Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: gavin pedley on December 18, 2010, 05:30:58 pm
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Are you using proper grit, normal salt or nothing after WFP?
What is the cheapest option and does it work ok?
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tubs of salt ive been using from the local co op.easy to carry one about with me when im working .i just sprinkle the doorways/pathways that i get wet.normally its the ones with a window directly above a doorway that i salt.
personally i think normal salt is better as theres not much to tread into the house like grit!!just looks like ant powder though when you put it down!! ;D ;D ;D
dazmond
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I'm using grit, but i always check with residential's that they want me to put it down, not everyone is a fan.
I find sourcing it from our local grit boxes is very economical ;)
Rob.
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Think i am going to get some normal salt see how it goes
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I get salt from cash and carry , i tell the custys i have put it down .
Not had one moan yet ::)
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Ye think i will get some as yet it has not been to bad here but have had a couple of know it alls in town telling me i should not be working because of the weather.
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Absoloutely nothing - WFP - why bother it doesnt make any difference.
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if it doesn't help then why are people using it?
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Absoloutely nothing - WFP - why bother it doesnt make any difference.
me too, whats the point bloody ice everywhere anyway
and I trad doors and doorways ,common sense really innit ? ::)
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I'm using grit, but i always check with residential's that they want me to put it down, not everyone is a fan.
I find sourcing it from our local grit boxes is very economical
Rob.
Yeh dead economical untill you get dun!!! ::)
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lol ye ::)
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I think people are worrying too much and wasting time and money throwing down salt and grit. By doing this you are more likely to draw attention to yourself if someone does slip over on there own property.
You could never be done anyway. With all the snow and ice on the ground how could it ever be proved that 'it was your ice' what a load of PC nonsense if you ask me.
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Maybe but when in town center doing shops I would say it is important.
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if you are doing shops and the snow is not a wagtail on ext better than WFP ????? Can see your point there if you are using WFP.
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Dishwasher salt from Lidl,.. cheap as chips & very effective.
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That's one I didn't think about
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to wfp shops is just plain lazy, ha call yerself window cleaners! ??? ::)
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The shops I do are not just two little pains each side of door so wfp is easier, why make work for your self?
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If you put a wagtail whirlwind 14" or 18" on extension pole with angle adaptor - you can wash / wipe at the same time without flipping. Has to be as quick as WFP ???
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Probably but hey, I have always wfp them so why change now. ::)
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PLAIN LAZY, mine are not just two little windows either side of a door either, shop owners dont want puddles of water under their windows or an ice rink in these conditions, if you had the right tools and techniques you could clean them far quicker than with a wfp, and you would'nt need to waste your time and money with salt or grit for that matter.
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The best thing for ice is gin and tonic.
Bombay Sapphire and Tanqueray are nice. I don`t really mind which tonic it is but Schweppes is good.
Or a brandy and Baileys this time of year ;).
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Dishwasher salt from Lidl,.. cheap as chips & very effective.
Good idea! I'll be off to lidl in the morning, got charged £9.00 for a bag of grit from a local hardware store!!
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i generally use frozen water.
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me too, whats the point bloody ice everywhere anyway
and I trad doors and doorways ,common sense really innit ? ::)
You could never be done anyway. With all the snow and ice on the ground how could it ever be proved that 'it was your ice' what a load of PC nonsense if you ask me.
Its called courtesy and consideration for others. Theres a risk because you have sprayed water on your customers property when the weather and ground conditions are sub-zero, you ought to do all you can in that case to ensure the safety of others.
Its not about if you can be proved to have been the cause, its about whether or not you are showing care and consideration for others. You'd be the first to moan if you were the victim of your own stupidity.
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Totally agree ::)
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i have got an email from the HSE regarding using WFP in these conditions but i dont know how to post it on here, if anyone wants a copy i can email it to them
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i have got an email from the HSE regarding using WFP in these conditions but i dont know how to post it on here, if anyone wants a copy i can email it to them
Yes please. info@avondhucleaning.com
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i have got an email from the HSE regarding using WFP in these conditions but i dont know how to post it on here, if anyone wants a copy i can email it to them
Yes please. info@avondhucleaning.com
email sent
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Id love a copy please!
voi-p@hotmail.co.uk
Manny thanks
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Thanks Trevor. :)
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Id love a copy please!
voi-p@hotmail.co.uk
Manny thanks
email sent
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Hi Trevor can you send me one please?
info@h2ose.co.uk
Thanks
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can somebody that has received the email cut and paste it on here to save trevor sending it out.
if not can I have a look trevor DELETED
thanks
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snowboard ::)
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Could someone please and copy and paste it on here or email me a copy please?
Thanks Matt.
info@oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk
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Here it is... hope you dont mind Trevor
Ref: OVAE-8BWLPM
Dear Mr Perry
Thank you for your enquiry regarding water fed poles.
There is nothing specific set down in HSE legislation in regards to using
water fed poles. As confirmed by our Working at Height policy team it would
be subject to the findings of the employers risk assessment.
Risk assessments are a legal requirement under the Management of Health and
Safety at Work Regulations 1999. Regulation 3 stipulates that:
Every employer shall make a suitable and sufficient assessment of -
(a) the risks to the health and safety of his employees to which they are
exposed whilst they are at work; and
(b) the risks to the health and safety of persons not in his employment
arising out of or in connection with the conduct by him of his undertaking.
The Approved Code of Practice goes on to say:
This regulation requires all employers and self-employed people to assess
the risks to workers and any others who may be affected by their work or
business. This will enable them to identify the measures they need to take
to comply with health and safety law. All employers should carry out a
systematic general examination of the effect of their undertaking, their
work activities and the condition of the premises. Those who employ five or
more employees should record the significant findings of that risk
assessment.
A risk assessment is carried out to identify the risks to health and safety
to any person arising out of, or in connection with, work or the conduct of
their undertaking. It should identify how the risks arise and how they
impact on those affected. This information is needed to make decisions on
how to manage those risks so that the decisions are made in an informed,
rational and structured manner, and the action taken is proportionate.
A risk assessment should usually involve identifying the hazards present in
any working environment or arising out of commercial activities and work
activities, and evaluating the extent of the risks involved, taking into
account existing precautions and their effectiveness. In this approved
code of practice:
(a) a hazard is something with the potential to cause harm (this can
include articles, substances, plant or machines, methods of work, the
working environment and other aspects of work organisation);
(b) a risk is the likelihood of potential harm from that hazard being
realised. The extent of the risk will depend on:
(i) the likelihood of that harm occurring;
(ii) the potential severity of that harm, i.e. of any resultant injury or
adverse health effect; and
(iii) the population which might be affected by the hazard, i.e. the number
of people who might be exposed.
Reference: L21: The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations
1999: Approved Code of Practice and Guidance, ISBN 9780717624881, £8.00.
This can be downloaded online at the following web address:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l21.pdf
The HSE also produce the following publication on risk assessment:
INDG163, Five Steps to risk assessments, single copies are free. This can
be accessed online at the following web address:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg163.pdf
In addition, the HSE have produced example risk assessments to view online.
The web address is as follows:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/index.htm
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Cheers Bud!
Common sense essentially. Check out the situation, assess it and respond accordingly.
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Its the standard non-committal H&S rubbish,.. lots of words that say absolutely nothing:
"Use your own common sense,.. but if your common sense somehow results in an accident we may well prosecute you"
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Its the standard non-committal H&S rubbish,.. lots of words that say absolutely nothing:
"Use your own common sense,.. but if your common sense somehow results in an accident we may well prosecute you"
thats exactly how a read it
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The Health & Safety bureaucrats cost our countries BILLIONS every year,.. and while they do a lot of good they're restricted by liability issues (They give bad advice, the public sues them) so I can see why their answers are so full of nothing,... but it is FRUSTRATING isn't it. ::)