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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Rogue Trader on December 16, 2010, 08:48:51 pm
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
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mad mad mad
give them a call tommo and say you have a different wc job vacancy which complies with all regs.
or put an ad in your local paper
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got told by a bloke who works at the dole, whos windows i do, that you can no longer ask them if they have any days sick or illnesses, soon you wont be able to ask age, sex, as this can be classed as discrimination
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Put a wanted ad on your local gumtree for your exact criteria and trust me you will get at least 50 people apply for the jobs via e-mail - so you don't even have to speak to them all, you can then pick and choose which ones you want to interview. ;D
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got told by a bloke who works at the dole, whos windows i do, that you can no longer ask them if they have any days sick or illnesses, soon you wont be able to ask age, sex, as this can be classed as discrimination
you cant ask age now on first interview as could discriminate against it, it cant even be put on application form, sometimes wonder wheather its just best as a one man band, the way i see it, with so many obstacles and red tape you either need to be one man band or a loads of employees, any inbetween and its hard to keep up with changing regulations, i bet there are lots of companies not complying with regs purley cause they cant keep up with them.
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i thought it was best to employ, but after last few days am going to stick on my own to many muppets
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
a "genuine and reputable company" and yet you lied about the insurance! ??? ???
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Use local paper rather than Gumtree...
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
a "genuine and reputable company" and yet you lied about the insurance! ??? ???
what lie?
i think he was quite right to determine for himself the age restrictions for the people who will be driving his vans, maybe he was not aware of the regulations and the wording on his policy?
even if he was i think anyone should have the right to determine who is going to drive their vans, after all its his van and his business.
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when i lived up north the was a bloke going around blackburn and that area, pretending to have learning diff asking for jobs, when they said no and didnt give him a application form he then sued them for discrimination, as his lawyers argued they wouldnt give him a application form as he had learn diff and any one else would of got on,
apprently even if you have no jobs you have to give an application form out
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i thought it was best to employ, but after last few days am going to stick on my own to many muppets
A conclusion I came to a long time ago
Question How come you never see jobs advertised for a lot of Council jobs, like the staff who work in Jobcentres and like?
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i thought it was best to employ, but after last few days am going to stick on my own to many muppets
A conclusion I came to a long time ago
Question How come you never see jobs advertised for a lot of Council jobs, like the staff who work in Jobcentres and like?
becasue to get one, u either need to a university muppet with no life experience, or disabled, i got told becasue i had a back injury i am guaranteed a job interview with the dole if i applied, as they have to give interviews to people who might not get main stream employment
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
a "genuine and reputable company" and yet you lied about the insurance! ??? ???
did somebody mention muppets?
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Kermit was my favourite.
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A mate of mine who was made redundant from the airport has been trying to get a job on the council for over two years. He's not fussy what he does, dust anything.
Yet when I am out cleaning windows and the dustcarts come round the dustmen are all really young Eastern European lads rabbiting away in their own language.
In the council offices its rare to see a white face among the staff. Its quite a high immigrant area but not that high. It looks to me like its not a level playing field anymore.
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a "genuine and reputable company" and yet you lied about the insurance! ??? ???
Read the original post. Where did he tell a lie?
Vin
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a "genuine and reputable company" and yet you lied about the insurance! ??? ???
Read the original post. Where did he tell a lie?
Vin
he said they have to be over 25 as his insurance said so and they never
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i am no lawyer, but even i can see that he never directly stated that his insurance stipultes that, he simply stated that he wants to pay less for his premiums, and he has every right to do so. 8)
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
I thought you already had a 2 man person team lined up for this. Did that bit fall through in the end or are these two additional cleaners?
I hope that by mentioning "two" I'm not guilty of discriminating against odd numbers.
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he said they have to be over 25 as his insurance said so and they never
I don't know what post you're reading; he didn't say that. Show me the words where he even implied that his insurers said they had to be over 25.
Vin
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
I thought you already had a 2 man person team lined up for this. Did that bit fall through in the end or are these two additional cleaners?
I hope that by mentioning "two" I'm not guilty of discriminating against odd numbers.
They turned up on monday morning and then drove off again.... maybe it was something i said?! So it is a low odd number of window cleaning persons that i might or might not need
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Id stay away from job centre anyway! get idiots from them most of the time
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age shouldnt be an issue, I started most of my guys at average 18 years old. If it costs a few more quid to employ someone by way of insurance, so be it.
I would never let the age get in the way, first and foremost, I look at the character of the person everything else is secondry
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I need 2 window cleaners to service a new round i have bought so i contacted the job center and stated that i need them to be over 25 with a clean license (for reasonable van insurance). They said that unless my insurance document states this (which is doesnt as i dont have fleet insurance as i insure each van with the window cleaner as a named driver) then that is classed as discrimination. I said ok take that out of the advert then , they said no we cant do that as because you have said this to me now and these calls are recorded you cannot advertise these vancies at the job center!!!!! It beggars belief that with unemployment as high as it is and as a genuinue and reputible company that requires 2 staff on a full time basis that the job center refuses to advertise my vacancies over this ...... i think this country has gone mad .... i cannot belive that this mindless beuracracy is getting in the way of 2 worthy and unemployed individuals getting a decent job with long term prospects :( >:( ???
I thought you already had a 2 man person team lined up for this. Did that bit fall through in the end or are these two additional cleaners?
I hope that by mentioning "two" I'm not guilty of discriminating against odd numbers.
They turned up on monday morning and then drove off again.... maybe it was something i said?! So it is a low odd number of window cleaning persons that i might or might not need
Blimey. That's a drag. Sounds pretty unreliable. Did you contact them and ask why?
I take it you've got a lot to get through and insufficient labour to do it at the moment? Mind you, at least the weather has provided some excuse while you are sorting it out. Maybe spend a bit and mailshot (or phone) all the new customers as the circumstances are exceptional? Normally I wouldn't be an advocate of that but as they are being moved to a new service provider, it could pay you to do this in the mid to longer term.
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I put in a vacancy a while back and had to laugh , i said that the applicant must be able bodied and physically fit , they said we cant put that in sir , so if they sent me a one armed chronic astmatic would i have to take them on .......... ;D
I am now the same as blue monkey now , one man band , the government really are useless .
Rich
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age shouldnt be an issue, I started most of my guys at average 18 years old. If it costs a few more quid to employ someone by way of insurance, so be it.
I would never let the age get in the way, first and foremost, I look at the character of the person everything else is secondry
I have a young man as and he drives around all day with his foot on the floor (costing me a lot of fuel) and scrapes / crashes / dents the van at least 3/4 times a year. Is this not the case with you Dave?
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if e dented my van id dent his chin m8 ;D
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This story is absolutely laughable.
I remember reading about a case where the job centre wouldnt put an advert that said "reliable person wanted" because it was discriminating against people who werent reliable!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7079231/Advert-for-reliable-workers-banned-as-discrimination-by-Jobcentre-Plus.html
Its just insane, and we have the idiot labour government to thank for it all.
If I were you I'd put an email to the local newspaper, telling them about it. Wont change anything, but might as well embarrass them a bit for being so totally stupid.
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A year or two ago a profoundly deaf woman was given a job in a call centre, as it would have discriminated against her had they not. Stupid madness - rule brittania :'(
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age shouldnt be an issue, I started most of my guys at average 18 years old. If it costs a few more quid to employ someone by way of insurance, so be it.
I would never let the age get in the way, first and foremost, I look at the character of the person everything else is secondry
I have a young man as and he drives around all day with his foot on the floor (costing me a lot of fuel) and scrapes / crashes / dents the van at least 3/4 times a year. Is this not the case with you Dave?
Yes been there, got the t shirt, but they work hard and earn me lots of dosh, always look at the big picture
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This is a joke. The most annoying part is that this guy is offering two genuine jobs and instead because of bull**** red tape this is two more lots of unemployment benefit that have to be paid for.
Madness.