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Title: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 04, 2010, 08:59:46 pm
i know it is off topic but has any one had there cards cloned and it being ended up used at betfair

got a business card and very rarely use it, but i used it on friday buying some poles in a shop and have just discovered that it has been used at betfair in london

just trying to find out what happened to you account and money?
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Frankybadboy on October 04, 2010, 09:01:29 pm
phone your credit card company right away and stop it.


tell them what happened and you should get a refund
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 04, 2010, 09:03:13 pm
just been on the phone to them that is how i discovered it was betfair,  i got to wait for the money to go out before they will refund it,  just trying to find out if any one else has had this
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Frankybadboy on October 04, 2010, 09:12:13 pm
i now go back to the last company where you used it and have words.

if what you say is true you dont hardly use it. ;)
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: 4Taz on October 04, 2010, 09:12:35 pm
Ask whether the bet was a winner first though!

He might have stuck £100 on Blackpool to beat Liverpool!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: chopsie on October 04, 2010, 09:14:58 pm
sounds like last nights episode of coronation street  :P
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 04, 2010, 09:24:05 pm
i use it once on friday at tescos to get fuel and friday afternoon at wintecs   the bets where placed on sunday at 10.50   normally if they clone a card these use it straight away to get the money out
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: chopsie on October 04, 2010, 09:26:34 pm
Have a word with Mrs Monkey, Perhaps she likes a little flutter  ;D
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 04, 2010, 09:33:45 pm
this card doesnt leave my wallet, it is where i hide my money, lol
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: bobby p on October 04, 2010, 09:50:20 pm
sounds like last nights episode of coronation street  :P

what happened in Corrie then ?(  im out of touch lately)

plus is that windie still in it ?
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: G Griffin on October 04, 2010, 09:53:54 pm
sounds like last nights episode of coronation street  :P

what happened in Corrie then ?(  im out of touch lately)

plus is that windie still in it ?

 Well.........sit down Bobby.....I`ll put the kettle on.......
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: the bfg on October 05, 2010, 07:14:31 am
i now go back to the last company where you used it and have words.

if what you say is true you dont hardly use it. ;)















NO you must not go back to the place were you used it as you are alerting them that you are on to them,   just go straight to the police and report it
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Klean07 on October 05, 2010, 09:06:58 am
I was in a similar situation last year. Someone from my previous address had used my name to obtain 2 credit cards which they spent over £5,000 on. I only realised this when I checked my credit report by chance.
It took 6 months for my name to be cleared as a bad debtor from Experian. It was a total nightmare trying to prove to card companys that it wasn't me >:(
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Panorama on October 05, 2010, 10:10:52 am
i use it once on friday at tescos to get fuel and friday afternoon at wintecs the bets where placed on sunday at 10.50 normally if they clone a card these use it straight away to get the money out
im glad this thread has appeared , it might shed some light on my cloned CARDS. wife went to buy some shopping in asda 6 wks ago, anyway payment was refused. when she returned home i had to phone the bank. went through my purchases ( yes i know what that is etc including wintecs), anyway next three purchases :  Bank asks £0.04 ,  me, no dont know what that is and who uses a credit card for 4p. Bank asks £1.49 clothing shop in Harrogate, me , no dont know that one. Bank, right this is the one we have stopped and interested in, £300 on a gambling website . me , no dont gamble on line. Bank, it was attempted 3 times in 40 minutes today. me , so what happens now. Bank we have stopped payment on gambling website and we will refund you the two purchaes that you dont recognise and we will send you out a new card. New card arrives use it again for some purchases ( including wintec ) wife in adsa again , same thing happens , payment refused. Phoned bank again who ask me what KKK is lol . me well i know of the KKK but i wouldnt purchase anything off them. Bank , they tried to take £1.39 at 1 o'clock in the morning today. Me , can you tell me since i got my new card where have i used it. Bank told me that i ued the card at 10 different shops of which 2 were online TK maxx and wintecs. I have received a new card this last week and iam going to do a little experiment............cause i need some new gear.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 05, 2010, 02:18:54 pm
i use it once on friday at tescos to get fuel and friday afternoon at wintecs the bets where placed on sunday at 10.50 normally if they clone a card these use it straight away to get the money out
im glad this thread has appeared , it might shed some light on my cloned CARDS. wife went to buy some shopping in asda 6 wks ago, anyway payment was refused. when she returned home i had to phone the bank. went through my purchases ( yes i know what that is etc including wintecs), anyway next three purchases : Bank asks £0.04 , me, no dont know what that is and who uses a credit card for 4p. Bank asks £1.49 clothing shop in Harrogate, me , no dont know that one. Bank, right this is the one we have stopped and interested in, £300 on a gambling website . me , no dont gamble on line. Bank, it was attempted 3 times in 40 minutes today. me , so what happens now. Bank we have stopped payment on gambling website and we will refund you the two purchaes that you dont recognise and we will send you out a new card. New card arrives use it again for some purchases ( including wintec ) wife in adsa again , same thing happens , payment refused. Phoned bank again who ask me what KKK is lol . me well i know of the KKK but i wouldnt purchase anything off them. Bank , they tried to take £1.39 at 1 o'clock in the morning today. Me , can you tell me since i got my new card where have i used it. Bank told me that i ued the card at 10 different shops of which 2 were online TK maxx and wintecs. I have received a new card this last week and iam going to do a little experiment............cause i need some new gear.

same here the only places i have used the card was wintecs and tesco,  yet it was used at betfair,
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: roundbuilder on October 05, 2010, 02:39:40 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: dan hughes on October 05, 2010, 04:39:23 pm
My mint card got done over

£1500 holiday via Expedia.

More frightening for me, my current account, Barclays

had 12 x £50 payments in one day made to DATACASH !

grr.

bUT BOTH BANKS SORTED IT ASAP, ALTHOUGH, i'VE CHECKED MY MINT BALANCE AND IT HASN'T BEEN ALTERED, BUT THE ROUGH INTEREST HAS BEEN FROZEN - SUPPOSEDLY!
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 05, 2010, 04:50:49 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.

Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: telboy on October 05, 2010, 05:58:34 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 05, 2010, 06:15:14 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: JSMC on October 05, 2010, 06:22:53 pm
this could be interestingi reckon.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Frankybadboy on October 05, 2010, 08:14:42 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs
welldone matt for that ;D ;D
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Panorama on October 05, 2010, 08:45:37 pm
my bank wouldnt tell me what the gambling website was. funny thing is , when i received the new card they asked me if i wanted the ppi. errr no thanks dont need it since you are scrutinising everything i buy lol. the also said thats the way they take money. a couple of small purchaes to test the water , then a big hit.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: davids3511 on October 05, 2010, 09:52:19 pm
Throwing no stones nor making any accusations but I was stuck one day with my Maestro card which Wintecs do not take for purchases anymore. I rang the wife who has a visa card and she made the purchase for me over the phone.

That was end of August. 20th September two O2 prepaids go though that account which had nothing to do with us. Rang First Direct straight away who were great and refunded straight away. They said these smaller withdrawals were often a prelude to a big whammy. They also said there wee other transactions on their way through that hadn't appeared on our statement yet which they also voided.

Could just be a coincedence though as that visa card smokes sometimes it is used so much.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 05, 2010, 09:59:45 pm
might have to give wintecs a bell tomoz  seems a bit of a coincedence, so many are getting cloned,   my other card takes a battering and if any card might get cloned thought it might of been that one,  but nothing
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Rob Knapman on October 06, 2010, 06:49:11 am
Hi guys this is interesting, just ordered some equipment off wintec webshop on monday afternoon, never used them before, then yesterday morning(tue) gets a call off HSBC fraud dept saying a attempted purchase was flagged up for an American phone company AT+T for $1(63p), so the bank have cancelled the card and are issuing me with another. Such a small amount, I wonder if they try with a little first just to see if they can get away with it and then move on to bigger amounts? Any way not wanting to point the finger at Wintec but it is very curious as I have made hundreds of internet purchases and its never happened before????
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 06, 2010, 08:20:05 am
That is what they generally do first I believe.

Sounds to me like someone at wintecs is asking for trouble, lets face it in all honesty IF you were to do something like this wouldnt you leave it a while between attempts?

might have to give wintecs a bell tomoz  seems a bit of a coincedence, so many are getting cloned,   my other card takes a battering and if any card might get cloned thought it might of been that one,  but nothing

Let us know what happens Monkey.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 06, 2010, 08:27:01 am
i think a lot just get the cards and use them as quickly as possible, in case they get stopped,  going to give wintecs a bell later   just seems funny that a lot of people are having proplems after buying from wintecs  maybe there web site has been hacked,  or it just be one big coincedence, 
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 06, 2010, 08:36:33 am
I wonder if it would be best to speak to your credit card fraud dept first.

Whatever you do, dont speak to the first bod you get on the phone at Wintecs.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 06, 2010, 09:01:47 am
spoke to a copper last nite, got told just report it to bank, have already done that, but they wont do any thing till the money goes out of the bank as at moment it is still pending, but when it goes out they will refund it and class it as fraud
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Rob Knapman on October 06, 2010, 11:19:25 am
Maybe the banks fraud depts will look at earlier transactions to see where the cards may have been compromised, put two and two together and investigate wintecs? Seems too be a few on here, maybe the banks have seen a lot more. My transaction was through the webshop, were anybodys done over the phone?
perhaps its just the website thats been hacked?  Bob.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 06, 2010, 12:00:09 pm
spoke to a bloke this morning and he got done for 500 at wintecs,   mine was done in the shop but they do everything throught there web site,  so it could be hacked
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: telboy on October 06, 2010, 12:04:14 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs

Smart arse
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 06, 2010, 12:04:54 pm
just spoke to wintecs, they said it cant be there system as they have a virus thing that checks there system 4 times a day, mmmm
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Panorama on October 06, 2010, 12:20:48 pm
Maybe the banks fraud depts will look at earlier transactions to see where the cards may have been compromised, put two and two together and investigate wintecs? Seems too be a few on here, maybe the banks have seen a lot more. My transaction was through the webshop, were anybodys done over the phone?
perhaps its just the website thats been hacked? Bob.
i made my first purchase over the phone and had no problems. my next purchases were through the website. it was after those purchases that i started having problems. like i say im going to use my card to purchase through website and see what happens.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 06, 2010, 02:06:25 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs

Smart arse

Cuh, theres gratitude for you.

In that case, W@nker.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 06, 2010, 02:07:40 pm
just spoke to wintecs, they said it cant be there system as they have a virus thing that checks there system 4 times a day, mmmm

So what about the individual who takes orders over the phone?
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Panorama on October 06, 2010, 02:27:50 pm


So what about the individual who takes orders over the phone?
Quote
this is what the bank also said. the person on the other end who as access to the system may sell the details on.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: telboy on October 06, 2010, 02:59:07 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs

Smart arse

Cuh, theres gratitude for you.

In that case, W@nker.

Charming ;)
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 06, 2010, 03:02:13 pm


So what about the individual who takes orders over the phone?
Quote
this is what the bank also said. the person on the other end who as access to the system may sell the details on.

unless u catch them, then it is hard to prove
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 06, 2010, 03:28:42 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs

Smart arse

Cuh, theres gratitude for you.

In that case, W@nker.

Charming ;)

I was only trying to help you and you called me a smart arse, I think I could say the same about you.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: telboy on October 06, 2010, 05:10:12 pm
someone at wintecs has explaining to do then hey

And thats only these two instances.


Who is Wintecs ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wintecs

Smart arse

Cuh, theres gratitude for you.

In that case, W@nker.

Charming ;)

I was only trying to help you and you called me a smart arse, I think I could say the same about you.

No offence mate
only joking ;D
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: gewindows on October 06, 2010, 07:04:53 pm
Glad to hear

 :-*
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Craig - CW Window Cleaning on October 08, 2010, 07:36:59 pm
my debit card has been cloned does this sound familiar.
Checked my account today and £600 has been taken and guess what I purchased something from wintecs on last thursday.
This can not be coincidence...
I will be talking to them asap. already spoken to the bank so its sorted with them.

Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: deeege on October 08, 2010, 07:42:35 pm
Why havnt wintecs been on to defend their company?

3 days now and still no comment. The silence is deafening imo...
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 08, 2010, 08:17:26 pm
my debit card has been cloned does this sound familiar.
Checked my account today and £600 has been taken and guess what I purchased something from wintecs on last thursday.
This can not be coincidence...
I will be talking to them asap. already spoken to the bank so its sorted with them.



this true or pi$$ take?
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Craig - CW Window Cleaning on October 08, 2010, 08:40:44 pm
its no wind up Darren.
I'm getting onto Barclays fraud department tomorrow about the wintecs site.
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 08, 2010, 08:43:54 pm
sorry to hear that mate,

i was with barclays and only had problems after using wintecs, and i use my other card all over the place,  thats why i was suprised when it happened,  chances are it has gone to betfair  and also get them to check a double payment never went out when u order at wintecs
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: Craig - CW Window Cleaning on October 08, 2010, 08:48:35 pm
yes all my money went to betfair, I have used and trust the wintecs guys ang gals.
Not saying its them directly but I would say their site has been compromised by a third party.

I'm getting my money back within 24 hours which is good news..
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: darren clarke on October 08, 2010, 08:53:12 pm
i was going paranoid thinking i was making it up

i might not be them, i was speaking to a computer nerd to day   who was telling me  that even if they check there system  if they aint looking for a certain program then they will not find it   sort of like a virus checker  and a lot of the time it could be the clearing house they use, but they have to get the info from wintecs,
Title: Re: cloned credit card
Post by: deeege on October 08, 2010, 09:02:44 pm
It takes much much more than a virus scanner to search for a hacked payment system. Hackers these days are very good at hiding the fraud trail...

That is, of course, unless it's an insider.

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