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Title: Planning for next year.
Post by: Ian101 on December 20, 2010, 10:51:31 am
Been going proper about 6 months now however last 6 weeks has been the steepest learning curve so far !

Things I have learnt and will be implementing for next year include


Taking my 2 week holiday in Dec or Jan instead of peak working time

Putting a tenner a day to 1 side into a "winter not able to work fund"

I have about 40 8week customers and will be adjusting their timings so by end of year they will be cleaned in November so no worries about December (plan will only work if Jan not crap as well  ::))

Insulating the van with ply lining and foil bubble wrap so any warmth in their stays in there longer plus will help O.F.R. runnung costs

Dry lining garage / insulating and getting a rad or 2 fitted as flipping cold in their and seem to spend a lot of time in there these days messing with static and fixing / adjusting things on system.

Now got a full round so doing a "BFG" and culling PIA customers / jobs in December ready for Jan

Pricing new work higher and dropping / selling the lower priced stuff

Cant think of anything else but as always happy to tke advice from the forum  ;D
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: john stracey on December 20, 2010, 11:20:13 am
all sounds good to me
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on December 20, 2010, 12:55:44 pm
REALLY GOOD PLAN BUT STATISTICALLY WEATHER IS WORSE IN JAN THAN DECEMBER.  :)
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: gavin pedley on December 20, 2010, 01:08:00 pm
Good plans, my plans for next year are to get my round full as I am still not there yet. I will also be saving a winter fund, this has been my first winter and an interesting one! I also plan for my forum to be better than CIU.
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Alex Allen on December 20, 2010, 01:55:05 pm
Been going proper about 6 months now however last 6 weeks has been the steepest learning curve so far !

Things I have learnt and will be implementing for next year include


Taking my 2 week holiday in Dec or Jan instead of peak working time

Putting a tenner a day to 1 side into a "winter not able to work fund"

I have about 40 8week customers and will be adjusting their timings so by end of year they will be cleaned in November so no worries about December (plan will only work if Jan not crap as well  ::))

Insulating the van with ply lining and foil bubble wrap so any warmth in their stays in there longer plus will help O.F.R. runnung costs

Dry lining garage / insulating and getting a rad or 2 fitted as flipping cold in their and seem to spend a lot of time in there these days messing with static and fixing / adjusting things on system.

Now got a full round so doing a "BFG" and culling PIA customers / jobs in December ready for Jan

Pricing new work higher and dropping / selling the lower priced stuff

Cant think of anything else but as always happy to tke advice from the forum  ;D


yeah loads, lol
by what you posted here you havnt got a plan
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Ian101 on December 20, 2010, 03:57:44 pm
Been going proper about 6 months now however last 6 weeks has been the steepest learning curve so far !

Things I have learnt and will be implementing for next year include


Taking my 2 week holiday in Dec or Jan instead of peak working time

Putting a tenner a day to 1 side into a "winter not able to work fund"

I have about 40 8week customers and will be adjusting their timings so by end of year they will be cleaned in November so no worries about December (plan will only work if Jan not crap as well  ::))

Insulating the van with ply lining and foil bubble wrap so any warmth in their stays in there longer plus will help O.F.R. runnung costs

Dry lining garage / insulating and getting a rad or 2 fitted as flipping cold in their and seem to spend a lot of time in there these days messing with static and fixing / adjusting things on system.

Now got a full round so doing a "BFG" and culling PIA customers / jobs in December ready for Jan

Pricing new work higher and dropping / selling the lower priced stuff

Cant think of anything else but as always happy to tke advice from the forum  ;D


yeah loads, lol
by what you posted here you havnt got a plan


looks like a plan to me .............. confused by your comment  ??? please enlighten us
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: clearlyclean on December 20, 2010, 04:03:43 pm
I think the winter fund plan is good,I plan to expand one of my rounds in the new year, is that a plan?
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Ian101 on December 20, 2010, 04:13:12 pm
sounds like one ... looks like one so yup defo a plan i think ;)
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: dazmond on December 20, 2010, 05:04:30 pm
Been going proper about 6 months now however last 6 weeks has been the steepest learning curve so far !

Things I have learnt and will be implementing for next year include


Taking my 2 week holiday in Dec or Jan instead of peak working time

Putting a tenner a day to 1 side into a "winter not able to work fund"

I have about 40 8week customers and will be adjusting their timings so by end of year they will be cleaned in November so no worries about December (plan will only work if Jan not crap as well  ::))

Insulating the van with ply lining and foil bubble wrap so any warmth in their stays in there longer plus will help O.F.R. runnung costs

Dry lining garage / insulating and getting a rad or 2 fitted as flipping cold in their and seem to spend a lot of time in there these days messing with static and fixing / adjusting things on system.

Now got a full round so doing a "BFG" and culling PIA customers / jobs in December ready for Jan

Pricing new work higher and dropping / selling the lower priced stuff

Cant think of anything else but as always happy to tke advice from the forum  ;D

if i were you i wouldnt bother trying to take your hols in dec or trying to clean 8 weekly customers in november etc as things vary over the year.the best time to take a holiday is august i find as a lot of my custies are away and i find it easier to catch up when i get back as weather still ok in september normally.

the emergency fund is a must in this business so that is a good idea and work in the rain sometimes!

obviously taking a winter holiday as well as a summer one is a possibility once your starting to make half decent money!! ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: bobplum on December 20, 2010, 05:30:18 pm
Been going proper about 6 months now however last 6 weeks has been the steepest learning curve so far !

Things I have learnt and will be implementing for next year include


Taking my 2 week holiday in Dec or Jan instead of peak working time

Putting a tenner a day to 1 side into a "winter not able to work fund"

I have about 40 8week customers and will be adjusting their timings so by end of year they will be cleaned in November so no worries about December (plan will only work if Jan not crap as well  ::))

Insulating the van with ply lining and foil bubble wrap so any warmth in their stays in there longer plus will help O.F.R. runnung costs

Dry lining garage / insulating and getting a rad or 2 fitted as flipping cold in their and seem to spend a lot of time in there these days messing with static and fixing / adjusting things on system.

Now got a full round so doing a "BFG" and culling PIA customers / jobs in December ready for Jan

Pricing new work higher and dropping / selling the lower priced stuff

Cant think of anything else but as always happy to tke advice from the forum  ;D

have you thought of selling cars ;D ;D
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Matthew Bateman on December 20, 2010, 05:31:34 pm
Well, ............this is pretty much what I reckon; well, along these lines anyway.

There's NO WAY! you'll ever be able to plan at what this time next year you'll be cleaning any customers house. You can't plan from one week to the next in this job let alone from one year to the next.

'The best laid plans of mice and men.......'
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: dazmond on December 20, 2010, 06:27:18 pm
Well, ............this is pretty much what I reckon; well, along these lines anyway.

There's NO WAY! you'll ever be able to plan at what this time next year you'll be cleaning any customers house. You can't plan from one week to the next in this job let alone from one year to the next.

'The best laid plans of mice and men.......'

ditto!!matt!! ;D ;D

ive rejigged and reprinted a few invoices every day since friday afternoon!! ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Sean Dyer on December 20, 2010, 07:38:36 pm
over the next 2 years im changing my work so that my turnover for the year is done between 1 march and xmas, anything else is a bonus, im sick of winter , if i can finish on 24 decemeber till 1 march i will, i cant see why its not a goer, we get the odd storm through summer but im sure its not so much it cant be kept up/ caught up....

might try have a second business/ work for winter!! maybe im just getting too p'd off with this weather but its 2 years on the trot now and im sick of it!! lost about 1k so far with no sign of getting any real serious money earned anytime soon!! slush funds etc are ok but its still anoying that your working to fund winter, theres only so much you can earn and its not fun blowing it all sat around not working on bills
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Leeroy on December 20, 2010, 08:12:07 pm
over the next 2 years im changing my work so that my turnover for the year is done between 1 march and xmas, anything else is a bonus, im sick of winter , if i can finish on 24 decemeber till 1 march i will, i cant see why its not a goer, we get the odd storm through summer but im sure its not so much it cant be kept up/ caught up....

might try have a second business/ work for winter!! maybe im just getting too p'd off with this weather but its 2 years on the trot now and im sick of it!! lost about 1k so far with no sign of getting any real serious money earned anytime soon!! slush funds etc are ok but its still anoying that your working to fund winter, theres only so much you can earn and its not fun blowing it all sat around not working on bills

You cant be serious...

I can understand 2-3 weeks or more but to take of 2-3 months thats not business
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Dave Anderson on December 20, 2010, 08:32:22 pm
Sean...I can see where you're coming from...am in a bit of a pickle too....

Luckily I have planned my 4 weeks holiday and will be back and ready for work 24th Jan....December has been very poor indeed as was Jan - Feb...

I too am thinking about doing something else ...I too consider the year to be shortened...for me the working year is 20th(ish) Feb to December 1st...anything more is a bonus....

Dave.

Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: bobby p on December 20, 2010, 08:40:25 pm
how did u find your lad Ian?      im defo going to take on a lad in spring. of course ive heard of the grief that comes when employing but the other option is to slog on until my body goes twang !

  (a bit worried about how can i find a lad with "savvy" , with me being trad only )
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Clive McDonald on December 20, 2010, 08:59:08 pm
It's a sort of plan, a bit muddle headed.What's required is a strategy.

You can't plan for one hundred year events.The Yank tourists pontificating about being stuck at our airports on todays news bulletins - and this has happened twice in a year- and that we should review our procedures and plan better.Would perhaps do better to reflect on how they deal with hurricanes- they run, or wild fires- they burn down whole portions of residential housing with plenty of warning.And then of course there was the time the levee flooded and they were all stuck in that stadium in lousina and the president was making noises but not doing anything.

In other words it's not that easy.Sometimes you have to roll with the punches.
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Ian101 on December 20, 2010, 10:20:40 pm
Been going proper about 6 months now however last 6 weeks has been the steepest learning curve so far !

Things I have learnt and will be implementing for next year include


Taking my 2 week holiday in Dec or Jan instead of peak working time

Putting a tenner a day to 1 side into a "winter not able to work fund"

I have about 40 8week customers and will be adjusting their timings so by end of year they will be cleaned in November so no worries about December (plan will only work if Jan not crap as well  ::))

Insulating the van with ply lining and foil bubble wrap so any warmth in their stays in there longer plus will help O.F.R. runnung costs

Dry lining garage / insulating and getting a rad or 2 fitted as flipping cold in their and seem to spend a lot of time in there these days messing with static and fixing / adjusting things on system.

Now got a full round so doing a "BFG" and culling PIA customers / jobs in December ready for Jan

Pricing new work higher and dropping / selling the lower priced stuff

Cant think of anything else but as always happy to tke advice from the forum  ;D

have you thought of selling cars ;D ;D

thats beneath me now Im a window cleaner  ;)
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Ian101 on December 20, 2010, 10:22:25 pm
how did u find your lad Ian?      im defo going to take on a lad in spring. of course ive heard of the grief that comes when employing but the other option is to slog on until my body goes twang !

  (a bit worried about how can i find a lad with "savvy" , with me being trad only )

work experiance from local college ... the welsh government pays him 50 quid a week for 13 weeks then i can either have another 1 for 13 weeks or take this one on (think its a governemnt dodge to keep unemployment figures down ?? )
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Dave Anderson on December 21, 2010, 06:59:11 am
At the end of the day....you need a stash of cash put by 12 weeks seems like a reasonable amount...

As for planning time off...got to agree that planning the exact dates is not really possible but for us 4 weeks hols just after Christmas works just fine.

Work on the basis that winter will cause you problems and you can then prepare...I have read loads of people saying that they had various parts of their static systems freeze solid...to be honest this is all preventable.

Sometimes you just have to invest to protect your assets.

Cheers
Dave.

Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Mike #1 on December 21, 2010, 07:26:41 am
next year i will getting a made to measure shed fully insulating it putting  an electric point in , buying upright storage tank and using immersion element in there for hot water and buying submersible pump to fill containers on a morning rather than a night with freezing cold water and having them in the kitchen
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Dave Anderson on December 21, 2010, 08:08:07 am
I built a large cabinate for my gear plus a 2000litre tank and the water in the tank stays at around 7,5 deg without the need for additional heating.

I do have a 1000kw koi tank heater plus thermostat set at 7 deg in addition to that I have a 45watt boat style tube heater with a frost-stat which I keep at the moment set to 5 degs...

I made sure all connections were GEKA quick release and where it was needed ball valves fitted inline...so I can isolate most of the connections within the system.

Polystreen 2x 20mm sheets with double sided foiled bubble wrap seems to work, The whole frame is made of 2x2's....yes it cost a fair bit to build but it's
built and works.

I have also considered getting a bespoke tank made for the van which is double walled/insulated for me next van i.e next winter.

Cheers
Dave.

Cheers
Dave.
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Mike #1 on December 21, 2010, 10:59:08 am
nice build mate
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Dave Anderson on December 21, 2010, 11:31:00 am
Took this photo this morning of the local crew clearing the main local roads...they are both contracted by the local council to do this...one is a farmer and the other is from a local building company(big).

The guy with the tractor does all the local cycle paths too....

Just goes to show...only a little thought required.
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Sean Dyer on December 21, 2010, 01:00:39 pm
over the next 2 years im changing my work so that my turnover for the year is done between 1 march and xmas, anything else is a bonus, im sick of winter , if i can finish on 24 decemeber till 1 march i will, i cant see why its not a goer, we get the odd storm through summer but im sure its not so much it cant be kept up/ caught up....

might try have a second business/ work for winter!! maybe im just getting too p'd off with this weather but its 2 years on the trot now and im sick of it!! lost about 1k so far with no sign of getting any real serious money earned anytime soon!! slush funds etc are ok but its still anoying that your working to fund winter, theres only so much you can earn and its not fun blowing it all sat around not working on bills

You cant be serious...

I can understand 2-3 weeks or more but to take of 2-3 months thats not business

no id have some commercial and a bit of resi done all year round but im mainly talking about concentrating on earning what i need for the year between march and december , any extra is a bonus, but yeah between jan and feb id take my hols and do very little :-) im gonna need to work as normal for the next year to build more work , but the year after im gonna give it a go!! slaughter it through march to december then sit back and watch everyone moan about the winter they never expected :)
Title: Re: Planning for next year.
Post by: Dave Anderson on December 21, 2010, 06:02:02 pm
Not a bad way to handle it....if you are able to work in those winter months then happy days....but March to December is full on work....