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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: [GQC] Tim on October 17, 2010, 05:45:49 pm

Title: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 17, 2010, 05:45:49 pm
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Super-Lite_Extreme_Brush.jpg)

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Coming Soon - Early November

Super-Lite Extreme® - the ultimate lightweight brush. Only 165 grams complete with jets/hose/Y piece. Designed for users who want the lightest WFP brush whilst still achieving excellent cleaning results. This brush will be available with no socket as it will fit directly onto our 'soon to be released' (early November) Super-Lite® carbon fibre gooseneck system. Also ideal for use on ultra deep-reach goosenecks.

Ultra Lightweight Brush - 165g

260mm wide

Mono-Filament, single-trim, micro-variation bristles

Ultimate weight saving with good scrubbing power

Ideal for regular maintenance cleans

Complete with built-in scraper

Manufactured for longevity - Comes fitted with 2mm pencil jets, tube & 'Y' piece.

Bristle Stiffness = Medium


http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Premium_Super-Lite_brushes.html


Looks brilliant, if it cleans well enough I will definitely get it. Carbonfibre gooseneck sounds pretty good too! Complete with scraper?  ???   :D

Seems to be a full trim brush? Really wonder what the splay will be like, and how good it scrubs.

This is what I love about Gardiners, they keep developing where some other companies might be content to just keep up or produce the same old stuff.

Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: darren clarke on October 17, 2010, 05:48:02 pm
have seen one in gardiners, looks good,  was still getting trialed about 2 weeks ago,    its weird as it is very thin,  will be getting one when it comes out
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: john tomkins on October 17, 2010, 10:51:25 pm
If previous products are anything to go by then we may see this sometime next spring ;D
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ian1972 on October 18, 2010, 07:47:50 am
Developing?copied me thinks
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Gardiner Admin on October 18, 2010, 08:09:27 am
Developing?copied me thinks

Copied from whom? Which part of this brush design is copied?

As far as we know there is no other WFP brush in the world that is like this brush. We had these brushes made over 1 year ago and have been waiting to bring the new Super-Lite carbon goosenecks into production so that they can now be sold. If you think that they are similar to another brush that has popped up on eBay then we are pleased that having seen & worked with both brushes they are completely different. We routinely buy any new brush that comes onto the market place to try and keep up to date with what the competition are providing.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: darren clarke on October 18, 2010, 08:14:25 am
do u have a pic of the gooseneck gard
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Gardiner Admin on October 18, 2010, 08:22:19 am
do u have a pic of the gooseneck gard

The photo above is of the actual gooseneck. Detailed photos and videos will be published on the website at the beginning of November when they go on sale. We have had these carbon-fibre goosenecks in trial now for several months and we are extremely pleased with their performance.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: clearlyclean on October 18, 2010, 08:48:19 am
what sort of price will the goose neck cost and weight
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Paul Coleman on October 18, 2010, 08:54:06 am
Developing?copied me thinks

Copied from whom? Which part of this brush design is copied?

As far as we know there is no other WFP brush in the world that is like this brush. We had these brushes made over 1 year ago and have been waiting to bring the new Super-Lite carbon goosenecks into production so that they can now be sold. If you think that they are similar to another brush that has popped up on eBay then we are pleased that having seen & worked with both brushes they are completely different. We routinely buy any new brush that comes onto the market place to try and keep up to date with what the competition are providing.

From what I've read on here it looks like the brush in question will not fit onto the normal plastic angle adaptors.  However, would your carbon gooseneck fit onto such an adaptor - thus enabling a wider choice of working angles?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: weetot on October 18, 2010, 10:28:42 am
OMG its got a scraper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want one, like NOW!
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Steve CM on October 18, 2010, 11:39:33 am
OMG its got a scraper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want one, like NOW!

unreal that a supplier hasn't thought of it before isn't it? ;)

i will be getting them to for this reason

 8)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Ambient Services on October 18, 2010, 11:48:58 am
Developing?copied me thinks

Copied from whom? Which part of this brush design is copied?

As far as we know there is no other WFP brush in the world that is like this brush. We had these brushes made over 1 year ago and have been waiting to bring the new Super-Lite carbon goosenecks into production so that they can now be sold. If you think that they are similar to another brush that has popped up on eBay then we are pleased that having seen & worked with both brushes they are completely different. We routinely buy any new brush that comes onto the market place to try and keep up to date with what the competition are providing.

http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2010/10/aerial-water-fed-brush-from-tekbuk.html
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Gardiner Admin on October 18, 2010, 11:57:12 am
Developing?copied me thinks

Copied from whom? Which part of this brush design is copied?

As far as we know there is no other WFP brush in the world that is like this brush. We had these brushes made over 1 year ago and have been waiting to bring the new Super-Lite carbon goosenecks into production so that they can now be sold. If you think that they are similar to another brush that has popped up on eBay then we are pleased that having seen & worked with both brushes they are completely different. We routinely buy any new brush that comes onto the market place to try and keep up to date with what the competition are providing.

http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2010/10/aerial-water-fed-brush-from-tekbuk.html

Thank you for the link. We also presumed that this is the brush that was being referred to earlier.  As previously posted, having had both brushes and used both brushes we can report that they are completely different.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: tom2009 on October 18, 2010, 03:57:12 pm
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Super-Lite_Extreme_Brush.jpg)

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Coming Soon - Early November

Super-Lite Extreme® - the ultimate lightweight brush. Only 165 grams complete with jets/hose/Y piece. Designed for users who want the lightest WFP brush whilst still achieving excellent cleaning results. This brush will be available with no socket as it will fit directly onto our 'soon to be released' (early November) Super-Lite® carbon fibre gooseneck system. Also ideal for use on ultra deep-reach goosenecks.

Ultra Lightweight Brush - 165g

260mm wide

Mono-Filament, single-trim,


Looks brilliant, if it cleans well enough I will definitely get it. Carbonfibre gooseneck sounds pretty good too! Complete with scraper?  ???   :D

Seems to be a full trim brush? Really wonder what the splay will be like, and how good it scrubs.

This is what I love about Gardiners, they keep developing where some other companies might be content to just keep up or produce the same old stuff.


I wondered that. I like the way the duel trim short bristles are more aggresive when the brush is pushed on the glass.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Gardiner Admin on October 18, 2010, 05:12:47 pm
what sort of price will the goose neck cost and weight

Prices and weights will be listed soon on the website - they will start at £45 and about 70g for a standard size neck (12" reach).
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Gardiner Admin on October 18, 2010, 05:19:56 pm
Developing?copied me thinks

Copied from whom? Which part of this brush design is copied?

As far as we know there is no other WFP brush in the world that is like this brush. We had these brushes made over 1 year ago and have been waiting to bring the new Super-Lite carbon goosenecks into production so that they can now be sold. If you think that they are similar to another brush that has popped up on eBay then we are pleased that having seen & worked with both brushes they are completely different. We routinely buy any new brush that comes onto the market place to try and keep up to date with what the competition are providing.

From what I've read on here it looks like the brush in question will not fit onto the normal plastic angle adaptors.  However, would your carbon gooseneck fit onto such an adaptor - thus enabling a wider choice of working angles?

The brush is designed to fit onto the Super-Lite carbon fibre goosenecks, however a plastic socket can be bought and screwed-on which will then allow it fit all standard plastic necks. The slight downside with this is that the sockets are deeper than the brush stock so the socket edges stick out above and below the stock slightly. This does not impede its use in anyway, but does look slightly odd. We are working on a solution that will look better. However the user that wants the ultimate in light weight will generally pair one of these brushes with the carbon gooseneck. The carbon gooseneck will not fit onto a plastic gooseneck instead the goosenecks use a quick release system that allows for rapid neck/brush changes on poles. Poles fitted with these carbon goosenecks will be able to switch in seconds to a different size carbon neck or even a plastic adjustable neck.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: luther1 on October 18, 2010, 06:08:03 pm
While it may take seconds to change a brush,it takes ages to take a hose off of a 'y' piece and replace, especially in winter. Unless you're lucky enough to have a hot water system or a kettle handy!
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Paul Coleman on October 18, 2010, 06:18:46 pm
Developing?copied me thinks

Copied from whom? Which part of this brush design is copied?

As far as we know there is no other WFP brush in the world that is like this brush. We had these brushes made over 1 year ago and have been waiting to bring the new Super-Lite carbon goosenecks into production so that they can now be sold. If you think that they are similar to another brush that has popped up on eBay then we are pleased that having seen & worked with both brushes they are completely different. We routinely buy any new brush that comes onto the market place to try and keep up to date with what the competition are providing.

From what I've read on here it looks like the brush in question will not fit onto the normal plastic angle adaptors.  However, would your carbon gooseneck fit onto such an adaptor - thus enabling a wider choice of working angles?

The brush is designed to fit onto the Super-Lite carbon fibre goosenecks, however a plastic socket can be bought and screwed-on which will then allow it fit all standard plastic necks. The slight downside with this is that the sockets are deeper than the brush stock so the socket edges stick out above and below the stock slightly. This does not impede its use in anyway, but does look slightly odd. We are working on a solution that will look better. However the user that wants the ultimate in light weight will generally pair one of these brushes with the carbon gooseneck. The carbon gooseneck will not fit onto a plastic gooseneck instead the goosenecks use a quick release system that allows for rapid neck/brush changes on poles. Poles fitted with these carbon goosenecks will be able to switch in seconds to a different size carbon neck or even a plastic adjustable neck.

Thank you for the comprehensive answer.  That's a lot clearer now.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 18, 2010, 06:58:09 pm
Its looks like it only has 4 rows of monofilament, if that’s the case it only has half the amount of cleaning ability compared to any standard brush. I don’t think that brush would be suitable for everyday work you will lose to much time and the brush will end up costing you a small fortune.

You don't need much for regular cleans, that's for certain. And for the rest of your statement, that depends entirely on the brush design. A bentley brush has a bazillion bristles, but that doesn't mean it cleans better.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: luther1 on October 18, 2010, 07:04:41 pm
Isn't it recommended for maintenance cleans,as per website? U'd be rather nieve to use it on a stubborn initial clean.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 18, 2010, 07:07:03 pm
Its looks like it only has 4 rows of monofilament, if that’s the case it only has half the amount of cleaning ability compared to any standard brush. I don’t think that brush would be suitable for everyday work you will lose to much time and the brush will end up costing you a small fortune.

It's that kind of comment Ewan that really shows you up as-

1. A none window cleaner

2. A proper numpty head!

 ;D ;D ;D

We really do need an "armature" section on here ::) & a "yawn" icon! ::)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 18, 2010, 07:38:26 pm
Are you paid in cash or in kind by Gardiner’s as you always jump to there defence winproclean if any comment is not 100% in favour of them.

This brush has hardly any monofilaments for example a tucker brush has 9 rows the Gardiner’s brush has by the look of it 4 rows, no doubt if Gardiner’s put just one row of monofilaments you will go along with that and say hoe great it is. Your either a complete Muppet or you are being paid by Gardiner’s, it definitely one of the two.


There's only one Muppet here dude!  Can't you see how ridiculous you are? I'd be embarrassed man! ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: windowswashed on October 18, 2010, 07:38:41 pm
Are you paid in cash or in kind by Gardiner’s as you always jump to there defence winproclean if any comment is not 100% in favour of them.

This brush has hardly any monofilaments for example a tucker brush has 9 rows the Gardiner’s brush has by the look of it 4 rows, no doubt if Gardiner’s put just one row of monofilaments you will go along with that and say hoe great it is. Your either a complete Muppet or you are being paid by Gardiner’s, it definitely one of the two.


well said that man, totally agree with you.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 18, 2010, 07:50:27 pm
Isn't it recommended for maintenance cleans,as per website? U'd be rather nieve to use it on a stubborn initial clean.

Indeed ;)

Some are just so focused on their sole mission to discredit anything & everything by Gardiners that they don't even give enough time to absorb the correct information first. ::)

We know Ewan isn't even for real anyway but he's just so boring now! ::)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 18, 2010, 08:14:03 pm
The aerial brush looks great and would really really love to try it, but at £59.45 I will have to say no. Love to try it, but I think that's an insane amount of money for just a brush.

Anyway, I'm going to expand my brush range with a Tucker and one of these pretty soon. Maybe in the future I hope to add the aerial brush to that, it does sound very promising.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on October 18, 2010, 08:24:01 pm
il trial   it for gardiners  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Perfect Windows on October 18, 2010, 08:24:31 pm
Re Ewan, the best advice I can give is:

Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Perfect Windows on October 18, 2010, 08:27:55 pm
I wonder (genuine question) if a brush has, say 1000 filaments (or whatever) in four rows, will it clean differently from 1000 filaments in eight rows?

Vin
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: rg1 on October 18, 2010, 08:33:11 pm
The aerial brush looks great and would really really love to try it, but at £59.45 I will have to say no. Love to try it, but I think that's an insane amount of money for just a brush.

Anyway, I'm going to expand my brush range with a Tucker and one of these pretty soon. Maybe in the future I hope to add the aerial brush to that, it does sound very promising.

£59.45 is for:

1 x Brush, pencil jets, hose, ‘Y’ connector, nuts & washers
Scraper holder
3 x scrapers
Window sill extension
Angle crank/adaptor
8mm scraper tool
Spare nuts/washers, jet hose.

You can buy just the brush for £35.79
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on October 18, 2010, 08:44:29 pm
Would there be any way of making these brushes work with a swivel, but not bodging the brush in the process?  I take it the weight has been shaved off by making the stock narrower.

Simon.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 18, 2010, 08:49:09 pm
Yes I appreciate that, but the normal version, which includes basically everything the gardiners brush has (except for the sill extension, which doesn't make too much sense to me) is still £49.32. That's a heck of a lot of money?  :-\

I know a brush can make you so much more money then that, but still it doesn't seem right to buy it for that price.  :D

Anyway, I better stop talking about it since this topic was about the new Gardiners brush.  :-[
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: windowswashed on October 18, 2010, 11:11:37 pm
I'm surprised no one has come up with a decent swivel to fit on the plastic goosenecks. If I want a decent swivel i have to make my own as the ones for sale on some websites are absolute rubbish. I adapt a grout tile swivel brush and use that as the swivel and gooseneck in one before the plastic angle adapter. Some manufacturer please make a decent one to fit standard size brushes as it speeds up jobs on large panes of glass and awkward to reach windows
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 19, 2010, 08:37:01 am
I'm surprised no one has come up with a decent swivel to fit on the plastic goosenecks. If I want a decent swivel i have to make my own as the ones for sale on some websites are absolute rubbish. I adapt a grout tile swivel brush and use that as the swivel and gooseneck in one before the plastic angle adapter. Some manufacturer please make a decent one to fit standard size brushes as it speeds up jobs on large panes of glass and awkward to reach windows


I seem to remember some time ago Alex Gardiner hinted at a swivel built in the headstock being in development. Not sure.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Jeff Brimble on October 19, 2010, 12:21:49 pm
Bentley already make one  ;)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 19, 2010, 06:30:11 pm
Bentley already make one  ;)

They do? Never seen it. Is it a sturdy one? :)

Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: cozy on October 19, 2010, 07:53:47 pm
Why does the security gaurd / box packer at Ironics keep deleting his dross? ???  Or is it Brodex?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 19, 2010, 10:00:42 pm
Why does the security gaurd / box packer at Ironics keep deleting his dross? ???  Or is it Brodex?

I don't think it's Ewan himself that is deleting his posts.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: cozy on October 19, 2010, 10:06:04 pm
Well Ewan deletes them or a mod, what do you think. Not hard is it?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Clive McDonald on October 19, 2010, 10:21:36 pm
I've sat this one out because i'm unsure.I have a lot of gardiner products and like many others get excited by their innovation.How many other suppliers inject genuinley new ideas?

What i can't understand is Ewan's obsession with damping down any positive comments about gardiners.I'm not going to get one of these brushes, but love to read the thoughts of others who can see the possibilies.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: gewindows on October 19, 2010, 10:29:41 pm
I think Gardiners Pole Systems are a great company to do business with. Excellent customer service, wonderful equipment, great guy who runs the gaff and a pleasure to do business with.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 19, 2010, 10:33:58 pm
He's a plant, pretty obvious really. You can see the frustration- Gardiners are always one step ahead! ;) ;D
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: darren clarke on October 19, 2010, 10:39:20 pm
has any one actually seen ewan cleaning windows?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: boshravie on October 19, 2010, 10:40:21 pm
I think Gardiners Pole Systems are a great company to do business with. Excellent customer service, wonderful equipment, great guy who runs the gaff and a pleasure to do business with.

Yes I double that.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 20, 2010, 09:21:12 am
Well Ewan deletes them or a mod, what do you think. Not hard is it?

I answered your question didn't I? You asked me what I thought, I said "I don't think <--- it's Ewan himself that is deleting his posts."  ???

Anyway, I've stopped using any other company at the moment, I used to use Wintecs for the prefilters, but their paypal checkout is messed up, and for some reason the prefilters don't seem to last that long. Never have any problem with Gardiners, and they sell everything I need. A class service.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: cozy on October 20, 2010, 09:25:37 am
Well Ewan deletes them or a mod, what do you think. Not hard is it?

I answered your question didn't I? You asked me what I thought, I said "I don't think <--- it's Ewan himself that is deleting his posts."  ???


Must have mis-read that. Why would a mod delete the dross he types ?? It's not offensive, just made up garbage.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 20, 2010, 05:56:24 pm
The reason he deletes his posts is because he got caught out more than once! By looking at his back-posts it was clear what his agenda really was.

Plant, all the way!
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 20, 2010, 07:12:21 pm
Just had a look through your last several pages of your post winproclean, you’re definitely a Muppet if you’re not a plant you have almost 40 post praising Gardiner’s defending them etc and not a bad comment mentioned. That’s not being objective on a forum for window cleaners about a manufacturer.

If you given the opportunity, you put down Ionic’s at every opportunity, you may not like or want there equipment or just cant afford there wfp systems. But if you’re the self proclaimed expert in wfp window cleaning, as you like to make out. Then you would know and you would acknowledge what Ionic has done for the trade.

I just think you’re a little deluded and have been sucked in by one manufacturer. (Or you’re being paid)


I have nothing to hide unlike yourself (ionic tea maid) that's why a have no reason to delete anything! ;)

Yes, I am a Gardiners fan, too right here's why-

Pole owned or used-

Excel f/glass x 2
Unger alloy
extender
Ionic ergolite
Unger carbontec
Facelift carbon
Gardiner SLX
Gardiner SL2

NOW, this is the important bit laddy- After knocking on 7 years of WFP & using &/or owning these poles (there may be more, just what springs to mind at the mo') The GARDINER SLX & SL2 Are, without doubt & by a good margin, THE BEST poles I've ever had experience of!!!

Brushes used-
Vikan oval flocked x 2
Vikan rectangular flocked
Vikan rectangular mono
Unger rectangular flocked
Salmon rectangular mono
Salmon rectangular flocked
Cleantech's own brand
Gardiner SL dual trim mono
Gardiner SL single trim mono

NOW, as above, out of all these the Gardiner brushes are without doubt, & by some margin, THE best brushes I have used!

Add to that, their customer service is second to none, the absolutely lead the field in wfp developement & innovation (just look how Ionics copied the transverse clamp & how many jumped on the modular pole wagon ;)) and yes, I do, with very good reason, praise them. They absolutely deserve it! Top company. ;)

Who are you then & why do you always delete your posts when you know it's starting to expose you? ::)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 20, 2010, 08:23:29 pm
I agree with a few of your comments winproclean, buts that difference between me and you.

I’m can be objective and see both the good and bad points about equipment. All manufacturers have both good and not so good points.

Your not up to date, you’re trading on old equipment and past experience things have moved on from your list and experience. For example Ionic did change there pole and I agree with you, I also think it was because of the Gardiner’s pole, Ionic had little choice you could say the same for Facelift. But that’s normal in business the manufacturers are keeping up, and your blinkered.

You’re becoming an old timer, maybe the first with a wfp system. LOL


Not blinkered at all, I use the best, full stop! ;)  The truth is, Gardiners or no worse than any other example when it comes to the odd mistake, bad batch of some product etc. so it's not an issue to anyone else bar you ??? Things move on, you're right & I move with them.

I'm not up to date? ;D SL2, SLX (which I ditched a facelift carbon for) with superlite brushes ;D yeah, right ::)

So, have you tried all the latest poles by all the suppliers?

What can you actually compare in real life experience?

You've had all my cards, so are you now going to reveal yourself? experience, equipment etc? Or just do your usual & evade answers with some stupid spin to try & make yourself look clever? ::)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 20, 2010, 09:38:23 pm
The best brushes without doubt are the new flocked vikans, all my staff fight over any new vikan brush I buy, I am a huge alex fan and I know he won't thank me for saying but as soon as I bring home a gardeners brush my staff do there best to lose them.

Alex does without doubt make the best poles, always at the cutting edge, I have still got the mk1 slx even though my staff give it extreme abuse. I have upgraded all my poles to gardeners, my staff won't use anything else
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: jouk45 on October 20, 2010, 10:06:43 pm
first of all, yes david, vikan is king of all brushes  ;D second superlite beats anything for lightness and stiffness, great pole nothing beats it, downfall, it is modular, next best, has to be the sl-x fantastic pole for everyday use, but because of wear n tear, and the expense to replace one,  i use my harris pole for domestic work, to me this is the best pole in the world, sad or what  ;D hey, but it makes me loads of money, stop arguing guys, its just cleaning glass lol
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Clive McDonald on October 20, 2010, 10:13:50 pm
When Alex was on this forum his knowledge was way above the rest of us.His advice was the considered and the best.He would take time out to think through the almost any problem presented.

Thats how he got peoples respect, and thanks.How he managed to stay out of the rows and name calling for as long as he did is a miracle.The only person he seemed to wind up was the forum owner, and this was because he brilliantly launched new products on here and it cost him nothing.His pole became best in class and best seller in it's class on the day it was launched.

Other manutacturers take out ads and attend expensive trade shows and still get sluggish sales.

The only way to stop him from his competitors view point was to send in a plant.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: cozy on October 20, 2010, 10:19:13 pm
Now what was the name of that guy that isn't really a window cleaner ??  erm........erm............. give me a hand here guys.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 20, 2010, 10:55:04 pm
I think we can safely agree that Ewan has been exposed! ;D
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Paul Coleman on October 21, 2010, 06:24:47 am
Now what was the name of that guy that isn't really a window cleaner ??  erm........erm............. give me a hand here guys.

Triffid?
That's a plant.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Llaaww on October 21, 2010, 07:12:57 am
I think Gardiners Pole Systems are a great company to do business with. Excellent customer service, wonderful equipment, great guy who runs the gaff and a pleasure to do business with.

Yes I double that.

me too
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: cozy on October 21, 2010, 11:22:02 am
When Alex was on this forum his knowledge was way above the rest of us.His advice was the considered and the best.He would take time out to think through the almost any problem presented.

Thats how he got peoples respect, and thanks.How he managed to stay out of the rows and name calling for as long as he did is a miracle.The only person he seemed to wind up was the forum owner, and this was because he brilliantly launched new products on here and it cost him nothing.His pole became best in class and best seller in it's class on the day it was launched.

Other manutacturers take out ads and attend expensive trade shows and still get sluggish sales.

The only way to stop him from his competitors view point was to send in a plant.

Perish the thought Gardiner’s used plants, LOL

What do you want tangible proof?


That would be interesting Ewan. Proof of you actually being a window cleaner. No anecdotes of your work. No breakdowns or kit problems. No dodgey anoying custies. No web site. No advice about fixing kit. Just Amway drivel about business theory that you read in those Amway sef help books they made you buy.
If I were you, I'd report to admin about your posts being deleted. That's not nice. ::)
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 21, 2010, 07:38:34 pm
The best brushes without doubt are the new flocked vikans, all my staff fight over any new vikan brush I buy, I am a huge alex fan and I know he won't thank me for saying but as soon as I bring home a gardeners brush my staff do there best to lose them.

Alex does without doubt make the best poles, always at the cutting edge, I have still got the mk1 slx even though my staff give it extreme abuse. I have upgraded all my poles to gardeners, my staff won't use anything else

Have you got a link to these Dave? When you say new, do you mean the re-worked, lighter ones?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on October 21, 2010, 07:46:44 pm
Pure Freedom had an interesting looking brush in their stores - looked almost the same as the black Gardiners dual trim but felt a bit stiffer. Don't know how much it was or what it was like on the glass but the jets looked a bit wide apart for me.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Perfect Windows on October 21, 2010, 07:49:11 pm
I take this back - posted then realised I shouldn't have within a second or two, so best left unsaid.

Vin
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 21, 2010, 09:10:16 pm
Here it is the 25cm

Its the Bees Knees
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: [GQC] Tim on October 21, 2010, 10:13:10 pm
Really that good Dave? What do you like about them?

 I'm not a big fan of them weight wise, but then again I'm probably not as strong at you (still remember the X-tel 60ft fascia clean jobbie from long time ago)

Have you ever tried a Tucker, can you comment on it?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 21, 2010, 11:12:03 pm
Scrubbing power, with effortless bristles with unrivalled durability, also the corners don't wear out unlike the square edge brushes so the bristles stay intact without curling etc.

Vikan are the king of brushes
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Frankybadboy on October 22, 2010, 06:39:49 am
i have put my vikan back on me slx,after using the gardiners brush for over a year.

ive forgot how good it is with first cleans and genral overall when on the windows.
heavy yes compared to the supalite,but i get use to it.


and for the price of the gardiners brush they dont last that long,where the vikan just keeps going
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 22, 2010, 08:26:11 pm
Here it is the 25cm

Its the Bees Knees

Cheers, I'm going to try one. I don't have a flocked brush in my armory at the moment, if I don't get on with it I can use it for washing the van! ;)

The Pro window brush looks OK too, anyone tried one?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on October 22, 2010, 08:32:25 pm
Vikan have always made great brushes, just that they have always been a tad too heavy especially on the end of a superlight pole. The bristles are great.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 22, 2010, 08:36:17 pm
Vikan have always made great brushes, just that they have always been a tad too heavy especially on the end of a superlight pole. The bristles are great.

I wouldn't use it on the superlite but I'm willing to give it a go on the slx. Like you, I used to like the action of the flocked vikan but the helium effect of the super-lites spoiled me! ;D
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on October 22, 2010, 08:43:19 pm
The newest Dualtrim flocked from Gardiners is pretty close to the Vikan I reckon for bristle action.
I have the old mono rectangular vikan in the van - I thought it was brilliant a couple of years back. Never use it now, too scratchy and too heavy.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: BORBRYCE on October 22, 2010, 08:46:12 pm
Just drill the thing's out, it isn't difficult. Get a drill, put in a drill bit, no10 is a good size and drill out 15 holes. Don't go right through but it doesn't really matter if you do on the odd one, you then have a really light Vikan brush.
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 22, 2010, 08:53:17 pm
Ewan

Vikan make brushes for Vehicles, windows and floors, if you can make the best brush in the world for vehicles, you can make more than a good enough brush for windows

What qualifies you to your opinion.

I have used every brush on the market, and still come back to Vikan, nothing comes remotely close to the new Vikan

I can show you photos of useless brushes including curled up Ionics brushes, I can even show you some rubbish square vikans, I have got about 20 redundant rubbish brushes.

Just try the new Vikan, you just might be amazed.

Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 22, 2010, 08:53:54 pm
Scrubbing power, with effortless bristles with unrivalled durability, also the corners don't wear out unlike the square edge brushes so the bristles stay intact without curling etc.

Vikan are the king of brushes for vehicles

And windows
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on October 22, 2010, 09:20:29 pm
Ewan

Vikan make brushes for Vehicles, windows and floors, if you can make the best brush in the world for vehicles, you can make more than a good enough brush for windows

What qualifies you to your opinion.

I have used every brush on the market, and still come back to Vikan, nothing comes remotely close to the new Vikan

I can show you photos of useless brushes including curled up Ionics brushes, I can even show you some rubbish square vikans, I have got about 20 redundant rubbish brushes.

Just try the new Vikan, you just might be amazed.



Being heavier than the SL, how high do you go with these brushes Dave?
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 22, 2010, 10:36:45 pm
Ewan

Use vikans at all heights even above 60 ft

Tell us your opinions on brushes Ewan
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Moderator David@stives on October 22, 2010, 10:41:48 pm
What qualifies me ?

My guys doing 300 hours a week between them, and all the clapped out brushes we own.

All my guys love the new vikan and have all got access to every brush on the Market
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on November 05, 2010, 07:27:28 pm
Scrubbing power, with effortless bristles with unrivalled durability, also the corners don't wear out unlike the square edge brushes so the bristles stay intact without curling etc.

Vikan are the king of brushes

I bought & used this brush Dave & I have to say, I can't agree with you. It does have a nice action but it's just TOO HEAVY & has way too many bristles! I cannot imagine using it on the SL2 :o ;D

Superb for washing the van though. ;)

Gardiners re-introduced 15 degree DT semi-flocked all the way. :D
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: darren clarke on November 05, 2010, 08:02:03 pm
dave, which new vikan  can u put  a link up
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Lee GLS on November 05, 2010, 08:18:43 pm
dave, which new vikan  can u put  a link up

if you look on gardiners its on there, its a square one with round ends and green and red bristles, i bought a couple for leaded houses, as my supa lite mono jumps about too much, the vikan holds too much water for me though, use the SL for everything else
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Lee GLS on November 05, 2010, 08:19:44 pm
here you go as im in a good mood tonight

http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Standard_Vikan_Brushes.html
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: darren clarke on November 05, 2010, 08:26:35 pm
this one
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: Lee GLS on November 05, 2010, 08:35:53 pm
thats the baby
Title: Re: COMING SOON - The Super-Lite Extreme Brush
Post by: darren clarke on November 05, 2010, 08:49:24 pm
will get one on monday,  been using DT gardiners,  bought a ST non flocked,  but getting bored of waiting for the new one to come out