Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: CARPET KNIGHTS on October 12, 2010, 02:18:21 pm
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Had my van wieght the other day. It is a Peugeot Boxer 3.5 gwt that has got a capacity of 1.8 tonne which i believe is among the better carrying capacity of the vans available.
I don't carry a huge amount of kit just a vacuum, agitator, some chems (not too many), Wands and my 450d maxx and tanks.
I was fully laden with water and fuel and i was sat in it. The weight was 3360kg which gave me 140kg spare.
How do you guys with less capable vans manage to keep underweight?
Cheers Goron
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By using a triple vac (With TM performance :D) and keeping trim by exercising 6 days a week ;D ;D ;D
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By making sure we have a better van than a peugot boxer ;D
Geoff
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By having a buffer, vac , blowersx2 box of tools/chems, 2 x rakes , sprayer, small extractor and hoses a few pads and me dinner, I was 2450kg when I last weighed my transit, 350kg under.
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note to self, must cut down on maccies.
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Or deliver bigger logs before driving ;D
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Perhaps i should've said people with tm's. It would be easy to keep underweight with a portable.
Geoff the boxer has a better load capacity than most vans which is what i said in my post for example boxer can carry 1800kg transit can carry 1500kg so the boxer is capable of carrying 300kg more. if i had a transit i would be 160kg overweight!
Cheers Goron
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How much water and fuel etc Goron ?.
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Water tank almost full (not sure of how much it holds i think they are normally about 400L) TM diesel tank 3/4 full (holds about 25L) Van diesel tank 3/4 full holds about 67L.
So you are looking at about 470 litres of fluid which equates to 470kg
Cheers Goron
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So how do you all keep the weight down?
I see that vauxhall are doing a new 4.5 tonne movano with a payload of 2.5 tonne perhaps this is the way forward?
Cheers Goron
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fill up at custies house, remember, you can work while its filling, empty at custies house, simples.
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About a year ago someone on here asked for an opinion on a truckmount mounted in a Transit 260. I responded by saying good truckmount but it (and the rest of the kit) will over weight the van. The reply I got suggested that it wasn't an issue. Clearly it is.
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When I ran concrete wagons , they were always overweight (every company in the country is overweight at some point) About 500 kg of water was carried at any time, I got pulled once and told to follow a VOSA car to the weighbridge , I simply cracked open the tap on the back of the wagon , and weighed in at 20kg over , got let off.
Surely a tap would be easy to fit to a TM tank for such a case.
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My fresh tank has a drain cock, not sure if everyone's does ??? I have a few feet of open ended solution hose attached to it, very handy for filling up a bucket or sprayer ;)
I rarely run with a full tank, 95% of jobs water is not an issue. But it's always the one you arrive at empty where you can't get water :(
Goron, Gross vehicle weight is one thing but did you weigh your AXLES separately? Whilst still being inside GVW, you could be underweight on one axle and overweight on the other.... still a fine coming your way >:(
With a submount tank and machine fitted up against the bulkhead as normal, the longer the wheelbase the more prone to being overweight on the front axle you are.
There should be a plate riveted to the inside of one of your door openings telling you all the different maximum weights it can run.
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I know how much I can put in the van and still be legal. Most TM and van set ups that I have seen are clearly overweight and I get the impression that their owners are unaware that, that is the case. Some seem to load up as much gear and chems as they can fit in the back. I remember one CC, not that long ago that had a new TM fitted in his van, only to find that when he took it to be weighed, his unit was that much over weight, he had to get a different van and pay again, to transfer the TM.
Dave.
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problem solved
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was that a typing error ! Goron ? 3360KG
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Think i heard about that dave,and am sure there are a few running around in an overweight van maybe..
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problem solved
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unfortunately not :( :( the trailer weight is added to the weight of the van so you would still be too high
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Have fun stopping that freezing over the Winter.
How do they weatherproof it? Large tarpaulin.
John
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no Stuart not a typing error 3360kg or 3.36 tonne
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problem solved
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unfortunately not :( :( the trailer weight is added to the weight of the van so you would still be too high
How do you mean Mike. The 'train load' is more then the vans max gross weight.
Dave.
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not sure of the exact detail
this is cut & pasted from the
government site
The maximum laden weight of a trailer which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight. Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight or the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded. It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.
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as long as you don't exeed each individual laden weight then its okay, you don't add the trailer weight to your van weight. would be pointless getting a trailer if you had to empty your van. ???
just need to check your gross train weight for that particular vehicle
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Copied from http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/requirementsfortrailers
Weight
In the case of light trailers, that is less than 3500kg maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.
For M1 category vehicles (motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat) the maximum permissible trailer weight is quoted by the vehicle manufacturer. Alternatively, the vehicle manufacturer may provide a maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle). If this is exceeded it is possible that the Courts or Insurance Companies may take the view that this constitutes a danger.
The maximum laden weight of a trailer which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight. Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight or the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded. It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.
It is not a requirement to display a notice of the unladen weight of the trailer or the towing vehicle, unless the towing vehicle is either a motor tractor or a locomotive, as defined in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
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Getting a van over 3500 gross runs into lots of bureaucracy with registering it so don't buy one until you know what you are getting into.
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Not sure but I think some newbie licences may not allow you to tow a trailer, then there are some limitation on some licences (The ability to tow a caravan or trailer will depend on the driving licence you hold. The category entitlement on your driving licence will determine the type of trailer you can tow.) fortunity I still have the red book type and lists every thing ;Dexcluding hgv and psv
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Not sure but I think some newbie licences may not allow you to tow a trailer, then there are some limitation on some licences (The ability to tow a caravan or trailer will depend on the driving licence you hold. The category entitlement on your driving licence will determine the type of trailer you can tow.) fortunity I still have the red book type and lists every thing ;Dexcluding hgv and psv
Lens right.
Taken from the same link as before...............
Other considerations
The above information relates to basic construction requirements and some aspects of the use of trailers. In addition it is recommended that you check that you have the appropriate Driving Licence entitlement and whether the vehicle or combination of vehicles requires a tachograph to record driver's hours. The latter will apply to most vehicles and combinations of vehicles above 3500kg gross weight where used for commercial purposes.