Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Gilroy on December 10, 2010, 06:30:42 pm
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Is this a realistic amount of customers to aim for on a 6 week clean between 2 men.
This gives us 133 each to do in a week with a labourer each to foot the ladder. Obviously WFP will be prefered in the end. That works out at about 3 per hour on an average 3 bed house.
This is what we want to aim for.
Are there many out there operating with a large customer base and taking it to the next level.
I know many might say it seems a load fo b******s but you have got to aim for something and we are grafters.
I am putting together a business plan and at the moment while its freezing cold looking at the way forward. We will deliver 100,000 thousand leaflets if we have to and knock on every door.
Any advice please other than wake up and get real.
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why 1600? its not really about the number of jobs its the Value of each one
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How many customers have you got now Lee, and how did you get them.
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Lee, forget the footing of the ladder get someone to wfp on the tops and the other trad bottoms no point having someone footing ladders all day!
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thats way more than 2 people need mate
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Cheers for the replies it took about 10mins for the Pc to stop freezing.
I based it on an average of £10 per house. It will vary I know I have one customer who is £45 and its all patios doors all round. Takes about hour and half.
I want in new year to pack in the job I am doing as i am self employed and sick of construction and customers going bust or not paying.
If a customer does not pay in Window Cleaning its £10 but in Construction it can be £5k.
At moment I have about 30 customers and it took about a week to get them with about 3,000 leaflets. So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
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thats way more than 2 people need mate
Cheers Lee, how many would you say for 2 guys is possible
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Cheers for the replies it took about 10mins for the Pc to stop freezing.
I based it on an average of £10 per house. It will vary I know I have one customer who is £45 and its all patios doors all round. Takes about hour and half.
I want in new year to pack in the job I am doing as i am self employed and sick of construction and customers going bust or not paying.
If a customer does not pay in Window Cleaning its £10 but in Construction it can be £5k.
At moment I have about 30 customers and it took about a week to get them with about 3,000 leaflets. So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
Could you explain your website ???
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Just concentrate on getting decent prices, easy access, good loyal customers. Forget picking up work cheap just to get the numbers as 6 months later you'll despise cleaning them.
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Cheers for the replies it took about 10mins for the Pc to stop freezing.
I based it on an average of £10 per house. It will vary I know I have one customer who is £45 and its all patios doors all round. Takes about hour and half.
I want in new year to pack in the job I am doing as i am self employed and sick of construction and customers going bust or not paying.
If a customer does not pay in Window Cleaning its £10 but in Construction it can be £5k.
At moment I have about 30 customers and it took about a week to get them with about 3,000 leaflets. So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
Could you explain your website ???
What would you like me to explain about it ?
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why would you call yourself PIRANHA CLEANING SERVICES?he s having a laugh surely..........he s a dreamer!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I throw my trowel away about 3 years ago for the same reasons,if you only have 30 customers might be best to build up on your own being having to share out the work with others,My customers chose me because I am on my on and just get on with job, 4 blokes turning to clean a house can be a bit intimidating and you could end up with a large wage bill before you have collected the money.Try getting 100 customers a week before taking staff on but I would recommend going WFP as no chance of falling off ladders and what you going to pay someone to foot a ladder £40 a day? boring and low paid you could get a ladder stop for that and they dont anser back ;D
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I throw my trowel away about 3 years ago for the same reasons,if you only have 30 customers might be best to build up on your own being having to share out the work with others,My customers chose me because I am on my on and just get on with job, 4 blokes turning to clean a house can be a bit intimidating and you could end up with a large wage bill before you have collected the money.Try getting 100 customers a week before taking staff on but I would recommend going WFP as no chance of falling off ladders and what you going to pay someone to foot a ladder £40 a day? boring and low paid you could get a ladder stop for that and they dont anser back ;D
Thanks some good advice there.
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Could you explain your website ???
I know people big themselves up, but don't you think your website is slightly over doing it?
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not being funny, for a bloke who only has 30 custy u have spent a lot of money joining all the organisations at the bottom of ur page
these i mean
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why would you call yourself PIRANHA CLEANING SERVICES?he s having a laugh surely..........he s a dreamer!!! ;D ;D ;D
Why would you call yourself D+B Cleaning something.....!!!! ::)
Not really much imagination in you I suppose. Dont tell me its Dave & Bob window cleaning.
Constructive Criticism is fine but just insulting an idea is pointless. I have sacked hundreds like you over the years putting down anothers idea because you think its fun.
I thought this forum was for window cleaners to give eachother good advice.
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Cheers for the replies it took about 10mins for the Pc to stop freezing.
I based it on an average of £10 per house. It will vary I know I have one customer who is £45 and its all patios doors all round. Takes about hour and half.
I want in new year to pack in the job I am doing as i am self employed and sick of construction and customers going bust or not paying.
If a customer does not pay in Window Cleaning its £10 but in Construction it can be £5k.
At moment I have about 30 customers and it took about a week to get them with about 3,000 leaflets. So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
Could you explain your website ???
What would you like me to explain about it ?
Everything please ???
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Could you explain your website ???
I know people big themselves up, but don't you think your website is slightly over doing it?
I am pricing WFP work for Local Govenment Schools, etc so better to put a web site together for free than send them fAg packet with a price on it
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
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Cheers for the replies it took about 10mins for the Pc to stop freezing.
I based it on an average of £10 per house. It will vary I know I have one customer who is £45 and its all patios doors all round. Takes about hour and half.
I want in new year to pack in the job I am doing as i am self employed and sick of construction and customers going bust or not paying.
Nothing for me to explain to you...If you dont like it "Jog On"
If you cant read its not for me to teach you.
So whatever your problem is with my website I suggest dont look at it if its too difficult to understand.
If a customer does not pay in Window Cleaning its £10 but in Construction it can be £5k.
At moment I have about 30 customers and it took about a week to get them with about 3,000 leaflets. So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
Could you explain your website ???
What would you like me to explain about it ?
Everything please ???
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i just think PIRANHA CLEANING SERVICES is laughable!would i have you cleaning my windows?i think not!! blatantly lying saying you have many years experience when you have hardly any you ll soon get found out cos you ll do a crap job! ;D ;D ;D
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
Thanks....I am taking it slowly and there is no rush. Building up customers as I can keeping the areas tight. But to get myself some finance for a WFP and Van I need to give them an idea of what I forcast to do evn if I cant reach it. If I tell the bank I will be aiming for 40 customers a week they wont be that good at handing over cash
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I have sacked hundreds like you over the years putting down anothers idea because you think its fun.
Crikey. Hundreds?
Vin
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thats way more than 2 people need mate
Cheers Lee, how many would you say for 2 guys is possible
Well if you're new to the game about 10% of what you are dreaming of.
You'll be lucky to do £15.00 an hour traditional when you first start if you do it conscientiously.
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i just think PIRANHA CLEANING SERVICES is laughable!would i have you cleaning my windows?i think not!! blatantly lying saying you have many years experience when you have hardly any you ll soon get found out cos you ll do a crap job! ;D ;D ;D
When you first started out did you tell all your customers you had only been doing it a year ? Would I have Dave & Bob clean my windows I doubt it as your prob down the pub on your blackberry sending me messages and moaning how no one likes you
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forget the name as it is irrelevant, it doesnt matter what u r call,
dont bother leafleting, knock instead much better forget about working with some one, work on own till u have 400 custys,
r u a member of them organisations, if not remove them from website as it will cause you nothing but problems,
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I have sacked hundreds like you over the years putting down anothers idea because you think its fun.
Crikey. Hundreds?
Vin
Yes.....was running a business for about 20 years
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
Thanks....I am taking it slowly and there is no rush. Building up customers as I can keeping the areas tight. But to get myself some finance for a WFP and Van I need to give them an idea of what I forcast to do evn if I cant reach it. If I tell the bank I will be aiming for 40 customers a week they wont be that good at handing over cash
I'm not knocking you but consider two things.
You'll be lucky to obtain finance for what you want, especially if your previous company had issues.
You can not deliver what you advertise & it could take some time to do so.
I understand that you can't have a website which informs of your real situation but you say there is no rush? Punting for government schools etc. what are you going to do when REAL situations arise?
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I have sacked hundreds like you over the years putting down anothers idea because you think its fun.
Crikey. Hundreds?
Vin
Yes.....was running a business for about 20 years
Hundreds: plural of hundred, so more than 200 people.
You sacked more than ten people a year for putting down ideas for fun? Bet the tribunal cases ran into the hundreds as well.
Vin
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lee i dont drink or own a blackberry! ;D ;Dim only winding you up pal!!good luck!ive been going 17 years and doing better than ever!drop the high and mighty ideas for now and just leaflet and canvass and dont even think about employing until you ve got a good solid customer base!!
this business is one of the easiest to run and as you ve had 20 years experience in business you should do ok given time and hard work.
best wishes
dazmond
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
Thanks....I am taking it slowly and there is no rush. Building up customers as I can keeping the areas tight. But to get myself some finance for a WFP and Van I need to give them an idea of what I forcast to do evn if I cant reach it. If I tell the bank I will be aiming for 40 customers a week they wont be that good at handing over cash
I'm not knocking you but consider two things.
You'll be lucky to obtain finance for what you want, especially if your previous company had issues.
You can not deliver what you advertise & it could take some time to do so.
I understand that you can't have a website which informs of your real situation but you say there is no rush? Punting for government schools etc. what are you going to do when REAL situations arise?
I think the real situation will be when someone asks me to clean their windows I will say YES and clean them
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
Thanks....I am taking it slowly and there is no rush. Building up customers as I can keeping the areas tight. But to get myself some finance for a WFP and Van I need to give them an idea of what I forcast to do evn if I cant reach it. If I tell the bank I will be aiming for 40 customers a week they wont be that good at handing over cash
I'm not knocking you but consider two things.
You'll be lucky to obtain finance for what you want, especially if your previous company had issues.
You can not deliver what you advertise & it could take some time to do so.
I understand that you can't have a website which informs of your real situation but you say there is no rush? Punting for government schools etc. what are you going to do when REAL situations arise?
I think the real situation will be when someone asks me to clean their windows I will say YES and clean them
Can you come & do 6 schools next week, 60ft reach on two of them, other four only 50ft, NO ladders can be used on site for window cleaning. Can you also bring evidence of the associations you advertise as a member?
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Also, we will require evidence of staff training & experience.
Regards
Trading standards office ;D (joke)
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Do you really belong to the associations that you have on your website? I'm only asking as you advertise Ionics, yet you have already stated that you don't use wfp yet.
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Oh, and are you really using our equipment?
Yours lovingly,
Ionics legal department, owners and protectors of the Reach and Wash trademark.
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Imagine you get some "issues" whilst working at a school etc - if they refer to your website claims & professional memberships, i think you could find yourself in trouble.
Building up a good customer base is hard work, more so this time of year & when starting up, you are often spending more than you are earning.
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My mate uses his first name and he gets loads of quality jobs,But how can you advertise Reach and splash when you don't own any WFP gear didn't think they like you using their logos without permission,But it looks like a nice website and wish you all the best in you new business
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Got to say theres nothing wrong with abit of ambition and all that but 1600 custies is a long long way down the line, you should be thinking more 2-300 to start, the more you canvass the more you will realise that not every area produces a custy, ive been building a round for the last 8month or so and think ive done pretty well at 140 new customers in that amount of time and im sure people will agree thats a healthy growth rate when building a round so realistically how long will 1600 take??
If you havent joined the guilds/associations or invested in the products your advertising its a insult to the people that have!!!!
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I am really scared now !!!!
Ionics Reach and Wash came to see me to show me their equipment.
They have given me prices for all types.
I am looking to get finance for the equipment instead of using my van and ladder.
They said it was ok to use the logo's as they own them all and it also is advertising for them.
So legal dept Lol ::) Yer Right.
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Oh, and are you really using our equipment?
Yours lovingly,
Ionics legal department, owners and protectors of the Reach and Wash trademark.
Yawn as above. Lovingly
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Welcome to the forum lee, i think your going to fit in just fine!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
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I have sacked hundreds like you over the years putting down anothers idea because you think its fun.
Crikey. Hundreds?
Vin
Yes.....was running a business for about 20 years
Hundreds: plural of hundred, so more than 200 people.
You sacked more than ten people a year for putting down ideas for fun? Bet the tribunal cases ran into the hundreds as well.
Vin
Turn up late, crap at job, stealing, fighting, dog ate my wife, granny gone missing, drunk at work, arrested on site, sleeping in canteen .....etc etc yes lots and lots and only 3 tribunal cases though.
Most people just want to work and most are happy to give good advice. Some just poo poo everything.
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
Thanks....I am taking it slowly and there is no rush. Building up customers as I can keeping the areas tight. But to get myself some finance for a WFP and Van I need to give them an idea of what I forcast to do evn if I cant reach it. If I tell the bank I will be aiming for 40 customers a week they wont be that good at handing over cash
I'm not knocking you but consider two things.
You'll be lucky to obtain finance for what you want, especially if your previous company had issues.
You can not deliver what you advertise & it could take some time to do so.
I understand that you can't have a website which informs of your real situation but you say there is no rush? Punting for government schools etc. what are you going to do when REAL situations arise?
I think the real situation will be when someone asks me to clean their windows I will say YES and clean them
Can you come & do 6 schools next week, 60ft reach on two of them, other four only 50ft, NO ladders can be used on site for window cleaning. Can you also bring evidence of the associations you advertise as a member?
Ok more details please.....or are you lying an
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lee good luck, but u seem to be running before you are walking,
Thanks....I am taking it slowly and there is no rush. Building up customers as I can keeping the areas tight. But to get myself some finance for a WFP and Van I need to give them an idea of what I forcast to do evn if I cant reach it. If I tell the bank I will be aiming for 40 customers a week they wont be that good at handing over cash
I'm not knocking you but consider two things.
You'll be lucky to obtain finance for what you want, especially if your previous company had issues.
You can not deliver what you advertise & it could take some time to do so.
I understand that you can't have a website which informs of your real situation but you say there is no rush? Punting for government schools etc. what are you going to do when REAL situations arise?
I think the real situation will be when someone asks me to clean their windows I will say YES and clean them
Can you come & do 6 schools next week, 60ft reach on two of them, other four only 50ft, NO ladders can be used on site for window cleaning. Can you also bring evidence of the associations you advertise as a member?
Ok more details please.....or are you lying an
I was just giving an example Lee of what could happen. Imagine taking that call tomorrow! what you gonna say to them?
You could actually do your business more harm than good, Unless you've really got the gift of the gab! ;D
Don't be put off by negative comments, probably unbeknown by you, this thread is the equivalent of me joining a political forum & telling them I'm going to be the next prime minister!
I would sit back & re-arrange your ambition, reverse a bit, then move forward just a tad slower. ;)
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how many people will deliver your 100k leaflets :?
Good luck sky's the limit!
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i think that CDL Window Cleaning Services sounds better lee. ;) ;D
CDL Window Cleaning Services is an energetic business offering window cleaning to clients throughout the local area. The company, which is located in Faygate (Horsham), was set-up in 2008 and has many years of experience in the Window Cleaners business.
With state of the art facilities and fully qualified staff, the company provides a professional window cleaning service to businesses. The service is designed to be cost effective, enabling clients to have a reliable service.
Featuring friendly, reliable service, the traditional window cleaning methods and combining it with modren water fed pole system from leading suppliers by the business are appropriate for domestic and commercial. Available for all of the South east
set up in 2008 and only 30 custy,not doing well are we. ;D ;D :P :P :P
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I think a 400 customers a month would be a more realistic projection for a bank finance average £10 a house but I think you would struggle to clean 20 houses a day every day.I think you would have to buy a few rounds and £4000 pounds worth a month would cost about £12000 minimum and public sector work they want references of other contracts
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If you buy an Ionics system,you'll get 1600 customers in no time just by people seeing the logo on your van,apparently.
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the logo on your website looks familular to me lol ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Lee, doing well with the lads on the forum ::)
I don't see anything wrong with the name - makes you stand out and very professional looking.
however, you posted on here for advice then instantly got defensive because people have seen some
inconsistances.
if you have run a company for years - surely you have some idea how to do a b/s plan and as you have 30
custy's then you already know your average time and earning potential.
i did a b/s plan and course through the local enterprise scheme - they may be of help to you.
but it's no good winding up the very people who can help you make the right decisions in this business.
Darran
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Why change your name from CDL to Piranha unless I wonder.If you only have 30 customers after 2 years plus you need to pack the window cleaning in and you already know if 1600 customers is possible,and if you been in business for years and employed and sacked guys and run Building contracts is Dominic littlewood after you and there isnt a cowboy window cleaners programme on channel five yet
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lee can i ask you a question?
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lee can i ask you a question?
Go on then ....
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Why change your name from CDL to Piranha unless I wonder.If you only have 30 customers after 2 years plus you need to pack the window cleaning in and you already know if 1600 customers is possible,and if you been in business for years and employed and sacked guys and run Building contracts is Dominic littlewood after you and there isnt a cowboy window cleaners programme on channel five yet
Nice Web Site....Is that your trolly ???
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how long does it take for you to clean you 30 customers?
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Ok. Maybe Lee's got off on the wrong footing. It's quite easy for us to sit back & see all the flaws etc.
So, why don't we & lee start afresh, now we've aired our views? :-*
Maybe with a fresh thread? lock this one?
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Why change your name from CDL to Piranha unless I wonder.If you only have 30 customers after 2 years plus you need to pack the window cleaning in and you already know if 1600 customers is possible,and if you been in business for years and employed and sacked guys and run Building contracts is Dominic littlewood after you and there isnt a cowboy window cleaners programme on channel five yet
Typical Northerner.....Thank God Coronation Street has burnt down. You will all become window cleaners now.
Changed the name to make it stand out move into 21st Century. Bit like Dave & Bob Window Cleaning
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Ok. Maybe Lee's got off on the wrong footing. It's quite easy for us to sit back & see all the flaws etc.
So, why don't we & lee start afresh, now we've aired our views? :-*
Maybe with a fresh thread? lock this one?
I am enjoying this... :)
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how long does it take for you to clean you 30 customers?
They are all spread out as people have rung in. Fit them in around the building work but now sick of people not paying in construction and ready for a change.
Enjoy the window cleaning, hassle free but need to make sure i have enough customers before making the swap.
Been offered bigger stuff but didnt make the investment in WFP but I am ready now, but would like to offer both.
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Anyway Lee - thanks for the most interesting post in a while.
African proverb - "how do you eat an elephant"???
- "One spoonfull at a time"
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Ok. Maybe Lee's got off on the wrong footing. It's quite easy for us to sit back & see all the flaws etc.
So, why don't we & lee start afresh, now we've aired our views? :-*
Maybe with a fresh thread? lock this one?
I am enjoying this... :)
60 odd replies & 350 views on your first day! You certainly made an impact Lee!! ;D ;D ;D
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Lee........
Dont!!!!!!!!!! Pay for an'new' expensive wfp system.
Keep your eye on ebay lots of second hand bargains on there mate.
Leaflet then leaflet some more, I have built up a nice round in less than a year.
WFP is the way to go.
you could clean up to 40 foot for as little as £300 if you are clued in!!
If your website attracts some high work (wfp) sub it out to a local firm until you have your gear.
Happy days
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Anyway Lee - thanks for the most interesting post in a while.
African proverb - "how do you eat an elephant"???
- "One spoonfull at a time"
As my Nan said "Never eat Yellow Snow"
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Lee........
Dont!!!!!!!!!! Pay for an'new' expensive wfp system.
Keep your eye on ebay lots of second hand bargains on there mate.
Leaflet then leaflet some more, I have built up a nice round in less than a year.
WFP is the way to go.
you could clean up to 40 foot for as little as £300 if you are clued in!!
If your website attracts some high work (wfp) sub it out to a local firm until you have your gear.
Happy days
I was looking for a transit van.......is it cheaper to fit myself or get it already fitted ?
I have a small workshop and could have one of the tanks making the water pure then take it out and about is that the best way forward ?
Ebay never thought of that thanks I will look.
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lee if you didnt have a website, then i would think this is platinum again ;D
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Dave does'nt work with me ;D
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lee personally you cant even crawl so why you trying to run?
take one step at a time, if you have 30 customers you have a long way to go and a lot to learn.
not looked at your site so dont know what juicy logos youve got but make sure there legit otherwise you will only hrm your rep, has for ionics the norm is to buy a system first then be allowed to use there logo.
Now 1600 customers over 6 weeks working 5 days every week doing 40 hours is 3.3 now that is not taking into consideration how you move from job to job getting to the job weather?? other problems??
be realistic and move forward from there.
many have come in with big ideas buying up rounds throwing money at leaflets and have failed, better to not get above your station at the moment.
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lee if you didnt have a website, then i would think this is platinum again ;D
No Monkey Business :D
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Why change your name from CDL to Piranha unless I wonder.If you only have 30 customers after 2 years plus you need to pack the window cleaning in and you already know if 1600 customers is possible,and if you been in business for years and employed and sacked guys and run Building contracts is Dominic littlewood after you and there isnt a cowboy window cleaners programme on channel five yet
Typical Northerner.....Thank God Coronation Street has burnt down. You will all become window cleaners now.
Changed the name to make it stand out move into 19st Century. Bit like Bob & James Window Cleaning
That not very nice,I'm actually a Kentish boy,Cheap trolley system gives me more money to spend on pints of newton and ridley bitter and bit gutted lost half the round with that Tram crash had a few streets off coronation st and another Tram going the other way came off and took out 15 houses.
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lee personally you cant even crawl so why you trying to run?
take one step at a time, if you have 30 customers you have a long way to go and a lot to learn.
not looked at your site so dont know what juicy logos youve got but make sure there legit otherwise you will only hrm your rep, has for ionics the norm is to buy a system first then be allowed to use there logo.
Now 1600 customers over 6 weeks working 5 days every week doing 40 hours is 3.3 now that is not taking into consideration how you move from job to job getting to the job weather?? other problems??
be realistic and move forward from there.
many have come in with big ideas buying up rounds throwing money at leaflets and have failed, better to not get above your station at the moment.
No Idea what your talking about .....Give advice but dont preach.
Two vans for two blokes is the long term plan. No idea about running and all that waffle.
I can only do the jobs I have so I have to build up the round. The idea is between us we can cover different areas instead of running around and thats it really.
Ionics said no problem with Logo as they think I will buy some equipment.
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lee personally you cant even crawl so why you trying to run?
take one step at a time, if you have 30 customers you have a long way to go and a lot to learn.
not looked at your site so dont know what juicy logos youve got but make sure there legit otherwise you will only hrm your rep, has for ionics the norm is to buy a system first then be allowed to use there logo.
Now 1600 customers over 6 weeks working 5 days every week doing 40 hours is 3.3 now that is not taking into consideration how you move from job to job getting to the job weather?? other problems??
be realistic and move forward from there.
many have come in with big ideas buying up rounds throwing money at leaflets and have failed, better to not get above your station at the moment.
No Idea what your talking about .....Give advice but dont preach.
Two vans for two blokes is the long term plan. No idea about running and all that waffle.
I can only do the jobs I have so I have to build up the round. The idea is between us we can cover different areas instead of running around and thats it really.
Ionics said no problem with Logo as they think I will buy some equipment.
Ok ill do that if you talk soe sense?
ionics must be getting desperate i mean how long do they wait for you to buy one if you ever do??
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Why would you want to advertise you have an Ionics system even if you did have one? Not one single customer would care if it was Ionics or diy and other window cleaners will think you have a big ego.
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Why would you want to advertise you have an Ionics system even if you did have one? Not one single customer would care if it was Ionics or diy and other window cleaners will think you have a big ego.
So this is what its all about then.....like some big Gay Sauna everyone is trying to impress eachother lol.....
You must be interested in my website to keep looking at it....does everyone up north share the same website. You must pick it up for free when you leave the prison
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lee tell us more about your back ground?
you have a cheap £10 website by vista.
you have £30 custimers
you dont have a van or a system
you have a issue with people from the north
you have a web site with accreditations that you dont have
safecontactor, ipaf jsu because you have a liscence doesnt allow you to use there logo check it out
are you really accredited with BWCA and the FWC??
you come on asking if 1600 customers is do able when you have 30 after to years and you want seriuos replys with advice...........come on is this for real?
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8) THIS MUST BE A WIND UP.
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I'm in Hampshire. And asked you a civil question. If you're used to losing 5k in Construction(sic) then buy an Ionics system,you big player.
You're the one in the gay sauna trying to impress everyone. You have the most fictitious website ever and talk the talk without walking the walk.
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lee tell us more about your back ground?
you have a cheap £10 website by vista.
you have £30 custimers
you dont have a van or a system
you have a issue with people from the north
you have a web site with accreditations that you dont have
safecontactor, ipaf jsu because you have a liscence doesnt allow you to use there logo check it out
are you really accredited with BWCA and the FWC??
you come on asking if 1600 customers is do able when you have 30 after to years and you want seriuos replys with advice...........come on is this for real?
Couldnt understand a word you said..... You grammer is a mess and at a glance I thought you was writing in spanish
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lee tell us more about your back ground?
you have a cheap £10 website by vista.
you have £30 custimers
you dont have a van or a system
you have a issue with people from the north
you have a web site with accreditations that you dont have
safecontactor, ipaf jsu because you have a liscence doesnt allow you to use there logo check it out
are you really accredited with BWCA and the FWC??
you come on asking if 1600 customers is do able when you have 30 after to years and you want seriuos replys with advice...........come on is this for real?
Couldnt understand a word you said..... You grammer is a mess and at a glance I thought you was writing in spanish
Couldnt,you grammer,you was!! Yours is spot on ain't it
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well done havent heard that before, see the differnce is i dont pretend im good at spelling or grammer
i live in the real world ...you should try it....and by the way like i said you should make sure you really have the accreditations ;)
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love it keep it up!!! best thread in ages :P
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another dreamer 1600 custys
ipaf my backside ionic system yeah yeah
gold poles too pal >:( >:( >:( no phone number
on yr very cheap website
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I Type with a southern accent,you seem to have issues with Northerners and tried to insult me instead you manage to insult Northerners that could help you progress have you come on here to take the p out window cleaners.I as Northern as you are a Window cleaner
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lee if you didnt have a website, then i would think this is platinum again ;D
It could quite easily be Platinum.
Anyone can 'adopt' someone elses site and say its theres. Come on here and sit there merrily winding people up. I went out at 7.00pm and come back to find 4 pages of people trying to disprove this guy.
Its obvious he's simply full of himself. Things could be fun he's just round the corner from whatshisface T.V advertiser Ivealreadyspent£10,000onmynextproject.
I wonder if theres enough room in that neck of the woods for 2 egos that big ;D
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I'm in Hampshire. And asked you a civil question. If you're used to losing 5k in Construction(sic) then buy an Ionics system,you big player.
You're the one in the gay sauna trying to impress everyone. You have the most fictitious website ever and talk the talk without walking the walk.
If your going to put forward an argument make sure it makes sense first and actually has a question or a point.
If I have lost £5k in c onstruction then bviously I dont have £5k to buy Ionics :o
If I had the money I would spend it on a weekend in Hampshire with you big boy ;)
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sense...sense why lee do you have one once of it?
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another dreamer 1600 custys
ipaf my backside ionic system yeah yeah
gold poles too pal >:( >:( >:( no phone number
on yr very cheap website
another one ::)
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lee if you didnt have a website, then i would think this is platinum again ;D
It could quite easily be Platinum.
Anyone can 'adopt' someone elses site and say its theres. Come on here and sit there merrily winding people up. I went out at 7.00pm and come back to find 4 pages of people trying to disprove this guy.
Its obvious he's simply full of himself. Things could be fun he's just round the corner from whatshisface T.V advertiser Ivealreadyspent£10,000onmynextproject.
I wonder if theres enough room in that neck of the woods for 2 egos that big ;D
Like an episode of the Simpsons this :P
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If you want a day out in Hampshire then choose any day next week and come round mine. You can choose what van you want to go out in and what system you want to use,i'll even show you what an Ionics system looks like. Domestic or commercial its up to you. Bungalows or 50ft up.
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another dreamer 1600 custys
ipaf my backside ionic system yeah yeah
gold poles too pal >:( >:( >:( no phone number
on yr very cheap website
another one ::)
tidy luther me old m8
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I like this thread ;D
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sense...sense why lee do you have one once of it?
Once of it ....
WTF are you saying.....does not make an OUNCE of sense :P
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Is this a realistic amount of customers to aim for on a 6 week clean between 2 men.
This gives us 133 each to do in a week with a labourer each to foot the ladder. Obviously WFP will be prefered in the end. That works out at about 3 per hour on an average 3 bed house.
This is what we want to aim for.
Are there many out there operating with a large customer base and taking it to the next level.
I know many might say it seems a load fo b******s but you have got to aim for something and we are grafters.
I am putting together a business plan and at the moment while its freezing cold looking at the way forward. We will deliver 100,000 thousand leaflets if we have to and knock on every door.
Any advice please other than wake up and get real.
Its not a realistic amount to aim for. And frankly for your modus oparandi its laughable.
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you become the forums spell cecker and grammer corrector and leave the window cleaning to us guys pal......seems your better at it :)
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If you want a day out in Hampshire then choose any day next week and come round mine. You can choose what van you want to go out in and what system you want to use,i'll even show you what an Ionics system looks like. Domestic or commercial its up to you. Bungalows or 50ft up.
Thankyou for that offer I will take you up on it.
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you become the forums spell cecker and grammer corrector and leave the window cleaning to us guys pal......seems your better at it :)
You seem to be all on top of eachother up there in Nortern land .....like rats......
I agree you stay up Northa and Clean your windows for £3 per house and leave the big rich houses down south for us
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If you want a day out in Hampshire then choose any day next week and come round mine. You can choose what van you want to go out in and what system you want to use,i'll even show you what an Ionics system looks like. Domestic or commercial its up to you. Bungalows or 50ft up.
Thankyou for that offer I will take you up on it.
bet you dont ;D
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you become the forums spell cecker and grammer corrector and leave the window cleaning to us guys pal......seems your better at it :)
You seem to be all on top of eachother up there in Nortern land .....like rats......
I agree you stay up Northa and Clean your windows for £3 per house and leave the big rich houses down south for us
Yep you leave Cheshire to us "rats" ;D
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Lee, I like you already, mate. Stick around and don't take no grief off-of anyone. ;D
Most of these Northern Monkeys aint got a clue mate.
Welcome to the forum!
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So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
So, been planning for a year and ended up still not knowing how many customers to aim for. Still planning on trad with a paid labourer to foot ladders. No idea about WPF, names one manufacturer on his website, has another manufacturer's logo. Comes on totally belligerent and argumentative with enough ego to sink a ship. Thinks that being called a Northerner is some kind of insult.
Clearly a total and utter wind up.
If this guy's still posting on the forum under this name in a fortnight, I'll be astounded. Someone on the pop a bit early, I think.
Vin
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sorry lee what does your 30 houses turnover, i mean do you even call it a business.........lol joker
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If any of you guys think this guy is SERIOUS about starting a window cleaning business and that he's come on here for help and advice on how to achieve what he wants then you're as bad as him.
He's on a windup. End off!
Can't believe you've sat here all night entertaining him.
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sorry lee what does your 30 houses turnover, i mean do you even call it a business.........lol joker
Ronnie, one of them was £45.00. (he said)
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Taken are minds off the weather LOL ;D
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To be honest I am suprised most of you cloth caps are still up.....Normally you coming home ratted dropping your bike outside the gate and giving the missus a back hander.
So you lot must be the single ones whos wife has run off with the window cleaner, considering you are all window cleaners up there.
Most of your posts are random chit chat and badly spelt just like the Daily Star.
Hope your Poles Freeze and split !!!!
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Taken are minds off the weather LOL ;D
shoot, it's our minds. I hope he does not notice
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If any of you guys think this guy is SERIOUS about starting a window cleaning business and that he's come on here for help and advice on how to achieve what he wants then you're as bad as him.
He's on a windup. End off!
Can't believe you've sat here all night entertaining him.
:D
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im totally gobsmacked that my m8
luther as offered u a day wiv him
on his very impressive business fella
id snap his arm off he will learn u something ;D ;D
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im totally gobsmacked that my m8
luther as offered u a day wiv him
on his very impressive business fella
id snap his arm off he will learn u something ;D ;D
OMG
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Just watch my team lose badly to Watford and this post has cheered me up
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If he comes on a Monday then he can pop along to boxing with me at 7.30pm
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gav my mum could learn him something about window cleaning....what a total muppet.
come and spend a day with me up north......illl show you how a reall northern company rolls
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If he comes on a Monday then he can pop along to boxing with me at 7.30pm
;D ;D ;D
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If he comes on a Monday then he can pop along to boxing with me at 7.30pm
Sounds good to me...
If your Into Boxing then we will get on great. I have set up a Boxing Gym for Youngsters to get them off the streets over here so we may become best buddies after all
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luther he's yr apprentice m8
get praticing yr alan sugar
yr fired pmsl ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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gav my mum could learn him something about window cleaning....what a total muppet.
come and spend a day with me up north......illl show you how a reall northern company rolls
ronnie av u lost a guy now ?????
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Knew they would kiss and make up in the end. ;D
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gav my mum could learn him something about window cleaning....what a total muppet.
come and spend a day with me up north......illl show you how a reall northern company rolls
Rather eat chicken poop....
But wouldnt mind spending a day with your Mum again
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gav my mum could learn him something about window cleaning....what a total muppet.
come and spend a day with me up north......illl show you how a reall northern company rolls
Rather eat chicken poop....
But wouldnt mind spending a day with your Mum again
:o :o :o :o :o :o
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I'm sure we'd get on fab
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??? ??? ???
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I think he is sat with something in his hand 'ENJOYING' himself!! it wont be a pole! he is not wfp yet???
Fair play Lee! best post by far !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
More bites than Robson Green!!!
Cheered me right up 8)
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your all banned when dave gets back, if he can get out of that sharks belly :o
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your all banned when dave gets back, if he can get out of that sharks belly :o
:o :o :o :o
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i know i need to go to bed got all your months work on in one day tomorrow!!! ;D
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my mum...... ;D
and you admit to that on a public forum ;D
while your here let see what youve got, actually i ll come down there and show you.
you seem to need a lot of help ;)
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your all banned when dave gets back, if he can get out of that sharks belly :o
its swimmimg towards cornwall as we speak lol
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i know i need to go to bed got all your months work on in one day tomorrow!!! ;D
and he will ;D ;D
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i know i need to go to bed got all your months work on in one day tomorrow!!! ;D
Month..6 weeks lo ;D
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BUMP!
Just in case you had all forgotten about this informative thread.
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thought i would stick my oar in as everyone else has.
what? thats it, just wanted to stick my oar in.
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i know i need to go to bed got all your months work on in one day tomorrow!!! ;D
Month..6 weeks lo ;D
ronnie u av mail ;D ;D
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BUMP!
Just in case you had all forgotten about this informative thread.
THink the boxing thing frightened them all off, he's in bed now with a rusk and some milk with a big smile on his face !!!! ;D
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thought i would stick my oar in as everyone else has.
what? thats it, just wanted to stick my oar in.
another one ::)
build hadrians wall again and knock down that bloody bridge out of wales
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hadrians wall thats to keep out
the jocks numpty ;D ;D
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BUMP!
Just in case you had all forgotten about this informative thread.
THink the boxing thing frightened them all off, he's in bed now with a rusk and some milk with a big smile on his face !!!! ;D
Dont be a doughnut.....
Boxing is what I do and why would it scare anyone.
Its a sport an art not a weapon
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yr aduley harrison
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hadrians wall thats to keep out
the jocks numpty ;D ;D
Needs to be brought down lower and rebuilt to keep out the sweaties, sheep shaggers, monkey hangers, scouser pick pockets, drug dealers, and leave us good southerners in peace
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yeah you numpty. i thought mine was a very kind post compared to everyone elses. dont like kicking people when theyre down. youve had a hammering on here tonight.
youve done good though, getting a website straight away, i havent bothered in 3 yrs.
just running before you can walk thats all, just take your time.
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cant wait 4 luther get u in his van ;D ;D ;D
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your all banned when dave gets back, if he can get out of that sharks belly :o
There's no shark in the world got a mouth big enough to get past Dave's head! He's safe as houses swimming in those waters! ;D
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hadrians wall thats to keep out
the jocks numpty ;D ;D
Needs to be brought down lower and rebuilt to keep out the sweaties, sheep shaggers, monkey hangers, scouser pick pockets, drug dealers, and leave us good southerners in peace
You forgot the Welsh!
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Dont be a doughnut.....
Boxing is what I do and why would it scare anyone.
Its a sport an art not a weapon
You box, i'll be a doughut. Your figures are to optomistic, to put it mildy. You did want some feedback for your question didn't you?
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whats a sweatie?
are they the same as fatties cos they sweat alot?
or is it cos they wear sweaters?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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lee is also a pro boxing ....just another bow to is strings ;D
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hadrians wall thats to keep out
the jocks numpty ;D ;D
Needs to be brought down lower and rebuilt to keep out the sweaties, sheep shaggers, monkey hangers, scouser pick pockets, drug dealers, and leave us good southerners in peace
You forgot the Welsh!
sheep shaggers but tp be honest they all do dont they
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lee is also a pro boxing ....just another bow to is strings ;D
yes aduley harrison ;D ;D
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whats a sweatie?
are they the same as fatties cos they sweat alot?
or is it cos they wear sweaters?
sweaty sock
Jock
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lee is also a pro boxing ....just another bow to is strings ;D
Dont be a plonker...
Not a Pro at all..
ABA
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tp????
this guy also can make new words up too ;D
forget the job offer your fired you cant spell either ;D
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No way I am reading 8 pages to find out what this is all about but I read the first post so good luck lee Gilroy
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sweaty sock
Jock
Lee - I've now worked out why Tosh likes you a lot. You're an all right bloke.
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tp???? shouldnt that be to?? ;)
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u been fired by ronnie now pmsl ;D ;D ;D
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There is and its you ;D ;D ;D
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No way I am reading 8 pages to find out what this is all about but I read the first post so good luck lee Gilroy
Thanks
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Please ban this troll.
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keep him hes funny ;D ;D
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Please ban this troll.
You get back to you credit card scams and pick pocketing .....
suprised your up and not weeping over Coronation Street and all those broken windows....forgot most windows up there are smashed.
And Troll come off it I know you lot are a way behind but even the kids down here wouldnt use that word...
So 80's
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Lee, I've just wasted three minutes of my life looking at your back posts, and that's time I'll never get back.
It's obvious you're both a window cleaner and a 'Troll', but you're not very funny with it; you had so much opportunity too.
Now bore off you silly little creature. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/nerner.gif)
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Lee, I've just wasted three minutes of my life looking at your back posts, and that's time I'll never get back.
It's obvious you're both a window cleaner and a 'Troll', but you're not very funny with it; you had so much opportunity too.
Now bore off you silly little creature. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/nerner.gif)
Thats the last time you speak to your Dad like that, next time your mother will get it
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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Looks like the Stella is starting to kick in with some of you
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Thats the last time you speak to your Dad like that, next time your mother will get it
Yawn
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Thats the last time you speak to your Dad like that, next time your mother will get it
Yawn
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Funny%20stuff%20for%20forums/jesusltr.jpg)
Cant believe your showing holiday snaps of your Mum again
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Cant believe your showing holiday snaps of your Mum again
You're funny!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Funny%20stuff%20for%20forums/1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif)
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Has anybody sussed who this guy is, cos this is his alter ego. He's a regular member of the forum, although disappeared a while ago to other forums, and came back about 6 months ago.
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No,but he is funny ;D ;D
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Has anybody sussed who this guy is, cos this is his alter ego. He's a regular member of the forum, although disappeared a while ago to other forums, and came back about 6 months ago.
Its the Arthur Mullard lookalike barman in the Cherry Tree at Horsham?
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Has anybody sussed who this guy is, cos this is his alter ego. He's a regular member of the forum, although disappeared a while ago to other forums, and came back about 6 months ago.
Who cares; he's boring. If he had half-a-brain he could've really had some fun; but he doesn't have the wit.
Squeaks is my 'poster of the week'. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/evilgrin.gif)
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Has anybody sussed who this guy is, cos this is his alter ego. He's a regular member of the forum, although disappeared a while ago to other forums, and came back about 6 months ago.
Its the Arthur Mullard lookalike barman in the Cherry Tree at Horsham?
Thought you prefered the Fountain at Handcross
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I have my suspicions
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Has anybody sussed who this guy is, cos this is his alter ego. He's a regular member of the forum, although disappeared a while ago to other forums, and came back about 6 months ago.
Who cares; he's boring. If he had half-a-brain he could've really had some fun; but he doesn't have the wit.
Squeaks is my 'poster of the week'. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/evilgrin.gif)
Most people on here have been rude but they have done it in a way which is banter and quite amusing but something about you tells me that you actually are a nasty bloke and mean what you say.
So I suggest sweetheart as this is my post you just Jog on and go bang one out over your Window Cleaners Monthly
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No,but he is funny ;D ;D
really he isn't.
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Most people on here have been rude but they have done it in a way which is banter and quite amusing but something about you tells me that you actually are a nasty bloke and mean what you say.
So I suggest sweetheart as this is my post you just Jog on and go bang one out over your Window Cleaners Monthly
Did I touch a nerve, Pettle?
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
now I know who you are ;D
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No,but he is funny ;D ;D
really he isn't.
Bet you look like your photo... Prob best you clean the windows at night so you dont scare the customers
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Funny%20stuff%20for%20forums/yawning.jpg)
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No,but he is funny ;D ;D
really he isn't.
Bet you look like your photo... Prob best you clean the windows at night so you dont scare the customers
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
now I know who you are ;D
Yes I am Larry the Lamb
You did me last tuesday and mon and sun and just about every night really....
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
now I know who you are ;D
cmon stu who is it
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
now I know who you are ;D
Yes I am Larry the Lamb
You did me last tuesday and mon and sun and just about every night really....
You bore me. I'm off. G' night ladies.
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I have my suspicions
Well you would do.....
You have been enslaved by us for thousands of years and its in your genes that we could be coming back to take the first shag from the virgin brides..
Thing is though it only lasted a couple of years and we decided the sheep were better as they pushed back
now I know who you are ;D
cmon stu who is it
no telling its amusing :D
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Dont forget to do the poll ladies...
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lee if u ever get 1600 custys fella
il be the first to congratulate u lad
cant see it happening so best ov british old bean
enjoy yr day wiv luther ;D ;D
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thought i would stick my oar in as everyone else has.
what? thats it, just wanted to stick my oar in.
another one ::)
build hadrians wall again and knock down that bloody bridge out of wales
sorry i know im not allowed to have a come back a couple of hours later, but you are "one, sad, pathetic, loser" no offence. (said in a jim carrey voice)
i mean to be bothered to check my profile to see that im welsh?
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Is this guy bi-polar by any chance?
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thought i would stick my oar in as everyone else has.
what? thats it, just wanted to stick my oar in.
another one ::)
build hadrians wall again and knock down that bloody bridge out of wales
sorry i know im not allowed to have a come back a couple of hours later, but you are "one, sad, pathetic, loser" no offence. (said in a jim carrey voice)
i mean to be bothered to check my profile to see that im welsh?
Could not understand a word you said there was too much noise coming from the Baa Baa
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lol
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I've changed my mind Lee
Go for it full throttle mate!!
I reckon you could get away with anything!! ;D ;D
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i have 673 customers on domestic and 148 shops and business cleans.. there are 3 of us each with a pole and find it hard to keep the pace, 1600, someone is telling fibs i think ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Cheers for the replies it took about 10mins for the Pc to stop freezing.
I based it on an average of £10 per house. It will vary I know I have one customer who is £45 and its all patios doors all round. Takes about hour and half.
I want in new year to pack in the job I am doing as i am self employed and sick of construction and customers going bust or not paying.
If a customer does not pay in Window Cleaning its £10 but in Construction it can be £5k.
At moment I have about 30 customers and it took about a week to get them with about 3,000 leaflets. So looking to do WFP as spent past year doing all the planning so ready to make the switch and put down the trowel and pick up the pole.
Lee.
I see you are based in Horsham.
If you saying an average of £10 a house in an area like that, you are underselling yourself by a very big margin.
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Has anybody sussed who this guy is, cos this is his alter ego. He's a regular member of the forum, although disappeared a while ago to other forums, and came back about 6 months ago.
Its the Arthur Mullard lookalike barman in the Cherry Tree at Horsham?
Myself, I reckon Lee must have been a resident at the place that used to be across the road from that pub. He'll know what I mean if he's lived around Faygate long enough ;D
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Well Lee, or whoever you are, I thought you might be for real after the first post but then I read the rest of the thread ;D . It seems you're to familiar with the brand of insults on here to be new ;D .
Just in case any of your postings were real, I've been window cleaning nearly twenty years and I've only got 240 customers of my own and 18 that are fairly regular sub contract jobs. I used to have about 500 customers years ago but that was the pointr when I discovered that quality is better than quantity - especially for a sole trader.
Honestly, the work I've passed on or dropped over the years could probably have been two rounds worth. The trouble was that I used to need a lot of customers just to get a full round each time because there were a lot of the "not today" brigade in there.
I do want to build further in the new year and guess which area I have my sights on. Yep. You've guessed it. Horsham & District ;D . I'm not joking either. I want 50 - 100 decent quality customers to improve the quality of my business. At the moment I do get a reasonable few days off to recuperate from the graft but I would like to start earning more.
BTW. The sheep you mentioned are better if you take them to the edge of a cliff. They push back harder.
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Myself, I reckon Lee must have been a resident at the place that used to be across the road from that pub. He'll know what I mean if he's lived around Faygate long enough ;D
;D ;D
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Myself, I reckon Lee must have been a resident at the place that used to be across the road from that pub. He'll know what I mean if he's lived around Faygate long enough ;D
;D ;D
You've lived around here a long time as well then? ;D
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i have 600 customers, enough for a average of 4 days work a week with 1 van and 2 men at one time.
leaving me space for about 150 customers, but i leave the space for odd jobs.
the post says 1600 customers sure it said £10 average. thats £16k per 4 week
12-13cleans a year so he be turning over at least £192,000