Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cannon on December 13, 2010, 07:03:36 pm
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Been to look at a leather suite tonight where red dye from cushions has transfered onto the suite. Ill try and upload pics though they arnt very clear.
The cushions were from sainsburys and it was sainsburys who contacted me to take a look.
Im not sure what to do, try a test clean on an area and see if i get a transfer or just hand job over to a leather repairer.
Do you think this job is cleaning one or a restoration.
Obviously the woman whose suite it is wont be happy with partial removal she wants it back to how it was and sainsburys want a happy customer.
How do i upload pics? ???
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RIGHT TIN HAT POST INCOMMING ;D I have removed stains from leather with microsplitters but you cant use microsplitters on leather as you dont know what damage you could cause.
Even though STPP is used in the tanning progress when producing leather :-\ :o
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How do i upload pics?
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The problem of dye transfer is a major one on pale coloured leathers. The further the dye has travelled into the finish the harder it will be to remove.
The process for removal is as follows:
Maxi Cleaner - if this removes it then it is a simple cleaning problem
Alcohol Cleaner - this is the strongest thing you can use before this becomes a restoration problem
Do not proceed past this step if you do not know about recolouring/refinishing.
Remover 1 - use gently and keep your cloth very wet - check your cloth for removal of the dye
If these steps do not remove the dye it means that the dye has travelled too far into the finish to be fully removed and recolouring/refinishing will be necessary.
It is important to remove as much of the dye as you can before you refinish otherwise the colour may wick through the new coating.
Hope this helps
Ring me if you need further advice.
Cheers
Judy
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www.leatherclinic.co.uk/subcategory.asp?category=Ink-And-Dye-Transfer
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www.furnitureclinic.co.uk/LeatherStainRemover.htm
If I remember correctly it's Isopropyl alcohol
PS beat me to it!
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Thanks Len
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I had one of those, very large marks. I cleaned with FC cleaner. Nowt.
Leather prep and respray, 3 coats after a base coat.
Red still showed through. I was well ped off.
In my case I should have taken the leather right back.
So, I totally got that one wrong.
Rab
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This is a typical example of dye transfer but froma picture you cannot tell how hard it will be to remove. In some cases dye transfer can be removed with a simple cleaner like Lazy Leather but on other occassions you have to go down the whole refinishing route.
The difficulty is that there are so many dyes on the market (some more aggressive than others) combined with an equal number of leather finishes and no one can tell you which combination you have. This is why it is important to treat it as a process starting with the mildest product and working your way up to the stronger ones - this also means you can stop at any stage if the results are good.
Using a leather protector that works is critical on pale coloured leathers to help inhibit this problem. Customers are very rarely told about this at point of sale so you can have an add on sale by giving your customer some good leather care advice and products when you have finsihed the job.
3 coats after a base coat.
Red still showed through.
It is vitally important to remove as much of the dye transfer as possible before the recolouring process - 3 coats and a base coat seems like an awful lot of product to apply.
There is no magic solution to this problem nor one product that will always work as each individual job is different and has to be assessed in its own right
Hope this helps
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We've done two different sofas like this recently, (cheap red cushions must be all the thing at the moment)
both wouldnt come out with a clean had to be re spray job, and the red was definitley hard to cover, probably better to strip the red colour right back first, as it does tend to grin through a bit even after 3 of 4 coats.
Regards
Steve
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My expertise is limited to bog standard cleaning, well untill after the new year when i get myself on some more advanced training.
This is why i was thinking of passing it on to someone.
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http://www.leathercleaningnewcastle.co.uk/
Shaun
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Already had him in mind shaun, think ill call the woman at sainsburys tomorow i cleaned her carpets a couple of weeks ago, and explain theres more to it than a straight forward clean. She already knew this was probably the case, then either put her in touch with him or vice versa.
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The cushions were from sainsburys and it was sainsburys who contacted me to take a look.
Well I know where I'm off to tomorrow to drop off some business cards ;D
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Already had him in mind shaun, think ill call the woman at sainsburys tomorow i cleaned her carpets a couple of weeks ago, and explain theres more to it than a straight forward clean. She already knew this was probably the case, then either put her in touch with him or vice versa.
If you like it – a straight forward clean…then contact Ian Hare at www.ianhare.com of Staffordshire.
“Very pleased with Prep 7.7 removes dye and ink and grease far more quickly and easily and safely than alcohol and or alkaline agents”.
Action speaks louder than words - Now he buys this Prep-7.7 by the gallon!
Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com
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My expertise is limited to bog standard cleaning, well untill after the new year when i get myself on some more advanced training.
This is why i was thinking of passing it on to someone.
Give me a ring and I'll sort it for you did one last month exactly the same but they were Marks and Spencers cushions
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removes dye and ink and grease far more quickly and easily and safely than alcohol and or alkaline agents”.
Any leather products are only 'leather safe' when the correct assessment of the type of leather has been done - even water has the potential to do damage to some finishes as we see all the time.
There is no simple solution that will treat all cases of any problem simply because all leather finishes are different and the wear and treatment they have had by the individual customer varies.
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If you like it – a straight forward clean…then contact Ian Hare at www.ianhare.com of Staffordshire.
“Very pleased with Prep 7.7 removes dye and ink and grease far more quickly and easily and safely than alcohol and or alkaline agents”.
Action speaks louder than words - Now he buys this Prep-7.7 by the gallon!
Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com
His reply to my email...
"As this is about 150miles away, no."
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Already had him in mind shaun, think ill call the woman at sainsburys tomorow i cleaned her carpets a couple of weeks ago, and explain theres more to it than a straight forward clean. She already knew this was probably the case, then either put her in touch with him or vice versa.
Cheers for that going to take a look on Monday
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Have a look!
How dye stains from this Rolls Royce Phantom were removed - simply with Prep-7.7...
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR1-14.jpg)
Dyes stains from leather belts…
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR2-14.jpg)
Close-up of the stains…
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR3-14.jpg)
View of stains from another angle…
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR4-14.jpg)
Prep-7.7 is applied with a foam brush…
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR5-14.jpg)
It’s thick and sticky…
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR6-14.jpg)
These pictures show after the sticky residue is clean up with a leather-safe pH 3.8 cleaner and a pH 3.0 rinse.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR9-14-1.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR9-14-1.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR10-14-1.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR11-14-1.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR12-14.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR13-14.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/RR14-14.jpg)
These dye stains transfer from leather belt were simply removed only with Prep-7.7, follows by a clean-up using Cleaner-3.8 > Rinse-3.0.
Email me if you like to see more details…done by David Fermani from the USA.
Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com