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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 12:31:54 pm

Title: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 12:31:54 pm
Is it worth joining  :) and why
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 01:32:41 pm
Just seen there is guild to window cleaning  what is the best to join or is any
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Clive McDonald on October 31, 2010, 01:40:01 pm
guild is a lot cheaper and better benefits and advice
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 31, 2010, 02:26:30 pm
guild is a lot cheaper and better benefits and advice

I'll second that. ;)
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: clearlyclean on October 31, 2010, 05:44:15 pm
there was a debate on this subject a few weeks ago
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Nathanael Jones on October 31, 2010, 05:47:23 pm
The Fed has a much larger membership & much more influence in the industry, and because the FED is UK only they can offer members benefits that the Guild couldn't ever manage to replicate in an international format (free legal advice etc etc). Its a good organisation to join,.. it just depends what suits your companies needs best.
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 06:29:54 pm

Mark M

Look at both websites and make your own decision
You should look at what the both organisations have achieved not just in the past but future projects, the FWC is dedicated to our industry with a proven track record but it’s around £90.00 to join
Any body can say they are going to do this and going to do that but what have they achieved to date.
 What would you expect your trade association to do?
The FWC is dedicated to making our industry more professional, with iosh H&S training, attending industry meetings and organising trade shows for our members

Bryan Dolby
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 07:26:00 pm
  ;D ok so it looks like i should not bother i am a small company just myself make a ok living so what do i get industry  meetings i am to small , trade shows  i go to the internet, training  surely  that comes with experence so £20 for the guild  seems a better deal if all i want is stickers  .   :-*ok i have only been doing it for 2 years but i have never been asked about a guild of master cert . I thought there might be cheaper insurance ,discount on products ect i think i am to small  for this  :-\
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: darren clarke on October 31, 2010, 07:36:17 pm
Tell any potential customers you are a member of the FWC and you will get the fee back, and more.

most will say and what the hell is that,

i joined the guild it is only £20 i find it value for money,  not just the guild bit, the badge looks good on website but if you need to ask nat any questions u dont feel as much as a cheap skate lol
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: darren clarke on October 31, 2010, 08:01:08 pm
so when u are looking for work ewan,  all ur custy go with u becasue u are in the FWC?
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 08:04:26 pm
Tell any potential customers you are a member of the FWC and you will get the fee back, and more.



   ;D Get your fee back lol what more ,please someone tell me why it will help me    :P Why dont they make it cheaper sounds like most people dont know and you join  just because you want the sign for car and website  lol :-*

Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 08:06:31 pm
so when u are looking for work ewan,  all ur custy go with u becasue u are in the FWC?


We seem to agree  a lot today lol
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: darren clarke on October 31, 2010, 08:12:54 pm
Mark

if you have a small business then join the guild,  grow ur business slowly but right   rather than try to get huge and balls it up,  in 18 months of wc not one custy as ever asked me if i am a member of any fed or guild, all they ask is how much  and when,   

for 20 the guild is worth it, i cant comment on the fed as i could not spend 90 if i wasnt certain, as i am a tight northerner ;D
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 08:16:23 pm
Mark M

 Your response it seems you are not interested in the our industry just yourself

I am a small one man band 95% commercial
I am very passionate about my industry and the changes it as made
And it does not happen over night

Lets say if the FWC had not got involed with things like WAHR and hose pipe ban ,talking to insurance under writters,talking to HSE, what could have happened



Just my opinion

Bryan Dolby
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 08:37:12 pm
I would have to agree with Ewan

I have gained alot of commercial work over the past few years and allways ask why i got picked for the job,
Some say price but the majority say
Training certs
Belong to trade assosiation
My portfolio
tender portfolio
Years of experience

I know some will say it does not matter but it does to me,i allways want to deliver quality

Bryan
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 08:44:58 pm
when i started this topic i had know idea how  much was charged by each  guild  or if it was worth joining. Nothing that has been said has affected me in the last 2  years so that has saved me £000  and i do care about the industry it is my job but i do think i am to small to take part at the moment  .  :-* Just seen you next post before i send this one Ewan and Bryan what you are saying is great that you got work from the fed but again it has not affected me .
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 31, 2010, 08:48:16 pm
I personally think the fwc is too cheap, should have a more strigent Assessment process.

I am a member of

The fwc
The guild
Chas
Safecontractor
Fsb
Chamber of commerce

Cost me more than £1200 for the year, but I would feel naked without it all
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 08:54:06 pm
I do not think you could ever win the ones who do not want to join
or the negetive ones

The price seems to be a issue,but on what money we make ,i think i can justify the FWC membership

At the end of the day you will join the one that you want to

What frustrates me is whos is actually doing some thing to make the changes

Bryan
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 09:01:22 pm
Slumpbuster

Was waiting for your negative reply

What changes as the guild done

Bryan
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: darren clarke on October 31, 2010, 09:19:33 pm
so what u going to pick mark?
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 31, 2010, 09:24:56 pm
Mark is right, in a way. What has the fed done for him? Nowt!

What has the fed done for me? Nowt!

What exactly has the fed done? anything worth anything to the majority?

Who's pockets are being lined?

Personally, I don't believe the fed have any clout in real terms!

Just my opinion of course. ;)
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 09:26:43 pm
 ;D the guild for my shiny stickers lol ::)
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 09:30:45 pm
It seems i have been led with a carrot

Wipeclean

You are bound to say what you have said you are a member of the internet guild and it gives you a sticker



Bryan
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mark m on October 31, 2010, 09:37:32 pm
It seems i have been led with a carrot

Wipeclean

You are bound to say what you have said you are a member of the internet guild and it gives you a sticker



Bryan


                      ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dlol  I should have joined this site ages ago lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on October 31, 2010, 09:38:18 pm
Wipe clean

Your chairmans qoute

The Fed has a much larger membership & much more influence in the industry, and because the FED is UK only they can offer members benefits that the Guild couldn't ever manage to replicate in an international format (free legal advice etc etc). Its a good organisation to join,.. it just depends what suits your companies needs best

Bryan
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 31, 2010, 09:41:17 pm
Wipe clean

Your chairmans qoute

The Fed has a much larger membership & much more influence in the industry, and because the FED is UK only they can offer members benefits that the Guild couldn't ever manage to replicate in an international format (free legal advice etc etc). Its a good organisation to join,.. it just depends what suits your companies needs best

Bryan

It's called being polite Brianana. I researched both & made my choice. ;)
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: darren clarke on October 31, 2010, 09:45:36 pm
and what do u need to join the FWC brian
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 31, 2010, 10:24:21 pm
I dont think the fwc and AS are associated.
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: mci services on October 31, 2010, 10:41:08 pm
and what do u need to join the FWC brian

ninety quid mate ;)
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 31, 2010, 11:10:52 pm
And valid insurance
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Paul Coleman on November 01, 2010, 03:15:57 am
Mark M

 Your response it seems you are not interested in the our industry just yourself

I am a small one man band 95% commercial
I am very passionate about my industry and the changes it as made
And it does not happen over night

Lets say if the FWC had not got involed with things like WAHR and hose pipe ban ,talking to insurance under writters,talking to HSE, what could have happened



Just my opinion

Bryan Dolby

Indeed like many others, I felt that the efforts made when drought threatened the southeast a few years ago were invaluable.  I was aware of both Craig's and Steve Lowe's work that they put in for the public hearings.  Undoubtedly yourself and others did plenty behind the scenes too.
I'm not a member of the FWC myself.  I have been in the FSB for a few years.  I reckon I will join one day but not just yet.
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Bryan_Dolby on November 01, 2010, 06:55:23 pm
Paul

Thank you for the words of wisdom

You did miss out Dave Morris he did do alot with the drought order

Craig and Steve did do alot to prevent window cleaners been banned from using their systems

Bryan
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 01, 2010, 07:15:34 pm
Paul

Thank you for the words of wisdom

You did miss out Dave Morris he did do alot with the drought order

Craig and Steve did do alot to prevent window cleaners been banned from using their systems

Bryan


True I made the tea and filled up Bryans Swimming pool
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Clive McDonald on November 01, 2010, 07:58:39 pm
It was like the blitz, a few fighter pilots going up against impossible odds.Our lads came throught and should all have the dfc.craig, steve, dave, bryan,trevor.
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Paul Coleman on November 01, 2010, 10:56:35 pm
Paul

Thank you for the words of wisdom

You did miss out Dave Morris he did do alot with the drought order

Craig and Steve did do alot to prevent window cleaners been banned from using their systems

Bryan


True I made the tea and filled up Bryans Swimming pool

 ;D   Didn't mean to leave you out Dave.  I'm sure Bryan's swimming pool water could have been put through some resin and used if push came to shove.
I'm afraid that my own efforts were restricted to a brief heckle at one of the hearings.
Title: Re: Federation of window cleaners
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 02, 2010, 07:13:39 am
I heard your heckle wasn't as good as Glyn's