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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Adam P on September 24, 2010, 12:13:48 am
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may seem like a silly question but what we use at the moment just isn't doing as much as we'd like unfortunately. would be great if it could be eco and even better if it could be from nenviro as about to place an order with them.
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Hi Surrey,
We clean and restore lots of flooring and safety floors.
We use a product named Ubik 2000 its great for removing dirt, grease deep down but you will need a buffing machine with a pad depending on the state of it use either fine or course.
If it in a state we spray the Ubik all over the floor, leave to dwell and buff away then mop.
Dave
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would you suggest this product for daily cleaning as well? we've recently cleaned the floor with a machine but the dirt is coming back which is why i now think what we've been using isn't quite as good as i'd have hoped. I expect safety floor to hold the dirt well which is why it'll need regular cleaning with a machine but i'm hoping for better results and i'm sure a better chemical will do that.
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Hi Surrey, Im not sure if youre using eco products, there are a few products we have used which will do a good job, all Selden, Tripple, neutral scrubber dryer detergent, strong arm. you should be carefull of the pads you are using over a prelonged period of time as some can degrade the anti slip properties of the flooring. brushing is always preffered.
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another product I always used, I think its a panecea "H005 Act Stainless Steel Safe Toilet Cleaner" sulphamic acid base nice fragrance. I always had a couple of bottles to hand on any job and have use this on everything, safety floors, toilets, taps, baths you just have to be carefull that you agitate the product before leaving it on some surfaces like laminates or pourus surfaces as it can sometimes stain. Fab product check it out on my website.
let me know what you think.
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Hi Surrey,
We have around 20 school contracts and the safety flooring is always a problem! I've done so much research and tests on different chems i am now brain dead with it all!!! but the best i've found so far as got to be: STS from Solutions in Cornwall
Regards
Billy
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would you suggest this product for daily cleaning as well? we've recently cleaned the floor with a machine but the dirt is coming back which is why i now think what we've been using isn't quite as good as i'd have hoped. I expect safety floor to hold the dirt well which is why it'll need regular cleaning with a machine but i'm hoping for better results and i'm sure a better chemical will do that.
You can use it for daily cleaning, but a word of caution is that you must be careful as when left wet is is extremely slippery.
What type of environment is the floor in? If office it should not get that dirty?
However the non slips we clean are in Quarrys / Builders Centres / Garages / Halls and they hold the dirt because of the type of surface.
You will find it will bring the floors up well especially on the more rubbery type floors.
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Hi Surrey,
Safety flooring is specified when it is considered that the area could constitute a hazard, all the manufactures/installers will tell the end user that this floor is hard wearing and easy maintenance!
This is a load of tosh!
Depending on the area/traffic and client expectations, this type of flooring can be a right pain in the a**e!!
Cheapest maintenance option is sweep and mop, this is suitable for low traffic use only.
Medium maintenance option is vacuum daily, mop daily, scrub using blue hard brush, suck up slurry using wet and dry(industrial wet and dry, not a vax!) on a weekly basis.
If the client whats the floor kept in the best possible state, vacuum, scrub using blue hard brush, suck up slurry using industrial wet and dry vacuum daily, again this depends on area and traffic.
Your requirement of using green chems, can be met by the seldon range, one of the most green chem chemical companies in the EU if not the world.
If the area size warrants it, perhaps a scrubber dryer would be of use, clients will always say that they want the area, looking pristine, until they realise the true cost of the maintenance. Just mopping, is only shifting the dirt around, it is not removing it!
Regards,
Rob
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first just to say thanks to all for the replies. will have a look tonight when i get back from my next clean.
Fab product check it out on my website.
i thought you weren't allowed to self promote on these forums? also i can't view the products as the site says i'm not in your area :P
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Im assuming you can, there is a new section for selling new equipment. You can view products by puting this post code in BB1 2EQ.
Did you want a copy of that Proposal pack? cant remember.
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We use blue polyprop brush attachments on our rotaries and a neutral PH cleaner. We then use a wet-vac to recover all the muck.
If the flooring is Altro, they do their own cleaner which works well. They'll usually give out 1 litre FOC as a trial so give them a call and try it.
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Im assuming you can, there is a new section for selling new equipment. You can view products by puting this post code in BB1 2EQ.
Did you want a copy of that Proposal pack? cant remember.
new section for selling new equipment doesn't mean you can now self promote
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is that your logo your using, or are you shamelessly self promoting Surrey (perhaps you are promoting another company because you are the altruistic type)
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Im assuming you can, there is a new section for selling new equipment. You can view products by puting this post code in BB1 2EQ.
Did you want a copy of that Proposal pack? cant remember.
new section for selling new equipment doesn't mean you can now self promote
if you realy think I am self promoting on this forum (which most people do to some degree) and you are some how upset by this, perhaps you should report it to the moderators. as far as I can see by the amount of replies I have had, most people would benefit from the free documents I am offering and would not be too bothered about me promoting my self or them promoting me in return. Or would you prefer that new companied continue to struggle or pay through the nose for these documents.
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is that your logo your using, or are you shamelessly self promoting Surrey (perhaps you are promoting another company because you are the altruistic type)
great attitude for potential customers to see on this board. you're trying to get a sale from the members of this forums, almost all if not all of the posts i've seen from you on this forum are self promoting and nother offering any advice unless you get something in return. this is self promoting which i asked if it was against the rules, yet you attacked me?
i'm not selling my services as everyone on here is a cleaner! this is obvious though surely?
how can i be SELF promoting Surrey? you know i am not the county Surrey?
and to think i had planned to buy some of your products.
edit: your last posts makes even less sense. realise what you're saying. i've questioned if it's ok to self promote and pointed out to you that i don't think these forums allow it. you've then gone extremely defensive and coming out with some ridiculous statements which is shocking to hear from someone i expected a bit more decency from. I could have gone straight to a mod yes, but i chose to be nice and point it out, but now i'm the bad guy?
second edit: i could really go into explaining how silly and childish your last post sounds but i wont as tbh i'm fairly certain i am right, so i feel we'll probably no be hearing from you very soon as as soon as you're told to not self promote you'll go in a strop (based on how you've reacted in this thread) and stop using these forums as i tbh i get the feeling you aren't here just to help others and share your experience without there being an obvious gain for you.
would love to be wrong though but only time will tell
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I am not selling anything, I am making an offer which is mutualy beneficial. I was in the contract industry for years and it took years to get to a position where I had all the relevent information to make a proffesional impresion.
Im sorry if you feel I am attacking, Im not. But I do feel it is important to share information espesialy with new and developing companies.
self promotion should be the marketing goal of any business, but I also believe if you are to adopt this type of strategy then it should be bennefit based. is there anything wrong with that? anyone who has given any kind of feedback has recieved these documents, not one person has made a purchase yet. look at the stream I have emailed it to them.
If anyone sees this who has the docs can you please confirm to "Surrey"
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well we can just agree to disagree. I cant see why I would be told to stop doing whatever it is you think im doing, but if I am then I will still offer advice (although there are plenty on here who have better & qualified advice) and I will still offer anything I have, but I dont believe there is anything wrong in asking for help in return.
Lets be friends ;D
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well we can just agree to disagree. I cant see why I would be told to stop doing whatever it is you think im doing, but if I am then I will still offer advice (although there are plenty on here who have better & qualified advice) and I will still offer anything I have, but I dont believe there is anything wrong in asking for help in return.
Lets be friends ;D
often it's not asking but instead you're selling it or "swapping" it. a mod has already pointed out to you that an OCCASIONAL OCCURRENCE MAY BE OK if it's helpful, but that's it. don't go debating with me why these forums have rules that i've tried to make you aware of. as i say i didn't expect such a childish backlash from someone on these forums who is trying to make potential customers aware of his new services.
just in case you can't find it..
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=107046.0
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well as much as I love a good debate, i am not in a position to interprate the rules of the forum any such discourse can be left to a time when I can read them. I can say however, that at no tome has the moderator contacted me regarding this matter. So if you interprate my reaction as childish then I would invite you to refresh your self the previous streams., which you appeared to be annoyed at me giving something free and you apeared not to want to give anything in return even though I was only asking for feedback at that point.
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robert: can you explain what brush you mean when you say "scrub using blue hard brush". also when you said seldon i assume you meant selden? i've tried having a looking but can't find what product of theirs we should have a look at?
i'm actually looking at getting a wet n dry at the moment just not sure which to get. i've seen the smaller numatic Wet & Dry Vacuums recommended a few times. is this the safe choice to go with? also is there any real difference in the WV370 and the WV380? if not numatic any other suggestions?
dave: it's for a school and the size of the floors is fairly minimal but spread across 8 rooms. being a school i'm a bit concerned about the product being slippery as some kids annoyingly can be there sometimes even at 8pm, is it really bad or would the nomal wet floor sign be enough for h&s? trying to find out but can't find anywhere if the clover products are eco or not?
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Hi Surrey,
No its not that bad. You can use it. Just make sure you rinse it well and all will be fine.
The brush that I think he is refuring to a standard medium floor brush (The blue is colour coded) for everywhere else. Depends if you use that system, Red for toilets, yellow for kitchen, blue everywhere else.
I could be wrong.
As for the product being eco friendly mmmm! Not too sure on that. Best of luck with your marketing on eco products for the environment. We just market the fact we will get it 100% clean, seems to work for us.
If you wash it and pick up with a wet vac, do a test on the area and see if it makes your floor slippery as there are many types of floor surfaces. It only costs about £8.00 so if you decide you cant use it, it has not broke the bank.
If you read the environmental page on clover chemicals that might help you decide.
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100% clean is easier to market then eco so a better choice (and one we also do as we don't just do green cleaning) but i found marketing as eco really had some major benefits for us, one being the customer thinks it's safer for the kids and also that they're "doing their bit for the environment" etc. It's just a pain sometimes when we need a different product that we'll be regularly using so need to find something else that is green, always works out but just takes a little longer to find sometimes .
just to confirm you mean a brush like this...
http://www.cleanstore.co.uk/products/Product.asp?ID=1415&?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=comparsionshopping
and not like this...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rotary-Floor-Scrubber--Brush-17%22-Blue-Soft-to-Medium_W0QQitemZ130425609461QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=145129922131&rvr_id=145129922131&cguid=222774be1250a0e20197a647fd49a082
if so with the size of the floors i don't think this is a viable option as it'd kill our backs.
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I doubt that brush will be any good. You'll need the blue poly that attached to a rotory, as mentoned in my earlier post. These can be bought for most, if not all rotary's and are approx £70.
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Hi Surrey,
I can see how my post was a bit misleading many appologies, Ian is correct, you need a rotary floor brush. Blue. They tend to be stiffer alternatively you can use buff pads like the blue scourer types for the buffers. The get the wet vac to clean suck it up.
Dave
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thanks for clearing that up. thing is there is no way they'd want to pay for this work to be carried out weekly or even fornightly yet they expect it to be cleaner then it is, and tbh the size doesn't warrant having a machine like that at the school as the floors are fairly small. perhaps the change of chemicals will be enough.
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Hi Surrey,
Blue polyprop brush is what you want, standard speed rotary.
Yes Selden, sorry about the misspa, was late!
Everyone can see that your marketing is based on the "Green Credentials" of the products that you use, however, just access the latest "Which?" reports, you might have a very un-pleasent surprise!
Just for the record, rotary brushes are coloured because of different materials, nothing to do with preventing cross contamination.
Regarding the choice of vacuum any recognised make will do, just ensure that it has 2 motors!
Regards,
Rob
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Surrey,
I know its in a school but why is the floor dirty?
1. Was it already dirty when you started
2. Is it because its where they do art, spill paints etc
3. What is the soiling, i.e. general dirt, play doh
4. Exact type of safety floor? there many types with indented patterns, different material and some are harder to clean that others.
Any chance of a picture either on here or email me at dave@kentcleaning.com
You will have to meet the standards otherwise you face losing the contract. Is there any chance to have a measurement of the floors. I don't need to know the details of the school like location.
If I could see exactly what you are facing I might be able to help better
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i'll take a picture monday and send you one. If i remember correctly someone on this forum said it was Altro and all the pictures online of Altro suggest the same.
yes it was dirty when we started, so bad that when we were cleaning it the dirt was getting slowly better in patches which they quickly noticed and wrongly thought it was getting dirtier in the other areas.
They're by a back door in 2 classrooms, and then science rooms and toilets. the school gets very muddy and grassy so it just seems to pick up a lot of the dirt and hold onto it.
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I had simmilar issues with school flooring, and it was a nightmare trying to get rid of some of the stains. There are a number of floor types which resemble Altro flooring. real Altro flooring is virtualy bomb proof, there is little chance of paints (common is schools)or dirt permeating the fibres of the floor, so it may be a cheaper type of flooring. I have spoken to Altro about this on several occasions and they recomended bleaching pads then regular maintainance with Flash Lemon Multi Purpose Cleaner or Selden Selclen.
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just to say thanks to everyone for the help. i went with dave's suggestion and tried ubik 2000 and it's worked very well. i used a spray bottle to dilute and put it on the floor and then i give it a minute to break down the dirt. then i've used a hard brush to help break down any harder stuff and then mop it all up. works really well and isn't taking too much time either.
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Hi Surrey,
Wow something I suggested actually worked!? :D
I'm going to mark that down as a first... and give myself a star.
Cheers
Dave