Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: darren clarke on November 07, 2010, 09:57:42 pm
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so whos going to get free labour of the long term unemployed? as got a feeling they will be more hassle than they are worth
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too true my mate ;D
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I can think of few lazy layabouts who spend their time in our local betting shop that need to get on the scheme. Never done a days work in their lives.
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i had a bloke the other day ask me if i had any work as it is xmas, he is on the sick with a bad shoulder and arm and has been for years
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I say keep them on the dole, people who don't want to work can do a business more harm than good
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I say keep them on the dole, people who don't want to work can do a business more harm than good
true, but i got a feeling we will all be getting phone calls to take people on, they sort of do the same thing now
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I had a guy phone me for a job, invited him for a job, as soon as he arrived I knew I couldn't let him loose on my custards, he could of lost me half of my business straight away, without stereotyping anyone he had jailbird wrote all over him then when he opened his mouth f this f that.
No chance
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I had a guy phone me for a job, invited him for a job, as soon as he arrived I knew I couldn't let him loose on my custards, he could of lost me half of my business straight away, without stereotyping anyone he had jailbird wrote all over him then when he opened his mouth f this f that.
No chance
sorry about i had tourettes ;D
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I say keep them on the dole, people who don't want to work can do a business more harm than good
ive 2 sons on the dole , they want to work but not in window cleaning .
they both do volantry work 1 in victim support as he wants to join the police , the other in IT if theres no jobs for them they cant be forced to work if they were then it would be disaster .
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ds, that is what i am saying, people will be getting phone calls will u take a doley for 4 weeks work and then a other one for 4 weeks, it will be free labour, some wc will sack people to take on the free labour
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everyone knows its just a con get the jobless figure's down they wont create any real jobs for people and will stop there benefits for any reason,complete joke as is this liberal/conservative government i,ll give um 6 months the way they,r going anyway dont get me started on this lot ??? .
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I'm all in favour of making some of these people sweep the streets for 8 hours a day in return for their money. It will show a lot of them up for what they really are.
Absolutely what they need. Most couldn't do it. Sends them a message loud and clear though.
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Smoke & mirrors." If you don't work, no money", yeah right. It wont get past the first vote and even if it did it would be watered down to "You can refuse any job as long as you promise to take a job next year" blah blah blah.
The UK Govt needs to stop poking stuff with a stick and pass the laws that make sense and that are already working in other countries. ::)
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I thought I heard an MP on the telly the other day about this scheme to get long term unemplyed working? If they dont take the job/voluntary work, or whatever it is, they lose 3 months benefits.
My son went to college for 2 years and studied sports, with a view to going on to be a personnal trainer, but cant find a placement. So he has got a job working afternoons/evenings as a kitchen porter.
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one way to battle working.
1/ bad back
2/Head problems
3 Relation problems
3/Anxiety
4/Stress
5/Sads
easily stay off work for life with any of the above
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i agree the hard- core shirkers need to be weedled out for attention. probably millions of these -easy to spot from a mile away, lets hope the govt follow through with their plan
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I say keep them on the dole, people who don't want to work can do a business more harm than good
ive 2 sons on the dole , they want to work but not in window cleaning .
they both do volantry work 1 in victim support as he wants to join the police , the other in IT if theres no jobs for them they cant be forced to work if they were then it would be disaster .
Hi ds
in this day an age we are forced to take what's available. The last job I saw myself doing was window cleaning. I started w/c as I was desperate for work, bills and mortgage to pay and at 52 nobody wanted me. We bought a small round that came up for sale. My personal experience is that beggars can't be choosers.
Spruce
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one way to battle working.
1/ bad back
2/Head problems
3 Relation problems
3/Anxiety
4/Stress
5/Sads
easily stay off work for life with any of the above
back problem is the most common the dr toldme, i suffer with bk problems and you cant go on sick with them. yet theres a bloke near me who claims to have hip problems who is on sick getting 300 a week and he rides a bl**dy push bike. the system is wrong!
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my concern is that they make end up taking would be jobs from some people who were genuinely wanting a job. ive been on dole myself and the longer your on it the harder is it is to get a job - your self belief and confidence shrinks.
but if they have unemployed doing jobs to ensure thier benefit thier are always employers who will take advantage of this and may have been offering these jobs to folk who really want and need work.
we all know the diff between folk who are unemployed and are the scrounger type but also thier are genuine folk unemployed trying to find work i just hope the right people get the support.
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I say keep them on the dole, people who don't want to work can do a business more harm than good
ive 2 sons on the dole , they want to work but not in window cleaning .
they both do volantry work 1 in victim support as he wants to join the police , the other in IT if theres no jobs for them they cant be forced to work if they were then it would be disaster .
Hi ds
in this day an age we are forced to take what's available. The last job I saw myself doing was window cleaning. I started w/c as I was desperate for work, bills and mortgage to pay and at 52 nobody wanted me. We bought a small round that came up for sale. My personal experience is that beggars can't be choosers.
Spruce
I don't think any of us told the careers teacher at school we wanted to be a window cleaner!
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one way to battle working.
1/ bad back
2/Head problems
3 Relation problems
3/Anxiety
4/Stress
5/Sads
easily stay off work for life with any of the above
you taking the p i have all those and still work ;D
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one way to battle working.
1/ bad back
2/Head problems
3 Relation problems
3/Anxiety
4/Stress
5/Sads
easily stay off work for life with any of the above
Head problems?
What`s that? ;D A bit vague isn`t it?
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Head problems = walking around tesco in your pyjamas, hugging a teddy Bear, shouting at shoppers as they pass you
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i do know if u are on anti depressants you can be put on sick, when i got put on them the dr said you working do you want me to sign you on sick, i said what for and he said depression is mental illness and i said so my back isnt an illness and he said no coz bk problem is the most common problem in the uk. ::)
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i think they should be made to help the council ie cutting oap,s grass,churchyards,litter etc,though i have nothing against the unemployed persay,some have been on the dole for 10yrs or more and they obviously have no intention of working,they probly had upwards of 60-70 grand in benefits without putting a penny in the pot.worst thing is they will probably have the cheek to be up in arms about it... ;D
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85% of the men of Bangladeshi birth living in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets are unemployed apparantly.(allegedly!)
Most of them quite frankly would be unemployable. Poor education, illiterate, poor english.
What jobs are they going to force them into? Its never going to happen.
They might pick off a few Chavs to make an example of them but it will be a token thing.
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I think they should stop giving out dole jobseekers or whatever it's called out to anyone that's never worked kids leaving schools should get nothing till they put something back into the country,same with forigners get nothing till you put something in,
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My lad lost his job 2 months back, 24 years with the same company working in the fishing industry. They sold the ship, no job, no redundancy package as he was classed as self employed.
What the hell does he know only fishing and ships? He's sent hi Cv out to every marine company. a couple of his crew mates have been promised work on a north sea oil standby vessel, but he's had no luck at all.
In spite of my advice he refuses to sign on.
I gave him a couple of days work last week and he did really well.
It looks like I have to start building my round again after letting it shrink over the last few years.
I know there are some lazy sods who just don't want to work, there's a hell of a lot of genuine people looking for work too.
Back in the eighty's I worked as a supervisor for the community task force. I had twenty people working on community projects, doing half a weeks work each a week. They were paid the average rate for the job at the time. On the completion of the scheme they all went on to find full time employment.
Take them off the dole yes, but give them a job that they get paid for, Make getting up in the morning a part of their lives again, and let them develop some self esteem.
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good post dai
my next door neighbour until june was the personell manager for rank Xerox
he had been with them since he was a boy, he told me he had been applying for jobs
all over the country
the thing is with all his contacts and business acumen, you would have thought he would have
been snapped up, just surprises me, he is 48 by the way
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I've been signing on for 27 years, i hoppe they don't ask me to pick litter up as I don't have time. ;D
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There will always be those who are unemployed, some of whom want to work, and others who don't.
It is really hard for those who had jobs and who have lost them through no fault of their own.
It happened to me in 1996. I was working for a building services company in the City of London as a van driver/labourer, helping out electricians and controls guys. The company folded, and as I was classed as self employed, no redundancy was due. I lost my house at the same time, and my wife was expecting our 2nd child.
I started to sign on and applied for every job I felt I could do. I remember one interview.
When I turned up, I was told that they wanted a school leaver. I was 34 at the time! No qualifications or previous experience were necessary, and I was prepared to travel. They made every excuse not to give me the job. The wages were very low, but I didn't care. I just wanted to work.
I was claiming job seekers for 3 months and it was the most degrading experience I have had. I felt like I was the dregs, even though I really wanted to work. I was rescued from this by a friend who was a window cleaner at the time. He gave me a chance, trained me up and got me on my way to where I am today.
There must be thousands of people out there who genuinely want to work, but have no prospects of doing so, unless they set up in business for themselves. For that, all you newbies have my best wishes for success.
John.
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there are people out there who want to work but we live in a country where u can be better off not working than working
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85% of the men of Bangladeshi birth living in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets are unemployed apparantly.(allegedly!)
Most of them quite frankly would be unemployable. Poor education, illiterate, poor english.What jobs are they going to force them into? Its never going to happen.
They might pick off a few Chavs to make an example of them but it will be a token thing.
You got a source for that Vince?
I read an article in the London Evening Standard from September of this year that there has been a huge improvement in the Tower Hamlets Bangladeshi education/prospects/ living standards between 1995 and now. In fact according to the article it seems that the ones with educational difficulties are the grandchildren of the Cockney dockworkers.
I think your assertion might be based (if on anything) on old data.
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As far as I am aware its from the government's own statistics and comes from when George Galloway tried to start the respect party in Tower Hamlets by cynically harnessing himself to their voting power.
I do know these areas quite well and it really is a dumping ground. I don't criticise the people for coming, you would too if you were in their position. I blame the politicians who knew they were storing up problems for years to come but looked the other way because they knew that once the people were here and totally dependent on benefits they would be safe labour voters for years to come.
I haven't seen any great improvement in their situation or prospects but actually they are not worried about that. They appear to like things the way they are, living within their own community they are happy.
Its only external agitators like George Galloway and numerous so called do gooders that keep trying to exploit them for their own ends.
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this year i have gone to 22 interviews and i never got one bloody job, a job that even a trained monkey could do. ;D i thought screw you and ya 5.50 a hr. i got sick of ppl calling me a dosser and i was actually trying i was up at 7 in the morning getting my daughter dressed and after dropping her off at school i would go to agencies u name it and it was the same crap, no work about. yet in there windows they had adverts for work. nothing came from it soi sat bk and thought of how to get an income, i even fixed pcs which was good but didnt get much work from that. now im doing WC. i got neighbours who dont get there arse outta bed till 3pm and all night long sit in there window or garden smoking dope claiming sick money. i didnt realise sticky matress syndrome was an illness. ;D ;D ;D
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Yes but you did something about it and thats the difference. Feel proud of yourself.
I'm sure Dai's son will do the same.
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time for my rant hope it dont offend ppl :-X
i dont feel proud till i got work and im adding to the system, i will feel proud if i build a good business though. dont it make you sick though how ppl lay in bed all day and do jack poope? they never get letters saying go to job centre and do this and that, yet i tried for ages and i always got a lecture off the bloody job centre. i would go in to the place and there would be druggies and p heads who say there to sick to work. we didnt hold the needle to there arm or the bottle of bud. ::)
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A few weeks after taking redundancy I decided to go and see if I could claim dole (as I had never claimed a penny before and been working since 16). Bear in mind I was at the time just semi considering/starting window cleaning. While I was there I saw a days work on their computers, At bambardier testing a tube train they were building. I applied for the job, got it (only a days work). There were around 80 of us, all we had to do was walk on and walk off this tube carriage while they monitered the movement of the carriage. We probably did this 6 0r 7 times, We were finished for just after 2pm, Easiest £70 I have ever earned. But that one day job seriously screwed up my dole claim, The amount of forms I had to fill in, and the paperwork etc i had to provide because of it made it hardly worth while. I can see why people on the dole do not bother, Its hardly worth it. Eventually after a couple or 3 weeks after going in and 'proving' to them I was looking for work(what a joke that is ::) ) They paid me £54 and a few pence, They deducted me cos I got the days mixed up when I was supposed to go and sign on, I had a set day, wednesday i think, But that set day did not kick in for first 2 weeks So it meant I had to go in on Tuesday or something. This being new to me I had it in my head wed was my set day, noticed on Tuesday I should of been there half an hour ago I rang them, Got an appointment the next day, Had to fill a form out saying why i was late so I could try and get money back, I said "What a joke, as if they are going to give me money back for forgetting!!". They said i had to fill it in any way, made me sit around for 45mins to get an answer, and guess what, they declined my excuse!! By this time i was fuming, So told them to stick the dole up their arse and walked out. I recieved that 54 quid and that was that.
The whole process was a joke, making things up to prove I was looking for work ::) waiting around for hours, The bone idle staff that worked there. >:( Payed taxes for 17 years and got hardly anything, Chavvy kids were in there who never worked in their lives claiming the max, Most of them you would never employ, lazy chavvy dosers. Rant over ;D
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this one bloke i know was self employed car washer, he had his own car wash etc and he did it for 20 years and all of a sudden became ill and had to sell the business to fund treatment abroad. after treatment he comes home and tried for incapasity benefit and yano what they told him, because he was self employed within the last year he wasnt entitled to nowt. wot a joke, he didnt have the energy to fight it so he had to go onto job seekers and they made this bloke of 50 odd go out and look for work when he wasnt in a fit state to go to the loo. :-[ the system is shot. you cans ee why most girls who leave school get preg and then get given a house and benefits coz thats the easy life. my mrs left me and bbringing a kid up on ya own aint easy. rahter 9-5 job any day of the week.
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the system is shot. you cans ee why most girls who leave school get preg and then get given a house and benefits coz thats the easy life.
yes but if they stopped giving these girls flats they would kill the whole issue stone dead overnight. The girls wouldn't get pregnant in the first place. There wouldn't be the estates full of single mums and feral kids. The system as it stands now is just storing up problems for generations to come and costing the country a fortune.
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most girls who leave school get preg and then get given a house and benefits
thats bollox.
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whys it bolloxs? enlighten us with your wisdom
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I started my first job in September 1957, back in those days 42 hours a week was the norm, you got a job and they were the hours you did.
50 years later things have changed a lot, and in my opinion for the worse.
I was talking to a young shiner today who had stopped to look at my system, he is considering going WFP.
This lad is working in the early mornings for a wholesale green grocer. Bosses now days can give you a 20 hour per week contract working from 6 till 10. Flexible exploitation I call it.
What can he do the rest of the time? He can't live on £120 a week so goes shining when he finishes his early job.
I take my hat off to him. and gave him some advice as to what he required.
Educating the potential opposition may not make good business sense, but I feel sorry for some of these youngsters today.
Cheating doleites I have no time for, but then they don't wear badges on their sleeves so we we can't judge youngsters just because they wear tracky bottoms, trainers, and hoodies, many of them are just trying to survive the best they can, and are not receiving benefits.
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most girls who leave school get preg and then get given a house and benefits
thats bollox.
nah its called reality. ;D
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most girls who leave school get preg and then get given a house and benefits
thats bollox.
your really telling me you think MOST girls who leave school get pregnant and then get a house and blah blah blah? :o you're not?surely? :o ::)
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yes we r.but they r finding it hard now .because the immis ar in the houses first now .pregnent women second
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Bring back the workhouse. If you arn't prepared to do something - sit on a till, put the caps on tooth paste tubes, lick stamps - SOMETHING, then how can/why should we as tax payers afford to keep you. It's much more economical to put them into one building, heating, mass catering etc. they would attend inhouse evening classes to get them a skill and then when they find and stick at employment then they could get some local authority housing. Radical maybe but not a bad idea!?
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just wondering if any of you ********** :P have kids?if girls will they/are they pregnant and in a council house?if boys have they made someone pregnant to get a council house?or are yours the odd one out? ;) :D :o
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A few weeks after taking redundancy I decided to go and see if I could claim dole (as I had never claimed a penny before and been working since 16). Bear in mind I was at the time just semi considering/starting window cleaning. While I was there I saw a days work on their computers, At bambardier testing a tube train they were building. I applied for the job, got it (only a days work). There were around 80 of us, all we had to do was walk on and walk off this tube carriage while they monitered the movement of the carriage. We probably did this 6 0r 7 times, We were finished for just after 2pm, Easiest £70 I have ever earned. But that one day job seriously screwed up my dole claim, The amount of forms I had to fill in, and the paperwork etc i had to provide because of it made it hardly worth while. I can see why people on the dole do not bother, Its hardly worth it. Eventually after a couple or 3 weeks after going in and 'proving' to them I was looking for work(what a joke that is ::) ) They paid me £54 and a few pence, They deducted me cos I got the days mixed up when I was supposed to go and sign on, I had a set day, wednesday i think, But that set day did not kick in for first 2 weeks So it meant I had to go in on Tuesday or something. This being new to me I had it in my head wed was my set day, noticed on Tuesday I should of been there half an hour ago I rang them, Got an appointment the next day, Had to fill a form out saying why i was late so I could try and get money back, I said "What a joke, as if they are going to give me money back for forgetting!!". They said i had to fill it in any way, made me sit around for 45mins to get an answer, and guess what, they declined my excuse!! By this time i was fuming, So told them to stick the dole up their arse and walked out. I recieved that 54 quid and that was that.
The whole process was a joke, making things up to prove I was looking for work ::) waiting around for hours, The bone idle staff that worked there. >:( Payed taxes for 17 years and got hardly anything, Chavvy kids were in there who never worked in their lives claiming the max, Most of them you would never employ, lazy chavvy dosers. Rant over ;D
So what do you think they should do, just accept your excuse they you 'forgot' and pay out. If they did work like that someone else would be on here complaining that their neighbour doesn't even bother to sign on and they still get paid.
As for bone idle staff, I'd like to see some of this lot calling them scum do the job. My wife workes for DMP and has been one of those 'bone idle staff' as you call them dealing with jokers on new deal when it first came out. Her job was to decide who was really trying to get work and who wasn't so probably like someone you were deailing with). The hassle she used to get both in work and outside was criminal. She had a drug dealer whispering her home address to her one day as she interviewed him and lots of other crap like that.
The guys who come out with 'civil service scum' and 'bone idle' civil service staff really need to get a grip of themselves. They are trying to make a living just like us under far far more stressful conditions that we have to work under.
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I do not and did not expect them to give me the money for forgetting, If you read my post properly i actually said to the person that they would not give it me, They made me fill in a pointless form and sit round for 45mins to get an answer that i knew would be no, So why waste everybody's time. I do not know if your wife is 'bone idle' or not. I was just speaking as I found at the job centre I went to. As for 'proving' you are looking for work, What a joke that is, all you have to do is fill in your card saying what you have been doing i.e looking in papers, websites, asked at different employers etc. I know of 2 lads who I worked with who got laid off, who after first week or so, Just used to fill in the card on the journey to the job center, all of it completly made up.
I have no doubt that your wife, and many others have it hard having to work with some of the scum that passes through these places, But there is no need to speak to us or treat us as if we are all the same.
Unlike a lot in there, i hope i never have to set foot in the place again :-*
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I had to sign on the dole and the staff at the job centre were great to me and my family,We used to go in there dressed smartly as if we were going to a job interview and speak properly and politely to them and they would bend over backwards to help,yeah they missed up my claims a couple of times but would sort the problem out and get issued a giro that day.I use to see other guys go in there looking scruffy and swearing and think who going to employ them.Even now when i see some of the staff when I'm out about they ask how Im getting on and hows my family.They are doing a hard job with little resources
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I had to sign on the dole and the staff at the job centre were great to me and my family,We used to go in there dressed smartly as if we were going to a job interview and speak properly and politely to them and they would bend over backwards to help,yeah they missed up my claims a couple of times but would sort the problem out and get issued a giro that day.I use to see other guys go in there looking scruffy and swearing and think who going to employ them.Even now when i see some of the staff when I'm out about they ask how Im getting on and hows my family.They are doing a hard job with little resources
I never had any problem with claiming straight dole money either. It was when income support and housing benefit (both means tested) were needed that I was give grief. Fortunately I was not out of work long enough for it to be an issue.
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I do not and did not expect them to give me the money for forgetting, If you read my post properly i actually said to the person that they would not give it me, They made me fill in a pointless form and sit round for 45mins to get an answer that i knew would be no, So why waste everybody's time.
I do not know if your wife is 'bone idle' or not. I was just speaking as I found at the job centre I went to. As for 'proving' you are looking for work, What a joke that is, all you have to do is fill in your card saying what you have been doing i.e looking in papers, websites, asked at different employers etc. I know of 2 lads who I worked with who got laid off, who after first week or so, Just used to fill in the card on the journey to the job center, all of it completly made up.
I have no doubt that your wife, and many others have it hard having to work with some of the scum that passes through these places, But there is no need to speak to us or treat us as if we are all the same.
Unlike a lot in there, i hope i never have to set foot in the place again :-*
You slag the local job centre staff off about procedures, just exactly what input do you imaging these bone idle people have on these processes? The don't have much leeway, there is a process they have to follow whether THEY like it or not, nevermind if you like it or not.
My wife could tear her hair out sometimes, new guidance come into force and she says you can tell who ever wrote it has no idea how it all works, has never set foot in a job centre. They never seem to be able to fortell what the (real) bone idle will do to get round new legislation. Take the mass move to disability once new deal started to put pressure on the out of work.
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I am slagging the job centre process off in general, What a complete waste of time and money filling in forms which everyone knows what will be the end result. I understand the people working there have little input to the procedures, But what a complete waste of resources.
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wota load ov twaddle
get them polish bulgarians ethicinic wotever
to my door quick march il show em window cleaning
then send em out on yr patches ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
yes lol ;D ;D ;D
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All changing soon..dont take the job dont get dole...simples ;D
I bet there will be around it tho! ::)
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the trouble is there really isnt any industry left here now to mop up the unemployed. balance of power has shifted over to the far east / China .i live right close to the docks and everything coming in is from there,hell even the ports are owned by china now . the sailors walking around in the town buying in bulk at LIDL are from over there too! one was ahead of me in the queue at the checkout buying 120 boxes of chocolates
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the trouble is there really isnt any industry left here now to mop up the unemployed. balance of power has shifted over to the far east / China .i live right close to the docks and everything coming in is from there,hell even the ports are owned by china now . the sailors walking around in the town buying in bulk at LIDL are from over there too! one was ahead of me in the queue at the checkout buying 120 boxes of chocolates
Its a very good point, go to any major city in Britain where there used to be docks, Im thinking of places like Newcastle, Liverpool, Bristol and London. No ships, just restaurants and the like. All the warehouses converted into other things.
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Not only docks, Look at all the car factories that have shut down over the years, and a lot more have seriously down sized due not only to recession but also to it being cheaper to build the cars abroad. Toyota is now supposed to be moving production of what ever the Avensis is called now, to Russia. I think they are just going to be building the new name for Corrolla there now (am not up to date on these new names am I :P).
I do believe in the not too distant future that most, if not all car production will be moved abroad, As they can build the same cars for a lot less money and still sell for the same price.
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Actually Bristol Docks is thriving, I clean the windows of a shipping company there.
The old docks which were restricted by the River Avon moved to Avonmouth and Portbury and seem to be doing really well. "They" even reinstated a railway from Bristol to Portbury to take all the cars and doubled the line from Avonmouth to Bristol to take all the coal.
The sad thing for me - having worked there is that you I see tonnes of zinc brought in from the smelters of Belgium which up until 2005 was made in Avonmouth.
Bristol seems to do well - being on the junction of two major motorways, having an aircraft industry and having the MOD there too.
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Labour costs will just like water find it's own level.
It's very hard to be optimistic about anything in the UK, either now or in the future.
The see-saw swings on, and we are on the downward path.
Things will only get better when our labour costs are less than the Asians.
The rich still rule and always have, Governments have sod all to do with it.