Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on December 10, 2010, 05:15:58 pm
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I personally don't believe it does, and the sticky residue is just a urban myth passed on from years ago when detergent chemistry was in its infancy.
a modern detergent is the cultivation of year of research specifically designed not to cause any problems
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If you were talking about Vax AAA, then I would have said "Yes".... :D
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Hi Guys
I still prefer to rinse without detergent and find on most occaisions this is fine.
However I would agree it is largely based on heresay and annecdotes, obviously half a bottle of vanish, 1001 etc will cause resoling but a small amount in the rinse is unlikely to cause any notable difference in soiling rates.
So on balance I will vote no.
Cheers
Doug
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i aint a clue but i like my results and so do my custies so i'll keep my winning formula for now.
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Personally I always rinse with just with Pure Water, I'm leaving nothing to chance.
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Finaly, some sense! I voted no which also, funnly enough is the answer.
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Always believed the chemicals available in my early days were too " soapy" and prone to leaving a residue behind. I found when moving to powders foaming was no longer an issue and having mostly repeat clients over the past 10 years have found no signs of residues, or rapid resoiling.
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The main problem i have come across, has been the housewife aproach of a little more is better to get the job done. But that is using supermarket stuff with a high powered bissel or vax ::) TO RINSE
The professional detergents we use today i would hope not. If diluted in the right manner
SO AFTER ALL THAT WAFFLE I SAY NO :-\ :-\ :-\
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NO NO NO!!!
Measure to the exact ml as per manufacturer guidelines and you will have no problems. Pour in an unmeasured glug which makes the rinse too strong and you will leave residue.
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Do you really think manufacturers have tested the dozens of variations of carpet cleaning machines to decide what amount is " the correct amount " for " portable " machines.
Consider the heat available, the psi used, the vacuumation available.
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I have voted no. But that is based on using a sensible amount of a quality low foaming detergent and good flow rate and rinsing power. I am sure that if you tweaked these factors then the results would be different.
For example if you were rinsing with a Vax then there may well be some significant quantity of residue left to cause problems.
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If it's a Rinse solution then I would say no.
If it's a detergent then I would say yes.
Expro
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why not just use a detergent that does not need a rinse
http://s476.photobucket.com/albums/rr123/ianharper11/?action=view¤t=baby_safe_carpet_cleaning_cambridge.mp4
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Ian I find that slightly confusing, and although it might be useful to a customers it really proves nothing, all it show is that the baby detergent totally dissolves in water, it is still there just not as visible as the other test sample. or are you saying that the baby detergent totally evaporates leaving no residue?
and what was the clarity of the original solution were you get the spoon sample from? if a single spoonful makes the water in the full glass cloudy then the original sample must have been very very cloudy so why not just show that as the comparison.
over the next week i will do a video of a test were I will get a carpet sample clean half with a detergent, let it totally dry then empty a used vacuum cleaner bag over the full carpet then vacuum it all off. if the detergent does leave a sticky residue then the detergent side will still have the soil stuck to it
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Ill look forward to your results Mike should be interesting.
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Sorry if I am being thick
If I am using say powerburst as a prespray are we talking about not using acid rinse just plain water or are we talking about using detergents as the rinse as well as the prespray.
Are we suggesting that the high ph of detergents do not require neutralising.
I am confused.
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fenman, what we are saying is that after using your favourite pre-spray you use something like.... DoubleClean, Formula90, Hydra-dry, Ultimate master etc..etc to rinse off the pre-spray and clean the carpet.
for those that has voted yes above could I ask you why Prochem, Chemspec, Alltec make detergents, do they know that( as you believe) these solutions caused rapid resoiling and leave a sticky residue..... but just don't care.
and when I read on a container.....
A high performance liquid carpet extraction detergent leaving behind no stickiness that could cause resoiling.
or
unique polymer coating which encapsulates the residue to avoid any chance of any of the crystallising residue reactivating.
should I call trading standards as these are blatant lies.
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Does this then blow away all the Eco hype, no sticky residue theory etc?
Dave
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I dont know whats better Double Clean as a prespray or rinsing with F90 but both are great and there is no problem with resoiling quicker it just dosent happen.
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for those that has voted yes above could I ask you why Prochem, Chemspec, Alltec make detergents, do they know that( as you believe) these solutions caused rapid resoiling and leave a sticky residue..... but just don't care.
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and say......
What is the definition of rapid resoiling? Are we talking days, weeks, months, 25% 50% 75% quicker than 'new' products in an exact like for like scenario.
Likewise what is the definition of sticky? If you leave a job having cleaned it with just water and it is still damp/wet then technically anyone walking over it has the potential to transfer dirt onto the top of the fibres because there will be a 'sticky' value applied. Whilst if it is totally dry then any dirt will drop down the fibres to the base.
Personally I prefer to play safe and either (a) acid rinse or (b) mostly I rinse with purified water.
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Today I did a white wool berber that I had cleaned with a detergent two years ago. It looked immaculate ;D The method.... pre-spray was pre-spray gold then flushed off with craftex cotton cleaner which is on the acid side. Drys up beautiful and def doesn't re-soil :D
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Morning guys,
I used to run a chemical company which made loads of different types of chemicals (carpet cleaner, general purpose, graffitti remover, etc) and I always tested dilutions on various surfaces to find the most effective and best rinsing dilutions.
But, the simplest piece of advise was always to think of Fairy Liquid when you are mixing chemicals. Would you mix Fairy Liquid at 5-1 when you are cleaning dishes? Not a chance! if there are soap suds would you rinse with fresh water? Of course.
I never understand putting chemical on to a surface and not rinsing! Why take the risk with carpets?
Cheers
Dave