Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on November 16, 2010, 08:05:06 am
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i got some bags of cheap table salt the other day and sprinkled a bit on the odd pathway yesterday and the custies seemed well pleased i was doing this.do you guys do the same?
its icy here in manchester.i only do it on the odd doorway where there is a window directly above it.
dazmond
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yes it keeps the peace
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Ye. We use something called ice melt, melt's ice twice as quick as normal road salt and its quite cheap too.
Andy
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no, if the weather is that cold that it starts to freeze the water i go home, i am wimp lol
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blue monkey its frosty and icy out there at present but ill be starting at 930 on domestics.what about for eg i worked until 445pm yesterday and it was dark by the time id packed up.there were 2 windows directly above 2 doorways and a bit of a puddle in front of both doors.it took less than a minute to throw a bit of salt down and the custies really were pleased about it.by the time i got home(515pm)everywhere was starting to freeze.
is it your first winter window cleaning blue monkey?its my 17th!first one using wfp though!
dazmond
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We carry floor squeegees for excess water then salt the path.
Only takes a minute.
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im a wimp if its icey i never go out lol ;D my body hates the cold :-[ but having no car/van this week i had to walk and if i had salt today i would of done the paths, some kids going up the steep hill will get hurt and to make matters worse they cant see danger, going down the hill on scooters lol
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no it is my second dazmond, i try to not to use a load of water on paths, if any thing i will leave the door or do with a cloth depending on how cold it is, but in my eyes u r admiting liabiality if some one falls, as if they sue all the laywers will say is ur must of knew it was dangerous by putting salt down
its like xmas, some will work up to xmas eve, i stop around the 15 as spend all year saving up so i can have some time off when the weather is really bad
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If you grit a path the owner of the property will be liable
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I do salt the odd path and the odd flat roof...mainly for my own safety...
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where in manchester are you Dazmond,Mate skidded on some Ice in whalley range yesterday morning.Today I offered to salt paths but most declined.
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You’re admitting liability by putting salt down.
Tripe surpassing even your best efforts, Ewan.
Vin
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Its law dickhead
Touched a nerve, Ewan? Trolling not the fun it used to be?
Vin
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No, just a normal reaction to, complete stupidity.
Preserving this before you delete your post.
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You’re admitting liability by putting salt down.
IMO then by the same reasoning, you are admitting liability for a trip hazard if you put warning signs/cones up - and the Government is admitting liability for making a road with a sharp bend by putting a warning sign up as well.
I always ask permission off the home owner before salting paths as some are blaming salt for damaging their paving. If someone slips on a frozen path, how do they know it was your water to blame - how can they tell the difference between your water and rain water?
Spruce
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what has happened to ewan posts,?
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We went through all this last year and the year before.
Last year I posted links that say if you cause a risk you should minimize that risk through the use of salt etc. or take away the risk and Trad it if safe to do so.
I am not searching again.
I also posted a link that say's the house owner has a duty of care to make safe access for tradesmen visiting their property's
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what has happened to ewan posts,?
He posts, argues, then deletes, as people in the past looked through his old posts and noticed gross self-contradiction. If you're interested enough to highlight the crass nature of most of his rants, please do remember to quote his words or the thread becomes unreadable when he self-censors.
He's just a typical internet troll; I do try to ignore him but when he posts cretinous factual inaccuracies like the one above, it's worth pointing it out in case anyone's taken in by it. The problem is that he posts positively ludicrous advice sometimes but couches it in terms such that people might believe him.
Many people on here believe that he's not even a windy. Evidence has been requested, but I believe he's never posted any at all.
Vin
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If you go to Wickes they sell sacks of road grit but get it now before a big freeze comes otherwise it will be all gone.
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what has happened to ewan posts,?
He posts, argues, then deletes, as people in the past looked through his old posts and noticed gross self-contradiction. If you're interested enough to highlight the crass nature of most of his rants, please do remember to quote his words or the thread becomes unreadable when he self-censors.
He's just a typical internet troll; I do try to ignore him but when he posts cretinous factual inaccuracies like the one above, it's worth pointing it out in case anyone's taken in by it. The problem is that he posts positively ludicrous advice sometimes but couches it in terms such that people might believe him.
Many people on here believe that he's not even a windy. Evidence has been requested, but I believe he's never posted any at all.
Vin
Or it could be dickheads like you, are unable to read what’s written without putting your own spin on it.
I originally posted my opinion in a single sentence. You’re a troll dickhead, not me look at the rant you are having now.
Just saving his post. I really do seem to be touching a raw nerve today...
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give it a break, this vin vs ewan is boring :'(
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give it a break, this vin vs ewan is boring :'(
Stu Mac, you're right. I shouldn't be feeding him. I'll leave him be for a while.
Vin
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You’re admitting liability by putting salt down.
IMO then by the same reasoning, you are admitting liability for a trip hazard if you put warning signs/cones up - and the Government is admitting liability for making a road with a sharp bend by putting a warning sign up as well.
I always ask permission off the home owner before salting paths as some are blaming salt for damaging their paving. If someone slips on a frozen path, how do they know it was your water to blame - how can they tell the difference between your water and rain water?
Spruce
totally different im afraid. according to the HSE you should never clear a neighbours path . they gave the following reason on BBC news last winter. if you DONT clear the pathway of a neighbours property , the postman etc would walk carefully up the pathway. if its been cleared the postman etc may think it may of been gritted as well and should they go ar5e over t*t then they can claim against the home owner. personally i would ask the customer if they wanted anything putting down
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i really cant believe some of you guys!!i really dont think salting/gritting the odd pathway would end up with you in court if one of your custies slipped!its just common sense IMO and shows that you care about your custies and your business in general.
as for ewan i really think he s got a personality disorder and could do with a bit of help but not through a computer screen.
dazmond
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You’re admitting liability by putting salt down.
That is true,.. but any judge who doesn't receive a hefty brown envelope will see that the case is clear,.. you knew it was cold, you splashed water everywhere, you did nothing about it = its your fault someone slipped & fell.
At least by putting salt down you show you are aware of the risks (you did a sub-zero assessment of course) and took reasonable precautions to minimise risks to yourself & the public.
Personally I use about 2kg of salt per 3 bed semi house (Get it cheap in a farmers co-op or lidl), as I find it does take rather a lot to be sure no ice will form. Tradding the front door in icy conditions is also a sensible precaution.
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the consequences of a fall are big,long lasting . compensation will Always be in the mind.
take my own mum-she fell when out walking in a local park when a dog bounded past her and she ended up with a new hip. mum was onto a solicitors phone line immediately and the solicitor was up all evening trying to research his case . was there a park notice about dogs-on-leads ?and what have you.
in my mums case the solicitor doubted he could win so it went no further.mums been sour ever since which has been bloomin annoying for the rest of the family
( even in milder weather water makes front paths slippy .bear in mind some people love drama and may even fake a fall - my ex sis-in-law once threw herself under a bus ,but not fully under, a short hospital stay and a few grand later she had a marvellous holiday in Kenya. id guess theres a fair few of these types about,looking for opportunity
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and ive just now remembered yet another ,recent one. a customer of mine rang me up to make other arrangements for paying me as she cant get to the front door due to breaking BOTH her ankles in a fall. AS IM TRAD it cant possibly be anything to do with me ,but if i was WFP ............ well it makes you think doesnt it
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we dont have any odd driveways/pathways up here (maybe your customers are using a cowboy firm) so i cant answer that one......all our driveways/pathways are perfectly formed. :)
Trigger
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if its that cold it froze while i'm there
i will call it a day
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you can get salt/grit from netto 5 kg sacks i think £5.50 might get a couple then again there is a grit box near my house but i always avoid cleaning doors in freezing temps