Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Martin-Swinscoe on November 18, 2010, 06:20:29 pm
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http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2010/11/18/telford-window-cleaner-fights-for-life-after-ladder-fall/
Just hope the lad pulls through...
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really sorry to read that and he's a dad of EIGHT
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such a sad avoidable waste! hope he pulls through.
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makes me feel sick,you dont realise how dangerous this job is until you read stuff like that
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Sad to see a poor guy hurt
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sad to hear about this, hope he pulls through, makes you realise how easy it is to fall,
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Sad news, hope he pulls through...
Be extra careful...everyone.
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its sad two hear ,its time to go WFP for u who are still on laders
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I was just about to post this on here - He is my neighbour I see him everyday and speak to him nearly every week in passing - Im proper gutted he is a top bloke and lovley family! I hope he pulls through. God Bless.
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can ciu send a group mesage from everyone to his family thru wrekin window cleaning
maybe the mods can send a card
bob
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its sad two hear ,its time to go WFP for u who are still on laders
Not the time to start wfp v trad debate :(
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Very sad to hear, and I whish him to get better as soon as possible, let us all pray for him, on this holly day (Sunday)
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its sad two hear ,its time to go WFP for u who are still on laders
Not the time to start wfp v trad debate :(
It is actually. I feel sorry for the guy and his family, but you are facing this chance every time you go up the ladder. You can be as safe as you can be, and you can still fall of the ladder. It's only a matter of time and circumstance. I was one of the safety first guys when I was working off the ladders. Twice this could have been me. Not because of me, but because of other people being stupid. Murphy's law.
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thers two many window cleaners fall ing , :'( :'(
its sad two hear ,its time to go WFP for u who are still on laders
Not the time to start wfp v trad debate :(
It is actually. I feel sorry for the guy and his family, but you are facing this chance every time you go up the ladder. You can be as safe as you can be, and you can still fall of the ladder. It's only a matter of time and circumstance. I was one of the safety first guys when I was working off the ladders. Twice this could have been me. Not because of me, but because of other people being stupid. Murphy's law.
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Iam one of those who bitched and moaned and slated those who where Wfp, thinking to my self what a bunch of girl thingys and amatures they were, after all i was previously a trad window cleaner through the 80s and 90s before i gave up and moved into the building trade.
So coming back into the window cleaning trade some 19 months ago i stumbled across ciu and began to read about the girl thingys who left all those spots on ppls windows, go wfp, not a chance in hell, i had previously had 3 ladder falls in my time and got up off the ground and got on with my work (even have a scar to prove it)
Well as time went by and the more i was reading up on wfp i started slowly to be converted over, two main reasons actually.
1 The higher earning aspect
2 Every time i went canvassing i could see that the home owner had a, A trad guy b, No window cleaner and c, A wfp windy.
And the wfp windows and frames always looked much better.
So eventually i took the plunge and went wfp,and really have never looked back
My point is this. IT COULD EASILY BE YOU NEXT! This guy had a lot of experiance but look where he is right now.
Even though it was'nt the safety aspect why i changed to wfp, i NOW am seeing the safety aspects after reading many many like wise posts to this one,and iam glad i have changed over.
I just want to appeal to those trad guys reading this and say, please please swap over to wfp as soon as its possible.
My thoughts and prayers go out to this man and to his wife kids and parents.
I do not mean this is a bad way at all, but i wonder now if his wife and family wish he had converted over to wfp.
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So Sad hope he pulls through.
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Hi Guys and Girls,
Just a thought cant we all have a collection for this guys family as christmas is near!
If we all donate the cash from 1 job or any amount you like it may help !
Someone from Clean it up could sort it out I think , what do you think?
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Hi Guys and Girls,
Just a thought cant we all have a collection for this guys family as christmas is near!
If we all donate the cash from 1 job or any amount you like it may help !
Someone from Clean it up could sort it out I think , what do you think?
Im in
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I heard yesterday of a shiner around here who ended up in intensive care recently after falling off his ladder. He's out of hospital now but doesn't look likely he'll be back in the game, apparently his wife is very much against him going back out there.
If anyone knows the guys family mentioned by the OP please pass on regards.
Matt
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As said, let's hope and pray that he will make a full recovery, and his family will get through what must be a very difficult time.
As a trad myself, I recognize the risks, but then we all take certain risks in other areas as well.
For example, do we all walk and drag or carry all our equipment to work rather than use our vehicles because of the number of accidents that happen on our roads every day?
John.
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As said, let's hope and pray that he will make a full recovery, and his family will get through what must be a very difficult time.
As a trad myself, I recognize the risks, but then we all take certain risks in other areas as well.
For example, do we all walk and drag or carry all our equipment to work rather than use our vehicles because of the number of accidents that happen on our roads every day?
John.
We have brakes on our vehicles. You don't have them on your ladder.
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As a trad myself, I recognize the risks, but then we all take certain risks in other areas as well.
For example, do we all walk and drag or carry all our equipment to work rather than use our vehicles because of the number of accidents that happen on our roads every day?
John.
We all understand your argument and see where you are coming from, but not really needed on this sort of post.
Lets' hope the guy pulls through and gets better soon.
At this point his family would be grateful if he was well enough to take the risk of "driving" his car.
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Tim and Helen,
Points taken. However, please note the first line in my post.
John.
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there was a cleaner on a helicopter rescue programme earlier, he'd broke both ankles and legs..
not fell off a ladder though..
tried to jump across a river ::)
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They break the law and guidlines, and as the advert says "SHATTERED LIVES", do they take any notice, you answer?
I will stick to my system that complies with the law and gets me home safe every night, others make there own choices, and live by their choice
idealrob
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Tim and Helen,
Points taken. However, please note the first line in my post.
John.
It had been noted, just the bit that was not needed was quoted, I now see some other "not needed" posts as well , time for this thread to be locked please moderators. >:(
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I agree Helen, maybe this thread should be locked before this turns a tragic accident into yet another WFP v trad argument (not my intention believe me).
John.
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truth hurts eh?
it wont happen to me brigade.
we are not disrespecting this guy, but i hope people learn from this tragedy. how many more need to get seriously injured or possibly die before we get the msg!
i do use ladders very rarely, but i use a person to foot it, and wear a helmet.
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Locking posts is always a great idea ::)
Get a grip people. Let's just hope he recovers.
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I agree with Cozy, locking this thread will not make the problem go away; maybe it’s that mentality which stops far too many people from changing to wfp. “if I ignore the fact ladders are dangerous I will be safe”
I doubt there is a single window cleaner in this country who has not heard about wfp, everyone knows it is the safest option yet they ignore that and carry on.
Don’t get me wrong here, I feel dreadful for this poor guy but more importantly I feel sorry for his kids. He did not have to take risks in his job, but HE chose to.
MODS, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK this thread!!!!
Because if it converts just ONE person to wfp it may save a life and stop more kids having a Christmas without their father.
Good luck to this guy and his family, I sincerly wish him well and a speedy recovery.
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Well said Jack.
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He was just trying to do the best by his family and earn a crust,poor guy is obviously in a bad way and wont be up a ladder for a while,I think we should all sympathise with this guy and show a bit of compassion,he is probably gone through all the "what ifs" and we should wish him a speedy recovery not debate about WFP because its safe and he would'nt have fell maybe he had no other choice.
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Has anyone got an update on recovery ?
Darran
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Very sad, hope he pulls through.
Makes you think.
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I agree with Cozy, locking this thread will not make the problem go away; maybe it’s that mentality which stops far too many people from changing to wfp. “if I ignore the fact ladders are dangerous I will be safe”
I doubt there is a single window cleaner in this country who has not heard about wfp, everyone knows it is the safest option yet they ignore that and carry on.
Don’t get me wrong here, I feel dreadful for this poor guy but more importantly I feel sorry for his kids. He did not have to take risks in his job, but HE chose to.
MODS, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK this thread!!!!
Because if it converts just ONE person to wfp it may save a life and stop more kids having a Christmas without their father.
Good luck to this guy and his family, I sincerly wish him well and a speedy recovery.
Jack,
I'm with you every inch of the way on working safely and minimising risk, getting it across to people that ladder work of any sort can be dangerous.
The point I was trying to make was that this is yet another tragedy reported and the thread was not about "do's and don'ts", "rights and wrongs", "choices", "wfp V trad", "people trying to jump rivers", " i do it the right way" "he used a ladder so he deserved it" inferences"!
There are other many many threads that cover this.
The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives.
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I agree with Cozy, locking this thread will not make the problem go away; maybe it’s that mentality which stops far too many people from changing to wfp. “if I ignore the fact ladders are dangerous I will be safe”
I doubt there is a single window cleaner in this country who has not heard about wfp, everyone knows it is the safest option yet they ignore that and carry on.
Don’t get me wrong here, I feel dreadful for this poor guy but more importantly I feel sorry for his kids. He did not have to take risks in his job, but HE chose to.
MODS, PLEASE DO NOT LOCK this thread!!!!
Because if it converts just ONE person to wfp it may save a life and stop more kids having a Christmas without their father.
Good luck to this guy and his family, I sincerly wish him well and a speedy recovery.
Jack,
I'm with you every inch of the way on working safely and minimising risk, getting it across to people that ladder work of any sort can be dangerous.
The point I was trying to make was that this is yet another tragedy reported and the thread was not about "do's and don'ts", "rights and wrongs", "choices", "wfp V trad", "people trying to jump rivers", " i do it the right way" "he used a ladder so he deserved it" inferences"!
There are other many many threads that cover this.
The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives.
I see your point Helen but this is forum not a post it note.
A forum is “an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages” (Wikipedia)
The whole purpose of a conversation is for it to progress and explore, if you were in a pub with friends and someone said something had happened to someone you knew you would not say “oh dear how sad, now let’s move on to another pub so we can discuss the implications of what happened.
If this thread ends up discussing world poverty or the best rubber for your squeegee I don’t see the problem. That’s what conversations do. It in no way detracts from the gravity of what has happened or shows a lack of respect or concern; it’s just normal conversation by normal people.
As you rightly pointed out “The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives. “
And the fact we are now having this “conversation” is keeping the post bumped to the top, hopefully it has also become somewhat interesting, and still topical! so more people will read it and think maybe I should re-consider wfp,
If this conversation makes just one person sit up and think, it was worthwhile.
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thoughts to his family. get well soon mate!
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I see your point Helen but this is forum not a post it note.
A forum is “an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages” (Wikipedia)
The whole purpose of a conversation is for it to progress and explore, if you were in a pub with friends and someone said something had happened to someone you knew you would not say “oh dear how sad, now let’s move on to another pub so we can discuss the implications of what happened.
If this thread ends up discussing world poverty or the best rubber for your squeegee I don’t see the problem. That’s what conversations do. It in no way detracts from the gravity of what has happened or shows a lack of respect or concern; it’s just normal conversation by normal people.
As you rightly pointed out “The thread is about someone, who was trying to do right by his family, who may now die, who may have serious damage to his body and /or brain if he survives. “
And the fact we are now having this “conversation” is keeping the post bumped to the top, hopefully it has also become somewhat interesting, and still topical! so more people will read it and think maybe I should re-consider wfp,
If this conversation makes just one person sit up and think, it was worthwhile.
Very good point. Needed saying. Locking posts is bad. We are all grown-ups, and nearly all of us are window cleaners. Discussion is good. I see what Helen means, but in this case, let the people discuss :)