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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Crystal-clear on December 17, 2010, 07:49:36 pm
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Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+
The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).
Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)
so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!
Hopefully ill get used to it.
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it will feel even better
when all the clamps come unstuck lol ;D ;D
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they r getting a bit lose and the pole is twisting a little bit but i just tightened them up seems ok at the mo but the base cap is loose , ill call them about that but im more concerned about the strange strain i am getting with a lighter pole ???
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Its the brush m8, i use the same one - supalite flocked - but it is because they have more resistance against the glass - but they do clean well.
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no m8 im just aving u at it
gud poles excellent brush the clamps r
crap though phone gardiners they will send u
sum glue out ;) ;)
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i have never used an extel, how goes the clx compare for rigidity? what brush did you use before?
I have a clx 27, i really like it, but my brother has the 22 which feels so much lighter, by the 27's extra length is very handy, i might go for a slx 25 next year as it weighs the same as the clx 22 but has the extra few foot reach
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1 month with it and brush head is always twisting loose, base cap has never stayed on and extended one section and it just came straight off the end!!
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It does feel ALOT better then the extel i just dont get why i get a bit strained cos it is lighter, as matt said it must be the brush i guess ill get used to it.
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Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+
The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).
Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)
so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!
Hopefully ill get used to it.
I reckon you are over compensating because you are used to the weight of the old pole & brush creating the pressure on the glass.
You have to re-train your brain ( & it doesn't feel natural to begin with) not to press so hard. Really, try it, hold the pole with a light grip & let the brush do the work, you don't have to squash it on to the glass. I went through the same thing when I first changed to superlite brushes from Vikans. ;)
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Any carbon/hybrid/glass pole is wearing through friction from day one. I find them better once the top coat has worn a bit, less resistance.
The gardiner lateral clamps are adjusted by finger & you are constantly opening & closing them all day. Nipping the odd clamp up on a daily basis is quite normal & not to be viewed as something wrong.
Once you get used to the lateral clamp I'm sure you'll not want to go back to conventional ones. ;)
I'm right handed & I position my clamps with the lever ends pointing upwards & on the left had side (viewed when pole is horizontal)
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Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+
The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).
Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)
so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!
Hopefully ill get used to it.
I reckon you are over compensating because you are used to the weight of the old pole & brush creating the pressure on the glass.
You have to re-train your brain ( & it doesn't feel natural to begin with) not to press so hard. Really, try it, hold the pole with a light grip & let the brush do the work, you don't have to squash it on to the glass. I went through the same thing when I first changed to superlite brushes from Vikans. ;)
Cheers i think this sounds right, but i seem to want to press the brush so the bristles become flat if you know what i mean?
It looks cool but im pressing like mad lol maybe i should stop this!
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Don't worry you will have a 2 day rest waiting for the clamp glue to arrive.
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Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+
The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).
Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)
so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!
Hopefully ill get used to it.
I reckon you are over compensating because you are used to the weight of the old pole & brush creating the pressure on the glass.
You have to re-train your brain ( & it doesn't feel natural to begin with) not to press so hard. Really, try it, hold the pole with a light grip & let the brush do the work, you don't have to squash it on to the glass. I went through the same thing when I first changed to superlite brushes from Vikans. ;)
Cheers i think this sounds right, but i seem to want to press the brush so the bristles become flat if you know what i mean?
It looks cool but im pressing like mad lol maybe i should stop this!
Yep, give it a go.
As for the clamp glue issue. Personally I've not had any problems but my glue is the 2 part epoxy resin that gardiners sell. I upgraded my original clamps on my slx for the new style ones. I suspect the factory glue might be different, I don't know but if I were you I would go to halfords or somewhere & just buy a tube of the said glue. It's a few quid but will save you any downtime in the event that you do have a clamp come unstuck. ;)
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not impressed with my clx head spins clamps broke its a shame really as if Ive said it once Ive said it a few times this pole could potentially be a world beater.
i have an slx and that is fantastic apart from the clamp i had to glue lol
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not impressed with my clx head spins clamps broke its a shame really as if Ive said it once Ive said it a few times this pole could potentially be a world beater.
i have an slx and that is fantastic apart from the clamp i had to glue lol
i know my quotes sound harsh. however the next pole i buy will be from the same company.
why? there's nothing out there on the market better, there's no company out there trying to improve the weight and price of poles.
in the end i believe the build quality will improve through trial and error, i will keep trailing them no problem.
the problems are easiley fixed maybe i should of reported them?
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yes suds u should m8
but do believe gardiners slx is the best on the market
iv worked wiv my m8s an can say
its the best pole for the money
;) ;) ;)
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its areal shame that pole is a let down , But one thing to bare in mind is the company who are manufacturing the poles must not be gluing them properly not gardiners unless gardiners are putting clamps in place , when i worked in factory making sofas you were supposed to glue and staple the frame together there was loads of times some lads but a tiny amount of glue on or not at all once things are in place and covered you cant check if the build has been done as it should be , I will be buying an clx next year though
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For the coin u can't knock the clx cheap cheerful decent pole however the slx is in a class of it's own and if u can afford it go for the slx maybe with a clx as a backup pole,I have both
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Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+
The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).
Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)
so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!
Hopefully ill get used to it.
the brush is no good, hard work
either put a vikan on, not recommending you do that now, but it is better than the superlight
the aerial brush is the king of window cleaning brushes
until you try it you will never know how much easier and quiker wfp is
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I use the clx 22, within the first week 3 clamps were off ( i have now had to re glue them all) the end cap needs re glueing and after 3 months heavy use 2 of the sections keep coming out to far and falling apart, would still say its a good pole for less that £150 delivered! i will be trying a larger slx next time just to compare.
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Ive been using a 17 foot extel for 1 year+
The Cl-X feels better and lighter but for some reason i dont know why i seem to be getting a little bit of muscle strain on my left upper arm (i am right handed).
Its strange cos i know the pole is lighter and better maybe i am pressing hard with the new brush The Super-Lite® Brush Dual-Trim Flocked 15 Degree (this brush i really like)
so the only thing i can think of is that cos its a new brush i might be pressing a bit to hard ,its strange cos i know the extel over 1 year has hammered my right elbow but it seems i have become used to the extels weight i or i dont know i am confused i was expecting the cl-x to be a piece of cake but it is not at the moment!
Hopefully ill get used to it.
the brush is no good, hard work
either put a vikan on, not recommending you do that now, but it is better than the superlight
the aerial brush is the king of window cleaning brushes
until you try it you will never know how much easier and quiker wfp is
Rubbish!
I have all the super-lite brushes & the one he's picked is superb. It's anything but hard work, infact IMO it's the easiest super-lite to work with.
Which of the super-lite brushes are YOU indeed talking about?
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do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?
i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean
all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p
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do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?
i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean
all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p
You're talking bollox Alex. It's obvious from your text.
I now agree with a few others that you are involved with Aerial. ::)
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crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes
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crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes
you're talking crap mate great products from gardiners totally agree with dave (suds ) bang on alex gardiner is try his absolute best to do the best for all of us as window cleaners to turn things around every thing has its probs but i cannot knock gardiners at all i have only bought and used their brushes if not for alex and co i would have a heavy mediocore brush to use i now use the best on the market , i will be buying an clx possibly an slx next year i have every confidence in GARDINER POLE SYSTEMS as a company to put everything right and tyo provide great customer service
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crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes
you're talking crap mate great products from gardiners totally agree with dave (suds ) bang on alex gardiner is try his absolute best to do the best for all of us as window cleaners to turn things around every thing has its probs but i cannot knock gardiners at all i have only bought and used their brushes if not for alex and co i would have a heavy mediocore brush to use i now use the best on the market , i will be buying an clx possibly an slx next year i have every confidence in GARDINER POLE SYSTEMS as a company to put everything right and tyo provide great customer service
not talking crap at all mate, afterall I bought one and that is what I think, is my opinion not valid ? this is a forum
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crap clamps, crap glue, crap hose, crap brushes
I've bought four CLX poles, through my recomendation another mate (local to me) has bought one. And i recomended them to another mate who runs a few vans with a team of guys, they've bought five of them. Without any hesitation they all think they are brilliant.
The clamps seem fine and i wouldn't describe them as crap.
True the glue does seem to be an issue with some.
The hose they supplied did seem to me on the stiff side, but it seems to have been replaced with a softer more supple hose.
Brushes are fine.
I'd go so far as to say they are the best and cheapest standard workhorse pole by a mile. I'm gonna get one of Jeff Brimbles in Jan and i'm looking forward to it. The rest don't even come close.
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ok, what I wrote may sound short and harsh so let me explain
Firstly I bought a clx 27 to fill the void between using a 18ft harris diy pole and my extel hybrid 40ft.
I've had it a couple of months and its used daily and has replaced my harris pole and the need to use the 40ft except for the occasions that the height warrants it , so thats great.
So far two clamps have come unstuck, no problem I bought epoxy resin and fixed them. Then the thread stripped from one of the barrel adjustment nuts, gardiners were good enough to send me some spares on request but that did mean 3 days without using the pole. Clamps seem to need adjustments and tinkering with daily else sections spin.
The brush seems to unscrew itself from the pole quite a lot and so I've fixed that with plumbers tape on the thread.
As others have said the end cap keeps falling off, fixed that too with some gaffa tape.
Now its really cold the hose is rubbish, is slow , annoying and pita to use, gets tangled on absolutely everything including itself, has to be without doubt the worst hose I have ever used, gardiners really needs to address this :(
Superlight brushes have imo superlight scrubbing power, vikan sill is king but maybe thats just a personal preferance.So many of you seem to think stick superlight in the title makes it the best, "it must be great coz it only weighs about the same as a stick of candy floss" half the weight but twice the price, its just a brush for goodnes sake and not a particlarly good one
i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean
all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p
Agree with that entirely !
My extel hybrid is now 3 years old, has it suffered any of these problems or needed much servicing in that time ? NO, clamps are great by far the most ergonomic and maintenance free I've ever used, never stripped a thread, never come unstuck, streamline lite 5 hose remains supple even in cold weather, far superior.
CLX is cheaper than similar length extel hybrid by quite a bit which is why I bought it but I can see why now, its a bit lighter too but at the cost of rigidity and durability. Gardiners customer service has never been in question, they go that extra mile that other supliers dont.
BUT I stand by what I say, crap brushes, crap hoses, crap clamps and crap glue because thats my experience, they are an innovative company, always pushing forward and so maybe Alex will read this and take it onboard. Its customer feedback afterall, negative maybe but constructive.
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ok, what I wrote may sound short and harsh so let me explain
Firstly I bought a clx 27 to fill the void between using a 18ft harris diy pole and my extel hybrid 40ft.
I've had it a couple of months and its used daily and has replaced my harris pole and the need to use the 40ft except for the occasions that the height warrants it , so thats great.
So far two clamps have come unstuck, no problem I bought epoxy resin and fixed them. Then the thread stripped from one of the barrel adjustment nuts, gardiners were good enough to send me some spares on request but that did mean 3 days without using the pole. Clamps seem to need adjustments and tinkering with daily else sections spin.
The brush seems to unscrew itself from the pole quite a lot and so I've fixed that with plumbers tape on the thread.
As others have said the end cap keeps falling off, fixed that too with some gaffa tape.
Now its really cold the hose is rubbish, is slow , annoying and pita to use, gets tangled on absolutely everything including itself, has to be without doubt the worst hose I have ever used, gardiners really needs to address this :(
Superlight brushes have imo superlight scrubbing power, vikan sill is king but maybe thats just a personal preferance.
My extel hybrid is now 3 years old, has it suffered any of these problems or needed much servicing in that time ? NO, clamps are great by far the most ergonomic and maintenance free I've ever used, never stripped a thread, never come unstuck, streamline lite 5 hose remains supple even in cold weather, far superior.
CLX is cheaper than similar length extel hybrid by quite a bit which is why I bought it but I can see why now, its a bit lighter too but at the cost of rigidity and durability. Gardiners customer service has never been in question, they go that extra mile that other supliers dont.
BUT I stand by what I say, crap brushes, crap hoses, crap clamps and crap glue because thats my experience, they are an innovative company, always pushing forward and so maybe Alex will read this and take it onboard. Its customer feedback afterall, negative maybe but constructive.
So which, of the wide choice of brush is crap?
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What, so I'm supposed to buy one of each to find out am I ?
I've had a flocked single and a dual mono, one of them even broke, both were crap in my opinion, your opinion maybe different and thats absolutely fine.
I now use a vikan sill, red bristles and black stock, far superior to anything else of I've used but thats just my opinion :D
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What, so I'm supposed to buy one of each to find out am I ?
I've had a flocked single and a dual mono, one of them even broke, both were crap in my opinion, your opinion maybe different and thats absolutely fine.
I now use a vikan sill, red bristles and black stock, far superior to anything else of I've used but thats just my opinion :D
Yes, we have VERY different opinions on what a good brush is!
VIKAN SILL :o :o and you want to be taken seriously? ;D ;D
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What, so I'm supposed to buy one of each to find out am I ?
I've had a flocked single and a dual mono, one of them even broke, both were crap in my opinion, your opinion maybe different and thats absolutely fine.
I now use a vikan sill, red bristles and black stock, far superior to anything else of I've used but thats just my opinion :D
Yes, we have VERY different opinions on what a good brush is!
VIKAN SILL :o :o and you want to be taken seriously? ;D ;D
No , what you think does'nt even bother me
but what I do take seriously is what I spend my money on, not how many brushes I own or which company I endorse ;D cheesey smile
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I think gardiners are a great company i have a 22ft CLX a 30ft SLX and a superlite all great poles but I would definately agree I dont particuarly like the hose.
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I think gardiners are a great company i have a 22ft CLX a 30ft SLX and a superlite all great poles but I would definately agree I dont particuarly like the hose.
its a niggle, easily replaced for something better but why should we when we've spent enough money ? maybe this winter has shown a weakness and gardiners will upgrade future stock with an "all season " hose
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hope so that would be good.
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slx is the dogs m8 ;D ;D
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as for the hose change it, No matter which pole i have bought i always have a coil of streamline lite-5 pole hose so i can fit it to the new pole i wont use any other pole hose you can buy it from varitech , as for xtel hybrid pole SPE you have been lucky i had to chuck mine after 12 months sections worn beyond use and got sick of changing clamps , Also as for gardiners brushes i used them for over 2 yrs now find them better than vikan brushes bristles to soft to shift bird muck IMO , when you order any pole try and get them without pole hose and get them to knock something off the price
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Streamline lite 5 hose?
Anyone else sell this? I have gone from Gardiners yellow to Wintecs black and neither work in the cold weather.
I have all Gardiners kit and have issues with wear on the expensive carbon products. Seems to be a fact of life - two tubes rubbing inside each other are bound to wear. Clamps coming unstuck might be due to collapsing the pole too fast - most glues will break apart on impact.
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do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?
i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean
all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p
You're talking bollox Alex. It's obvious from your text.
I now agree with a few others that you are involved with Aerial. ::)
thats not a nice thing to say winproclean
nothing to do with aerail i use the brush, thats it
im not telling you or any one to buy it, am i
the superlite is a cheap brush the aerial isnt thats a fair comment
ive tried then both, they both clean
but the aerial brush is far superior in everyway
personally i dont think you can compare the two brushes
the aerial brush is a window cleaning brush the superlite isnt (imo)
no hard feelings mate, have a nice christmas :)
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do you mean best super lite of a bad bunch?
i've tried a couple of super lites
both had no splay and the stock looled like it was made from recycled plastic
compare to a vikan, quality the super lite is a tatty brush that takes longer to clean
all hot air, fancy name and marketing to sells that for £35.00 nothing else
anyone can tell as soon as you see it it made in china
for about £0.50p - £1.50p
You're talking bollox Alex. It's obvious from your text.
I now agree with a few others that you are involved with Aerial. ::)
thats not a nice thing to say winproclean
nothing to do with aerail i use the brush, thats it
im not telling you or any one to buy it, am i
the superlite is a cheap brush the aerial isnt thats a fair commentive tried then both, they both clean
but the aerial brush is far superior in everyway
personally i dont think you can compare the two brushes
the aerial brush is a window cleaning brush the superlite isnt (imo)
no hard feelings mate, have a nice christmas :)
The super lites are more expensive to manufacture than both Vikan & Pro-window brushes- That's a fact which I know!
And, you are indeed telling people to buy Aerial brushes, many times over ???
The SL brushes are NOT cheap, they are designed specifically for a purpose- to be light & effective.
I would try the Aerial brush if it didn't look so ridiculously over the top with extreme splay. If they made a version with less splay I might be tempted.
Merry xmas ;)
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we will have to agree to differ
the splay is what makes the aerial brush so fast mate
have a good one
alex ;)