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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee GLS on November 09, 2010, 10:00:37 pm
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is it really necessary to clean the top of the frame on first clean. i have been wfp'ing for a few weeks and have been cleaning the frames first then coming back and doing the glass.
I have then been reading posts on here that people then dont really clean the tops of the frames on subsequent cleans so as not to cause problems with dirt running sown the glass from the top of the frame, you then have the windows with the vents which are just a dirt trap and can cause problems on first cleans if they are cleaned.
I not trying to say dont clean the tops or that i know more than the experienced guys who have been using wfp for years, but can someone tell me why it is benificial to clean the tops of the frames?
Lee
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some cleaners stop at the bottom of the top frame. I've knocked an area recently and noticed that many of the windows were the same - clean glass and side/bottom frame, top frames and vents were minging, proper dirty, windows on the ground floor too. I do clean the whole frame, if it's really black i'll get up a ladder for the first time, clean all the muck off and from then on no probs. I'm no expert but thats what I've found and it works for me.
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some cleaners stop at the bottom of the top frame. I've knocked an area recently and noticed that many of the windows were the same - clean glass and side/bottom frame, top frames and vents were minging, proper dirty, windows on the ground floor too. I do clean the whole frame, if it's really black i'll get up a ladder for the first time, clean all the muck off and from then on no probs. I'm no expert but thats what I've found and it works for me.
do you clean the whole frame every time?
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some cleaners stop at the bottom of the top frame. I've knocked an area recently and noticed that many of the windows were the same - clean glass and side/bottom frame, top frames and vents were minging, proper dirty, windows on the ground floor too. I do clean the whole frame, if it's really black i'll get up a ladder for the first time, clean all the muck off and from then on no probs. I'm no expert but thats what I've found and it works for me.
do you clean the whole frame every time?
yes and no, i spend the time on the first 2 cleans, try and get all the green off and as clean as poss, same on second one and after that it is just a quick splash and dash really ;D i get the windows clean but dont take as long,as the dirt is only a month old, so comes off easy
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if I'm honest I don't always do the vent on the 1st floor, I wipe the vent on the ground floor with a microfibre and do the rest of the frames as normal. I probably faff about a bit to get it right but at the moment thats more important to me than hyper speed. Still, I don't do too bad ;)
Tom
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the thing is if you leave the tops, your going to have to do them eventually, then your really going to have runs, so do tops, then rest, then pane, and come back for an extra rinse at the end of all the windows.
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dirty windows, do you do the tops each time?
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Think Quality - not quantity!
The advantage of WFP is you clean the whole thing - glass and frame - if you dont then you are asking for trouble down
the line.
Most dirt is at the top, around the vent and on the top edge of the frame - clean it and clean it well and you will get less spotting.
I have seen too mant posts about people not cleaning the frames properly and then bemoaning theat they are getting runs and spotting.
WFP is a fab tool for cleaning, but like everything else it has to be used properly.
Darran
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I never do the top frame, never have in 6.5 years of wfp. Never had a complaint or request to do them. First cleans are a doddle! ;)
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some cleaners stop at the bottom of the top frame. I've knocked an area recently and noticed that many of the windows were the same - clean glass and side/bottom frame, top frames and vents were minging, proper dirty, windows on the ground floor too. I do clean the whole frame, if it's really black i'll get up a ladder for the first time, clean all the muck off and from then on no probs. I'm no expert but thats what I've found and it works for me.
do you clean the whole frame every time?
Yes clean all of the frame and windows all the time.
If you put yourself in the customers place and you assume that you are paying for all the entire window and frames to be cleaned on every visit.
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PS - yes i do the tops EVERY TIME
Darran
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Think Quality - not quantity!
im not trying to do the quickest job possible, i do want to do the best job possible, i just wanted to see what you all do with the tops, because it seemed strange to put all that effort in to first cleans to get the tops clean just to not do it again and let it get dirty
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the thing is all my work is mostly 8weeks, so theres always a noticeable film of dirt there so yes. i spose if it was weekly or 4 weekly you might get away with it?
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I have done the top frame every time for quite a few months now. I started out missing them after a lot on here said do not do them after first clean. Then i got called back to 2 houses that had runs/spots, all came from vents and top frame after water splashed up after I was experimenting having pencil jets on high flow rinsing off glass. I now have a high flow with fan jets and rinse on glass and clean top frame every time. Had no complaints as of yet.
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i clean allround frame inc the top and vent and i find on subsequent cleans that its a breeze to just swipe over a couple of times and rinse from top around vent and then down and seems to work well - no complaints :)
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i spose wiping the tops with a towel is best, but ive been ok so far,
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Get all the dirt off everything on the first clean, and charge accordingly...
then its a doddle every month, and you know you have got all the dirt.
leave them top frames ,and you will forever have to make sure no water ever touches them!!
Because it will drip down as dirty water on to the glass when you have gone.
Spend a little time on the first clean , get everything off, and be proud that you do a good job,
my customers always comment on the frames being lovely and clean....
i sure would not like them to look up and see one dirty bit of frame,
whats the point in that?
Get it done right cock ! ;D ;D ;)
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leave them top frames ,and you will forever have to make sure no water ever touches them!!
Exactly!
Vin
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If necssary i tend to clean vents and top of frames off with the brush being just damp and certainly with no water flow. Back and forwards across the a few times it removes the dirt but doesnt allow it to run as theres insufficient water purposely for it to be able to do that
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If necssary i tend to clean vents and top of frames off with the brush being just damp and certainly with no water flow. Back and forwards across the a few times it removes the dirt but doesnt allow it to run as theres insufficient water purposely for it to be able to do that
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If you advertise that your clean includes frames and that is the customers understanding then yes you should clean all frames and sills every time. :) Why do it only once in a while to give yourself problems anyway?
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if there really dirty on first clean, i turn the pump and give them a good scrub & rinse, all's good after that,never had any complaints or call backs.
Brian.
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Simple answer;
Yes
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YES ;D
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This forum amazes me, When I first came on here about 12 months ago and was looking at advice etc, Every post I read said DO NOT CLEAN TOP FRAMES/VENTS apart from first cleans (and even then stay away from vents!). Now most people are saying, 'clean top frame every time'. There does not seem to be any consistancy in what way is best to use wfp to clean a window. ???
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This forum amazes me, When I first came on here about 12 months ago and was looking at advice etc, Every post I read said DO NOT CLEAN TOP FRAMES/VENTS apart from first cleans (and even then stay away from vents!). Now most people are saying, 'clean top frame every time'. There does not seem to be any consistancy in what way is best to use wfp to clean a window. ???
Make sure you squirt plenty of water up those vents LOL
Just use a damp brush(water off) to scrub the top of frame and near vents then rinse off as normal avoiding vent!
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I clean vents and top frame every time now clearlyclean, With water on.
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chopsie, clearlyclean is right always clean top of frames everytime just turn off water going over any vents!
Now you know why some cleaners are doing 4/5 houses an hr and some 6/8 an hr
Splash and dash!
Chopsie do it right and you will forever be in work! and customers will be coming to you.
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This forum amazes me, When I first came on here about 12 months ago and was looking at advice etc, Every post I read said DO NOT CLEAN TOP FRAMES/VENTS apart from first cleans (and even then stay away from vents!). Now most people are saying, 'clean top frame every time'. There does not seem to be any consistancy in what way is best to use wfp to clean a window. ???
You get consistency from me Chopsie ;) I've never done top frames (I have my reasons). However, to be 100% successful with this method you need specific equipment, knowledge & learn the technique correctly. ;)
I've had it sussed for years (through necessity) & you can fly through work including first cleans with perfect results! :)
Remember, sheep follow sheep. ;)