Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on November 05, 2010, 04:07:57 pm
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filled up ready for tommorrows onslaught and water coming out of DI at 015 tds.is this still ok to clean with without spotting? ???
id just finished filling up and my fresh resin came from pure freedom!(ordered yesterday morning!) ::)
just wondered if any of you guys have cleaned with such high readings?ive got some big houses to clean tommorrow(all 4 weekly maintenance cleans)
regards
dazmond
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as they are all maintenace cleans you will be ok, i think dave morris cleans with 012 from his ro and has no probs
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it will be ok
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When i had my DI i had spotting at 005 but it might have been the resin from brodex that was poor.
How is the wfp doing ? Did you lose many on the switchover?
Danny
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hi danny.ive used it at 009 with no problems.
i ve been wfp for 5 months now and lost 3 customers due to them not liking the pole.ive gained quite a few more because i use wfp though.
the only time i use ladders now is to access a few flat roof jobs and unlocking gates! :D :D
im 80% WFP/20% TRAD.
I CLEAN BETWEEN 20-40% MORE A DAY THAN WHEN I WAS USING LADDERS!!
ITS ONE HELL OF A TOOL FOR CLEANING WINDOWS ONCE YOU GET PAST THE FIRST FEW MONTHS!! ;) :) :)
regards
dazmond
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Are you getting faster then?
When i had that 250DI i switched over at the wrong time of the year looking back when the water iced up as soon as it hit the floor. People were more concerned if it made their pavement slippery than the benifits it had.
If i get another one i will definately spend some money on the set up than getting the basic equipment. I got some good deals on the poles but that was it. Id invest in some fanjets and a microbore reel too.
Danny
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i switched nearly everything over at once in june!made a mess of quite a lot of windows,complaints etc but my custies grinned and beared it!now its a doddle most of the time and pure water really does clean most windows to a much better standard!!im improving all the time and yes ive speeded up a lot on some work!! ;) ;D ;D
dazmond
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Stay on topic please guys, this thread is about using WFP with a high TDS reading...
Ian
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well have you used water with a high tds ian without any spotting? ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
dazmond
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It occured to me that it may not be ok to clean with anything above zero tds.
If you have advertised, or if you have told your customer that you are using pure water, and then set about the place with 015ppm tds you will have lied. A pedantic trading officer may pick it up one day.
any boffins looked at this??
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It occured to me that it may not be ok to clean with anything above zero tds.
If you have advertised, or if you have told your customer that you are using pure water, and then set about the place with 015ppm tds you will have lied. A pedantic trading officer may pick it up one day.
any boffins looked at this??
This sounds like a joke, but i get the impression you are being serious ??? ???
As long as the windows are cleaned and there is no spotting then what does it matter what the tds reading is?
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most of my barrels have a reading of 10 tds with 2 reading 14 and 15 tds respectively.i have cleaned at 05 today with no spotting.
dazmond
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i spoke to a scientist who is 1 of my customers and he deals with parts per billion and stated anything under 30ppm is naked to the eye. i go upto 20 though before i change and never have any probs
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i spoke to a scientist who is 1 of my customers and he deals with parts per billion and stated anything under 30ppm is naked to the eye. i go upto 20 though before i change and never have any probs
thats right
but if it is maintence cleans then there will be no soap on there to casue spotting,
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thanks MSTAV thats reassured me a bit as ive got some very good accounts to clean tommorrow in a affluent area and ive never used wfp with water above 009!! ;D ;) ;D
dazmond
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thats cool daz. mine has crept to 52 at its highest but still i had no spots or complaints but i would never let it reach that high again,
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How exactly would a scientist know the effects of pure water drying on glass? Even if he does deal with particles per billion.
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And what is a "scientist"?
That`s a very broad term to describe someone.
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How exactly would a scientist know the effects of pure water drying on glass? Even if he does deal with particles per billion.
to be honest i wasnt fully listning coz he dont shut up but id imagine he studies purities etc to know im not a scientist and neither are you..anyway since he said it i use my tds higher than i used to and never get spots or complaints so as gospal i take it as he knows hes stuff. suppliers just want to rip us off saying to change resin so often..its only the suppliers who tell us the recomended change period hey..
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And what is a "scientist"?
That`s a very broad term to describe someone.
lol are you a detective or something. my god man get a grip i was just sharing to dazmond that its cool to clean with 015..if you have any keep ya hair on.
What sort of "detective" are you on about? A scientist one?
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I've (accidentally) used over 30 with no problem.
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And what is a "scientist"?
That`s a very broad term to describe someone.
lol are you a detective or something. my god man get a grip i was just sharing to dazmond that its cool to clean with 015..if you have any keep ya hair on.
What sort of "detective" are you on about? A scientist one?
sorry mate thought you was someone else commenting who keeps following me on here all the time..
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I tend to use 18-30.
I never check my tds though.
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I cleaned a whole mansion last week with 35ppm, came up spotless! Was a whole day job too so They were dry before I left. ;)
I normally only let it go up to 10 before changing.
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it seems the days of us worrying when it gets to 002ppm are over. now going into the 30s and still finding its spot free. it makes me wonder what would make a regular cleaned with wfp window spot. who has gone higher than 50 with still good results??
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My water comes out the tap at 030 ish. I've cleaned my own windows with it and perfect clean. Personally I wouldn't want to clean a paying customers windows with water over 015 though. Let us know how you get on daz.
And m.stav, I assume you mean it's me that's "following you around"? I've posted in 1 (one) thread of yours, I'm such a stalker. ???
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My water comes out the tap at 030 ish. I've cleaned my own windows with it and perfect clean. Personally I wouldn't want to clean a paying customers windows with water over 015 though. Let us know how you get on daz.
And m.stav, I assume you mean it's me that's "following you around"? I've posted in 1 (one) thread of yours, I'm such a stalker. ???
no mate it isnt you. its an albanian window cleaner who comes on here trying to slate me. if you search my post history you will see.
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My water comes out the tap at 030 ish. I've cleaned my own windows with it and perfect clean. Personally I wouldn't want to clean a paying customers windows with water over 015 though. Let us know how you get on daz.
And m.stav, I assume you mean it's me that's "following you around"? I've posted in 1 (one) thread of yours, I'm such a stalker. ???
why wouldnt you clean other windows with your tap water being 030ish if it did a perfect job on your own ?
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M.stav, I apologise then :)
ds, because errrm, I'm supposed to be a pure water window cleaner and don't generally hang about after every clean to check the results.
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If we can clean with 15-30, why do we bother with di resin? We could save a fortune not buying any
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becasue we conditioned to use 000, it is only the first few cleans where u get spots if done properly window should come up clean every time
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its only 2 barrels that are reading 14-15 tds.the rest are 10tds.
thanks for all the posts guys.so it seems to me our water doesnt need to be 000 to clean a window with wfp!
ill see how i get on today!everything im cleaning today(1 commercial/8 large houses)are wfp.
ive filled my monster 25L DI with fresh resin ready for monday so no problems with getting it down to 000 from monday onwards.
dazmond
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If we can clean with 15-30, why do we bother with di resin? We could save a fortune not buying any
Because you can't be 100% sure what the 15-30 is made up of, so technically to be safe, staying under ~12ppm should be fine. Staying at 000 is just the ideal standard. In my opinion, you should never go DI only to begin with, it's a waste of money and time. Even if you have 30 coming out of the tap, I'd still use a membrane. It's much more economical. Especially at that tds level your membrane and prefilters will last a very very long time.
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If we can clean with 15-30, why do we bother with di resin? We could save a fortune not buying any
Because you can't be 100% sure what the 15-30 is made up of, so technically to be safe, staying under ~12ppm should be fine. Staying at 000 is just the ideal standard. In my opinion, you should never go DI only to begin with, it's a waste of money and time. Even if you have 30 coming out of the tap, I'd still use a membrane. It's much more economical. Especially at that tds level your membrane and prefilters will last a very very long time.
good post above, as he has stated 000ppm is ideal especially on
first cleans the water is a more aggressive cleaner the less mineral
content it has. i regularly use water up to 10ppm on maintenance
cleans with no problems, anything above that though i have noticed
spotting on properties but thats dependent on the windows and
where the properties are situated e.g. busy roads.
so personally i dont go above 10ppm to be safe
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It occured to me that it may not be ok to clean with anything above zero tds.
If you have advertised, or if you have told your customer that you are using pure water, and then set about the place with 015ppm tds you will have lied. A pedantic trading officer may pick it up one day.
any boffins looked at this??
Yes, I have heard the police are out doing stop checks on window cleaners of late. They are pulling them over and being asked to pump into their TDS reader for 3 seconds. If your water is found to be over the limit you will get an instant 2 year WFP ban ;D
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well guys!i dont know what i was worrying about!no spotting whatsoever on the properties that had dried when i went back after work to check them!got paid off all of them as well bar two customers who were out!
so happy days!!
000 from monday again though!! ;) ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
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there u go daz me old m8 ;D ;D ;D
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Yes, I have heard the police are out doing stop checks on window cleaners of late. They are pulling them over and being asked to pump into their TDS reader for 3 seconds. If your water is found to be over the limit you will get an instant 2 year WFP ban ;D
;D ;D