Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richy L on October 22, 2010, 09:03:36 pm
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ive been asked to price a job where there has been a fire in a kitchen. (see below). There are other pics, but the two below give the gist of the problem. There are no more marks on the brick, but there are 7 windows that need cleaning and a front door, and patio doors.
They only want the exterior cleaned. So it is the brickwork, and any windows left in one piece.
Has anyone done anything like this?
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Santrax brick cleaner. HCL based. And a wire brush. Thats all only smoke damage, that'll wash right off. Cif and a green pad should take care of the frames, then blast them too. Get a good wire brush into that brick. Hardest part of that is water supply for the washer and setting up the MEWP. Piece of pi*s other than that. I've never done one now mind you, but I can't imagine it being too awkward. Do the heavy part down below as a sample, just to see if you can get a result. I doubt you'll even need an acid based cleaner.
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Santrax brick cleaner. HCL based. And a wire brush. Thats all only smoke damage, that'll wash right off. Cif and a green pad should take care of the frames, then blast them too. Get a good wire brush into that brick. Hardest part of that is water supply for the washer and setting up the MEWP. Piece of pi*s other than that. I've never done one now mind you, but I can't imagine it being too awkward. Do the heavy part down below as a sample, just to see if you can get a result. I doubt you'll even need an acid based cleaner.
Says it all!
To be perfectly blunt, you don't half spout some shiite on here.
Wire brush? HCL? MEWP? Cif and green pad?
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just sub it to blastaway job done lol ;D
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just sub it to blastaway job done lol ;D
To be fair though, anyone that recommends a wire brush on brickwork for smoke damage when they haven't done it before is kind of taking the p!$$.
Like previously I don't mind telling Richie how. Publically I won't, he has my email.
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my thought exactly
if i was askd to clean
n i didnt know id say il rec sum one who does this work
that way everyones happy ;D
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The reason i am taking on this job is because it is for an insurance company that has given me other jobs in the past, so i want to take on anything they throw at me - and work is a little slow coming in at the moment.
It doesn't seem too far out of my comfort zone, i just need a bit of advice.
To be fair though, anyone that recommends a wire brush on brickwork for smoke damage when they haven't done it before is kind of taking the p!$$.
Like previously I don't mind telling Richie how. Publically I won't, he has my email.
Thanks Lee,
you have email
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That exactly what I was trying to say with my post. As an insurance job, the client has the right to have the job done correctly. Anyone could get up on a ladder, hard brush and fairy and hot water and get a result. Anyone can drive a taxi. Anyone can drive a cherry picker. Its all about insurance and safety and paper work. I didn't mean you wound need acid or wirebrushes, but bring them along in your bag of tricks. The chap from blast away would have these done the whole time and can give you specific advice. I was just trying to help you out generally to get the ball rolling. What would he use? Red Bull to get up the top. Oh and his trusty Yanmar.
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I have been cleaning for over 10 years, so im not new to the cleaning industry. I have just never tackled this particular thing before.
I have used acids to clean brick work many times, but I have never dealt with smoke damage.
How did Lee(blast-away) learn? He must have been told how to do the job. Now he is being kind enough to tell me what is needed.
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Its all about insurance and safety and paper work.
I also have the insurance in place and carry out a risk assessment and method statement.
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That exactly what I was trying to say with my post. As an insurance job, the client has the right to have the job done correctly. Anyone could get up on a ladder, hard brush and fairy and hot water and get a result. Anyone can drive a taxi. Anyone can drive a cherry picker. Its all about insurance and safety and paper work. I didn't mean you wound need acid or wirebrushes, but bring them along in your bag of tricks. The chap from blast away would have these done the whole time and can give you specific advice. I was just trying to help you out generally to get the ball rolling. What would he use? Red Bull to get up the top. Oh and his trusty Yanmar.
Please don't encourage me to put my photoshop skills to use here.
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That exactly what I was trying to say with my post. As an insurance job, the client has the right to have the job done correctly. Anyone could get up on a ladder, hard brush and fairy and hot water and get a result. Anyone can drive a taxi. Anyone can drive a cherry picker. Its all about insurance and safety and paper work. I didn't mean you wound need acid or wirebrushes, but bring them along in your bag of tricks. The chap from blast away would have these done the whole time and can give you specific advice. I was just trying to help you out generally to get the ball rolling. What would he use? Red Bull to get up the top. Oh and his trusty Yanmar.
Don't suppose you'd clue me in on what you helped Richy with? I have never done one of those. Probably never will. I'd just like to know the procedure on those.
Please don't encourage me to put my photoshop skills to use here.
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hi there
how old is the property?? looks quite new from the pics, say built after 1995, facing brick work now can be very soft.
it maybe worth taking a look at a soda blasting solution on this, as you need to release the contaminents from the substrate, as opposed to pushing them into the brick.
alternatively, a spray solution of ultarpac renovate applied, then allowed to dwell, and absorbed back off the surface with pads, would provide a level of result, but at time cost.
better stile would be a pultice mix applied allowed to cure, then peeled off.
it is difficult, we recently looked at a fire damaged carpark, to clean the whole place, with correct procedures, and disposal methods, and another company literally turned sprayed it down and walked away, without taking any precautions as to where the contaminted water went.
so unfortunately you are not bidding on a level playing field.
regards
martin
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hi there
how old is the property?? looks quite new from the pics, say built after 1995, facing brick work now can be very soft.
it maybe worth taking a look at a soda blasting solution on this, as you need to release the contaminents from the substrate, as opposed to pushing them into the brick.
alternatively, a spray solution of ultarpac renovate applied, then allowed to dwell, and absorbed back off the surface with pads, would provide a level of result, but at time cost.
better stile would be a pultice mix applied allowed to cure, then peeled off.
it is difficult, we recently looked at a fire damaged carpark, to clean the whole place, with correct procedures, and disposal methods, and another company literally turned sprayed it down and walked away, without taking any precautions as to where the contaminted water went.
so unfortunately you are not bidding on a level playing field.
regards
martin
There are plenty of bio remediation products on the market now which means run-off water can go into any water course ,with no problems , I started using Spillaway prodcts this week , I would use fleetclean from spillaway on this job , let it dwell for an hour and pressure wash off , a days work including clean up of the drive/paths.
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hi there
jason thanks for that , i may have to take a look at that.
regards
martin
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hi
There is a lot to consider, a damage limiting cleaning should of being carried out immediate.P V C & Glass could of
be damage by acid soot-yellowing P V C, etching Glass, rubber damage, mortar maybe heat damage. You really need to know
wot categories of smoke residue your cleaning.
wet, dry, protein, ect to determine the correct cleaning proses.the best i could suggest is as jasonl said - product's.
Dwell time is important as is testing -hot could set stain - cold could be ineffective. but first wipe must be at low presser
IF it was a protein fire [Sunday roast ect] you may need to deal with a odor problem after you finish cleaning. Enzyme cleaner
and deodorants may be reacquired
RICHIE
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Hi
For soot damaged paint work you can use a latex paint, it is expensive at around £80.00 a can but is dries clear and when you peel it off the soot comes off with it.
It is used in a fire damage situations.
You will need to find out the sq meteridge of the area to see how much paint will be needed and then add on your labour costs.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Here's the test peice I did for this job. They want me to go over the whole area once all the insides have been cleaned.
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Richie, you need Smoke & Odour Neutraliser from Prochem for the inside and chemical sponges to wipe down the soot first before you wash anything. I did a lot of fire jobs for insurance companies some years ago.
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Cheers denise.
It is only the outside that needs cleaning.
I bought a chemical from my local suppliers. It was for removing soot.
It seemed to be coming off ok just using that and a cold pressure washer. Will the marks show back through?
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Don't forget the thickness of that board will be covering the soot. ;)
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yeah, I think they are going to wait until the new PVC is put in place, then ask me to remove the soot.
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It wont show thru if you get it all off but if its on white pvc the yellow staining wont be removable. The insurance company will have to pay for new windows. Had a job just the same years ago, quite gruesome as I did theinside as well. Chaps outline was still on the bed!Arson attack thru the letterbox. make sure you do a full report for the insurance company logging, date, time etc
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soot is mainly a grease so if you pre spray with a good de greaser and then powerwash the brickwork it will come clean, if any areas are burnt and the degreaser doesnt work then this is probably carbon an acid brick cleaner will move this, as for the plastic frames again use a degreaser agitate with a soft brush and then rinse using low pressure so as not to damage window seals, any frames where this doesnt remove all stains then a mild abrasive can be tried but if this doesnt work they will need replacing.
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Your obviously a man of science (we all are) get a jet washer and a snorkle lift i would quote to cover three days of cleaning, do a deal on the hire (heaps around at the moment) experiment and use your cleaning knowledge,,,or run ultrapac through the machine on a high heat,,, da da oh and call your insurance comp for your house and find out how much they will alllow for fire clean up,,,we charge insurance comps £70/person/hour
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Hi,
For cleaning of windows and other things you need a good restoration company that are expert in this work.There are many restoration companies which provide fire and water damage restoration but before taking service take reference from other people.
Thanks!
Fire Damage Clean (http://www.allkarebuildingcontractor.co.uk/services/fire-damage.html)