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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on October 13, 2010, 12:13:22 am
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Project x info
1. if you door knock you might get some customers, although i believe one that comes to you is stronger than one hunted by door knocking, plus its your time doing it, whats that worth to you.
2. if you spend thousands a year on leafleting like I do at the moment you might get some customers.
3. if you advertise on yell, in the paper, local business book, and so on, you might get some customers for the money you spent
4. if you pay a small fortune to a canvassing company you you might get some well priced strong customers, or you might get mucked around.
YOU MIGHT GET SOME CUSTOMERS!!
sure all of these methods do work, i know ive done them, but they all have down sides dont they.
imagine that EVERY pound you spent got you a well priced strong customer and that it didnt cost you anything close to 3x a clean value. that concept is the foundation of what im trying to do.
just so you know ive spent £8000 this year on leafleting, did every pound get me a customer? hell no!
hey in the end its a new thing and may or may not work i really dont know at this time. If it doesnt work i would rather have tried and failed than not tried at all and would have only been my money wasted.
keep you eyes peeled over the next week as stage 1 will unfold soon.
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keep me informed ;) lee
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sounds interesting
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r u doing sort of what window washer is doing, bu then charging for the jobs, a bit like an agency?
if your spending 8 grand on leaflets and they aint bringing a lot of work in, i wouldnt bother leafleting
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i know what you mean i have just ordered 10000 double sided leaflets to be delivered and then canvassed after,im hoping to pick up 10k minimum and then do another 10000 lealet drop in another area!
r u doing sort of what window washer is doing, bu then charging for the jobs, a bit like an agency?
if your spending 8 grand on leaflets and they aint bringing a lot of work in, i wouldnt bother leafleting
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doc, i use to do leaflets hoping it would bring in work, it brought some in, but have picked up more knocking doors, know i just use my flayers as business cards, the amount of areas i have leafleted and not got any thing, then knocked and pick some up for example leaflets a road got 1 been doing it 9 months knocked yesterday got 8, wont waste my money on leaflets again, would rather spend the time knocking
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i want every house to have a leaflet before the area is canvassed m8!
want everyone to have heard of us and stand out in the area as a proffesional outfit,
doc, i use to do leaflets hoping it would bring in work, it brought some in, but have picked up more knocking doors, know i just use my flayers as business cards, the amount of areas i have leafleted and not got any thing, then knocked and pick some up for example leaflets a road got 1 been doing it 9 months knocked yesterday got 8, wont waste my money on leaflets again, would rather spend the time knocking
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i understand that, but u can look profession in a clean van and uniformed, , i just found leaflets no good, but a lot swear by them,
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well my leafleting does bring in customers, of course it would when you deliver 100k of them, im just sayinf you never really know what will come in what its worth or when they will phone.
to answer your question I dont know much about window washers or what it does.
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Very interested in your plan Lee,
Keep us up to date with your plan. I have something similar in the pipeline... Just waiting to see what comes of it ;)
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I enjoy doing my own canvassing as many do, all it costs is time, and its a quick way to build custom. And for commercial custom then cold calling seems to be the best attack.
There are a few that will buy rounds, but these are established rounds. Selling on new enquiries is going to be very different but I wish you good luck with it, if it works out then it'll be a nice extra bonus.
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I will be selling customers that have.
come to us of their own accord
decided on the frequency they want
been priced up and agreed to it
have understood info on wfp, gutter vac, jet washing and so on
have understood they will be getting a cleaner that covers their local area
they will be sold for 1-1.5x a clean value, after that its up to the cleaner to make of them what they will.
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Hi Lee
keep me int the loop as well. Trying everything at the minute without much success , like you say bits and bobs but usually doesnt justify the expense or hastle.
Doctor windows.
Do you mean 10 k per annum from your campaign, or 10 k of order value cos i
dont get anything like the latter for 10000 leaflets could feasibly get a 100 customers if as you say your canvassing after to follow up that would give you 10 k plus per annum with monthly clients?
cheers
john
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maybe let other window cleaners put jobs up for sale on the website if your having one, and offer a commison payment of 30-50% of the sale price. i know there is already a place to sell whole rounds but what about the single jobs that are not in your area ???
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So a £300 guttervac job would cost me up to £450? As a lot of guttervac jobs are one offs, it wouldn't be worth my while doing it for £150.
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick ???
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my advice is get out there and find your own work by canvassing and leaflets!im well established so ive got plenty of work most of the time.i normally just take on work through recommendation nowadays although i will canvass a road if i get one new custy in a area i dont clean.
dazmond
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I will be selling customers that have.
come to us of their own accord
decided on the frequency they want
been priced up and agreed to it
have understood info on wfp, gutter vac, jet washing and so on
have understood they will be getting a cleaner that covers their local area
they will be sold for 1-1.5x a clean value, after that its up to the cleaner to make of them what they will.
I think it is a great idea Lee,
and I will provide the same for anyone thats interested should I get any customers in different areas for last 3/4 years I have given them away for free.
im not going to do more than that though, so Lee im not interested in being competition to you.
I have a job in Luton Gutter cleaning if anyones interested already priced £100 for the cleaner.
Sorry to hijack lee
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So a £300 guttervac job would cost me up to £450? As a lot of guttervac jobs are one offs, it wouldn't be worth my while doing it for £150.
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick ???
A good question and yes I have an answer to that, which of course I cant say right now, but I will say that your asumption is wrong and you would be well in the money.
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Want 10000 pounds worth of work per year from it.but that includes the 10000 houses canvassed after.
This is only really 100 houses and 10 pounds a custy.
So anything above that I will be very happy.
Plus hoping to pull in lots of other work like driveway cleaning.gutter and conny work
Hi Lee
keep me int the loop as well. Trying everything at the minute without much success , like you say bits and bobs but usually doesnt justify the expense or hastle.
Doctor windows.
Do you mean 10 k per annum from your campaign, or 10 k of order value cos i
dont get anything like the latter for 10000 leaflets could feasibly get a 100 customers if as you say your canvassing after to follow up that would give you 10 k plus per annum with monthly clients?
cheers
john
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Lee, I admire anyone who tries to bring a resolution to anything.
But your not actually saying what your doing, so the plan is speculative - nobody can make an informed choice/decision. Once its in the bag and up and running you would be better talking about it. Titbits dont help, but I wish you luck and hope everything works out.
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I will be selling customers that have.
come to us of their own accord
decided on the frequency they want
been priced up and agreed to it
have understood info on wfp, gutter vac, jet washing and so on
have understood they will be getting a cleaner that covers their local area
they will be sold for 1-1.5x a clean value, after that its up to the cleaner to make of them what they will.
I think it is a great idea Lee,
and I will provide the same for anyone thats interested should I get any customers in different areas for last 3/4 years I have given them away for free.
im not going to do more than that though, so Lee im not interested in being competition to you.
I have a job in Luton Gutter cleaning if anyones interested already priced £100 for the cleaner.
Sorry to hijack lee
Well surely it is an either/or situation Ian? If you charge someone for a page on your website (albeit at a very reasonable rate) would it then be alright to charge them on top if the customer inquiry in an advertiser's area is incorrectly made to you instead of the advertiser (as has happened occasionally)?
Not having a go but just pointing out that you may need to think about how you would go about this in order to continue to do things ethically (as you have always done in the past).
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Lee, I admire anyone who tries to bring a resolution to anything.
But your not actually saying what your doing, so the plan is speculative - nobody can make an informed choice/decision. Once its in the bag and up and running you would be better talking about it. Titbits dont help, but I wish you luck and hope everything works out.
it worked very well for gardiner poles when they did the same thing although that was for a product and not a service. I remember when orange did the same thing when they first started for months on end you got some daft advert of an orange square and not actually what it was or who they were i think sometimes doing little titbits gets people wanting to know more and builds up speculation however i'm no expert but it keeps people interested untill launch day .
paul
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Its just not on the same scale, Orange is a household name. Yep Lees got you all talking, great, but what are you all talking about? Nobody knows. Orange had the budget to do national advertising.
Once again I wish Lee luck, and hope it all works out.
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no my point was these little titbits do keep everyone guessing and speculating which the way i see it help, orange are a home name now but when they first started there adverts nobody new what was being advertised or who they were on a bigger scale yes but the principle is the same.
not that i'm trying to argue to be honest i couldn't care less what it is but wish him all the luck.. :)
paul
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me too P1, I hope that if anyone starts something it works
x
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Kate is clearly a clear thinker, I am creating interest with the view that when I launch and disclose the lot people will be ready and waiting to learn what its all about, and its all a bit of fun in the mean time
heres a tit bit for you, it will star off in surrey and sussex!!!
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So a £300 guttervac job would cost me up to £450? As a lot of guttervac jobs are one offs, it wouldn't be worth my while doing it for £150.
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick ???
A good question and yes I have an answer to that, which of course I cant say right now, but I will say that your asumption is wrong and you would be well in the money.
Ok. Fair enough
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please enlighten me
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are you going to tell me what the flaw is? then i may be able to answer your question
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Project x info
1. if you door knock you might get some customers, although i believe one that comes to you is stronger than one hunted by door knocking, plus its your time doing it, whats that worth to you.
2. if you spend thousands a year on leafleting like I do at the moment you might get some customers.
3. if you advertise on yell, in the paper, local business book, and so on, you might get some customers for the money you spent
4. if you pay a small fortune to a canvassing company you you might get some well priced strong customers, or you might get mucked around.
YOU MIGHT GET SOME CUSTOMERS!!
sure all of these methods do work, i know ive done them, but they all have down sides dont they.
imagine that EVERY pound you spent got you a well priced strong customer and that it didnt cost you anything close to 3x a clean value. that concept is the foundation of what im trying to do.
just so you know ive spent £8000 this year on leafleting, did every pound get me a customer? hell no!
hey in the end its a new thing and may or may not work i really dont know at this time. If it doesnt work i would rather have tried and failed than not tried at all and would have only been my money wasted.
keep you eyes peeled over the next week as stage 1 will unfold soon.
Do you mean if I spent £1 I would get 1 customer and if i spent £100 I would recieve 100 customers?
Cause that would be good return.
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But guys your all arguing about something that you dont know about whats the point?
Unless clear facts/information cant make an informed decision
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nice try ewan but no more info today.
stauart i simply meant that there would be no more money wasted on things that may bring you a customer
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Kate your so right, I will want a chat with you soon please.
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nice try ewan but no more info today.
stauart i simply meant that there would be no more money wasted on things that may bring you a customer
So what ROI in a 12 month period?
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ewan getting closer to the mark now lol!!! all i can say is you see that as a problem and every problem has a solution.
Stuart return on your invesmeant depends on alot of things, take the one I sold yesterday for £18 at 6 weekly, over 1 year that customer will spend £155.00 and they may spend more if they have something extra like gutters cleared at lets say £70 so thats £225 minus the £18 it cost the window cleaner to obtain that customer, I think thats a pretty good return.
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Pot and kettle.
Since when did you explain in simple terms what acacia. does?
Lee is to charge 1.1 for solid /ish work- if his notion takes flight.Thats pretty direct and clear.
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Slump, I dont know what your getting at or asking?
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mugs, its been done, open your eyes boys. ;)
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mugs, its been done, open your eyes boys. ;)
Tell me more? if you guess right I will admit it ;)
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Kate your so right, I will want a chat with you soon please.
Steady on! It`s not that sort of place here.
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Kate your so right, I will want a chat with you soon please.
Steady on! It`s not that sort of place here.
:o ;)
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tell it how it is, i did and it helped my work no end. :)
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I suppose a certain amount of trust would be involved really too. If someone has previously been honest, truthful and reliable then it is more likely that others would wish to be involved. On the other hand if someone has previously broken their word a number of times and come out with bs, then it's less likely that such involvement would happen.
Trust is VERY important IMO.