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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: concept on November 26, 2010, 09:06:13 pm
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An update for you all...
Spoke to Elliot tonight, he has been absolutely swamped with enquiries all day since the previous posts on here, which is great! Switched on guy, and I hope the product does well for him, as he knows his stuff...
Van is booked in for Monday, and I have to say, I am looking forward to having no freezing issues whatsoever, and the extra cleaning power of hot water.
Sad as it sounds, it's going to be like Christmas Eve for me on Sunday night!
Will update you all Monday night or as soon as I can.
Fingers crossed for some deep freezes next week! ;D
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How much all in Concept? And do they cut a hole in ya van for vent?
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seen this post now concept, How much have u got it for in the end was it £800? where do you have to go to get fitted?
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do you have to have a lpg tank fitted or is it bottle fed?
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How much all in Concept? And do they cut a hole in ya van for vent?
£750 inc Vat, plus fitting. Fitting circa £200, depending on individual set up. Mine is 1 man, delivery only, so hoping to keep it as close to £200 as possible, but different specs mean different prices.
Bottle fed LPG set up.
Van will need a hole in roof for vent, a discrete mushroom vent.
Fitting in Stafford.
Chopsie, I have emailed you some more info mate.
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cheers concept. Just seen email. mmmmmmmmmmmmm can I afford it :-\ Does he take credit cards?
Where u based concept?
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Milton Keynes mate.
The question is, can you afford NOT to afford it?
If it gains me a few days work to keep me on schedule through any deep freezes, paid for. If it speeds me up on 1st cleans, connys, and fascias, then, paid for.
I have no issues at all with the cost and the justification of it, as long as it does the job of course, which it sounds like it will, and has been tested enough, so, I am happy.
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so £950 ???
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so only £950 for a hot wash? i thought they were £2500, i might be able to afford it to if its that price?
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so £950 ???
Give or take mate. depends on your system.
Been advised mine should be fairly straight forward as its delivery only and a 1 man set up.
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does this guy have a website? or phone number
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http://www.poseidonproducts.co.uk/
Elliot is the man there. All info on the site mate.
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I have no issues with the cost either concept, Just i have issues with finding the money :P I really would like one as
A. it would solve my van freezing problems as i cannot get electric to it
B. It would mean i could work in colder weather without hose freezing up
C. It would supposedly make first cleans and gutter/con roof cleans faster and easier
D. It is supposed to be easier than cold to leave a perfect finish
I think I have just sold it to myself!!! ;D
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i spoke to elliot last week as i past some work on to him and he told me about this system.he does know his stuff and he's great chap to talk to.
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http://www.poseidonproducts.co.uk/
Elliot is the man there. All info on the site mate.
Cheers
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so £950 ???
Give or take mate. depends on your system.
Been advised mine should be fairly straight forward as its delivery only and a 1 man set up.
im just about to purchase a pure freedom diy 250lt kit. have you informed your insurance yet , and if so , has it made a difference to your policy price wise.
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Not as yet, but I am, sure they will take their little cut as they always do!
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just bought a 4.2kw standalone heater for £25 plus a free 15kg butane bottle, feeling slightly smug now boys.
bit cheaper than £800
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just bought a 4.2kw standalone heater for £25 plus a free 15kg butane bottle, feeling slightly smug now boys.
bit cheaper than £800
good for you fella :)
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just bought a 4.2kw standalone heater for £25 plus a free 15kg butane bottle, feeling slightly smug now boys.
bit cheaper than £800
Nice, where did you get it from? Second hand?
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Its not a water heater, Just a super serve in back of his van.
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I dont mean to p on the fire guys, but I spoke to elliot yesterday and he had to admit to me there is next to no difference between this and the L5 heater, other than it doesnt cut out after 17 min (which can be stoped if you cut the water flow) and it has the C.E cert, which only means it can be sold in the EU. No performance difference at all, HIS WORDS.
Now you can buy all the stuff and fit it yourself for £130.00 ss can you please tell me where the other £800 is going?????????????
Im sorry but you have just been ripped off.
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Says the man with an Ionics system!
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I dont mean to p on the fire guys, but I spoke to elliot yesterday and he had to admit to me there is next to no difference between this and the L5 heater, other than it doesnt cut out after 17 min (which can be stoped if you cut the water flow) and it has the C.E cert, which only means it can be sold in the EU. No performance difference at all, HIS WORDS.
Now you can buy all the stuff and fit it yourself for £130.00 ss can you please tell me where the other £800 is going?????????????
Im sorry but you have just been ripped off.
are you the guy that sells 1 house for 3x its value or whatever? if not, mistaken identity...
£130 and a load of aggro fitting it, no frost stat, cutting out all the time, no certified fitter for insurance.
personally, my days of messing around with motors, equipment are done. if someone can fit it for me and advise me correctly on its operation, and install, then i am happy with that.
if i had to rely on forums for lots of wrong info, how to run my business etc etc, then i would quickly be in a state.
supply + demand: my demand is for someone to tale away the stress of the supply and safe fit of a hot water system that willl provide me with on demand hot, and save my pipes from freezing...they supply that demand.
for me its a no brainer. for you it may be different. you may like men, i may like women...as long as we are both happy :)
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Says the man with an Ionics system!
Ok I knew that was coming. Look, I dont mind paying extra money for things that I can see the benefit in. ITS THE SAME AS AN L5. When I called Elliot my exact words to him were...."tell me why I should pay that amount when i can have an l5 for £130" he could not tell me anything, I paid for Ionics because of the finance package (i wanted a new van at that time) and the crash testing, also at the time I didnt have a clue about diy system or any forum to get advice, it was a one stop shop. point is I could see where my extra money went. I dont see that here, if im missing something then please tell me, as usual my mind is open.
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I dont mean to p on the fire guys, but I spoke to elliot yesterday and he had to admit to me there is next to no difference between this and the L5 heater, other than it doesnt cut out after 17 min (which can be stoped if you cut the water flow) and it has the C.E cert, which only means it can be sold in the EU. No performance difference at all, HIS WORDS.
Now you can buy all the stuff and fit it yourself for £130.00 ss can you please tell me where the other £800 is going?????????????
Im sorry but you have just been ripped off.
Does the £130 include all this?
Contents (Packages)
Proteus1 Proteus2
(no frost protection) (with frost protection)
1 Heater All that Proteus1 has to offer plus
1 Flue pipe, collar 1 frost stat control complete.
1 Cowl
Relevant fittings and hose
2 D Batteries
2 Stainless steel water hoses
1 Gas regulator and hose
1 Required vent
and of course does it include fitting by a corgi registered fitter?
I know I seem to be coming across as some sort of sales person for this system, but i am just after a good deal if I go for hot water.
I hate DIY for a start, then there is all the running around getting all the bit I would need to get an L5 to work, and then it would cut out,or have trouble igniting apparently.
Of course I would sooner spend £130 if it was at least ready to go out the box, with everything included, and a frost controller ???
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Fair play to you concept, I look forward to your thoughts on the result and cleaning with hot water.
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I want to know if they will cut the hole in the van and fit the flu?
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I dont mean to p on the fire guys, but I spoke to elliot yesterday and he had to admit to me there is next to no difference between this and the L5 heater, other than it doesnt cut out after 17 min (which can be stoped if you cut the water flow) and it has the C.E cert, which only means it can be sold in the EU. No performance difference at all, HIS WORDS.
Now you can buy all the stuff and fit it yourself for £130.00 ss can you please tell me where the other £800 is going?????????????
Im sorry but you have just been ripped off.
Does the £130 include all this?
Contents (Packages)
Proteus1 Proteus2
(no frost protection) (with frost protection)
1 Heater All that Proteus1 has to offer plus
1 Flue pipe, collar 1 frost stat control complete.
1 Cowl
Relevant fittings and hose
2 D Batteries
2 Stainless steel water hoses
1 Gas regulator and hose
1 Required vent
and of course does it include fitting by a corgi registered fitter?
I know I seem to be coming across as some sort of sales person for this system, but i am just after a good deal if I go for hot water.
I hate DIY for a start, then there is all the running around getting all the bit I would need to get an L5 to work, and then it would cut out,or have trouble igniting apparently.
Of course I would sooner spend £130 if it was at least ready to go out the box, with everything included, and a frost controller ???
If there was a "like" button for posts, I would have just hit it for that one Chopsie.
I am no Poseidon salesman, but for me it represents value for money, and as long as it performs, I will be happy. Of course, if it doesn't, then thats a different story, however, I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is.
I was in the process of looking at a new van and a Purefreedom system with isothermal add on...then I looked at that and thought, really, why do I need to put myself in debt for something that ultimately just looks a little better than I have at the minute?! I am no big player, and cant justify the extra £££ of pressure required each month to repay the loans on a flash set up, so..slowly slowly catchy monkey.
After convincing myself of the Purefreedom add on to my existing set up, Poseidon came along and convinced me not to spend as much on a bolt on as I paid for my van!
It suits me for where I am and my business is at the minute. I am happy to invest in it, no matter what forum poope crops up.
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I want to know if they will cut the hole in the van and fit the flu?
Yes...but will need to see what the finish is like with that, as I may need to treat it and paint it if its not to my satisfaction.
Damn...there was me saying my diy days were done :-[
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If you were to pop into Pure Freedoms unit and have a look at their system you would be surprised just how cheap their version is. It's totally different to the Posiden version. It's based on a Webasto unit which costs a fortune to source if you were to try building your own.
If I had the money I'd go for it.
The l5 type heater - does that need a pilot light burning all night to fire the frost stat up?
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If you were to pop into Pure Freedoms unit and have a look at their system you would be surprised just how cheap their version is. It's totally different to the Posiden version. It's based on a Webasto unit which costs a fortune to source if you were to try building your own.
If I had the money I'd go for it.
The l5 type heater - does that need a pilot light burning all night to fire the frost stat up?
number 4 answers this.
BENEFITS OF PROTEUS
1. Flow sensitive, Saves fuel, Ideal for trigger users.
2. Instant hot water, fully temperature adjustable.
3. Only heats water used to save in running costs.
4. No pilot light for a safe system.
5. Auto cut off devices for safety.
6. Independant fuel source, no empty fuel tank at the end of the day!
7. Runs independent of battery, no danger of a flat battery.*
8. Low running and maintenance costs.
9. Small and light, (no payload worries, discreetly fits in the smallest of vehicles).
10. Retro fits any system.
11. Fully approved CE certified.
12. Eco friendly (see section on Flogas Offer Page).
13. Complies with ADR limited load regulations.
14. Easy to install. (Gas safe registered fitter required to connect LPG).
God I hope these systems are ok after me posting this stuff.....I am only copying and pasting off their site though.
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just bought a 4.2kw standalone heater for £25 plus a free 15kg butane bottle, feeling slightly smug now boys.
bit cheaper than £800
Nice, where did you get it from? Second hand?
adtrader or freeads, cant remember now,
if i had the money i would buy the posiedon, but dont have £800 lying around, and can be bothered to drive 400 miles!
the thing is guys when its that cold, do you really want to be working when you could be snowboarding on your local hill? this new weather needs to be taken advantage of b4 it goes back to normal! also isnt there a risk of shattered windows and crashing the 15k van?
im sure i will be turned to the dark side of wfp one day when i have the cash, i just love tech! :)
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If you were to pop into Pure Freedoms unit and have a look at their system you would be surprised just how cheap their version is. It's totally different to the Posiden version. It's based on a Webasto unit which costs a fortune to source if you were to try building your own.
If I had the money I'd go for it.
The l5 type heater - does that need a pilot light burning all night to fire the frost stat up?
number 4 answers this.
BENEFITS OF PROTEUS
1. Flow sensitive, Saves fuel, Ideal for trigger users.
2. Instant hot water, fully temperature adjustable.
3. Only heats water used to save in running costs.
4. No pilot light for a safe system.
5. Auto cut off devices for safety.
6. Independant fuel source, no empty fuel tank at the end of the day!
7. Runs independent of battery, no danger of a flat battery.*
8. Low running and maintenance costs.
9. Small and light, (no payload worries, discreetly fits in the smallest of vehicles).
10. Retro fits any system.
11. Fully approved CE certified.
12. Eco friendly (see section on Flogas Offer Page).
13. Complies with ADR limited load regulations.
14. Easy to install. (Gas safe registered fitter required to connect LPG).
God I hope these systems are ok after me posting this stuff.....I am only copying and pasting off their site though.
Chopsie keep us posted I can't see anything wrong with that. My only concern might be how long it will last - who knows?
As for price I can't believe some of the top braggers on here are criticizing that. You can pay that for a 4040 ro unit.
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I will look forward to seeing yours Simon. (it better not be that good as i have just spent 2.5k on mine ;D ;D)
Ultimately it is hot water in a pipe. I am chuffed to bits with my hot add on from pure freedom. A serious peice of kit and i don't think i would be at all swayed with the 800 cost of this system just purely because its LPG. No need to jump on me L5 Users ;D its just personal preference.
The PF one as described uses the 9.2 kw Webasto heater and that alone costs near enough 1k. if you see all the other bits, wiring, pipework, controllers, casing, fitting etc then you'll see why its 2.2k + vat which to be honest i think is a great price.
The 5kw from pure freedom looks tiny compared to the 9.2kw. I just need to get my frost setting sorted on mine as its not cutting in correctly when the temp drops ???
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here are a few pics of me new system
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more...
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Looks good that Steve.
I was quoted £3000inc to upgrade my system with the 9.2kw system.
Maybe in the future when I might need something like that, but at the minute, it's horses for courses.
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i ain't knocking it simon. I was the king of DIY and have only really gone to purefreedom becuase i think they are so well priced for what you get its a no brainer.
I'd be interested in seeing your kit mate when its done
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as for the fitting maybe they never charged me more because i had my system fitted? i thought the list price included fitting. Oh well looks like i got a good deal ;)
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im trad and this wfp is strange to me. but i like the weird names
poseidon-the poseidon adventure
pure freedom-cry freedom
etc
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The Constant Gardiners.
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as for the fitting maybe they never charged me more because i had my system fitted? i thought the list price included fitting. Oh well looks like i got a good deal ;)
They say money goes to money...
;D
When I can afford the Purefreedom system, it will definitely be a consideration.
Need to see how this system gets on, as running a 1 man set up, and occasional useage I think will be fine, where the Webasto based systems come into their own is reliability, they work 24-7 in some applications, so it's a no brainer.
Looking forward to being able to sleep a bit though, knowing I am going to get out to work every day, rather than waking every couple of hours and looking outside, wondering if its going to freeze, should I have done this or that....
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Chopsie keep us posted I can't see anything wrong with that. My only concern might be how long it will last - who knows?
As for price I can't believe some of the top braggers on here are criticizing that. You can pay that for a 4040 ro unit.
Its unlikly I will be keeping you posted as funds probabaly will not stretch to it with xmas around the corner, But then again I might stick it on credit card :-\
Conepts your man, He is getting on fitted Monday.
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If the system all works ok for £800 fitted, BARGAIN!!!!!! :D
I'm with concept, I'd rather they fit it for that sort of money. ;)
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It looks reasonable enough to me. Fair play to them. For a f itted system they have to be the cheapest on the marke and that can only be good. Others will have to follow.
It reminds me of costings you come across elsewhere. When I first went WFP I bought a trolley system off PureFreedom for 1K now theyre less than half that.
Hopefully these heated systems will continue to fall in price.
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Dude who said its the same as an l5 without the cut out.
That is a huge difference. The cut out is THE reason the l5 is sitting in the loft and not in the van. The performance is fine, instant on and piping hot. The cut out defeats the purpose.
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Does anyone know if you can just pick the kit up from the place and fit it yourself??
Cheers
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Yes I believe you can. It says on website you need a registered fitter to fit the gas, so assume they will either send it out or you can pick up
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here are a few pics of me new system
hi steve i have the purefreedom hot system but it doesnt have the digital display on the front, is this just a reading of the temperature or is it something else
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How much does the Poseidon system weigh - including gas bottle, battery etc? I am currently on payload limit so would have to not fill tank fully.
Imagine you can't tell how low the gas bottle is and would have to generally carry a spare one (adding to extra weight).
Also be inconvenient if the frost stat didn't cut in because you'd run out of gas.
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I think the frost stat is battery operated only??
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I don't know much about these systems but thought the battery was used to fire the pilot light?
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How much does the Poseidon system weigh - including gas bottle, battery etc? I am currently on payload limit so would have to not fill tank fully.
Imagine you can't tell how low the gas bottle is and would have to generally carry a spare one (adding to extra weight).
Also be inconvenient if the frost stat didn't cut in because you'd run out of gas.
it weighs 4.5 kg, gas bottle will depend on what size you get. http://www.poseidonproducts.co.uk/Heater.html
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does the poseidon system use lpg if so how does it compare to the infinity lite
and is there an option to have a lpg tank fitted in the spare wheel etc
dont fancy messing around with bottles.
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just bought a 4.2kw standalone heater for £25 plus a free 15kg butane bottle, feeling slightly smug now boys.
bit cheaper than £800
not feeling so smug now, keeps blowing out, must be a lack of oxygen, gutted! will have to sell it now.
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steve cm
how are you finding you new hot system as ive been looking into one of these and seriously thinking of getting either an ionics or pure freedom 1 will the purefreedom 1 fit any system also what size is the heater
thanks
dave
ps great web site
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if you have two pumps on your system do you need to heaters?
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steve cm
how are you finding you new hot system as ive been looking into one of these and seriously thinking of getting either an ionics or pure freedom 1 will the purefreedom 1 fit any system also what size is the heater
thanks
dave
ps great web site
Great piece of kit. If you wanna ring me at some point I can talk you through what I know so far. 07921611814
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if you have two pumps on your system do you need to heaters?
Yes if your system has two pumps you'll need two heaters, I believe the cost for two heaters and a frost stat plus fitting is £1300.00 all in
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steve thanks i will call you in the morning
dave
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Concept How did you get on today with having your water heater fitted? curious as I'm hoping to book mine in ASAP :)