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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Geoff Jewkes on October 02, 2010, 03:31:24 pm
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Anyone use them ?? Is there a knack to using them?? I bought a craftex one for my Prochem Steempro as I do letting agent work and most of the time the hot water is off, I've used it today for the first time and to be honest I'm not that impressed. My old machine had a submersed heater with gave constant heat at what ever temperature that you wanted but this thing seems a bit naff, perhaps I'm using it wrong or just expecting too much, I just don`t know!! Any suggestions would be appreciated, Geoff
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Was shown one yesterday a mate got from Cleansmart ............he's incorporated it into an old wet n dry machine ( totally stripped out ) and is chuffed with the performance .
He previously used water from the tap and has been amazed at the excellent results..............quicker drying.............quicker cleaning.............almost eliminated prespraying.
Tells me he gets steady heat, unlike the Ashbys unit I had a while back which only produced short bursts of hot water
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Perhaps its the way I've used it, haven't used an inline heater for years!
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Hi
I use the Heat n' Run with either 25ft or 50ft of hose on my Prochem Powermax. Once I'm using the wand it takes a few minutes to get hot. After that I do a stroke or two wet (spray extract) and then go back with 2 to 3 strokes dry (extract), this way the heat is maintained and get continuos hot water on my wet strokes. For my domestic work its perfect and I've had consistently good results and customer feedback.
handwerka
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Also, I make sure that the solution tank is filled with hot water so that the Heat n' Run doesn't work from cold water.
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My Ninja which I think is an awful machine and I never use it has an in-line heater. It was explained to me by Ashbys that you cant run stone cold water through the in-line heater and expect hot water out the other end. The water has got to be at least luke warm. And they are darn right. I cleaned a rental property with no hot water and my in-line heater was useless. So whether this is the same with all in-line heaters I dont know.
Chris
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No I'm not too sure either ::) I was reading a on a site about an inline heater ( can't remember which one now ) about letting the heater warm up before you start, then clean by doing four wet passes then 4 dry passes, this allows the heater to keep up the temperature, in other words slow down and give the heater a chance to heat the cold water thats going in !! So I've just set my gear up and powered it all up ( no I'm not cleaning my lounge again !!! ). Connected my hand tool let the heater heat up ( 40 seconds or so ) then pressed the trigger 4 times to imitate the 4 wet passes, waited 20 seconds ( the dry passes ) then the wet passes and so on, I burnt my bloody hand :o!!! Now whether this will work on a job I don`t know! I think that if you're going from stone cold then it is a case of slowing down. I wouldn`t be bothered but I do a lot of rentals which obviously have the hot water off when I arrive ( Grrrr ).
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ive got one on a ninja , they work well with warm water from a tap upping the temp , but cold - you lucky to get warm ish at the tool end , ok for me as i dont touch rentals lol i leave that for you geoff ... you best getting a prowler or cheap TM if you want contant hot .
the ninja also has a inboard kettle type heater also which takes it up to 40 .c ( tho mine burtn out years ago) - it all helps
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Chris.
There must be somethihg wrong with your Ninja although I have now moved on to a TM.
I started out with the 400psi Ninja with built in Steam Mate.
The way we used it was as Ashby's told us to First let the water in the solution tank heat up or fill it with already hot water then switch over to the heat exchanger constant hot water never a problem.
PS We still use it sometimes when we can't get in with the TM and it still performs well Just Hate having to fetch water lol.
Cheers Tony
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Well I just burnt my hand from stone cold using the method I read about on the net earlier, i have a rental in the morning so I'll keep you posted!! I had an Alltec machine with a submersed heater, just like the ninja one but it would go to 90 Degrees C which was great on the manky rentals!!! As you can see on my other thread I'm also looking into better presprays to tackle the rentals mainly, just incase I have to cope with a lower heat!! I'm thinking that power burst is the way to go and also a brush for my taski ergodisc to aid agitation, Geoff
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Chris.
There must be somethihg wrong with your Ninja although I have now moved on to a TM.
I started out with the 400psi Ninja with built in Steam Mate.
The way we used it was as Ashby's told us to First let the water in the solution tank heat up or fill it with already hot water then switch over to the heat exchanger constant hot water never a problem.
PS We still use it sometimes when we can't get in with the TM and it still performs well Just Hate having to fetch water lol.
Cheers Tony
I was thinking that, with a 40 degree headstart an inline heater should be fine, with warm water in my tank my craftex inline heater does maintain constant heat, my trouble was with cold water.
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My Ninja heats it to 60c then is switched over to the built in Steamate.
Constant red hot water.
John
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My Ninja heats it to 60c then is switched over to the built in Steamate.
Constant red hot water.
John
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I was always led to believe stone cold water in. Hot water out. Which obviously isnt possible.
Chris
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I think the answer is have the heater as close to the wand as possible to prevent heat loss through the solution line and slow down, if the water passes through the chamber too quickly it has no chance to heat.
Tried this earlier but not on an actual clean, just with a hand tool over the solution tank, stinking hot. On a rental clean in the morning and I know that theres no hot water available so I will post my results here!!
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If your struggling with hot water issues a good pre spay with good agitation 15 to 20 dwell time is a key factor IMO
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Yep looking into that too on the other thread ;D Just need a brush for my taski ergodisc !
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I'm assuming in EOTs that we try and turn the boiler on to get round this problem.
I understand that on the Airflex the hot exhaust air is re-cycled round the water heating elements to improve the water temperature. have I understood this correctly?
Rog
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My inline heater makes a blinder of a difference on my Prochem machine. Even from cold tap water!
Love it! :)
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I'm assuming in EOTs that we try and turn the boiler on to get round this problem.
I understand that on the Airflex the hot exhaust air is re-cycled round the water heating elements to improve the water temperature. have I understood this correctly?
Rog
Think your confused with powr-filte's Perfect Heat machine Roger.
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The Ninja is a good machine, even with the 135psi pump you could achieve good results. Just needs a bit of common sense and savvy which are both essential in this business.
How do you think we coped 20 or more years ago when machines were generally single vacuum and as little as 70 psi available ?
We simply worked harder........although we probably presprayed in higher volumes.
Today you want instant results and top performance every time with minimal effort............if that's the case you should invest in high power and get someone else to do the work.
If the job's a hassle and you don't enjoy it .............do something else.
It's been posted on many occasions that inline heaters will only perform to their max' if given the opportunity by starting with warm or hot water in the tank and fitting them close to the wand rather than 50 or more feet away at the machine.
A friend is currently developing an inline heater that will be capable of supplying constant hot water, whether it gets to the market is another story.
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Well, finally mastered the in line heater with a cold water start ;D Get porty out , connect heater, boil kettle, pour into bucket, top up bucket with cold water so its warm and pour into tank, run pump with heater on and solution hose in tank so its recirculating and getting hotter. Vac , pre spray, top up tank then start cleaning. Heater and pipes are nice and hot and well on the go!! Got through a dirty rental property with ease!!
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i have got the inline heater from cleansmart and whilst i have not used it yet that is supposed to give instant hot water from cold anyone tried that particular one yet ?.
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We use a prochem inline heater, will heat cold water to a good temp.
if using hot from start, its a really good inline heater and will keep water constantly hot.
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Creighton - why dont you use the inline heater you got then you can tell all of us what its like.
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Be good to hear if it does give constant heat from cold water too mate?
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If your inline heater will not cope with cold water, put an open connector on the end of your solution hose and run the water through the heater back into the tank.
If you do this while you are prepping the job you will have warmish water in the tank and hotter water to the carpet.