Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on October 11, 2010, 02:20:17 pm
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A new customer has contacted us today from outside the area we cover and therefor I wish to sell it.
spec is for WFP only.
3 bed detatched, clean every 6 weeks aprox, no conservatory or extension, customer works from home.
Our price list has put this house at £18.00 per clean, i have discussed that with the customer and he is happy with that price (said they are dirty and would pay more for first clean)
Customer is aware it wont be us and that he would be passed to another company.
Price for sale is £20.00 payable through our web site via pay pal, once recieved all the customer details will be emailed to you.
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Selling one custy that you haven't done yet.sad!!
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If you was joking,sorry I didn't get the joke
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The credit crunch must be biting hard Lee!
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there must be a joke in there somewhere but i cant see it.
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What a shame we have such small minded people on here!
Let me try to help you.
Canvassing companies charge 2-3 times the clean value for weak under priced work!
This customer has come to us (much stronger than door knocking)
it has been well priced and he is happy to pay it (£18.00 for an average 3 bed house!!!!!)
he is happy that it will not be us but another WFP company that does cover his area (we dont)
He is happy that he may have to pay more for the first clean as they are dirty.
I am looking for £20.00 for this customer, if know one is up for it then i will simply call him back and say I havent managed to find him a window cleaner.
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so what if he only has them done once
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Lee,
I'm sure the guy made all of the right noises over the phone, pay more, done regular ect.
The facts are it is an account that you have not met or serviced. (even a canvassing company meets the custies)
If you really feel you need to sell it on instead of giving it away, I would make that call to him.
Lee
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oh dear! what a waste of time this is, well if anyone covering that area wants to have a serious chat with me then by all means let me know.
And as for the question what if he only wants it done once, what a stupid question that is indeed. surley thats the case for ANY customer, if you knock doors or send out leaflets that costs time and money, so what if they only want it done once!
I should mention that my first question to any customer when they call my office is are you looking for a regular cleaner or a one off as this has a bearing on the price.
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come on lee, i wouldn't dream of charging for one customer. just put someone onto her. It does seem a bit tight ;)
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What a shame we have such small minded people on here!
Let me try to help you.
Canvassing companies charge 2-3 times the clean value for weak under priced work!
This customer has come to us (much stronger than door knocking)
it has been well priced and he is happy to pay it (£18.00 for an average 3 bed house!!!!!)
he is happy that it will not be us but another WFP company that does cover his area (we dont)
He is happy that he may have to pay more for the first clean as they are dirty.
I am looking for £20.00 for this customer, if know one is up for it then i will simply call him back and say I havent managed to find him a window cleaner.
lee ya couldnt make this stuff up could ya, they must think ur a charity.
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And as for the question what if he only wants it done once, what a stupid question that is indeed.
so why isit a stupid question.
y not just pass it on as to who ever as it may get a call for work in an area you do and phone you up and pass on there details.swings and roundabouts the saying goes
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If they only want it done once, then you're £20 up the windy is £2 down after spending an hour on a first clean. I've given far more valuable work than that away.
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Lee does it have to be cleaned wfp?
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Lee does it have to be cleaned wfp?
at last a sensible question! the answer is, the chap called me today as one of our existing customers recomended us to him not knowing we dont cover that area, and there for thought he would be getting a wfp window cleaner, from our conversation I think he just wants a window cleaner that also does frames and sills..... so if you are interested i will call him back and ask if he doesnt mind either way at the same price and let you know.
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I cover that area would be interested give me a call cheers Nigel 07957697155
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Why the hell shouldn't Lee charge for it? I know it's unusual to sell such a small amount of work but I see no reason why it shouldn't happen that way. Asking for the price of the first clean or thereabouts (rather than 2x or 3x or whatever) probably compensates for not having seen the job.
I once paid £30 for a £15 job (not to Lee BTW ;D ) and am still doing it about 8 or 9 cleans later.
Some years ago (c.2000) I gave away work valued about £500 a month. I was moving elsewhere and didn't want the hassle of servicing it any more. It was mostly badly underpriced with a lot of messerabouters and I wouldn't have had the cheek to charge for it. That was a different proposition though because I know Lee prices his work favourably.
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so what if he only has them done once
What if a customer that a canvassing company secure only has them done once?
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nothing wrong with earning a little extra, and its only £20 a steal for £18 a clean imo
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the customer has now been sold and I decided to come down to 1 clean value so it has now gone for £18.00
final details will be passed to that cleaner tomorrow morning after i confirm the customer is still happy to go ahead.
it will be interesting to find out if that really is a good job with a good customer after all. so as it turns out not such a joke in the end. ;D ;D customer has a great new window cleaner, he has a well priced job right on his doorstep and I have £18 for bringing it together.
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:P
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;D ;D ;D very good, i love it!
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times must be hard Lee if you can't pass an £18 job on ;)
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times are not hard at all mate, quite the opposite in fact.
i really dont see this as any different to paying a canvasser other than the good points like its well priced and im not charging a silly amount for it.
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i guess it must be down to ethics, for 18 quid i probably couldn't be arsed to even type this thread. i would of just said chuck us a mail and i'll forward you the details.
Each to thier own
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lee is this something to do with your idea to bring in new customers that you was talking about??
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everyone. I have a well priced detached house custy for sale its a £3 front and i want a fiver for it any takers? dazmond this could be right up your street mate with dont you have prices high like this on your books...
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lee is this something to do with your idea to bring in new customers that you was talking about??
I see that ronnie is paying attention ;)
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Seriously is this what you were talking about?
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Seriously is this what you were talking about?
it may just be a small part of the bigger picture
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PROJECT X RESEARCH
As I said before i am working on something that will benefit other wc when its launched, there is nothing else like it.
It is isn't it.
I have to say selling a bit of work here and there, well I dont agree with what others have been saying about selling work; but THIS is not what you were trying to make out it was is in previous threads.
You are a complete turkey if you think this is what youve been trying to imply it is. What an amateur! PMSL. I was expecting something entirely 'out the box'; you boys, like this marketing stuff hasnt been thought of before
Lee you're an amateur, trying to make out this is massive proves you are, as its as basic selling/marketing as you can get. Selling the odd job is not earth-moving marketing, it might be to you pal but most people in this game 3 months have thought of that.
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the one thing i have never understood on this forum is why people are so rude to each other, i just dont think there is any need for it at all.
You have made some very insulting coments there without having any of the facts about anything I am doing, you have no idear who you are talking to or wether im an amature or not, you no nothing of my existing business, my background, what im working on, nothing. what im doing is costing thousands of pounds and months and months of hard work on my part, your going to feel pretty stupid for opening your mouth like that to someone you dont know if it does end up working out.
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Lets face it Lee, flogging the odd house here and there isnt rocket science. Or even flogging a weeks worth of new enquiries.
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To be honest I dont think thats Lees long term plan by the sound of it. Hes trying to build that service on a national scale, from what I can understand. Thats why he was talking about radio advertising a while back
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i always pass on ( give ) any work i cant do for whatever reason , location etc to other w/c s , inc one on here , and in return they pass some on to me . no fees , just friendly help . im sure it evens out.
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i can't see what the problem is if it was a job worth £100 per month and he was selling it for £110 their would be loads of people wanting to pay for it ::)
As for people being rude it's what happens online because people aren't face to face they feel they can say what ever they want.
now play nicely boy and girls ;D ;D
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i always pass on ( give ) any work i cant do for whatever reason , location etc to other w/c s , inc one on here , and in return they pass some on to me . no fees , just friendly help . im sure it evens out.
thats all well and good, but im in business to make money not friends, If you can make some friends along the way great.
Things will become clear in time
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not shor wiy thers a problem with wots on offer it sounds good enuf ??? ???
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but im in business to make money not friends
Stop whinging when someone disagrees with you then. Spades a spade in my book.
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Hes trying to build that service on a national scale, from what I can understand.
He said no-one else had tried it.
He needs to take a good look at Window washers website then.
Thats why he was talking about radio advertising a while back
Thats been done before.
Next ;D
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Im only speculating, I dont know for sure what Lee has planned.
Hard to comment when I dont have the full picture.
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you dont even know what it is.
window washes does just the same has say yell. you advertise and pay for it, if he his going to quote and provide the ustomer i feel it is very muh different.
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you dont even know what it is.
lee is this something to do with your idea to bring in new customers that you was talking about??
I see that ronnie is paying attention ;)
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I dunno but that bleedin advert at the bottom is annoying ;)
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the one thing i have never understood on this forum is why people are so rude to each other, i just dont think there is any need for it at all.
Thats the downside to forums, they're there for general participation. And if someone thinks what you are doing is stupid then its open for them to say so. You don't like it, like you say you're not in business to like or be liked, but somehow it bothers you . Maybe if you'd of posted this in the business leads section it wouldn't be open for ridicule. You didn't do that, you posted it in the general section, and to be honest its not even a job you're selling. Its no more than a lead and you've dropped it two quid into the bargain.
To be honest my initial thought was that you where mad, but seeing some of the repiles here i think you may have found a niche clientele to sell your 'leads' to, a few of the guys here seem to think what you are doing is a good idea? Anyone savvy and local enough will be out canvassing the BN7 3/ area.
God bless ya, you seem a trier to me !!! Good luck ;D
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rise and shine, you do not have all the facts about my little project, in fact it is something different that at this time i do not wish to share all the details of. and im sure that when i do you and many other people on here will have something rude or negative to say. on the other hand there will be people that will see the potential and decide to act on it.
at least im trying to think of something to improve our industry for both customers and window cleaners, im putting in a lot of time on this on top of running my existing business and I dont mind telling you its costing me in the region of 10k
bottom line is mate wether or not people agree with me or not I did sell that customer for £18 today and there will be pleanty more coming up along the same lines next year, and I have no doubt in my mind that there will be cleaners willing to buy them. I believe that customer is getting cleaned tomorrow, it will be interesting to get some feed back about it.
In the mean time, I try to have an open mind when it comes to business and other peoples idears and i find that serves me well, maybe you should to.
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gud on you m8 id a sold it too ;) ;)
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Save your money pal, its all been done before.
Theres investing in your business and theres stupidity.
Heres a good suggestion, I'll admit its been thought of before ~ Give your coppers to a charity instead, thats a good suggestion isnt it.
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Hi Lee
is this customer the trial run of the new marketing strategy.
People on here are so small minded it is cos they are one man bands and dont see investment as a way forward.
i would gladly buy it if it was anywhere near me. I would just talk him up on the initial clean to cover your fee then if he bumps just lost my time. thats time i havnt wasted on canvassing.
of course the potential is if he approached you is he will stick. so makes it a good buy.
cheers
john
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well John has his head in the right direction.
not really a trial run, as that customer came to me with no marketing as it was a referal from one of mine, but the way it was priced and sold is what will be happening, what part of the country are you in john?
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gud on you m8 id a sold it too ;) ;)
:o what even to me ?? you prob charge me £40 not £20 though .... ;)
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small minded? investing in our business?
lmfao
come on get real ITS ONE CUSTOMER AT 18 QUID A CLEAN!!
if it was a commercial of a few hundred i would snap his hand off.
if it was 15 customers in one area i would consider paying it.
if i had a canvasser come to me with one sign up i would probably laugh and tell them that they need to give up the game.
its not small minded its just laughable that someone would sell a 18 pound house for 18 quid when they have been asked if they could clean there house.
I think 'the one man bands' that someone just referred to need to reconsider what their saying. lol
i don't or won't get caught in mud slinging but come on get real here
I'll repeat in simple terms
Its an 18 pound house.
christ get your head out your arses!!
;)
Now lee if this was a tester for your next master plan then fair play but its not its a referrel so all the bull crap and bravado is nonsense.
I'll repeat in case anyone missed it
ITS ONE CUSTOMER AT 18 QUID :D
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Exactly. Well said.
Theres a number of things in all this apparent development that doesnt add up.
Firstly, the potential customers are meant to be approaching Pryors off their own back
I will be selling customers that have.
come to us of their own accord
but Lee claims he's spent up to 10K of his own money on this scheme, well on what if the customers are the ones making the contact?
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I do know what Lee is planning and, frankly, I can't wait. If it works, it'll be beautiful.
Additionally, I know that a call to Lee isn't a "prospect" or a "potential custy". It's a customer. Yes, it might be a one-off, but I suspect not, given the way leads come to him. Same misconception from Rise 'n Shine when he suggested I hadn't gained 30 customers from my leaflet drop, just prospects. You're commenting on stuff with no knowledge of our businesses.
As for paying £18 for an £18 a month custy, I'll do that with joy in my heart. Cheapest prospecting ever, including canvassing (add up your time and see how cheap it really is).
Anyway, van full again, so off now.
Vin
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i pay for it
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Same misconception from Rise 'n Shine when he suggested I hadn't gained 30 customers from my leaflet drop, just prospects. You're commenting on stuff with no knowledge of our businesses.
A mis-read, thats all.
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Exactly. Well said.
Theres a number of things in all this apparent development that doesnt add up.
Firstly, the potential customers are meant to be approaching Pryors off their own back
I will be selling customers that have.
come to us of their own accord
but Lee claims he's spent up to 10K of his own money on this scheme, well on what if the customers are the ones making the contact?
If I told you all right now it would be silly as its not ready yet and we would all be having less fun with each other along the way. rise and shine why are you so negative and closed minded?
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Because its ALL been touted on here before, Ronnie Paton used to come on blabbing off on a Saturday night after he'd had one too many sherberts, couldnt remember what he used to say and go round the following day deleting his posts, then wasshisface Terry Turbo did EXACTLY the same, never heard any more of his miracle marketing scheme.
Look whos popped up now, another old face from the past on here with another get rich quick scheme, albeit not window cleaning as such, just your general run of the mill internet marketing 'stuff'. Which was also 'unique, cant fail, free, wonderful returns, retire after 3 days investment, live the life of reilly', all too good to be true.
It goes on and on.
J. DeMarco was another.
Of course you cant tell us what is 'yet' because there is no such thing as a unique selling/marketing opportunity anymore, THEYVE ALL BEEN DONE.
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Rise, that was a funny post albeit whats going on.
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Because its ALL been touted on here before, Ronnie Paton used to come on blabbing off on a Saturday night after he'd had one too many sherberts, couldnt remember what he used to say and go round the following day deleting his posts, then wasshisface Terry Turbo did EXACTLY the same, never heard any more of his miracle marketing scheme.
Look whos popped up now, another old face from the past on here with another get rich quick scheme, albeit not window cleaning as such, just your general run of the mill internet marketing 'stuff'. Which was also 'unique, cant fail, free, wonderful returns, retire after 3 days investment, live the life of reilly', all too good to be true.
It goes on and on.
J. DeMarco was another.
Of course you cant tell us what is 'yet' because there is no such thing as a unique selling/marketing opportunity anymore, THEYVE ALL BEEN DONE.
i'll let you into a secret. if you knock enough doors you will gain enough work.
until people want to get onto the next level (commercial) thats pretty much how you conquere the domestic market.
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gud on you m8 id a sold it too ;) ;)
:o what even to me ?? you prob charge me £40 not £20 though .... ;)
pmsl m8 ;D
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Rise,
Your standard knee-jerk response to most things seems to be one of :
It'll never work
You're lying
You're new in this business, your view is therefore invalid
It's been tried before therefore it will never work
Someone (insert name here) is trying to rip everyone off
I feel quite sorry for you; you seem so closed-minded. Perhaps you should start your own forum where you can rant at will. Oh, hang on, it's been tried before...
Vin (New in the business therefore ignore me)
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Its not knee-jerk mate, Ive read Pryors posts (remember this little scenario started about 3 weeks back with a pointless pole about who was WFP and who wasn't) and given them some thought, Ive tried to consider what he could be getting at and to be honest I thought it CANT be just selling on enquiries; its not unique like he says, it wouldnt take 10K to do that, it has been done before! Then Ponnie Paton asked that question directly on here and the answer was affirmative. Unbelievable.
So yes I am sceptical about this, its all been done before, years ago, sorry buddy but you are young and naive in this game. Keep digging.
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i pay for it
Squeaky doesn't - but then look at the quality of what he gets! ;D ;D ;D
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Its not knee-jerk mate, Ive read Pryors posts (remember this little scenario started about 3 weeks back with a pointless pole about who was WFP and who wasn't) and given them some thought, Ive tried to consider what he could be getting at and to be honest I thought it CANT be just selling on enquiries; its not unique like he says, it wouldnt take 10K to do that, it has been done before! Then Ponnie Paton asked that question directly on here and the answer was affirmative. Unbelievable.
So yes I am sceptical about this, its all been done before, years ago, sorry buddy but you are young and naive in this game. Keep digging.
Ah your knee-jerk "You're new in this business, your view is therefore invalid" response.
QED.
Vin
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haha, im really starting to enjoy this. Rise and shine dont knock me for doing a little market research on here, that is generaly a good idear when thinking about a new business, i may have done a pole about wfp and trad, but you dont know why do you? well there you go.
The thing i find most funny is the way you actually have no clue about the idear or what makes it unique and yet you slate it and me anyway, a bit like a child that wont try some new food because they dont like the way it looks only to try it later to find out that in fact they love it!
hey, tell you what, lets all try to not think of ways to develop our businesses and our little industry and for god sake lets not try to make any money along the way, that would be a much better world to live in wouldnt it.
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haha, im really starting to enjoy this.
Not as much as some of us !!!! There'll be plenty reading this with their eyebrows raised.
Not me though, i'm gonna say 'oh i remember Lee when he first started it' !!! ;D
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Because its ALL been touted on here before, Ronnie Paton used to come on blabbing off on a Saturday night after he'd had one too many sherberts, couldnt remember what he used to say and go round the following day deleting his posts, then wasshisface Terry Turbo did EXACTLY the same, never heard any more of his miracle marketing scheme.
Look whos popped up now, another old face from the past on here with another get rich quick scheme, albeit not window cleaning as such, just your general run of the mill internet marketing 'stuff'. Which was also 'unique, cant fail, free, wonderful returns, retire after 3 days investment, live the life of reilly', all too good to be true.
It goes on and on.
J. DeMarco was another.
Of course you cant tell us what is 'yet' because there is no such thing as a unique selling/marketing opportunity anymore, THEYVE ALL BEEN DONE.
oakly what the hell you on about?
iv never deleted any of my post and im sure the moderator can second that!!
Blabbing about what matt, lets say in the lass 2 years since iv been blabbing on about nothing with my sherberts my business has more than doubled i have two full time staff which may well be three in the not too distant future.
iv gone from working I disagree off to doing very little and doing quite well out of it all has well, so maybe what you say is blabbing was true amd what i said worked.
sine you have been on here belittle and knocking every thing you can were have you and your business got two?
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Its obvious we are all going to have to agree to disagree.
I am bowing out of this, its more troublesome than its worth. I stand by just about everything Ive said, I dont wish to cause any ructions; I just disagree with you lot.
There is other stuff Id like to refer to but am not going to for the sake of the forum. It'll only cause more disagreements.
My last note is to Ronnie, my business is not only where I wanted it to be but a lot further down the road than any of my hopes, targets or expectations. I suppose I couldnt ask for more in that regard. Which is pretty good, huh?
I wish you well and maybe I will rejoin the discussion once Lee finally reveals this unique marketing strategy that no-one else has ever done and that has cost him what some might say is a small fortune.
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matt well done im glad your were you want to be, well you over achieved who would believe some one can do better than you think hey
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RE-CAP on job sold to me in Plumpton sussex.
I bought this job off Lee for £18 and was arranged for a six weekly clean. Arrived at the property, a property that i would have priced up for £15, so already on a winner ;-).
The man was very happy to see me, i explained that i was recommended by Lee Pryor and he said that was fine.
After a chat he asked me to also clean the insides and that he also wanted a gutter clean. So for an £18 layout i was getting £18 for the outside £27 for the inside and £50 for the gutter cleaning, also he does want the windows cleaned every 6 weeks and the insides done every 12 weeks so in total the job is worth a total of £323 approx every year.
The jobs that Lee is selling are not cold leads that could only be a once off clean, they are great jobs with the possibilty of extra's ie inside's con cleans and gutter cleans.These jobs are an absolute bargain at a very cheap price. thumbs up to Lee a great man to do business with.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Nigel I am so please this is a great job for you, its a win win for all involved, I will keep you posted on my new project for next year where this sort of sale will be a daily event starting off in surrey and sussex.
Thanks again Nigel!!!!!
Lee
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Ha ha - what a turn up!
Should of sold it for more :P :)
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Why the hell shouldn't Lee charge for it? I know it's unusual to sell such a small amount of work but I see no reason why it shouldn't happen that way. Asking for the price of the first clean or thereabouts (rather than 2x or 3x or whatever) probably compensates for not having seen the job.
I once paid £30 for a £15 job (not to Lee BTW ;D ) and am still doing it about 8 or 9 cleans later.
Some years ago (c.2000) I gave away work valued about £500 a month. I was moving elsewhere and didn't want the hassle of servicing it any more. It was mostly badly underpriced with a lot of messerabouters and I wouldn't have had the cheek to charge for it. That was a different proposition though because I know Lee prices his work favourably.
Hi Paul
I agree that if Lee charges people for customers like this, it is entirely up to him. Good Business.
However any houses that phone me and want cleaning in the Copthorne/Crawley areas, I will simply give you their details for free ;D
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RE-CAP on job sold to me in Plumpton sussex.
I bought this job off Lee for £18 and was arranged for a six weekly clean. Arrived at the property, a property that i would have priced up for £15, so already on a winner ;-).
The man was very happy to see me, i explained that i was recommended by Lee Pryor and he said that was fine.
After a chat he asked me to also clean the insides and that he also wanted a gutter clean. So for an £18 layout i was getting £18 for the outside £27 for the inside and £50 for the gutter cleaning, also he does want the windows cleaned every 6 weeks and the insides done every 12 weeks so in total the job is worth a total of £323 approx every year.
The jobs that Lee is selling are not cold leads that could only be a once off clean, they are great jobs with the possibilty of extra's ie inside's con cleans and gutter cleans.These jobs are an absolute bargain at a very cheap price. thumbs up to Lee a great man to do business with.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Everyones` a winner then. Good to hear.
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I've only just read this whole thread. Bargain!! & to have someone else sort everything out beforehand too! :o
Personally, I would pay for quality work this way. Even if the customer turns out bad, you haven't really lost much have you? ;D