Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Anderson on September 26, 2010, 09:02:20 am
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From time to time posts on here describe a recent incident where a window cleaner experiences negative vibes/comment from a customer/mother/friend that is found demeaning.
I imagine that on the whole most of us go through work life with little in the way of these 'incidents' but when posted on here we in the most part seem to enjoy the window cleaner coming out on top which is only normal I suppose.
Sure most of us have likely had the odd person give the snide remark/comment...but if most of us were honest what would you say if you were down the pub and having a chat about lawyers, football players, MP's, estate agents...the list goes on.
Are we in danger of creating a perpetual spiral of thinking we are what we think others think about us...
Cheers
Dave.
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I always find it a little embarrassing to admit my profession even now. Very few people take the pee but even a visit to the doctors or hospital always kills the conversation dead when they ask what line of work I'm in.
Some customers though are great and treat me as anyone else. It's friends/family and former work collegues who are the worst.
The great thing is of course - you never have to work for anyone you really don't like.
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I bumped into one of my old taxi mates a couple of weeks back. "hows the window cleaning going?" (slight smirk )
Bit later in the conversation he says "but you can't make a living just out of window cleaning"
mate you have got NO IDEA but carry on smirking. People can think what they like.
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There is definitely a stigma attached to window cleaning, I put it down to the fact that for many years most window cleaners drove around in old bangers and used cheap equipment which meant anyone could do it for beer money, they never looked like they had respect for themselves so why would anyone have respect for them.
Things are different now but it will take time for people’s attitudes to change.
Personally, I don’t care what people think as long as my daughter and my bank manager respect me. ;)
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we re all low life and should know our place!now sweep that chimney as well you snivelling peasant! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I was saying this the other day.
It seems now with new technology, vans, signwriting, commercial business, corporate image etc, hopefully those thoughts and views are fading out.
Some of the websites I have seen on this site look very professional, and portray a good image
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There is definitely a stigma attached to window cleaning, I put it down to the fact that for many years most window cleaners drove around in old bangers and used cheap equipment which meant anyone could do it for beer money, they never looked like they had respect for themselves so why would anyone have respect for them.
Things are different now but it will take time for people’s attitudes to change.
Personally, I don’t care what people think as long as my daughter and my bank manager respect me. ;)
Jack they still exist like that, loads of them. Old bangers, usually estates. dirty crumpled trackkies and hoodies, baseball hats (chav hats my kids call them), short hair that looks like their wives cut it, smoking.
If thats not an image problem what is?
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dont forget the football tops vince, and the ones who will only accept cash
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I'm a window cleaning contractor when anyone asks and I couldn't care what they think, when people pay my bills then I will worry about what they think of me.
I was made redundant back in 2006 after nearly 19 years working for Sony UK after they re-located to another part of the country so the whole site was made redundant, I was talking to an old work mate a few months ago and I was asking how everyone else was doing.
he actually told me that out of everyone I was actually doing the best and the website looked really professional and how they were all commenting on it.
don't be ashamed to be a window cleaner be PROUD
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I always find it a little embarrassing to admit my profession even now. Very few people take the pee but even a visit to the doctors or hospital always kills the conversation dead when they ask what line of work I'm in.
Precisely.
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Saw an old mate in a store recently, and he sort of smirked when i told him what work i do now.....
we walked out to the car park together, and i headed towards my gleaming sign written van ;D
he said "is that yours"? mouth open
Yep...i said...
smirk gone! ;)
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personally i like the image of the trackie bottoms,the cheap-as-chips trainers, baseball cap. (but not the smoking)
what other job can you wear the dead comfy stuff? i cant think of any other !
i have found that nobody hassles the window cleaner ,usually is treated well
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the old image of "the bloke who lives in your street, never worked but cleans windows " refuses to die.
the suprise when a customer finds out you take cheques, they need a sit down when you tell them you do online payments.
all we can do is promote our own image.
i dont think it is unique to our trade, mini cabs to black cabs comes to mind. the mercedes i got into the other night was far more plush than a black cab, but people tend to look in a different way to private hire and think black cabs are more professional.
i dont think anyone can change the minds of some but others like the way we project ourselves now
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what other job can you wear the dead comfy stuff? i cant think of any other !
Carpenter, roofer, landscaper, electrician, glazier, tree-surgeon, road-sweeper, dustman.............
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If you have a problem with image why not call yourself a window maintenance technician
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I always find it a little embarrassing to admit my profession even now. Very few people take the pee but even a visit to the doctors or hospital always kills the conversation dead when they ask what line of work I'm in.
I know. Brilliant isn't it? A great way of shutting them up ;D
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I dont mind what people think of me as i go round in my van, i know how much i earn a year and its all down to me, not some monkey telling me what to do.
And Rise and Shine great cartoon mate!! never seen one as good!!
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Honestly though, I really think things are moving forward. Saw a van in my street yesterday, wondered if it were a member on here.
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when my friends and family see what i started with to where iam now in 5years,they all say you must be doing well and must enjoy it as well,
also a lot say how they love to work out side without the stress.also when they see me sun tan they always say you lucky sod. :P :P
so to be honest i couldnt give a monkeys what people say or think about me behind me back.
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ditto Franky lad,
I have a customer who's work takes her all over the world but when she is here she always comments on me singing and whistling when I'm cleaning her windows, she asked me last year do you enjoy your work that much Steve ? I said after 19 years of shift work girl making money for other people then this is me in my apple cart, and when I get customers like you girl who always make me a cuppa then its fantastico ;D ;D ;D
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I always find it a little embarrassing to admit my profession even now. Very few people take the pee but even a visit to the doctors or hospital always kills the conversation dead when they ask what line of work I'm in.
Some customers though are great and treat me as anyone else. It's friends/family and former work collegues who are the worst.
The great thing is of course - you never have to work for anyone you really don't like.
Would you like to go back into to print? No chance for me i couldn't give a monkeys what people think.
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
When low image is thought about it is not always about the money as some folks on here seem to think it is how one is reckoned by their peers.
Nurses, teachers and folks in the forces all probably earn much less than us but are probably looked on with more esteem than a window cleaner and rightly so IMO.
Does cleaning a bit of dirt off glass make us the more valuable?
I think not.
At the end of the day it is a pretty non essential job that requires no study or exams for hence possibly the lowly status, brand new van or not. ;)
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who cares what people think of us, we prob make more than them
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
Can you explain exactly what you mean by a "fairly lowly member of society" please.
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
Can you explain exactly what you mean by a "fairly lowly member of society" please.
He's probably not bright enough to understand enough English to use the word 'Humble'
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OK, some would view window cleaning as menial. However, how many other jobs perceived as being higher status actually are anything other than menial themselves?
Up until quite recently my job consisted of the following:- chase other people for pointless information, input pointless information on computer system, chase people for pointless information and then update my diary to say I had chased said pointless information. This was an office/managerial occupation which I'm sure would have been viewed as high status and yet it was a total waste of time and added no value whatsoever to anything or anybody.
At least we get windows cleaned and IMO any job well whether it be cleaner/window cleaner is no lower in status than any poncey office job.
Anyone who thinks otherwise can bugger off :D
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At my Rotary Club last week we were hosting the 1st round of the annual district quiz and we had another club over as the opposition ... at the start of the quiz the teams have to introduce themselves and say what they do for a living .. came to my turn and as I said "window cleaner" their was a laugh from the auduience ... guessed it was someone from the other club as all my club members know what I do for a living so looking in the direction of the laugh I said "oh ok if you prefer Im a company director of my own building maitenance company, either way I love my job and oh the pays fantastic too !! no laugh after that ;D
still lost the quiz though :(
and as i used to sell used cars for a living in most peoples eyes ive stepped up a level or two but dont bother me what people think :)
DEFINITION OF STATUS = When you buy something you dont need with money you havent got to impress people you dont like.
dont give a toss about status just so long as im happy
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
Can you explain exactly what you mean by a "fairly lowly member of society" please.
He's probably not bright enough to understand enough English to use the word 'Humble'
Your words not mine Stuart ;)
I just wondered why he felt this way.
I am made of flesh, bones and blood and have a cleaning business.
my next door neighbour is a nurse in A & E and is made of flesh, bones and blood. Apart from our chosen professions, not much difference really.
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Monty Pythons "I look down on him..." comes to mind. Everybody wants to have someone to look down to.
The point is not what value others, strangers, put on your life. It's the value that those closest to you have of you.
A soldier is defined by his 'job' it's a way of life, I'm not defined by mine. My friends know me and respect me for far more things than the work I do to 'pay my way'.
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
Can you explain exactly what you mean by a "fairly lowly member of society" please.
Did you not read my post fully?
I was trying to establish why window cleaners may have a low image in answer to the OP ( Re: Low image of window cleaners or myth?)
"Society" means the whole strata of people.
I tried to explain that although some people bang on about money how much you earn is not indicative to your standing or how you are perceived in aforesaid "society".
As I said previously most people would place lower money earners like nurses, teachers, lads and lasses in the military higher in their estimation of value to "society" than window cleaners.
If you were in hospital who would be uppermost in your estimation, the nurses or the window cleaner?
If you were at school, college or university who would be uppermost in your estimation, the tutors or the window cleaner?
Just because we are all in this business shouldn't make us blind to what goes on outside and how "ordinary" people perceive us.
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Personally, I think having the gumption to set up your own business automatically sets you above someone who works for someone else because it shows you've got the bottle to go it alone. I have said this to many people who sneer and it always shuts them up. In my experience it's the office workers who look down on us and most of them haven't exactly got that much to be proud about! :D
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I just wondered why he felt this way.
I am made of flesh, bones and blood and have a cleaning business.
my next door neighbour is a nurse in A & E and is made of flesh, bones and blood. Apart from our chosen professions, not much difference really.
No it's exactly the same. ;)
The last time I looked all humans were made of blood, flesh and bones (with a fair few other bits) and in that respect all are equal.
However if you had an accident with your blood flesh and bones who would be of more use to you and society in general?
A nurse or window cleaner?
If you honestly think that your neighbour an A&E nurse is on the same level of usefulness as a window cleaner you have missed my point altogether.
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Personally, I think having the gumption to set up your own business automatically sets you above someone who works for someone else because it shows you've got the bottle to go it alone. I have said this to many people who sneer and it always shuts them up. In my experience it's the office workers who look down on us and most of them haven't exactly got that much to be proud about! :D
I couldn't agree more.
Office workers in general haven't as much status as anybody self employed.
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Monty Pythons "I look down on him..." comes to mind. Everybody wants to have someone to look down to.
It was from The Frost Report not Python.
C`mon you`re giving window cleaners a bad name ;). No wonder Ian101 lost the quiz ;D.
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Monty Pythons "I look down on him..." comes to mind. Everybody wants to have someone to look down to.
It was from The Frost Report not Python.
C`mon you`re giving window cleaners a bad name ;). No wonder Ian101 lost the quiz ;D.
Indeed it was and the protagonists were John Cleese, Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett in case it ever comes up in a quiz. ;)
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Monty Pythons "I look down on him..." comes to mind. Everybody wants to have someone to look down to.
It was from The Frost Report not Python.
C`mon you`re giving window cleaners a bad name ;). No wonder Ian101 lost the quiz ;D.
Indeed it was and the protagonists were John Cleese, Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett in case it ever comes up in a quiz. ;)
I'm obviously not bright enough to retain quiz answers!!
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I just wondered why he felt this way.
I am made of flesh, bones and blood and have a cleaning business.
my next door neighbour is a nurse in A & E and is made of flesh, bones and blood. Apart from our chosen professions, not much difference really.
No it's exactly the same. ;)
The last time I looked all humans were made of blood, flesh and bones (with a fair few other bits) and in that respect all are equal.
However if you had an accident with your blood flesh and bones who would be of more use to you and society in general?
A nurse or window cleaner?
If you honestly think that your neighbour an A&E nurse is on the same level of usefulness as a window cleaner you have missed my point altogether.
There is a big difference between value of the job and value of the individual. In my eyes they are not the same.
I simply dont care how others view me.
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I do cringe a bit when an old friend asks what I do,if I'm honest.A small price to pay though for being your own boss.Starting and finishing when you want,nobody looking over your shoulder,low stress and potential to make decent money if you're willing to put in the effort.If the only bad thing is a snobby pratt looking down on you once in a while it can't be too bad.Been doing this for 18 months or so and my only regret is I didn't start much sooner.
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i think its still around a little within the domestic sector of customers ... but with commercial customers it seems to have nearly gone in my eyes.
we still get alot of domestic customers who think we are thick and dont run a business just beer money and bookies money earnings.
if you meet an irish man that cut trees or did drives does that automatically make him a pikie?
customers always right? i think not!
are trade and such alike are gaining more and more very clever and business savy guys due to the stress of high powered desk jobs... they see out door work as more flexible and less stressfull.
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We are probably looked down on but I do not gice a monkies what others think. Some mates of mine used to take the pee until I hinted on how much I earn. They soon shut up about it and now praise me for having the balls to start up on my own.
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
When low image is thought about it is not always about the money as some folks on here seem to think it is how one is reckoned by their peers.
Nurses, teachers and folks in the forces all probably earn much less than us but are probably looked on with more esteem than a window cleaner and rightly so IMO.
Does cleaning a bit of dirt off glass make us the more valuable?
I think not.
At the end of the day it is a pretty non essential job that requires no study or exams for hence possibly the lowly status, brand new van or not. ;)
you can f*** off pal................
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
When low image is thought about it is not always about the money as some folks on here seem to think it is how one is reckoned by their peers.
Nurses, teachers and folks in the forces all probably earn much less than us but are probably looked on with more esteem than a window cleaner and rightly so IMO.
Does cleaning a bit of dirt off glass make us the more valuable?
I think not.
At the end of the day it is a pretty non essential job that requires no study or exams for hence possibly the lowly status, brand new van or not. ;)
you can f*** off pal................
That will go a long way to enhance the image of a window cleaner :)
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not really,
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What about you Kate?
Tele canvasseing, how does that go down when the vicar pops in for a biscuit?
I had to put an ad in a shop because a worker quit.That sparked a hundred questions "what? your getting busy then? Do you do some round here, there's already a window cleaner round here? Do you do many round here?"
The questions were very pointed as if i'd commited some kind of crime. I answered as politely as i could and gave him his fifty pence.
The worst people can be those who either considered it, or rejected it is as impossible themselves.
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slumpbuster
Its not that simple matey
You buy data, its TPS TCPS checked.
Then
You you methodically work through the list. its not hard stuff mate
You have to work through a system any telemarketing on a four hour shift would be doing 125 calls for you a day
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ooh err :o hit a nerve?
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What nerve?
Buying data is straightforward, not sure how it would hit a nerve??????????/
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Slump
dont underestimate youself
None of you stop underestimating you service
Please, is industry going to kick ass or what?
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The image of w/c'ers has been very poor in the past, the only real example i can recall on the TV is
Stan Ogden - and so many people believe everything on Tv that image has stuck and is very difficault
to remove.
There is def. a new wave of windy's - using WFP and being professional ( regular reliable cleans ) logo workwear
and vans and above all striving to give the custy a quality service.
I have met loads of people (mainly older generation) that think you are in it for a bit of beer money but in general most people appriciate the effort and respect that you offer a service, dod a good job and turn up when you
say you will.
Over time the cleaning industry will get a better image but it takes time.
Above all you need respect for yourself, that in turn brings respect, it's not just an earnings thing.
before w/c i made parts for F1 cars and got paid pretty well, but i what i did not have was time with my
family !
Now i run my business, it's growing well, chat with the custy's but above all have a happy working day that allows me
to take the kids to school or pick up, take them to events/clubs during the week and special days out at the w/end
- something i could not do working for other people.
In the beginning i thought there was a stigma to w/c'ing - but after a few months confidence grew ( as did my custy's and successful jobs ) to the point i am proud to tell people what i do.
Regards
Darran
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We unfortunately live in a class driven society in the UK. There are many eloquent, intelligent people cleaning windows up and down the country. There are also a lot of dodgy characters too seeing as it is a traditional cash in hand job. I just tell people Im a lion tamer...
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;D three pages on this subject, it makes me chuckle, why worry what anyone else thinks of you, just go about your business as best you can and make as much as you can, when you can simples really
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You should worry what people think about you.. you look like oor Wullie ;D
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You should worry what people think about you.. you look like oor Wullie ;D
when ever I moaned about being a window cleaner paw hit me round the ear ;D he even threatened to let the Broons adopt me :o
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Well at least the but n ben would have clean windows then!
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Well at least the but n ben would have clean windows then!
aye the broons were always manky beggars ;) the state of that but n ben was terrible,
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Kate
i'm okay with it.Like Dave says it does stop conversations and there are situations where you'd rather not mention it, like when you meet people on holiday.
But there is quite a lot to explain and people tend to ask without being that interested, so you launch into your speil and thier eyes glaze over.
I read about a telemarketer who made a packet form energy comparsion, and a removal bloke who said it was routine in his industry for the lads to nick everything they could lay their hands on and his usp had been employing young australians who didn't nick stuff.
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Nope
your only as good as you portray yourself, dont let the buggers beat you
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I think the real issue is about how much self esteem someone has - and I don't mean the bogus self esteem to do with money or business size. If the self esteem is intact, the rest of it isn't such a big deal IMO.
When you can look any man or woman in the eye and automatically know that underneath the facade, you are both OK.
It really cuts out so much bs.
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Well at least the but n ben would have clean windows then!
aye the broons were always manky beggars ;) the state of that but n ben was terrible,
What a wid gie tae see that Daphne in the skud :o
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Well at least the but n ben would have clean windows then!
aye the broons were always manky beggars ;) the state of that but n ben was terrible,
What a wid gie tae see that Daphne in the skud :o
she wis the fat yin, maggie was the tidy yin :D
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It's funny how some are embarrassed saying they're a wc, I'm embarrassed because people think I'm rolling in it when I say it.
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Dave, long time, no type, hope you are well and everything is good in the land of clogs. ;)
When I first started in this WC game, I must have had a huge chip on my shoulder. I'd just been made redundant or sacked (Can't remember now) from a high paid driving job between Germany and Tunisia. Really interesting and fun filled job.
Suddenly I was a window polisher. All my custies were in more interesting high paid jobs and I was polishing glass. Had loads of issues with it and I used to kick custies into touch just for looking at me in the wrong way.
After 20 years, give or take, I just see this malarky as a way of earning as much as possible in the shortest possible time and minimum effort. If my custies all thought I was a complete Geordie, I couldn't give a blinded toss.
I love it when the people living close by wonder where the hell I earn enough money in such a short amount of days in a month. Image, under peers, to someone new to this game, must be important. I can understand that view, it's just not mine. I don't mean business image, that IS important, but who really cares what your street thinks of you?
As I see it at the moment, my custies seem to think we are proffs, and don't treat us with contempt.
I've probably got more yesterdays than tomorrows, I'm 52. So stuff what others think of my business. Just so long as they pay.
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I like people thinking they are too good for window cleaning....more money for me and less competition! Let them think we are all dummies, i dont mind ;)
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TBH I think anybody who cleans windows for a living is a useful if fairly lowly member of society and I'm one myself.
When low image is thought about it is not always about the money as some folks on here seem to think it is how one is reckoned by their peers.
Nurses, teachers and folks in the forces all probably earn much less than us but are probably looked on with more esteem than a window cleaner and rightly so IMO.
Does cleaning a bit of dirt off glass make us the more valuable?
I think not.
At the end of the day it is a pretty non essential job that requires no study or exams for hence possibly the lowly status, brand new van or not. ;)
you can f*** off pal................
You have gone a long way to reinforcing the stereotype of the window cleaner unfortunately. :(
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There has been some very interesting input into the debate IMO.
Some very constructive and understanding of how the "low image" originated and who are trying their utmost to present a very professional and modern front.
Others very defensive who considered the OP's post something of a slur.
As I say I am a window cleaner myself, just me and my youngest son and it is usually a great job apart from the usual niggles we all get.
Looks like rain today. ::)
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Rain? Bookies and pub for me then. Oh yes ;).
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Stop it stop it stop it
Be proud of whatever you do. If you get paid for a job you are a professional.
How dare you be embarrassed about your title, that brings people to think I too am embarrassed, how can you not be proud?
You get up every day and "make" your own money, not like some cheif executive who was given a job and who can be sacked or the prime minister who will sometime lose his job or the doctor who owes his career to us the NHS bill payer.....
Listen if it is your own job your own firm your own business hold your head up high and be proud goodness me have you all forgotten how hard it was to begin?
No cushy job for life "i have rights" you can't sack me position for us no we have to find earn and keep OUR clients on our own.
Embarrassed? cos you have the b.a.l.l.s. to go it alone, to take the responsibility to feed cloth and put a roof over your partner, your kids? PROUD PROUD be very proud
Wait where is that old ladder i had.....i am going up to the roof (with a harness of course) to shout out I AM A WINDOW CLEANER AND I AM PROUD OF IT, oh and usually have the fanciest car in the car park helps too
Gordon
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Stop it stop it stop it
Be proud of whatever you do. If you get paid for a job you are a professional.
How dare you be embarrassed about your title, that brings people to think I too am embarrassed, how can you not be proud?
You get up every day and "make" your own money, not like some cheif executive who was given a job and who can be sacked or the prime minister who will sometime lose his job or the doctor who owes his career to us the NHS bill payer.....
Listen if it is your own job your own firm your own business hold your head up high and be proud goodness me have you all forgotten how hard it was to begin?
No cushy job for life "i have rights" you can't sack me position for us no we have to find earn and keep OUR clients on our own.
Embarrassed? cos you have the b.a.l.l.s. to go it alone, to take the responsibility to feed cloth and put a roof over your partner, your kids? PROUD PROUD be very proud
Wait where is that old ladder i had.....i am going up to the roof (with a harness of course) to shout out I AM A WINDOW CLEANER AND I AM PROUD OF IT, oh and usually have the fanciest car in the car park helps too
Gordon
well said Flashy lad, no one forced me to be a window cleaning contractor, it was all my owm choice after working 19 years of shift work making someone else rich.
all my customers know my name and 90% are more than glad to see me, Ive even managed to make the grumpy ones ( and we all have a few of them ) smile every once in a while which is an achievement in its own right ;D ;D
I provide the best possible service to my customers and I'm so proud of where I am in life, I get a pay rise every month and wwather permitting I will get a Xmas bonus better than any other job Ive done and I'm a window cleaner and proud of it
the only downside to it all is that I come on forums and chat with like minded people ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Gordons - you had me going there! I was just about to say "that's the spirit!" when you showed off your insecurities by mentioning "having the flashiest car".
I'm disappointed mate ... I thought your personal pride was intrinsic and that you were above all that.
;D
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Huh you can talk, as if you don't wear your ego on your sleeve, but yes bragging and being superior about your earnings is the very prejudice that you are objecting too.
The bloke who owned sedgeway died today (the things people ride instead of walking) he drove off a cliff on one.But twenty years ago he was a miner, and was made redundant at the time of the big strike.That's about when i started too.
He had the idea of bastions, that's the metal frames with rocks in you see bolstering the side of some motorways.He made hundreds of millions from the idea because they have been much needed in wars.
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Oh no i have blown it now, I have disappointed Gold
I'll get my coat
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Read the earlier post earlier in the thread by mclean- or google- the touch of the masters hand
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Oh no i have blown it now, I have disappointed Gold
I'll get my coat
I can understand your concern gordons but I'll let it pass just this once.
;D
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I just laugh to myself inside and pity the people who are small minded enough to look down on us.
It seems to me any customer with common sense and an opinion worth caring about is normally the type of customer that has already worked out that you run a busy business with a good income and been clever enough to escape the rate race without going broke and treat you with the respect they treat everyone else.
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Think of it this way: as long as people are looking down on window cleaners, there isnt going to be hoards of people wanting to do it (and thereby driving down prices), is there?!
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Thank you Gold o wise one
i blame wfp lol if we still used ladders nobody could look "down" on us ;D ;D ;D
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We clean a night club in Plymouth, right next door to an office block full of call centre workers and boy some of those women are SOOOOOOOOO stuck up it's unreal. They look at us, carrying in our hoovers and blowing the fAg ends and empty fAg packets with our blower, like we're s**t on their shoes; very funny ;D
I just look at them and wonder to myself how much they earn compared to me.
If only they knew ;)