Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pj on December 07, 2010, 01:50:18 pm
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Van tank so frozen sounds like a bag of bricks, all pipes in van frozen, all connectors frozen, all hosereels froze, garage frozen, 25litre containers frozen solid, trolley battery and charger knackered, outside tap frozen, mains feed hose and connectors frozen, waste pipe and connectors frozen, RO looks like frozen :o.
Still, on the bright side it's gonna be minus 9 here tonite with a real feel of minus 13!
I've had heater in the van, heater in the garage, lagging round the outside tap....but obviously not enough...
Suggestions for alternative employment? It's getting decidedly chilly
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Get yourself out carol singing !
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Only -3 here tonight and 2c tomorrow. Whoop whoop. ;D
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if u get desperate get a sick note, as dss will pay u sick pay as ur are self employed,
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sick of frost does that count?
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Suggestions for alternative employment?
What's your skills?
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It might not be a bad idea for a few local windies to chip in together and rent a unit where you can park vans inside. Might save a lot of dosh!
A Co operative water making facility could be incorporated...........................................
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Pj it would'nt be the money for me but the job satisfaction... ;D
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It might not be a bad idea for a few local windies to chip in together and rent a unit where you can park vans inside. Might save a lot of dosh!
A Co operative water making facility could be incorporated...........................................
Would make no difference. My kit wasn't frozen until 3 minutes after I started using it.
So I started doing trad and that froze on the glass.
It's impossible to work.
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go down dss and explain whats happened and you cant work you might be entitled to a crisis loan they give them to teenage mums when their washing machines break and they spend the money on smack,you pay it back over 12 months no interest.If that don't work-me not speaky ingleash giver me handyout -you go front of the cue and be living in a 5 bedder and drive a merc. ;D
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It might not be a bad idea for a few local windies to chip in together and rent a unit where you can park vans inside. Might save a lot of dosh!
A Co operative water making facility could be incorporated...........................................
Would make no difference. My kit wasn't frozen until 3 minutes after I started using it.
So I started doing trad and that froze on the glass.
It's impossible to work.
Its not impossible because Dazmond and Franky have been working.
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People who have been working have either been in warmer places or simply lying to try and impress.
It's not been possible here today, and I'll dismiss any claims it has been.
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People who have been working have either been in warmer places or simply lying to try and impress.
It's not been possible here today, and I'll dismiss any claims it has been.
sorry squeaky you are wrong,work all last week and been working this week. :P :P :P
on over the bridge so not that much diffenece.
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It might not be a bad idea for a few local windies to chip in together and rent a unit where you can park vans inside. Might save a lot of dosh!
A Co operative water making facility could be incorporated...........................................
I Have been saying that for ages.
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Its over to you Squeek.
This site doesn't seem to work in early evening when it's busy, so only just got chance to reply.
In answer, yes it is VERY different over the bridge. The river splits the weather like you wouldn't believe.
Wfp freezes up, and trad freezes on glass. Hot water would too.
There is no normal way of working here, sorry. And if anyone is, then they're doing something very clever, because no-one I know can work.
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Wfp freezes up, and trad freezes on glass. Hot water would too.
There is no normal way of working here, sorry. And if anyone is, then they're doing something very clever, because no-one I know can work.
Screen wash seems to work okay; just don't water it down too much. I didn't lose that much work last week doing trad. I reckon I could've worked today, but I'm under no great financial pressure to do so, so I wimped out.
I bet Ian_Giles has been working; he's a tough old dog. I'll text him now.
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I bet Ian_Giles has been working; he's a tough old dog. I'll text him now.
Tough? ??? What's that got to do with freezing on glass and jets freezing up?
Do you two do special warmer glass than me then? Or just liars? ;)
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Do you two do special warmer glass than me then? Or just liars? ;)
Bonny lad, call me a liar, or even insinuate I'm a liar again; please!
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You make me laugh Roger:-
Squeaky: I can't work so you can't work; my temperature is colder than your temperature; the River splits the weather! You are all liars! ::)
You do talk rot Rog - I was able to work, just did 3 hours from 11 am til 2pm - the temp was minus 5, too. I just did tops from an insulated tank and put a screenwash mix in a bucket and tradded the bottoms.
Then swept water away and put salt/grit down where the upper windows dripped onto a path.
All a bit slow but not whinging on here!
Bristol Filton was -5.5 at noon, Chepstow was -4.7, according to met office!
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I bet Ian_Giles has been working; he's a tough old dog. I'll text him now.
Tough? ??? What's that got to do with freezing on glass and jets freezing up?
Do you two do special warmer glass than me then? Or just liars? ;)
hot water
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I bet Ian_Giles has been working; he's a tough old dog. I'll text him now.
Tough? ??? What's that got to do with freezing on glass and jets freezing up?
Do you two do special warmer glass than me then? Or just liars? ;)
hot water
Tried hot water. Still froze.
Bonny lad, call me a liar, or even insinuate I'm a liar again; please!
??? Ok, I think you're lying. Unless you have some magic way no-one knows about.
And malcom...why don't you just do one... Accuse me of talking rot when that's all you spout. I know what I'm talking about, and unlike most on here I'm straight and honest. ::)
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Hot water will freeze quicker than cold on glass. It's to do with the density of hot water; it's less dense so freezes faster. C'mon guys; you're window cleaners; you should know this.
Undiluted screenwash at a couple of quid for 2 to 4 litres, which is enough for a days work if you use it wisely has a freezing temp of -15 Celsius, according the brand I use, which is more than adequate to cope with the -5C we've been experiencing.
And obviously where there's a will there's a way.
But to accuse people of being liars is quite outrageous in my opinion. And I think there's more kudos in being prepared for a harsh Winter, from a financial point of view, and just taking the time off and meditating!
Ian_Giles texted back; he's been working but says he's spent a lot of time Winterising his van.
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It might not be a bad idea for a few local windies to chip in together and rent a unit where you can park vans inside. Might save a lot of dosh!
A Co operative water making facility could be incorporated...........................................
thats a gr8 idea really u know ;D ;D ;D
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Squeaks, why won't you answer your phone? ??? ???
I wish to discuss whether I'm a liar or not!
Ah, look, man; it's not that difficult. Get a roof rack, get some ladders, bucket, screenwash and clean windows. We've had it mild compared to other parts of the country.
What's your problem? You've had all year to prepare for Winter? Why not stop being feckless, and remember that if you keep on doing what you've always done, you'll keep on getting what you've always gotten.
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It has been proved that hot water sometimes freezes faster than cold but it's not been proved why yet, there are a number of theories. However ice cold water freezes a lot faster than warm water. Ice cold water I'm sure even freezes faster than hot water. Check the temperature of the water in your tanks if it's under 10 you have problems if it's under 5 you don't stand a chance.
Simon.
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It has been proved that hot water sometimes freezes faster than cold
So does that mean on the other occasions it's been proven that cold
freezes faster than hot?
;D
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Cut 'n' Paste from
http://library.thinkquest.org/C008537/cool/freeze/freeze.html
Any reasonable person would think that the hot pail would take longer than the cold pail to freeze. After all, the hot water needs extra time to reach the same temperature as the cold pail. When the hot pail finally does reach the same temperature as the cold pail initially was, the cold pail should already be frozen.
What Actually Happens
There are several things that help the hot pail freeze faster than the cold pail. Here are what is thought to be the most significant factors:
Layer of ice forms on the top of the cold water.
The hot water is more likely to be supercooled. This means that the hot water's temperature is more likely to cool to temperatures below zero degrees Celsius. In the cold non-supercooled water, ice crystals form and float to the top, forming a sheet of ice over the top of the water, creating an insulating layer between the cooler air and the water. This ice sheet also stops evaporation. In the hot water that has become supercooled (thus, no longer hot) the water, when it does freeze, freezes throughout, creating more or less of a slush before freezing solid.
Why is hot water more likely to be supercooled? Because hot water is less likely to contain tiny gas bubbles. Gas bubbles form from dissolved gasses as the water cools. When the hot water was heated, these dissolved gasses may have been driven out. In cold water, ice crystals use the tiny bubbles as starting points for formation (in physics, we call them nucleation points). But in the hot water, there are no bubbles, so there aren't as many starting points for the ice crystals.
Dissolved gasses also lower the freezing point. Since heated gas is less likely to contain dissolved gasses, it's more likely to freeze first.
Water in the hot water pail evaporates at a much faster rate than the cold water. This does two things.
First, the process of evaporation is endothermic, which means it takes energy for something to evaporate. As a molecule of water evaporates, it leaves the surface of the water and flies into the atmosphere. Thus, in simplified terms, the molecule converted heat energy into kinetic energy (energy of motion). Since the hot water evaporates quicker than the cold water, it loses heat energy quicker than the cold energy.
Second, since some of the hot water evaporates away, there is less water left to have to freeze.
The hot water pail will melt the surrounding snow. Later, as it begins to freeze, the snow around the pail will freeze back so that it more closely "touches" the pail. The cold water pail is then only sitting in fluffy airy snow, while the hot water pail is in a form fitting ice-crust. The ice-crust will obviously conduct the cold better that the airy snow.
Other factors, such as convection currents (the movement made as hot water rises while cool water sinks) may or may not play a role in this odd phenomenon.
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Did go out working unable to use wfp as frozen and tried squeegee but froze on glass so revert to mopping and polishing it may take a tad longer but least I was earning. It was just like the old days before the squeegee came. ;D
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Here's an experiment that shows hot water freezing quicker than cold water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjctACEmkbw
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Roger - you couldn't work because you weren't prepared to work. You weren't prepared to do what was necessary.
So to excuse yourself you come up with "rot". Rot as in it's colder in Chepstow than in Bristol because of the "River" - that's what you said. You were wrong.
"Rot" as in "I can't work so you can't work - you must be liars or in a warmer place."
Well some of us worked and we weren't in a warmer place. You were wrong.
And then you become abusive. ::)
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There are many variables to consider eg. definition of frozen, the volumes of water etc. And how they are applicable to wfp and window cleaning.
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Yep, I've worked today, was a right pain, but as said, a strong to very nearly neat solution of good screenwash and you can just about cope.
I had one day last week where it was as windy as hell and I was doing some big offices, absolute swine of a day, had on my nice warm Jokapolar gloves = thank god! - and was fighting the pole for all I was worth, pole sections were sticking together and the whole pole was crusted with ice...didn't dare turn the water off (flat out flowrate) as the moment I did everything started to freeze up, which meant feeding up to 60m of hose, 35ft of pole hose and the top section plus brush of my SL2 into the van cab to thaw out...that was one tough sodding day...but I worked, ditto today [all trad] and yesterday too.
Of course you can darn well work, but it ain't no fun, hell, you can always use a sprayer and a microfibre or scrim if needs be, you'll be slower for sure but you will at least be earning.
After spending more than I like on insulation boards to protect both production unit and van I'm also going the L5 route, even if only to heat the water in my van tank rather than use it as an on demand type system.
A constant flow of reasonably warm water keeps hoses and brushes in working order, and although hot water will indeed freeze quicker than cold water, it will also warm the glass sufficiently to enable you to clean it.
I've not earned much so far this week, but like Tosh, that's because I've wimped out rather than toughed it out.
Now its time for 5 hours sleep, up at 5am to clean the monmouth wetherspoons...which means a 6.45am start... :'(
Ian
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Squeaks must think there's a lot of liars about this time of year! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/evilgrin.gif)
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People who have been working have either been in warmer places or simply lying to try and impress.
It's not been possible here today, and I'll dismiss any claims it has been.
I think this says it all.
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Yep, I've worked today, was a right pain, but as said, a strong to very nearly neat solution of good screenwash and you can just about cope.
I had one day last week where it was as windy as hell and I was doing some big offices, absolute swine of a day, had on my nice warm Jokapolar gloves = thank god! - and was fighting the pole for all I was worth, pole sections were sticking together and the whole pole was crusted with ice...didn't dare turn the water off (flat out flowrate) as the moment I did everything started to freeze up, which meant feeding up to 60m of hose, 35ft of pole hose and the top section plus brush of my SL2 into the van cab to thaw out...that was one tough sodding day...but I worked, ditto today [all trad] and yesterday too.
Of course you can darn well work, but it ain't no fun, hell, you can always use a sprayer and a microfibre or scrim if needs be, you'll be slower for sure but you will at least be earning.
After spending more than I like on insulation boards to protect both production unit and van I'm also going the L5 route, even if only to heat the water in my van tank rather than use it as an on demand type system.
A constant flow of reasonably warm water keeps hoses and brushes in working order, and although hot water will indeed freeze quicker than cold water, it will also warm the glass sufficiently to enable you to clean it.
I've not earned much so far this week, but like Tosh, that's because I've wimped out rather than toughed it out.
Now its time for 5 hours sleep, up at 5am to clean the monmouth wetherspoons...which means a 6.45am start... :'(
Ian
thats too long a post to read at this tie of night Ian
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And then you become abusive. ::)
Ah, only on the interweb though. I tried phoning Squeaks twice and he wouldn't answer his phone. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/scared.gif)
I don't think it's fair calling someone a liar (and what was I lying about anyway?) on the interweb, but not being able to discuss the reasons why on the phone?
Maybe Squeaks is in real financial difficulties and that's why he's abusive? I'll let it go, but it's not good behaviour.
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Night night everyone! Got a doctor's surgery to do first thing. But my oilfilled rad is in the van; my IBC is insulated and has fed my insulated van tank and my bucket is ready with screenwash.
Night, night everybody - Sleep well! ;)
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Regarding the hot and cold freezing. Some one should do some experiments with warm and cold. As I remember the experiments I've read about before are hot 70c cold 15c. I'm not suggesting anyone clean windows this time of year with 70c water more like 30c tops. I'm pretty sure that the cold would freeze first.
Proof is that today I went out with Luke warm water and had no problems at all. 2 others in the same area had cold water and had problems freezing, however these are not lab conditions and I wasn't wearing a White coat.
Simon.
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Night night everyone! Got a doctor's surgery to do first thing. But my oilfilled rad is in the van; my IBC is insulated and has fed my insulated van tank and my bucket is ready with screenwash.
Night, night everybody - Sleep well! ;)
;D just caught up with this
I have my own theory's on hot, warm and cold water, but whatever I believe that squeaky wimped out and I find it hilarious that not only on this post but the short ladder one everyone is lying and because its cold where he is it is impossible.
feck me move up here and work march to october and you will be fine squeaks.
agreed I have been idle and could have done more, I haven't earn't a penny in almost two weeks now, but my brother has via screenwash salt and allsorts to keep him going.
but he has a lot more shop work than me, I am struggling to drive anywhere never mind park to do residential, be grateful and if you can drive work simples really
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To a certain degree anyone who has been going for a year or more have only their selves to blame on a few of points....if their tank is froze or they have no money.
Vans/tanks,reels, ro systems freezing.
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Insulation, heating element, tube heaters,webasto heaters etc. Removing vulnerable parts over night.
Static units:
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Insulation, heating element, tube heaters
Money:
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We cannot assume that work is possible every week..
Ok water freezing on glass or jets and poles freezing is a different matter. Getting to and from work as the road is covered in 20ft of snow is again out of your control.
High % screenwash dilutions and going trad to earn a few bob could be a solution for some.
Ok I know many will hate the fact that someone has the nerve to write this but there you go...
To my knowledge there have been at least 2 threads this year about preparing for the worst i.e this type of weather.
Don't shoot the messenger...
I have spent a significant amount of money on building a over insulated static cabinet, tube heaters, pulse technology stats...put money by every week for my slush fund...I would much rather not have to do any of this...and just spend the money on something else or just kept it saved.
Running a business is more than just cleaning the windows
The 6 p's >> P1ss Poor Preparation leads to a P1ss Poor Performance. Letting systems freeze in vans and in garages, sheds is a problem that should not happen...totally preventable
Focus your energies on that which you can change and for all that is beyond your control. Don't worry yourself into a early grave about it.
Why do I write this...all this freezing lark affected me big time 2007/8/9....
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Roger will be able to blame The River when he moans about his tax bill at the end of January.
And just to cheer everyone up, here's a pic of my dog by the River Wye...
(there's actually two rivers between Squeaks and Bristol (as the crow flies), which makes it even more freezier here)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Photo-0015.jpg)
He's really looking forward to Christmas!
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Any more kids want to have a pop?
Funny how your water doesn't freeze and mine does. ::)
Most who'm probably have less money than me, so I wouldn't get too excited about me being skint. I'm nowhere near, and my tax is paid. :-*
And Tosh, I'd already gone to bed, but if you'd only rang up to moan at me then you would been talking to yourself anyway!
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Most who'm probably have less money than me, so I wouldn't get too excited about me being skint. I'm nowhere near, and my tax is paid. :-*
We just assumed you were skint, since you were looking for a cheap ladder to put inside your van; therefore you couldn't afford a roof rack, or a decent safe ladder.
Apologies.
Enjoy your life. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/nerner.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/evilgrin.gif)
PS. Wor Lass says she'll show you how to clean windows when it's cold; you just need some ladders and screen wash. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Smileys/thumb.gif)
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squeaky LIVE IN THE SOLUTION NOT THE PROBLEM!! ;D ;D
either get an L5 or ladder/trad pole and screenwash and get working!or enjoy the time off and stop moaning!
come on lad!you ve been a window cleaner for years!you should know what to do to keep you working in the cold weather!
if your loaded why are you trying to scrimp on a decent ladder?
regards
dazmond
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squeaky LIVE IN THE SOLUTION NOT THE PROBLEM!! ;D ;D
either get an L5 or ladder/trad pole and screenwash and get working!or enjoy the time off and stop moaning!
come on lad!you ve been a window cleaner for years!you should know what to do to keep you working in the cold weather!
if your loaded why are you trying to scrimp on a decent ladder?
regards
dazmond
Never said I was loaded, just don't have any worries.
I've got enough float to get through this, I'd just rather be working and have more.
And obviously with christmas and other things to pay for I'd rather keep the cost of a ladder down a bit, seeing as it's only for a week's use. Otherwise it isn't worth it is it?
No-one even bothered to respond to that question anyway, so people can stop calling me rude.
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Any more kids want to have a pop?
Funny how your water doesn't freeze and mine does. ::)
Most who'm probably have less money than me, so I wouldn't get too excited about me being skint. I'm nowhere near, and my tax is paid. :-*
And Tosh, I'd already gone to bed, but if you'd only rang up to moan at me then you would been talking to yourself anyway!
Squeaky,
I`m not having a pop but what has how much money you`ve got, got to do with your water freezing?
And I think you are being too dismissive about some suggestions. Again I`m not having a go; I`ve not been out myself the past couple of days but that has been down to me; I just didn`t fancy it.
If you can`t be bothered (like me) to take the measures others do, just admit it and don`t have a pop at them.
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LMFAO....nice one Tosh.....even squeeky should see the funny side of that... ;D
I doubt it. The only thing Skweeky would see the funny side of is if Gold or I contracted terminal cancer.
My dog is cute though, isn't he? The little lad loves Christmas. He gets presents, Christmas dinner, and even some Baileys cream stuff after dinner; that alcoholic drink - just a little, but he loves it.
Unfortunately, Wor Lass says that even though my dog is allowed to 'drink', I'm not, because I'm a greedy 'bustard' with the booze! ;D
squeaky LIVE IN THE SOLUTION NOT THE PROBLEM!! ;D ;D
That's good advice, Daz. It's no good sitting in yer own poo wondering when the weather is going to get better, if you can do something positive about it.
I'd rather keep the cost of a ladder down a bit, seeing as it's only for a week's use. Otherwise it isn't worth it is it?
No-one even bothered to respond to that question anyway, so people can stop calling me rude.
Ladders can last for years if they're looked after; the same with roof racks. If you bought a roof rack and ladder, then next year, and the year after that, and that, and that - you'd still be to use it.
Sigh! It's like trying to educate a stroppy child who comes up with loads of naff excuses!
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Squeaky,
I`m not having a pop but what has how much money you`ve got, got to do with your water freezing?
Exactly!!! Did I say it? Look back at the thread. People like Tosh saying "He must have financial difficulties"
I said nothing, only responded.
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Van tank so frozen sounds like a bag of bricks, all pipes in van frozen, all connectors frozen, all hosereels froze, garage frozen, 25litre containers frozen solid, trolley battery and charger knackered, outside tap frozen, mains feed hose and connectors frozen, waste pipe and connectors frozen, RO looks like frozen :o.
Still, on the bright side it's gonna be minus 9 here tonite with a real feel of minus 13!
I've had heater in the van, heater in the garage, lagging round the outside tap....but obviously not enough...
Suggestions for alternative employment? It's getting decidedly chilly
TIME OUT!
You come on here for a bit of tender loving sympathy and you end up in the middle of another punch up! ;D
Just for the record, my van is lined, next to my house wall and garage, my pump is insulated, I have had a 1kw stat controlled heater in the back, an oil filled rad on full in garage right under RO, RO insulated... And I still have the situation described initially.
Mind you I have only lost 3 days so far since the cold snap.
It's snowing now, a bit warmer but will take another day to thaw things out. My next 4 days work are trad and will be absolutely freezing.
BUT... after 24 years of this - my next move will be retirement and I'm not ready yet.
FIGHT/PLAY ON! :o :-*
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Squeaky,
I`m not having a pop but what has how much money you`ve got, got to do with your water freezing?
Exactly!!! Did I say it? Look back at the thread. People like Tosh saying "He must have financial difficulties"
I said nothing, only responded.
Oh right, fair enough.
Maybe it`s time to enjoy the time off then. Most would sooner be working but if you`re not prepared or able to do so then you might as well make the most of it.
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Can't believe that you two are still at it. Its warmer enough now to work. 1c is better than -6 like it was yesterday. I'll be going myself about 11.
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Can't believe that you two are still at it. Its warmer enough now to work. 1c is better than -6 like it was yesterday. I'll be going myself about 11.
I've got a trip to the dentist with Wor Little Un'; leaving in a moment; and then on Friday I've got to take Wor Lass to the doctors.
It's a pity they couldn't have booked these appointments for when the cold weather was here. We'll be out working this afternoon though.
It looks lovely out there now.
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IMO all windows cleaners should carry ladders/extension poles along with their wfp equipment.
ladders will always come in handy squeaky for locked gates/the odd flat roof/conny roof cleaning etc so you ll be using them more than for one week!
what happened to your ladders you had when you were trad only?
dazmond
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IMO all windows cleaners should carry ladders/extension poles along with their wfp equipment.
ladders will always come in handy squeaky for locked gates/the odd flat roof/conny roof cleaning etc so you ll be using them more than for one week!
what happened to your ladders you had when you were trad only?
dazmond
They're too long mate. That's why I was asking for shorter ones.
Been fine without ladders for nearly 4 years anyway.
Can't believe that you two are still at it. Its warmer enough now to work. 1c is better than -6 like it was yesterday. I'll be going myself about 11.
According to the thermometer outside the house and the van it's -2 or -3 actually.
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well squeeky pip.seems like you make any excuse not to go out.
i started at 7.30 doing shops trad -4 then when it got warmer @11.00 which was then -1 we started using 2 poles,
didnt stop for dinner just kept going the two off us.no problem and we finshed at 3.45. ;) ;)
well you keep that different cold weather you got over ther must be somthing special than are cold weather in bristol
GOLD DID YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY. ;D ;D
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It was lovely round Chepstow today; no problems at all. I used ladders and screenwash; no probs.
We did a complex of 'granny flats'; all easy access; a lot of windows but surprisingly fast to do (no ladder drops; you just move the ladder from one window to the next without having to adjust it) and we both earned a good amount.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/Photo-0002-1.jpg)
Only worked this afternoon though; Wor Little Un is getting a brace fitted, so we were down the orthodontist in the morning.
Tomorrow is an early start with a deep clean of a local shop including all the shutters and signage; so I hope it's not too frosty first thing. Barrels brought in because I'll WFP and grit the ground.
What's the long term forecast? From the BBC weather site it looks like we've got good weather (in Chepstow) till Monday, though it's sub zero temps during the night.
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well squeeky pip.seems like you make any excuse not to go out.
i started at 7.30 doing shops trad -4 then when it got warmer @11.00 which was then -1 we started using 2 poles,
didnt stop for dinner just kept going the two off us.no problem and we finshed at 3.45. ;) ;)
well you keep that different cold weather you got over ther must be somthing special than are cold weather in bristol
GOLD DID YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY. ;D ;D
Not too good ... me ol mammy's in "hostiple" and the social workers think she's fit to go home but me and Gold senior (my bro.) don't think she's able at the mo'. So I've had telecons with the social worker and the occupational therapist this morning.
But workwise I got out about noon and worked wfp and tradded and gritted doors and paths until 3 so got some work done.
But set up to go good tomoz.
MIND YOU I'VE GOT IT WORSE THAN YOU BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY TWO RIVERS BETWEEN SQUEAKY AND ME (Wye and Severn) AND THERE ARE THREE BETWEEN HIM AND YOU (Wye, Severn and Avon) SO YOU'VE GOT IT MUCH WARMER!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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been toasty to day here in the deep dark forest ;)
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Tosh.....why did you not use wfp...just out of interest?
:)
I probably could've, but to be honest I'd have had to fill my barells with a DI and I wasn't sure if my outside tap is frozen up (it isn't but I didn't know that at the time) and I was just in a hurry to get started.
But even then, 'cos this place is full of elderly types, I didn't want water where there shouldn't be any (although granted I could've missed those windows where it would cause a problem (no-one would've been the wiser)), and/or gritted; so in essence, it was because I didn't want to faff about. I just wanted to get stuck in and get the job done.
Even on ladders, for Wor Lass and I, for a little over three hours (solid) work it pays £210.
I'm fine with that.
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nice one tosh 8) is that hanover court
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Workwise I got out about noon and worked wfp and tradded
Hmmm...are you sure? ;)
I worked wfp for 35 minutes before it froze solid.
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Workwise I got out about noon and worked wfp and tradded
Hmmm...are you sure? ;)
I worked wfp for 35 minutes before it froze solid.
bloody glad i did not come to chepstow today then rog :o ;D
i started around 9.30 and worked wfp all day here
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Workwise I got out about noon and worked wfp and tradded
Hmmm...are you sure? ;)
I worked wfp for 35 minutes before it froze solid.
bloody glad i did not come to chepstow today then rog :o ;D
i started around 9.30 and worked wfp all day here
Strange that! You're only fifteen minutes up the road from us; out in the sticks in Royston Vasey country. I would've thought you would've had it tougher if anything.
Do you think Chepstow is in some strange space-time dimension continuum where we have our very special micro-climate?
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Workwise I got out about noon and worked wfp and tradded
Hmmm...are you sure? ;)
I worked wfp for 35 minutes before it froze solid.
bloody glad i did not come to chepstow today then rog :o ;D
i started around 9.30 and worked wfp all day here
Strange that! You're only fifteen minutes up the road from us; out in the sticks in Royston Vasey country. I would've thought you would've had it tougher if anything.
Do you think Chepstow is in some strange space-time dimension continuum where we have our very special micro-climate?
its a well known fact that you have a special micro-climate ;D
its the two river effect ;)
seriously though, it was damn cold, but i never had a problem
just had to use my head as to where i splashed the water about
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Hovering around -0 here in Norolk today and I wfp up to 3pm with no probs.
But then again I dont live near the CHEPSTOW TRIANGLE WOHOOOO ;D
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I must have special colder jets then... ::)
To talk in kids-speak so you understand... whatever...yawn...
Not aimed at you Mike by the way. I know you're honest.
been keeping my kit in the kitchen rog, makes a difference :)
also working next to tomo who was going flat out ;D
he has iso in his water , but not me yet
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Could Tosh, Gold and Squeeky check the temp of the water they use and compare.
I think it will make quite a difference to how long you can work.
If you leave water in the van overnight and its JUST above freezing it will freeze quickly compared to water that has been stored inside overnight and is 15-20c.
I post this with a view to helping. I would hate to see Tosh or Gold upset! ::)
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Could Tosh, Gold and Squeeky check the temp of the water they use and compare.
I think it will make quite a difference to how long you can work.
If you leave water in the van overnight and its JUST above freezing it will freeze quickly compared to water that has been stored inside overnight and is 15-20c.
I post this with a view to helping. I would hate to see Tosh or Gold upset! ::)
We have been trying to tell him that for days
I think you have to do rather than tell with some people.
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Could Tosh, Gold and Squeeky check the temp of the water they use and compare.
I think it will make quite a difference to how long you can work.
If you leave water in the van overnight and its JUST above freezing it will freeze quickly compared to water that has been stored inside overnight and is 15-20c.
I post this with a view to helping. I would hate to see Tosh or Gold upset! ::)
We have been trying to tell him that for days
I think you have to do rather than tell with some people.
I think you are correct ;)
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Tomorrows weather forecast in Chepstow and next few days. No excuses now Squeek.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2888?area=Chepstow
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Tomorrows weather forecast in Chepstow and next few days. No excuses now Squeek.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2888?area=Chepstow
Was supposed to be no reason why not today, but it still froze solid... ???
We'll see...
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No, I don't get cold very often. Haven't been cold yet this winter.
Oh, and to answer an earlier suggestion... how can I bring a 400kg tank indoors?
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Sqeaky can you get an extension lead to your van?
If you can, put a couple of 300w fish tank heaters in, it will make a difference mate.
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in all seriousness squeaky the one biggest factor of why guys locally are managing to work is because the temp of the water being used is slightly warmer than yours and unless you can change that there is little you can do.
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in all seriousness squeaky the one biggest factor of why guys locally are managing to work is because the temp of the water being used is slightly warmer than yours and unless you can change that there is little you can do.
Nail on the head there Stu
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I've read this thread and it's been quite witty.Tosh got a bit sensitive.I think being called a liar depends what you are lying about, something serious or trivial, and as this is trivial it's wrong to demand a duel etc.
I haven't worked at all, but even those who have started late.i unfroze my stuff sunday, and had a stab monday but failed.
I got my first complaint today. Phone call why didn't you come- it's been too cold to work, the water freezes on the glass.
So you don't let your customers know when you are not coming?
Me: no there's too many.
This a job by the way that i was supposed to do at 8am sat morning.I know it was warmer saturday, but not at 8am.
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At 6.45am it was minus 3 in Monmouth and I managed to WFP the Wetherspoons there no problem at all.
One of the problems with using unheated water in sub zero temps is that the moment you stop the flow of water, the jets will freeze up in no time, and then the snap connector ices up too.
And you need a higher than normal flowrate too.
I'm going the L5 route very soon, no option if I want to cut out the constant hassles that sub zero temperatures keep causing.
I've also hit on a cunning plan with regards to keeping paths and pavements ice free...except I'm saying nothing on here yet in case my cunning plan ends out being more hogs bollux rather than the dogs bollux! :-X
I've done barely more than £200 so far this week, thank god it is less cold for at least tomorrow as I've got close to £350 to bang out...might not quite manage all of that though! :'(
........................... but I'll be pretty close ;)
Ian
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in all seriousness squeaky the one biggest factor of why guys locally are managing to work is because the temp of the water being used is slightly warmer than yours and unless you can change that there is little you can do.
what and his bucket of water as well ::) ::) ::)
if you read his other post he doesn't have a ladder, and he was looking for a cheap one that will fit in his van so that he could work
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in all seriousness squeaky the one biggest factor of why guys locally are managing to work is because the temp of the water being used is slightly warmer than yours and unless you can change that there is little you can do.
Probably right then. Thanks for the non abusive suggestion anyway.
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Ian has a point too if you use a higher flow and don't leave the pole out unused you can make the cold work longer
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Ian has a point too if you use a higher flow and don't leave the pole out unused you can make the cold work longer
I had it on faster than normal and it froze while it was running, not between jobs.
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Ian has a point too if you use a higher flow and don't leave the pole out unused you can make the cold work longer
I had it on faster than normal and it froze while it was running, not between jobs.
fair enough but what I would have done was stuck the brush in the cab and turned the heating on till it defrosted, It can be hard going and when it is freezing on the glass straight away I would give up then but not before, it is generally only the nozzles/jets that freeze. Also the hose laying on the ground try winding it in between jobs as the friction movement will help i.e if you normally unravel 100m and work back to the van then dont, reel out the minimum and reel in and keep moving the van, it is not ideal but keeps things from freezing
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Clean my own house today 2pm with hot wfp, after 10 minute the windows all froze up. I will be back to cold water tomorrow.
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fair enough but what I would have done was stuck the brush in the cab and turned the heating on till it defrosted,
I know you'll say I've always got an answer, but I did do that.
It got it working fine again...for about 3 or 4 minutes! :o
Honestly, doesn't matter. I'm borrowing one of two ladders offered me tomorrow and squeegeeing my way around what i can.
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fair enough but what I would have done was stuck the brush in the cab and turned the heating on till it defrosted,
I know you'll say I've always got an answer, but I did do that.
It got it working fine again...for about 3 or 4 minutes! :o
not at all at least you tried sometimes it just doesn't work if your tank water is too cold or the temps are too low.
and at least you are sorted with ladders if needed
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not at all at least you tried sometimes it just doesn't work if your tank water is too cold or the temps are too low.
God yeah, the tank was full of ice bashing about.
I could have got some flavouring and sold slush puppies to the school kids.
Hey! Hang on...
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Tomorrows weather forecast in Chepstow and next few days. No excuses now Squeek.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2888?area=Chepstow
Was supposed to be no reason why not today, but it still froze solid... ???
We'll see...
I would have to agree with you there Squeek.
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I started work at 7.20 am, it was -3.5 C according to the thermometer. It was a shop signage, porch, windows, inside and out. Everything froze on the signs and porch, but the windows were fine (I did those trad), and it was £50. I just gritted everywhere, compliments of the grit bin just down the street from where I live.
Then I tradded another shop inside and out at £16 (just a small job, but they wanted the snow they'd sprayed on removed, since it looked a mess (it was).
The modular pole I used froze solid; I couldn't separate it, but the jobs done.
I'm now considering whether I should use ladders for the rest of the day or the pole; it seems to be warming up but it's still -1C.
I think I'm going to opt for ladders.
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I'm thawing out my van, but wondering if I'm wasting time when I could be out with a ladder.
Might have to drive 10 miles to get it though.
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Why dont you buy one from b and q?
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Getting a ladder that closes to six foot is going to be difficult. I've a short one from B & Q and that closes to about 7 foot. I doubt B&Q sell anything shorter in the way of a double ladder.
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Omg by the time Squeek gets that ladder it will be summer!!
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Why dont you buy one from b and q?
Rip off mate.
And doesn't need to be 6ft, it's over 7ft.
And I've been offered two anyway.
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How high do you want to go Squeaky?
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Only the first floor. Anything else can wait or make do.
Like I said, got two anyway.
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So why are you not out there working?
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+3 here in the shade +6 in the sun ;D
Had to fill up via an inside tap but working at least.
The roads are like driving on a farm track with the snow and ice still lying and customers gardens still a foot deep in snow but hey its fine to work.
Nice to have hot water to work with.
My only issue is parking up with the trailer but managed so far.
Wonder if Squeeky has ladders yet? ::)
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So why are you not out there working?
Because I was waiting for the van to thaw out, in case I could pole. Which I could in the end.
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You prob don't need a ladder now it's warmer.
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Probably will do next week.
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Probably will do next week.
What's the odds this time next week you'll be on here complaining that your van won't thaw out?
Come on Roger, get out this weekend and get the necessary to keep your water warm enough!
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Good to hear everyones back at work today even you Squeek.
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After my early morning job I headed back out and my pole hose had frozen up; the cnut!
So, after a brief period of fannying-about trying to get it to work, it was ladders off and we cracked on. I missed any dodgy or awkward windows and reduced the price accordingly. By the afternoon my pole hose had thawed and we worked on as normal; leaving grit down in the necessary places.
I've five barrels against the radiator, battery charging, and anything that can freeze taken inside.
Tomorrow, one-way-or-another, will be a good day.
Squeaks, get that ladder, then at least while you're waiting for your van to thaw out (I assume you leave it running with the heaters on?), you can be working. There's always time for 'making love to yourself' AFTER you finish working.
Why lose another day while you're waiting for the inevitable? This could go on for another two-months for all we know.
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Probably will do next week.
What's the odds this time next week you'll be on here complaining that your van won't thaw out?
Come on Roger, get out this weekend and get the necessary to keep your water warm enough!
Why would I be complaining about that? ??? No different to this week if it happens.
And how am I supposed to stop 400kg of water freezing?
Carry it up to my house on my head? Give it a kiss and tuck it into bed?
I really don't care mate, I'm doing fine.
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(I assume you leave it running with the heaters on?), you can be working. There's always time for 'making love to yourself' AFTER you finish working.
And how's that going to thaw the back brainstrain?
It's done with a heater plugged into the house.
It gets worse...::)
And don't try and patronise someone who's been in this game longer than you.
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Sorry, I'm just trying to help, Squeaky. :-X
You're a bit grumpy bollox this evening! :P
But did you actually get the ladder? That is a bit different from saying you were going to get the ladder.
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Sorry, I'm just trying to help, Squeaky. :-X
You're a bit grumpy bollox this evening! :P
Well I'm sorry I snapped, but I'm sick of switching this on to find a lot of patronising comments towards me.
Not just from you, but other people who don't even know me and listen to rubbish you write about me.
Most of which are probably struggling, when I'm not.
Yes I've got a ladder, but even though I said I was, you assumed I wouldn't and try to get others telling me what to do.
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HI HO HI HO .......
first day back, bloody knackered had to record Jeremy Kyle ;D
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And how am I supposed to stop 400kg of water freezing?
Right, how long does it take to fill your tank in your van from empty? My thoughts would go like this...
1. Someone on the forum has put a 3kw(?) heater in their van tank; now I'm sure you could do the same with your IBC static tank in your back garden.
2. You leave your van tank empty, even if it means just 'peeing' all the water in there out; I'm sure you can work out a method how to get rid of it. You also drain any hoses.
3. You fill up in the morning with the 'warm' water from your IBC, with just enough water for you to work with, and at the end of each day you ensure it's all left empty of water.
Would that work?
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Hang on Rog! If you've got leccy to your van then why don't you put an oilfilled rad in it to warm everything up and a pond heater in the filler hole of your tank?
Cheap as chips - well £50 would cover both.
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Hang on Rog! If you've got leccy to your van then why don't you put an oilfilled rad in it to warm everything up and a pond heater in the filler hole of your tank?
Cheap as chips - well £50 would cover both.
Where Rog parks, he couldn't leave an extension cable out overnight.
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Hang on Rog! If you've got leccy to your van then why don't you put an oilfilled rad in it to warm everything up and a pond heater in the filler hole of your tank?
Cheap as chips - well £50 would cover both.
Where Rog parks, he couldn't leave an extension cable out overnight.
Why? And how does he fill his van then?
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And how am I supposed to stop 400kg of water freezing?
Right, how long does it take to fill your tank in your van from empty? My thoughts would go like this...
1. Someone on the forum has put a 3kw(?) heater in their van tank; now I'm sure you could do the same with your IBC static tank in your back garden.
2. You leave your van tank empty, even if it means just 'peeing' all the water in there out; I'm sure you can work out a method how to get rid of it. You also drain any hoses.
3. You fill up in the morning with the 'warm' water from your IBC, with just enough water for you to work with, and at the end of each day you ensure it's all left empty of water.
Would that work?
That's far too much bother just to start an hour earlier. Like I said...I know what I'm doing...I'm fine.
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I refilled my empty van tank this evening from my garden ibc tank all done in 4 minutes. No probs.
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Van tank so frozen sounds like a bag of bricks, all pipes in van frozen, all connectors frozen, all hosereels froze, garage frozen, 25litre containers frozen solid, trolley battery and charger knackered, outside tap frozen, mains feed hose and connectors frozen, waste pipe and connectors frozen, RO looks like frozen :o.
Still, on the bright side it's gonna be minus 9 here tonite with a real feel of minus 13!
I've had heater in the van, heater in the garage, lagging round the outside tap....but obviously not enough...
Suggestions for alternative employment? It's getting decidedly chilly
Still trying to figure out where exactly this went from a Pj topic to a Squeeky topic. Oh well.
What I don't understand from Pj's original reply is how he managed to get it all frozen up even with a heater in the van, surely there is something wrong with the heater, or not powerful enough?
The only time it wasn't enough for me was with just a tube heater. Now have a thermostat controlled van heater, which circulates the air and never a problem, this was even down to -11. No problems. There must have been an error somewhere, either heater failed or operator error.
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Squeaky how far from your back door is your 400 litre water tank?
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Why are you still talking about me? ???
I don't need any help with anything. If I did I'd ask...........a group of people who knew more than me. ;D
Someone's already said it was PJ's thread...
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And how am I supposed to stop 400kg of water freezing?
Right, how long does it take to fill your tank in your van from empty? My thoughts would go like this...
1. Someone on the forum has put a 3kw(?) heater in their van tank; now I'm sure you could do the same with your IBC static tank in your back garden.
2. You leave your van tank empty, even if it means just 'peeing' all the water in there out; I'm sure you can work out a method how to get rid of it. You also drain any hoses.
3. You fill up in the morning with the 'warm' water from your IBC, with just enough water for you to work with, and at the end of each day you ensure it's all left empty of water.
Would that work?
Putting heat into anything is expensive-Treat it like your house and insulate it. When its empty lift it on 18" blocks and stick a small rad under it, then box it in with building insulating board. Mine has been running at 7 degrees.
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Squeaky I was just asking. Just trying to help you out. I guess I should have thought of the time last year when Ian Giles refused you the use of his water and I offered to stump up the cash to sort you out.
Anyway, You dont ask for help you just come on here and moan and ignore all the suggestions with dismissive comments. Im sure you're a nice guy really, but you dont half come across as a total cnut (to yourself) on here.
No wonder Tosh sees you as easy game.
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Squeaky I was just asking. Just trying to help you out. I guess I should have thought of the time last year when Ian Giles refused you the use of his water and I offered to stump up the cash to sort you out.
Anyway, You dont ask for help you just come on here and moan and ignore all the suggestions with dismissive comments. Im sure you're a nice guy really, but you dont half come across as a total cnut (to yourself) on here.
No wonder Tosh sees you as easy game.
Appreciate the help if I needed help Matt, but I don't. And I don't know why people think I do. I'm probably doing better than half of them!
I don't care that it's cold. I'm fine for work. I have no worries.
Lets talk about someone else shall we...?
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>Jeff Brimble
That's a coincidence! I did that on Wednesday; my tank (640IBC) is on breeze blocks anyway and I stuck an oilfilled rad under it and boxed it in. I also have an insulated tank in my van which I dip a pond heater into. My hoses are a lot more supple and no instant freeze on conny glass. It's a good cheap fix.
>Matt
Some people don't want to be helped - they're fine!
F. I. N. E. - Feeling Inwardly Negative Everyday.
They look for sympathy and when given a solution they bite the hand that feeds them.
You can lead a horse to water ... ::)
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Some people don't want to be helped - they're fine!
F. I. N. E. - Feeling Inwardly Negative Everyday.
Yeh, you noticed that too. And when someone keeps on saying their "fine", you know they're not. Depressed people tend to use this word a lot I've noticed.
"How're you?"
"I'm fine!!!!!", said through gritted teeth and clenched fists.
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Funny little jerks aren't you?
Jealousy is an ugly thing, and it's really getting to you.
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Some people don't want to be helped - they're fine!
Why won't you let me help you then? as you're clearly struggling. Hence you taking it out on other people who haven't got any worries...
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That's enough now thanks guys.
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