Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: RO-Sheen on November 22, 2010, 01:09:54 pm
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I was reading the thread titled 'New van for stepson' and was surprised to read that alot of you thought 70% was a reasonable amount to pay someone. By the sounds of it the van the stepson has is his own and not his stepdads. Is that correct? If thats the case, fair enough its probably fair. Basically it will be like renting the round to his stepson for 30% of its worth.
I currently work on my own as a self employed but am now considering buying a 2nd van and employing someone to do a round for me. I will supply everything from van, uniform and customers etc. What I want to know what percentage should I pay them on that basis? Hoping it isnt 70% because it will hardly seem worth it as I will have to pay for the van, fuel, tools and water etc out of my 30% cut!
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I do not pay anything like 70%.
If you work in VAT that leaves a measly 10% to cover everything else.
I believe it goes against my risk assessments to send 1 guy out solo.
I look to have at least 50% of a 2 man van leftover after wages.
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you cannot run a business with paying 70% in wages.
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I pay my guys 25% of what ever they turn over each day, but as I employ them they have a minimum wage basic. when its all said and done they each earn 20k a year give or take
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Thanks guys.
Lee, Do your guys work as a 2 man team? The reason I ask is if they do for example £200 a day per team, will that be £25 each (25% of £100 each) or £50 (25% of £200 total - Like Form B does)
Do you ever send 1 guy out solo and if not, why not? I notice FormB doesnt for H+S reasons.
Thanks
Adie
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Thanks guys.
Lee, Do your guys work as a 2 man team? The reason I ask is if they do for example £200 a day per team, will that be £25 each (25% of £100 each) or £50 (25% of £200 total - Like Form B does)
Do you ever send 1 guy out solo and if not, why not? I notice FormB doesnt for H+S reasons.
Thanks
Adie
Also I know from experience that it can get boring on your todd.....
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Thanks guys.
Lee, Do your guys work as a 2 man team? The reason I ask is if they do for example £200 a day per team, will that be £25 each (25% of £100 each) or £50 (25% of £200 total - Like Form B does)
Do you ever send 1 guy out solo and if not, why not? I notice FormB doesnt for H+S reasons.
Thanks
Adie
Also I know from experience that it can get boring on your todd.....
Good point! I have been working on my own for the past 5 years. I dont find it boring, because it was my own business but would imagine my employees wont be as entusiastic!
Another question if working in an area where one person can do £200 a day, how much would a 2 man employed team do (bearing in mind I wouldnt expect them to work as fast as the business owner!) I am guessing it wont be twice as much as a one man operation
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Thanks guys.
Lee, Do your guys work as a 2 man team? The reason I ask is if they do for example £200 a day per team, will that be £25 each (25% of £100 each) or £50 (25% of £200 total - Like Form B does)
Do you ever send 1 guy out solo and if not, why not? I notice FormB doesnt for H+S reasons.
Thanks
Adie
Also I know from experience that it can get boring on your todd.....
Good point! I have been working on my own for the past 5 years. I dont find it boring, because it was my own business but would imagine my employees wont be as entusiastic!
Another question if working in an area where one person can do £200 a day, how much would a 2 man employed team do (bearing in mind I wouldnt expect them to work as fast as the business owner!) I am guessing it wont be twice as much as a one man operation
That all depends mate, there are too many factors to consider. If you get a good number 1 with a keen number 2 on the right pay, they will double a 1 man set up. I have employed 150+ over the years and only had the right mix a few times.
I have found that the best set up is 2 man, tried more and it ends up spaghetti junction!
Being the owner does not mean you'll be the most productive, I can't get anywhere near my best guys. (mind you I am sat on here talking to you guys!!)
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I have a guy who works for me on his own, on average 3 days a week. He gets 55% of a days turnover. He uses my van and equipment.
Andy
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I have a guy who works for me on his own, on average 3 days a week. He gets 55% of a days turnover. He uses my van and equipment.
Andy
Thats a bit more like it.
At least he's treated like a human being.
25% my arris ;) ;)
£20,000 wage paid at 25% equates to £80,000 turnover per man.
Leaving 60K every year per man.
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When I've subbed work from others, I've taken 60%. That's with me supplying van, poles, water etc. That's 60% after their VAT calculation. It only became an issue for me a while back because one of the sources of my subcontracting wasn't VAT registered. When that source of work became VAT registered, the VAT was only put on about half of the (domestic) work due to the fear of losing the customers. This effectively cut my money by about 9% over all (17.5% x half the work). I tolerated this (with grumbles) and just upped my pace to try to make it up. With the VAT going up by a further 2.5% soon, I decided that I won't be doing this beyond the end of the year. I've already taken a (approximately) 9% cut and I would have had to swallow a further 2.5% after January 1st.
Making this decision could leave me a bit light on work next Spring but I hope to have canvassed enough by then to make up most of the shortfall. There won't be an issue during Winter because, even without the subbed work, it's tricky getting around it all.
I suppose if it had been that rate from the start I may have swallowed it more readily but it's more difficult when you get used to one rate and then it reduces.
I have no issue with the contractor. He's a decent guy and I fully understand his predicament.
Anyway, when you decide on a percentage, whatever is agreed to needs to be thought through if VAT is, or may become, an issue. This can even be the case for commercial work if the end customer is using the simplified form of VAT accounting (i.e. they can't claim it back).
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I have a guy who works for me on his own, on average 3 days a week. He gets 55% of a days turnover. He uses my van and equipment.
Andy
Thats a bit more like it.
At least he's treated like a human being.
25% my arris ;) ;)
£20,000 wage paid at 25% equates to £80,000 turnover per man.
Leaving 60K every year per man.
I pay my guys 25% of what ever they turn over each day, but as I employ them they have a minimum wage basic. when its all said and done they each earn 20k a year give or take
Thats some going. over £300 per man per day consistant over 48 weeks. Are they human?
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When I've subbed work from others, I've taken 60%. That's with me supplying van, poles, water etc. That's 60% after their VAT calculation. It only became an issue for me a while back because one of the sources of my subcontracting wasn't VAT registered. When that source of work became VAT registered, the VAT was only put on about half of the (domestic) work due to the fear of losing the customers. This effectively cut my money by about 9% over all (17.5% x half the work). I tolerated this (with grumbles) and just upped my pace to try to make it up. With the VAT going up by a further 2.5% soon, I decided that I won't be doing this beyond the end of the year. I've already taken a (approximately) 9% cut and I would have had to swallow a further 2.5% after January 1st.
Making this decision could leave me a bit light on work next Spring but I hope to have canvassed enough by then to make up most of the shortfall. There won't be an issue during Winter because, even without the subbed work, it's tricky getting around it all.
I suppose if it had been that rate from the start I may have swallowed it more readily but it's more difficult when you get used to one rate and then it reduces.
I have no issue with the contractor. He's a decent guy and I fully understand his predicament.
Anyway, when you decide on a percentage, whatever is agreed to needs to be thought through if VAT is, or may become, an issue. This can even be the case for commercial work if the end customer is using the simplified form of VAT accounting (i.e. they can't claim it back).
Thanks Paul for pointing it out. Im not VAT registered at the moment but will speak to my accountant about it and tell him about your experience. Cheers mate
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Only folk I have helping me is mates who I can trust,usually they do £200 a day so I pay them £100,don't take the mickey as when I 1st started out folk were fair with me and helped me out with free work and paying me a fair wage for the day.
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Used to employ on 50 % basis
But turned out he was rushing each job to make more money and getting complaints.
So i put him on an hourly rate seems to work out better
Worth thinking about.
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I have a guy who works for me on his own, on average 3 days a week. He gets 55% of a days turnover. He uses my van and equipment.
Andy
Thats a bit more like it.
At least he's treated like a human being.
25% my arris ;) ;)
£20,000 wage paid at 25% equates to £80,000 turnover per man.
Leaving 60K every year per man.
I don't appreciate the tone of that.
Also you are thinking about that backwards.
100%
-50% wages
-20% VAT
Leaves 30% to cover
Vehicle, Vehicle insurance, fuel, admin costs, employers paye, postage, bad debtors, equipment, telephone, rent, rates, electric, heating, bank charges, public liabilities insurance, advertisement, mobile phone costs, stationary, licences, professional fees, vehicle maintainance, non direct wages holiday pay and uniforms.
All of that comes before directors wages.
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I pay my guys 25% of what ever they turn over each day, but as I employ them they have a minimum wage basic. when its all said and done they each earn 20k a year give or take
I gthink he means 25% of their turnover which to get £20k would be a day rate of £330 per man.
Unless he means 25% per man per pair?? ie 50% of days takings.
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It would not be wise to pay a commission basedon turn over as if expences go up it will make it difficult to make ends.First thing to come off must be vat as you cannot pay a commission on a tax then costs and then ony commission to your worker.
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It would not be wise to pay a commission basedon turn over as if expences go up it will make it difficult to make ends.First thing to come off must be vat as you cannot pay a commission on a tax then costs and then ony commission to your worker.
I agree and do not pay on a strict commission basis.
Hourly rate with performance related bonus.
Calculated to equate to:
I do not pay anything like 70%.
If you work in VAT that leaves a measly 10% to cover everything else.
I believe it goes against my risk assessments to send 1 guy out solo.
I look to have at least 50% of a 2 man van leftover after wages.
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I don't appreciate the tone of that.
Dont you?
I guess exploitation would make some overly sensitive.
Lets hope your boys dont come on here and find out what they could earn compared to what they do actually take home.
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I don't appreciate the tone of that.
Dont you?
I guess exploitation would make some overly sensitive.
Lets hope your boys dont come on here and find out what they could earn compared to what they do actually take home.
;)
Little does he know my employees are shareholders and review the P&L monthly.
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Having employed over 150 souls over the years I'd like to imagine you treat your staff well, but having employed and lost 150 might very well suggest you havent.
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Having employed over 150 souls over the years I'd like to imagine you treat your staff well, but having employed and lost 150 might very well suggest you havent.
1 of my boys has been here 11 years
another 7 years, since he left school,
Window cleaning is not for some people.
Most of the 150+ that have left here did not do so of their own free will and accord.
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Gents, I really appreciate your help and comments, thanks very much but if you want to continue your banter can you do it on a different thread please? Im worried the mods might lock or remove the thread and I want to get other peoples opinions.
Thanks in advance
Adie
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matt 25% is a good percentage and if you have employed has many has you say you will know this.
we run a business to make money and if a window cleaner is earner 20k + EMPLOYED he is on a very good number.
a employee does not need to worry about anything apart from window cleaning and maintaing is standards and productivety(which seems very hard work for many staff or maybe its my high standards)
i mean working out all expenses i think RCW pays out £360 a day 5 days a week 52 weeks a year(we shut down for a week a crimbo so sllight lie but i do a bit in december to make it up)before we make a penny.
i would say25-35% was fair.
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if i was only to pay my staff 25% of what they earned then they wouldnt be on a liveable wage but if any have good enough prices to do this then i would seriously be worried about being undercut.
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Some of the stuff on here is like reading a copy of the SWP Newspaper.
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I dont know what you guys are on!!!! it seems only form b has the head screwed on!
Matt are you saying you dont think 20k is a good wage?
I send 1 guy out per van as this stacks up better than the 2 man option over a 12 month period in terms of money, even with extra vehicles, i know because ive done both
They each turn over on an average day £270-£320, one of my guys did £450.00 today with a little help from the gutter vac jobs.
Each day I work out what 25% of their days turnover is and thats what they get paid, as i employ them PAYE by law I have to give them a minimum wage basic, holiday pay and sick pay. I think they gety a good deal as it goes. ???? and im not sure why im being slated for that yet again.
As for the figures they turnover per day, just remember I employ them so they HAVE to work a full day every day, self dicipline is removed from the equasion, not late starts or early finishes its 8.30-5 every day, every week, they have a minimum target to achieve, just as in any employed job they have to do it properly or I find one of the other 3million unemployed people to replace them.
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bloody hell £270-£320 a day, Thats some going!!
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Not if you price right
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average 300 a day ??? 1500 per week, same as a doctor then.. ;D ;D ;D
cant really work till 5 now..
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Not if you price right
So the average house lee charge is £35-£40? 10 house a day and BING .
If so That’s excellent. :-)
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Matt are you saying you dont think 20k is a good wage?
20K is reasonable but thats all it is. Its far below average wage.
Im obviously not the only one who appears to doubt the figures quoted.
Like I said Lee if you're giving your guys 25% of their turnover that means you have 75% of turnover, obviously costs etc come out of that, but employing someone isnt THAT! expensive (P/L insurance, employers insurance, N.I., vehicle outlay, vehicle running costs, office space, holidays, sick (okay not sick if you can help it), uniform, filters, resin); what shall we say £60 a day off the top of our heads per individual?
Okay lets go to £85.00 just so we are sure we cover everything. Now these costs are spread over a year so we can call that 250 working days.
£250 x £85.00 comes out near as damn it at £20,000 and we all know thats highly conservative. Youve paid your bloke 20K it costs 20k to maintain him and as he gets paid 25% that means there is £40,000 PER EMPLOYEE! for you AFTER EVERYTHING!!
Even when theyre ill, on holiday or if its raining.
How many do you employee Lee?
This will put you in the 40% tax bracket with just one bloke working for you. Employ 4 Lee and you could be paying 50% tax.
Lee are you in the 50% tax bracket?
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Lets look at it from another angle shall we?
These guys get £20,000 a year apparently. Now that works out at £380 a week. Lets say they do 40 hours. Thats near as damn it £10 an hour you are paying them. But, that is only 25% of what they turn over. That means they turnover £40 an hour EVERY hour, EVERY day, EVERY week, Every month, EVERY year.
Impressive ;)
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Hmmm.... As 'ONE OF THOSE' who pay 70% and take 30% i will clarify that this is done as the 'employee' is strictly self employed - they supply their own van and fuel - i supply equipment and custy's also as we are still expanding the work is not a full week therefore we felt this a fair split.
IF and hopefully soon we take on a full timer and supply him/her van et all then pay would be different, most likely around the £10.00 ph mark + a bonus completing all work AND being complaint free - with other add ons for bringing in new biz etc...
hope that helps you OP
and girls ! O girls!!! - please play nicely :P
Darran
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at the end of the day, that really is exactly how I do it with those exact figures, our average job price is £20 not 30-40 of course not.
Its a combination of price right, organise in the best possible order, we use big tanks with high flow, thats quicker, our round is very compact, I spend money on top of the range equipment for my guys making their life easier.
Matt your workings out are exactly right but for the fact you missed out the VAT which is always the first figure to deduct from turnover not staff wages, other than that spot on, oh and the uk national average wage is £22.5k a year. I should mention that there job really is, turn up on time get in a van which has been prepared, get a worksheet which ive set out go scrub windows, come back fill van, go home. I think £20k is alright for that
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i rent several rounds off 2 different windys i completely run the rounds and sign a contract with them i supply everything van wfp every thing i pay them both 20% of what i do and wouldnt pay a penny more as it wouldnt be worth it its mainly one man stuff any gutter facia conservatory or patio cleans that come from them are all mine
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I would hope that was the case Lee, I wouldnt expect anything less from a business that expects performance from its staff.
But as has already been said, if your jobs are actually worth to your business 4 times what the guys are getting paid you are in SERIOUS danger of being undercut. The figures dont add up whichever way you look at it Lee, thats all Im saying.
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I would hope that was the case Lee, I wouldnt expect anything less from a business that expects performance from its staff.
But as has already been said, if your jobs are actually worth to your business 4 times what the guys are getting paid you are in SERIOUS danger of being undercut. The figures dont add up whichever way you look at it Lee, thats all Im saying.
how do the figures not add up? could you explain further how you mean??
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Steve just re-read my posts. Its in the last two.
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Im sorry matt but they do add up. im not getting into yet another argument with you. fact is businesses run in different ways, thats how I run mine and it works for me and my staff, we grow and grow every year so im not worried about undercutting at all.
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You obviously have it worked out Lee, well done. :D
I guess without your profit and loss accounts and your round books some will never be convinced.
I guess you won't make those availiable? ::)
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I have no intention Lee of getting into an arguement, just questioning the figures. No need to argue over it.
I have always felt very strongly about the levels people pay their staff, particularly compared to what they COULD still reasonably pay them AFTER costs and a allowing for a REASONABLE percentage for the owner. Theres a well defined line between a fair days pay for a fair days work and exploitation. Lots of the figures quoted on here are well within the exploitation side of the line.
A lot of people seem to pay their staff a pittance and additionally reserve the right to treat them with contempt.
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I would hope that was the case Lee, I wouldnt expect anything less from a business that expects performance from its staff.
But as has already been said, if your jobs are actually worth to your business 4 times what the guys are getting paid you are in SERIOUS danger of being undercut. The figures dont add up whichever way you look at it Lee, thats all Im saying.
I would say 25% is lower than what i do but not by much. The figures do stack up. i'm not sure about 80k per employee but i'm not ruling it out either. Sometimes workers don't want the hassle of running a business on thier own. Its not easy, my guys see the stress o go through sometimes and i know one for sure doesn't or couldn't do that kind of aggro and to build a profitable business is bloody hard work. You need to re-invest all the time so to think that your creaming 75% pure profit is not realistic. i don't know the exact figures but what i do know is that with this example its similar to how i operate and its not as straight forward as some would like to believe.
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to all these paying 20g a year, u got any jobs going?
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blue monkey I love that picture!!!! ;D
Matt 20k a year is not exploitation mate, I once worked in a job for 20k and I can tell you right now it was alot harder work with more responsibilty than any of my staff have, on top of that there are little things along the way that sweeten their deal.
there is no upper limit to their days pay, so if we jet wash a £1000 driveway, and we do, then there earning a good wage.
they get bonuses for picking up work on the job, or even outside of work through talking to people ect.
they keep any tips, im sure most do that.
we go out once a month on lads days out on the company for which they still get paid a days wage.
They have sick and holiday pay, I had none of that when I worked on my own.
to think that I pocket everything else is very small minded, just what do you think it costs to develop and run a business like mine???
And even if I did pay myself that much, im the one who started from nothing, on my own, no forum, no buying rounds, no advice, no wfp system, nothing but hard work and back to back 7 day weeks. I have always seen this as a business never just a job and I have lived and breathed it from day one, always trying to have the good idears that made my business grow and the balls to put them into practise Im not saying I know it all or mines the best, but those figures are the truth, they do stack up and just because other wc business dont generate that does not mean mine doesnt.
Speaking of which im at it yet again and will be off to a meeting with the local radio station in 45 min regarding my other little project for next year.
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How many fat cat window cleaners do you think there are "exploiting staff"?
This aint china, there is a minimum wage and all my staff get more than that.
Exploitation of workers is in fact, a crime, and as such any unsubstantiated accusations of worker exploitation may be deemed as slanderous.
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I guess if some on here ran Harrods they would want to give their staff a % of the profits and leave themselves with a working wage.
£20k is more than some make. For example the guy at our post office with 30 years experience gets less than £7ph from the franchise that runs the PO. I was embarassed when he told me, I'd just done a £200 + day.
OMB's have it good as do owners who have staff. On £20k most of the staff have it good as well. I imagine if they have new vans and top of the range equipment they figure they couldn't afford to do that on their own.
If the self employed OMB's work out the figure on their tax return rather than turnover they will have a better idea of what is a good wage. Add to that the staff have no responcibilities after 5pm and I imagine for many of them they dont have the 20 years experience that, for example, I do.
Some obviously know how to run a business that makes moneywith staff, some can make it for themselves but dont understand the economics of making money with staff. I put myself in the latter group.
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Lee how many guys do you employ, on the tools?
Form B trying to make out that you pay more than the minimum wage raises you above the level of exploitation doesnt wash. Its a dreadfully dreadfully low level of income to the point that it is insulting.
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and as such any unsubstantiated accusations of worker exploitation may be deemed as slanderous.
So sue me.
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I would prefere to not say how many people I employ as that with my figures gives to much away as to my income and business size, which I have chosen to not talk about on this forum in the past as it invites the wrong kind of conversation.
This thread was about % pay to staff and by giving my experience of that has turned into something else.
Needless to say I no longer work on the tools but full time in my office/unit where i am right now, I would say we are the market leading residential window cleaner in the areas we cover and I make a good living. enough said.
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lee it obviously works for you in your area and if you are paying 20g a year to your staff that is a fair wage but i still think your prices must be very high to expect each man to cover 80 grands worth of work a year as where i am based that would be impossible to achieve hence my percentage wage to employee being much higher.
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there are so many things that are unique to my business, and the pricing is one of them, as I have said our average residential price is £18-22, do 13-17 of those a day, 5 days out of 7 and it soon adds up to exactly what I have said. dont forget we do loads of con roofs, facia, gutters, jet washing year round also, all at much higher rates per hour.
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Lee how many guys do you employ, on the tools?
Form B trying to make out that you pay more than the minimum wage raises you above the level of exploitation doesnt wash. Its a dreadfully dreadfully low level of income to the point that it is insulting.
How on earth would you know that?
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Lee how many guys do you employ, on the tools?
Form B trying to make out that you pay more than the minimum wage raises you above the level of exploitation doesnt wash. Its a dreadfully dreadfully low level of income to the point that it is insulting.
Are you Ewan? £20k is not insulting, read back, many experienced salaried workers would be delighted.
you really should get out more
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Lee how many guys do you employ, on the tools?
Form B trying to make out that you pay more than the minimum wage raises you above the level of exploitation doesnt wash. Its a dreadfully dreadfully low level of income to the point that it is insulting.
Are you Ewan? £20k is not insulting, read back, many experienced salaried workers would be delighted.
you really should get out more
;D
Are you Ewan in disguise?
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Where did I say 20K was insulting? I said paying your staff 25% is an insult. And I still believe it is.
No Im not Ewan, I have a website, feel free to take a look, he hasnt apparently.
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Nice site Ewan.
Very professional.
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Not sure:
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/payments.htm
is a good idea when you consider:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7174760.stm
Just a thought.
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Perhaps this is relevant to this dicussion. I posted it some time ago in another thread. Remember that it includes everyone in work in the UK, so North and South, qualified and unqualified and is from the Office for National Statistics:
For the tax year ending 5 April 2009 the median gross annual earnings for full-time employees were £25,800... The median gross annual earnings for men were £28,300 (median:half of people were below that figure, half above).
Vin
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Nice site Ewan.
Very professional.
Thanks I did iit myself, which is understandable I guess considering your comments about it ;)
Its Matt by the way, its on the site.
I think that is relevant Perfect, thanks ;D
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Nice site Ewan.
Very professional.
ha ha matt bateman ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
being called ewan
ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Where did I say 20K was insulting? I said paying your staff 25% is an insult. And I still believe it is.
No Im not Ewan, I have a website, feel free to take a look, he hasnt apparently.
Oh sorry, must have got the wrong end of the stick.
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No worries mate
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Anyway Ewan aside,
you are probably right, paying someone 70% and covering all their costs would not be worth the hassle
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what a waste of my life the last ten minutes has been reading this complete time wasting crap. if i earnt all this money i wudnt waste my life on this forum as id have a top motor with chicks in the front and bitches in the back
xxx
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Nice site Ewan.
Very professional.
ha ha matt bateman ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
being called ewan
ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thats what I thought Mike. ;D ;D
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what a waste of my life the last ten minutes has been reading this complete time wasting crap. if i earnt all this money i wudnt waste my life on this forum as id have a top motor with chicks in the front and bitches in the back
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I like it ashbash!
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blue monkey I love that picture!!!! ;D
Matt 20k a year is not exploitation mate, I once worked in a job for 20k and I can tell you right now it was alot harder work with more responsibilty than any of my staff have, on top of that there are little things along the way that sweeten their deal.
there is no upper limit to their days pay, so if we jet wash a £1000 driveway, and we do, then there earning a good wage.
they get bonuses for picking up work on the job, or even outside of work through talking to people ect.
they keep any tips, im sure most do that.
we go out once a month on lads days out on the company for which they still get paid a days wage.
They have sick and holiday pay, I had none of that when I worked on my own.
to think that I pocket everything else is very small minded, just what do you think it costs to develop and run a business like mine???
And even if I did pay myself that much, im the one who started from nothing, on my own, no forum, no buying rounds, no advice, no wfp system, nothing but hard work and back to back 7 day weeks. I have always seen this as a business never just a job and I have lived and breathed it from day one, always trying to have the good idears that made my business grow and the balls to put them into practise Im not saying I know it all or mines the best, but those figures are the truth, they do stack up and just because other wc business dont generate that does not mean mine doesnt.
Speaking of which im at it yet again and will be off to a meeting with the local radio station in 45 min regarding my other little project for next year.
I wanna work at Pryors!
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lee your doing something right and has long has your staff are happy who cares what some think, your the boss you take the risk you built the business and you deal with the stress.
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just on the thread of the stepson.......i just found out last week that my ladders are not really mine after all.......yeah..they are my stepladders.....get it?.....right i am off. ;D
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I pay my guys 25% of what ever they turn over each day, but as I employ them they have a minimum wage basic. when its all said and done they each earn 20k a year give or take
one guy doing £80 k thats fantastic you must have all the best work well done
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edward did you not getyour point accross first time ;D
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u dont miss anything ron
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Jeez makes me laugh! all this talk of earning this much and earning that much!!! why does all the bragging stop suddenly, and earnings topics go quiet when its time for tax returns????????