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Title: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Justin lee on November 28, 2010, 11:27:04 am
Hi all,

i currently wrap my machine in a duvet (ah bless..) and have a small camping heater running over night to keep my machines from freezing up. Whats the most efficent small electrical heater and how much per hour does it typically cost? I am worried that when my electric bill comes it will be sky high as i have no idea how much they cost to run.. any help greatly appreciated!!
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: kerrmiddleton on November 28, 2010, 12:00:20 pm
 :D this is a problem we have every year , in scotland , best take out all kit  and put in house , when i had my truckmount , i had 4 philps tublur heaters fitted in th van on the ground , i hav a good friend who has a electricalshop , whom will supply you them. i had mine about 7 yrs now 1 , 2feet tube cost aprox 1.5 pence per hour, so it was costing approx 6pence an hour  for the four very practical and very safe to use , if your intrested or any on out there intrested you can contact him on 08006950144 ,or email alexanderselectrical.com, , cant remeber what i paid , i think £25-£30 each
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Len Gribble on November 28, 2010, 03:36:37 pm
Nice to see that you take precautions (gas) just had a SM franchise round in a panic (job tomorrow) K valve split will be lending my spare wand tomorrow what’s the betting he ant check his machine  :o 


Aren’t all bills (apart from fines) to the business tax deductible? But I do understand your concern  ;)
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Matt Seymour on November 28, 2010, 03:40:13 pm
I am in the process of clearing out the garage so I can get the van in there. I have a powerpoint in there, so will put some kind of electrical heater in the back of the van overnight.

What I could really do with is something with a thermostat, so the heater won't be going all night long.

Anyone know where I can get a cheap electric heater with a thermostat?
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: wynne jones on November 28, 2010, 03:50:43 pm
I've just been online looking for a one of those wireless thermometers. Some you can set with a temp and the alarm goes off. Just wondering of the signal will make it indoors from the van though.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Steve. Taylor on November 28, 2010, 04:15:14 pm
I use a little oil filled electric rad with thermostat argos i think a few years old now.

Dont get the van warm but keeps it above freezing so good enough think its 750w
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: John Milnes on November 28, 2010, 04:25:15 pm
I run an extention lead from the garage into the van connected to a fan heater set on low.

No need to empty van and no frost to clear from windows in the morning.
I think the cost of running the heater is neglegable especially compared to the damage that could be caused by frost and not to mention getting on the job to find a split pump head or 'k' valve.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Neil Williams on November 28, 2010, 04:32:09 pm
Electrical lead for me to a fan heater in the back of van.
Going by electric bills over previous years it doesn't cost much, and even so you can still put so much percentage of cost against your figures (if you work from home).
Another tip is to bulk out the back of the van with quilts etc, because the less 'open space' your heating the cheaper it be be.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Ajpick on November 28, 2010, 05:15:32 pm
I use a green house heater does a great job only comes on when it's just above freezing so keeping the running costs down.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Matt Seymour on November 28, 2010, 05:38:12 pm
I've had a look at the Argos catalogue and there seem to be quite a few cheap fan heaters with thermostats on them.

I'll be investing in one of those I think. Got to be better than dragging all the gear indoors on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: derek west on November 28, 2010, 05:48:09 pm
electric fan heaters, no fookin chance. oil filled rad everytime and a good tip. placky bag your plug socket, condensation drips into that could cause a few probs.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: colin thomas on November 28, 2010, 05:54:43 pm
I'M with carpet guy here, the cost doesn't compare with ruining your equipment for the sake of a few quid over the winter, i use an oil fillled radiator, never let me down yet,

colin
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: wynne jones on November 28, 2010, 06:03:41 pm
Same here Colin, if you have a truckmount you can't really use the fan heaters because of the breather unless it's plumbed externally.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Mike Halliday on November 28, 2010, 06:11:12 pm
I would worry about cold spots with oil filled radiators at least with an electric fan heater it blows the air around the van. I use a fan and aim it under the machine so it warms the machine but hot air vents all around the van
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Len Gribble on November 28, 2010, 06:14:16 pm
My van is bone dry so should not have a problem ;D
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: wynne jones on November 28, 2010, 06:17:20 pm
Yes I worry about that and have it higher than it probably needs. I was thinking of adding a low speed fan running constantly to move the air around but couldn't be arsed in the end.

It was quite bad here last Jan but usually milder than up north and being by the sea.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: derek west on November 28, 2010, 06:36:26 pm
oil rad on full so no chance of freezing
cost per full day is £5
amount of days a year below freezing, mean is 40

guessing that i work 30 of them so they're half days for the rad in the van, so full days are 10 + (30 devided by 2) = 25

lets say 20% of them days are only just below freezing and my van can take that so...

total cost of heating the van for the year is.....

25 - (20%of 25) = 20
20 x £5 = £100

here endeth the maths lesson.

phewwwwwww ;D

Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: wynne jones on November 28, 2010, 07:00:53 pm
£5?

You need a new tariff mate  ;D

Try EDF online7 unless you are on a meter you bloody pauper.  :P
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Paul_Ashworth on November 28, 2010, 07:06:57 pm
Derek,
I had an Oil filled on Full last winter and it Froze up and now use a fan heater like this one, The problem is like whats been said earlier the oil filled dont push the warm air around your van

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4152215/Trail/searchtext%3EFAN+HEATER.htm

Regards Paul
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Jim_77 on November 29, 2010, 01:29:13 am
It really makes me laugh.  I see this all the time, people are saying "I stand to lose hundreds/thousands of pounds of kit if it freezes, where can I get the CHEAPEST heater, i want it to cost me NOTHING to run..."

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::) ::)

For pete's sake it's part of your business to keep your kit in order.  It's an INVESTMENT made of a relatively small amount for a decent heater and running it for the 30 or so frosty nights we have per year!


p.s. why wrap a machine in a duvet and put a heater in the van???  You're insulating the machine AGAINST the heat that the heater is putting out!  Insulate the van instead.
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: colin thomas on November 29, 2010, 05:55:35 am
i use an oil filled rad and have a small fan funning as well, not a heater fan just a fan blowing the warm air from the rad around the van, it's always toasty in every corner of the van, costs pennies to run,

colin
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: derek west on November 29, 2010, 08:24:13 am
-8 last night, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: wynne jones on November 29, 2010, 04:06:17 pm
Fired up this morning at home to keep the things warm for when I set up on an awkward job today.

Opened the side door and where the condensation from the exhasust had dripped on the floor of the cab it had frozen! That's a 40 minute journey with my heater going full blast. Scary!
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: M.Acorn on November 29, 2010, 04:22:55 pm
Brought all my stuff in as normal,flipping pipes were nearly frozen this morning,had to stick them in the sink to defrost them,goes to show how warm my kitchen is,not
Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: Griffus on November 29, 2010, 05:16:37 pm
Just bought a couple of these: -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Honeywell-HR-40920TE1-Oil-Filled-Radiator/dp/B000NJXXZM/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1291050755&sr=8-5

they also do a cheaper version: -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HONEYWELL-2-0KW-OIL-FILLED-RADIATOR/dp/B000K9HXEM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1291050755&sr=8-2


Anything but oil filled and you're risking a lot more than a frozen pipe or two!

Title: Re: Keeping the Frost at bay........
Post by: colin thomas on November 29, 2010, 06:52:25 pm
i was down in cornwall late last week getting my tm serviced and with the weather in mind and due to the fact that i was staying until sunday, hm filled the system with anti-freeze for me. i admit i was doubtful as the forecast was COLD, set off for home on sunday morning and it was minus 7 and the van had been in an open carpark next to the sea! got back yesterday afternoon and drained the anti-freeze and put the heater and fan in for the night and kept fingers crossed.
 
today, all ok, phew!

colin