Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: garyfindlay on September 22, 2010, 04:56:31 pm
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Cleaned a 3+1+1 sofas today from getting out the van to driving away in 45 minutes. Is anyone else faster, with a porty. 6 suites a day and i`ll be well chuffed. ;D
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But is it clean?
Clean six in a day and your back will be shot in a week.
Mark
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Shall I go clean it properly? ;D
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It would take my 2 to 3 hours with a porty to do the job properly.I dont understand how anyone could do it in 45 mins even with a truck mount.Please tell me how you did it,im intrigued!!!
Chris
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Takes me 15 - 20 minutes to vacuum it so thats me out the race ::)
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Takes 20 minutes to set porty up.
John
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Maybe it was not really dirty and he vacced it and toweled it with an ecochem. No mention of setting up a portable.
Why go through the motions if something is almost clean, you do enough to get it clean, or is it to justify your full price clean?
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It would take my 2 to 3 hours with a porty to do the job properly.I dont understand how anyone could do it in 45 mins even with a truck mount.Please tell me how you did it,im intrigued!!!
Chris
What he said !
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no vac
no prespray
no agitation
no dwell
no flush
no drying
just clean from the tank and run like f&*k with the money, i'd say quite slow if doing it that way.
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I think the answer is Vac then apply high foam shampoo via sponge then ask client to vac a while later but i might be wrong.Regards Alan(swindon)
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I dont think a truckmount is any faster at cleaning suites than a porty (apart from the setting up time i.e. fetching water!)
Setting up a porty takes me less than 10 minutes if the customer has a fast running tap, a little bit longer if its slower. But i can be fixing hosing, placing dust sheets down etc while the bucket fills up if they have a slow tap.
takes me around 1.5 to 2 hours to clean a suite properly.
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And also wet clean carpets are dry to the touch when he leaves. What a load of complete bow lucks I must say!!!!!!!!!!!
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It seems a number of you are not reading the initial post,
clearly states a porty was used , now wether that was utilised just to hold water whilst he sponged it I dont know ::) ::)
Tony
"takes me around 1.5 to 2 hours to clean a suite properly."
Really , I am suprised 1 and a half to 2 hrs wish I could clean a suite in 1 and a half hours PROPERLY
perhaps on occasions 2 hrs but very rarly
Geoff
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takes me around 1.5 to 2 hours to clean a suite properly.
Same here !
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Geoff,
Quick vac of suite, pre-spray, brush in pre-spray, towel, HW extract, towel again to dry and re-set the pile, set aside the cusion (if its a cusion that you just cleaned, and REPEAT.
:-\ did i miss anything? ???
If that took someone longer that two hours I wouldn't employ them. Each to their own and all that.
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10 cushion cotton print suite = 3 hours
10 cushion Draylon suite= 2.5 hours
I dont see many of these 2 nowadays
3+1+1 all fixed cushions 1.5 hours max
5 cushions on a wooden frame 45 mins .
In other words ,it depends on the suite. It is a bit like saying how long does it take to clean a carpet , er , it depends on size, access and level of soiling .
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Takes me around 3 hours to clean a suite they are very hard work this includes setting up and putting away, not sure it is a thing to be proud of to be honest if i was up against the clock i may do it in 90 minutes but how thorough would it be.
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Maybe I was economical with the full picture. I was cleaning for a local second hand shop, who is on the main street. He just wants the suite freshened up to sell, usually just 1, maybe 2 chairs are dirty, so only seating areas, arms, etc not sides or backs cleaned, like a fixed cushion suite, and I charge him an hours time. He knows the traffic warden, and I can park on the door of the shop for an hour, with van, and me in full view of the public. Will I get more work from it? time will tell, but had 2 enquiries today. I am 5 yards from the door of the van to inside the shop, where the porty is parked. Water added and during priming, as Derek mentioned, no vac, just prespray, and minitex aggitiation to all areas at the same time. Then plain water rinse. He has heaters in the shop. Job done. I`ll need to go feed the horse, and put a new knot in my lasoo, and don`t mention Spurs, (after last night :'().
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Are we talking average time spent or a one off 45 min? surely a very heavily soiled suite will take far longer to clean as you clean it inspect it and touch up.
I know of a cleaner who can clean a suite in half an hour and he uses one of the Dry fusion foam machines.
Shaun
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Sorry, I did miss the protable bit. In that case it must have been REALLY clean. ;D
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Pointless point imo, no one gains? Porty, TM or Lm, who cares because? >:( Fast as dash?
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I don't understand the point your making?
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The average 3 seater suite consist of about 30 sq mtrs of fabric. From turning up setting up and putting your equipment equipment away 45 minutes you cannot be spending a lot of time doing a tidy job. I was started up by a firm in Nottingham and it used to be a competition to see who could clean a suite quickest. They were a right bunch, I learnt from that and started to take pride in what I did and put the customers interests at heart. I run, I train, there are few people fitter, I have invested a lot of money in equipment. I could not do a good job on a suite in 45 minutes. You carry on as you are.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com
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This is a fair enough illustration of a niche market and one that many would choose to ignore for their own reasons .............for a number of years I cleaned several properties owned / managed by church charities and the understanding was.............
To " freshen " carpets and upholstery within the flats which were occupied by alcoholics and rough sleepers who were being encouraged to integrate back into society, to an acceptable level, for the next occupier.
No one else was prepared to undertake the work and the funding was inadequate to replace the carpets and upholstery. I regarded my participation as a contribution to the less fortunate in our society, many are ex armed services personnel who find difficulty in integating after years of not having to think for themselves.
Individual jobs didn't pay that well but still accounted for around £10k per year.
Knowing Gary.............I would expect him to have achieved a lot more in 45 mins than the average operator would in an hour and a half.
Just read Peter's post as I was about to post......................
Your individual fitness has nothing to do with the results you achieve in this industry. I learned a lot about working " effectively " when I worked for Bosch and visited their factories in the early 1980's and put this into my daily working practices.
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Robert
Whay sort of method do you use the Robert you learned from Bosch? I see a lot of people faff about with suites, no method and sloppy approach.
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As I quoted a few months ago, 45 mins no problem, and a fantastic job, including vac, pre spra6, dry fusion cristal clean suite and superb job, customer happy, and can do 6 a day, fact, and no bad back
idealrob
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I`m not talking about doing the best job you can. I`m talking about meeting the customers needs. He required a suite cleaned to sell, and has a limited budget. There is plenty space around the suite, and in how many homes do you get them all in a row. The conditions were ideal to do this quickly. Should I have turned round and stated I only clean suites properly, to my high standards, which is out of your price range? He is a repeat customer. Money is money, and I saw it as a marketing execise as stated before, van on restricted road, customers passing by shop etc. The negatives outweighted the positives, and gives a different slant to cleaning, as Rob said above, there are different markets, if you adapt.
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Cant really see the point of this thread but if you want a race then fair enough - I do lots of homeless sector furniture including suites - some mingers some not so - most done with a Solutions hand mitt and suitable hot cleaning fluid in a dedicated drive in warehouse. 2 seater and 2 chairs can sometimes take as little as 20 minutes! Even the mingers can be done in less than 45 mins with me prowler BUT these are cheap suites with cheap robust fabrics. Had no complaints yet.
To clean an average 3 piece suite in the domestic setting I always quote 2 to 2.5 hours for a proper job that obtains a result worthy of my price tag and I think this time is well quick enough!!
Far too easy to inadvertantly rush into a mistake and damage custys property or even worse the item you are working on so my advice is slow down a bit and up yer prices
Stu
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Never made a mistake in 28 years of cleaning suites, so speed does not cause problems for me, and the last re-clean was about 20 years ago, and the customer was correct, a blocked jet on dry foam machine.
Get prices I am happy with, and dont turn down many, as said before on this forum, my father who has been cleaning suites for 50 years, has a motto, we only clean, clean things.
Yes had plenty of mingers myself, a brown suite that after cleaning, realised its gold etc.
My advice is switch to dry foam and do a quicker, better job, and fit into a gap in the market
idealrob
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You're preaching my gospel Rob.......even got the same name ! There're too many people kidding themselves that taking longer to do a task produces a better result, when in reality many are taking longer, either because they're not efficient, or worse still, they take longer and try to justify their overcharging by taking a lot longer, but only covering the same ground, so to speak.
Sure there are some very large suites that will take twice as long as an " average " 3 pce and some are very " fussy " with extra cushions, deep buttons, swirls, etc, but we're talking average here.
If you are slow, you can speed up by being more efficient in your approach and use of products. Some like to give the impression that everything they do is " by the book " and is the " only way "whereas most change their practices as the gain experience, experiment and realise that their customers expectation, for instance, is not to have their furniture dry as you leave, so why take an extra half hour towelling and blasting with fans when it's totally unnecessary.
Also, the extent of pre vaccing that's occasionally mentioned is nuts and again adding unnecessarily to the total time taken. Again.............there will be occasional suites that need more prepping than others, but getting back to averages.....................I average 90 mins per suite with the occasional one taking longer and I use dry foam a lot, but occasionally use other products, eg, microsplitters or colloidals.
There's no ALWAYS and no NEVER.
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Idealrob, What dry foam machine/chemicals do you use?
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May be because just about everyone is trained in HWE the real hole in the market is training in dry foam cleaning, not the process but the results and it's limitations.
Shaun
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Not doubting your skill and experience Rob - would have to see one of these dry foamers used in anger to be convinced - also I usually get £75 - £100 for a 3 pce but dont beleive our locals would pay that for a job knocked off in half the time I take...??
Best wishes
Stu
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Personally, I hate cleaning suites. I'd rather clean a minging urine-soaked carpet than a suite!
I suppose it takes me about 2 or 3 hours. Trouble is I have a bit of an iffy back and all that bending down really takes it out of me.
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Using crisal dry foam upholstery machine, pre spay with solutions m power plus and then cristal fusion dry foam .
before that holloway dry foam machine and Reckitts or jwyes dry foam shampoo.
idealrob
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Just noticed that the Chinese manufacturer have taken the dry foam machine from their ebay website.
Shaun
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Where have the taken it ?
idealrob
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Probably on a slow boat
Shuaun
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My original dry foaming was machine based, with the Holloway ( which I still have ) followed by a machine similar to, but inferior to the Von Schrader, then the Von Schrader which was OK, but the highest productivety and most thorough clean was / is achieved with bonnet mitts.
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When people buy or take over second hand furniture they often think oh I will get that cleaned it will only be about £20
When you go to look it smells of cig smoke etc
Also you have antique dealers and second hand furniture retailers who want suites and chairs freshened up
But have no idea of the time it will take to achieve what they want
So the question is do you compromise your standards earn a few pounds at the end of the day.
Do you do Charity Cases as part of your PR scheme and putting back into society
Or do you advise the client to go down the hire route
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Good post Ian.
I do the odd job for a housing assoction kinda place. Infact its like a home for drunks and homeless :D
I do charge them less than i normaly charge. They usualy get me round once or twice a month for one or two rooms at a time. Been doing that place for 3 years now. Its worked out good tho as its lead to more lucrative work.
Tony
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It usually takes me three hours to clean an average ten cusion suite, but i use threeair movers and you can normally sit on them straight away after ive finished and i get £150 which is £30 per bum, i used to say per seat, but then you would get the jokers with the two cusion three seaters saying they were a two seater
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Spoke with the customer today, and was delighted with the clean, and has added £100 to the price of the suite. Everyones happy. ;D
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Robert Meldrome
why is it that you critisise every reply that you dont aggree with ? do you have a chip on your shoulder or what ?
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I've read some right bollox over the years on this forum but this topic is fast de-generating into the worst of the lot.
Are we talking about doing a job properly or just achieving a quick fix?
It appears the initial comment was a requirement for a 'quick fix' and hence the 45 minutes. For flock sake I can do a 3 piece suite it in 45 minutes if the customer only wants to pay £30 just for arms on bum seats.
Anyway back in the real world I thought we liked to do jobs properly, afterall enough posters (namely newbies) get shouted at to get on a course or two when they ask for advice, but some of them will pick up on comments here about doing a suite in less than an hour and think that is the normal speed.
I did a 2 seater and 2 armchairs this morning. Just doing a deep pre vac which can remove over 60% of the visable dirt took me 50 minutes and I ain't no slow coach when it comes to working. Total time on the job 2 hours and I'm one of those that if the backs and sides ain't dirty then they just get vacuumed.
Professionals? Some on here make me wonder.
And I too have done work for charity run organisations. Although I might not charge my normal hourly rate I still do the job to the same standard as any other job.
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Well said neil. What are people trying to be ? the fastest upholstery cleaners or the best.
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The faster you do them, the more you can clean, and the more money you can make. Yes its not about speed, its about doing a great job, getting repeat work, keeping customer happy, and this we have done for me personally for 30 years, with the method I beleive in and find suits me and the time I like to spend, which i like to keep about an hour, just my oponion.
Never wear myself out, but used to clean upto 8 suites and carpets per day for months on end, alway atleast 5 suites & carpets, thats 5 suites and 5 carpets on the same day, 10 of each was a record and worked 8am till 6pm, a total of 20, and no complaints
idealrob
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Some may mock the idea, I'd like to see it in action and make my own mind up, I believe it until I see it as I'm an optimist, personally I haven't found the system or technique to do it.
Shaun
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I've read some right bollox over the years on this forum but this topic is fast de-generating into the worst of the lot.
Just doing a deep pre vac which can remove over 60% of the visable dirt took me 50 minutes and I ain't no slow coach when it comes to working.
Neil, no offense but 50 mins to hoover a sofa? WTF :o
The answer for newbies is to take as long as it takes in the beggining. The done in 45mins doesn't really apply. For starters all newbies should fully test which can take a good 10-15 mins at least. As you get busy and more experienced your time will improve you will learn valid 'shortcuts' from experienced cleaners and know when you can do it and when you can't.
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Neil, no offense but 50 mins to hoover a sofa? WTF :o
It's called spending enough time to get all dried matter out, which in the past and on a few occassions has resulted in no wet cleaning required. But if I still need to wet clean what I'm not doing is creating a sludge that then needs extraction.
Anyway whilst many might not agree with my method rather going with just start spraying and extracting, comments like this "but used to clean upto 8 suites and carpets per day for months on end" are just plain stupid if you're going to do a proper job.
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Why is it stupid Neil, doing a great job with dry foam, just like LM is quick for carpets, the same for suites, you keep on doing 50 mins vac, and 2 hours clean, and we will see who is stupid, think about it
idealrob
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As I said when I started out it was with a Nottingham based firm and they really were as rough as they come. They could clean a suite in about 45 minutes and thought they were superhuman. They were not, they were a bunch of cowboys who thought they were doing a good job. A totally different standard of job to me, there was not point in telling them I just humored them.
We were using von schrader dry foam machines. Quite obviously a suite that is 5 years old requires a good brush and vacuum which realistically takes about 15 minutes or so. setting up and packing up the equipment, spotting stains etc. To do a good job on a suite it does take 2 hours minimum, anybody who thinks they can do a good job in 45 mins is just kidding. Even the machine manufacturers state these times in their manuals. You did have the occasional "clean" suite you could wizz over in an hour but this is not the normal. I have cleaned 5 suites in a day but it meant working until 10pm in a pre- christmas period. (You do need a level of fitness to bend and work for that period of time and do that day after day)
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://
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who gives a f%$k how fast someone cleans suites, quick, slow, 45 mins, 3 hours, £5 a seat, £50 a seat, as long as we're all making money and sleeping at night then you go girls.
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So speaketh a businessman ............ie, someone with the ability to CLEARLY assess a potential outcome and carry out the tasks needed to achieve that outcome with the best use of his TIME, his knowledge and his equipment. Always mindfull of giving VALUE to his customers.
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Cleaned another 2 suites today. Very slow, took 2 1/2 hours total, but did have to stop to hand out business cards, and book in 2 jobs for next week. Better than cleaning 2 flights of stairs up, with no lift !!!!
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idealrob
your having a laugh - 10 of each in 10 hours.
30 minutes each not including travel!!!!!!
John
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No, true, we used to advertise special offer in our 4 dry cleaning shops, and dairy was full by october for upto christmas eve, all local, and sometimes 3 or 4 on the same estate. thats why I beleive in the method, its good, quick and no complaints, only one which was as said before, justified.
Here all the rubbish about manuals saying it takes at least 2 hours minimum to clean suite. thats the rubbish, trying to say the poor & wrong method takes time, it doesnt, its the wrong system.
My father did it before me, and we are Teesside longest established carpet & upholstery cleaners, and still going strong after over 50 years. If it was the wrong method or too quick would we still be trading, and because of carpet cleaning, have a 5000sq ft factory, bought just for carpet cleaning and rugs.
Still dont beleive, thats why when i went to cleaning show this year, saw the cristal fusion dry foam machine, liked it and bought it a few months later. just like in late 70`s dad when to cleaning show in I think Frankfurt, saw the hydromist little orange HWE extraction , started hiring them out and had at least a dozen a day out at a tenner a go and 15 on a weekend, made lots, because we beleived in the system for the public. made lots in 70 and 80`s
idealrob
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Lord Alan Sugar has a book out at the minute, and a few chapters are being published in The Daily Express and todays hedline is " FASTER & CHEAPER- THAT HOW I GOT RICHER"
He found a gap in the market and went for it, reduced cost and time and made money,and admited it wasnt the best product.
There is a market for everyone
idealrob
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Rob, in your market ,Teeside , that is spot on , used to do 6,7,800 a day every nov and dec there , back in the 90's . It works.
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Course it works .........it's how Branson, Stelios ( easyjet ) the Dragons and many others became VERY WEALTHY. but they ran FULL TIME businesses and were not afraid of hard work.
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If you go on a Branson jet or buy his products I wouldn't say they are cheap, cheaper than the most expensive but he tends to go for frills and mid to high range, he doesn't like to be compared on price more on quality to price.
Stellios is a Freddie Laker and is doing everything on price but he does take great pride in his work.
But... the 2 of them are owner/managers not the work force and deligate their work as carpet cleaners we are mostly owner workers.
Robert Meldrum and Ideal Rob do have some excellent points based on offering a quicker clean at the 'right money' the way it falls down is that when you HWE all of the time anything less is classed as not good enough as HWE if done properly to the letter will yield better results regarding amount of soil and stains removed imo. The other thing is that when you quote over the phone you don't know what you are going into and if you go into a minger then will dry foam do?
Shaun
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Course it works .........it's how Branson, Stelios ( easyjet ) the Dragons and many others became VERY WEALTHY. but they ran FULL TIME businesses and were not afraid of hard work.
You cant compare the two....
Stack em high and sell em cheap doesn't apply in the service industry, and especialy when there's only one person doing the servicing!
There's only so many hours in the day that you can work, even if you charge £500 an hour! There's always a limit.
On the other hand, There's NO limit to the amount of products you can push out the door!
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Im always amazed that what isnt good enough for me is loved by customers and accepted as a fantastic job.
I think that my expectations of a realistic job isnt matched by customers whose perception of an acceptable job is ''as long as it looks better than before its great!!
So I am interested in investing in a LM (dry foam)upholstery system but find the cost of £1800+vat a bit of a risk if people aren't impressed with the results.
Would love to do a suite in 1 hour but dont want to compromise a good reputation for quality cleaning service for a higher turnover.
Do you dry foamers do a survey first? do you also offer HWE as a (premium priced) deeper cleaning option??
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I was thinking of a 2 tier service also, I just remember that when I used one before and ended up ditching it but I think the door is still open.
Shaun
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When I started c/c I did my best to find the best products and tools and after many years along came the ultimate ............ CFR machine 400psi and fantastic tooling used with microsplitters with other products if the m/s failed to deliver.
I loved that combination but the machines are big and much of my work was in flatted properties so I had to use substitutes ( smaller machines ) for many jobs, but I had a Holloway machine which could supply solution directly to the spinning brush and I used it with dry foam.
The machine is HEAVY in use ......the brushes sprayed anything within a couple of feet so I got a Von Schrader which worked reasonably well but was SLOW and when running over the backs and sides of suites with sponges / brushes I discovered the little bonnet mitt was getting a better result than the machines and was MUCH faster.
A particular suite which I'd cleaned for a couple of years was much " fresher " after I'd used the dry foam with bonnet mitt on my next visit and that promted me to experiment further.
There are plenty dry foams available. I've used Chemspec, Prochem, Von Schrader, and others, but find I get excellent results from Chemblends product and it's British and only costs about £7 for 5 ltrs.
I always have a portable HWE machine with me as some jobs require that method.
I do NOT and would never agree with the thinking that ..........taking longer to do a job results in a better finish. I've worked with / observed many CRAFTSMEN in many trades / professions and in spite of their superior knowledge and ability they are never slow...........if anything they are faster than the less qualified or less capable.
Incidentally ....in the case of Branson.....I was referring to how he built his initial wealth which allowed him to get where he is today...........There are many more Bransons around I'll just name a few more from up here....Tom Farmer ( Kwik Fit ).....Tom Hunter....( J B or is it JJB Sports )....Ann Gloag ( Stagecoach )
Tony says ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,doesn't work in this industry...................of course it does and you don't have to be bottom end price, but you do have to be prepared to work. If you get more than you can handle, you make a business decision.................by getting someone to work with you or for you.
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Some people think dry foam is the poor option, I dont use it just because its quicker, I honestly beleive its better, safer and is excellent on corners, and soft suites and cushions, so dont knock it till you have tried it, and done hundreds of mingers, and cleaned fantastic, like I said the brown suite that turned out to be gold.
Maybe have to put some youtube video on showing the system on some mingers, and not just how quick it is, but how good it is. When I first started cleaning suites in late 70`s, most were dralon 10 cusion traditional 3 piece suites, and still think it was the best method for these types, and still beleive it today, for us I admit it was not as good as HWE on cotton prints in the 80`s, but with the micro spliiter and chems today, its a lot easier.
idealrob
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Rob
are you using a machine or hand mitt?.
How are you cleaning and what chems do you use.?
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Robert which mitts do you use and how do you apply the solution?
Shaun
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Shaun, we use the bonnet type hand pad with the green stripe through it, with chemblend dryfoam very similar to prochem fibre shampoo.but smells cleaner. Wring out the mitt and it foams, ready to use.
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Just a round hand mitt and a bucket? or do you have a ringer? (no puns please)
Shaun
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Maybe wring it out by hand :)
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up north we don`t need a wringer for hand mitts ;)
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I used to use this method solely for years but found that on very dirty suites it was lacking also when the water in the bucket went from hot to warm the solution was inactive, is this the method that was used to clean a suite in 45 mins?
Thinking about it 45 mins is a long time ;D but the bases could be done in 10 mins each easily the cushions could be a challenge dependant on soiling, pity that something like Prochem fabric restorer doesn't encapsulate.
Shaun
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Would like to see a video of this method in action. Anyone know of any videos on youtube??
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Shaun,
Let me recap, since you can`t be ars!d reading the full thread. ::)
THE SUITE WAS IN A ROW. I UNLOADED PORTY, 5 YARDS , INTO SHOP. I then vacuumed 2 chairs, SINCE THEY WERE BADLY SOILED.I then presprayed, and aggitated with minitex, then set up PORTY, and extracted. Being in a shop window it was sunny, and the heating was on. The CUSTOMER ONLY WANTED THE SUITES, FRESHENED UP TO SELL, AND WAS NOT PREPARED TO PAY MY USUAL RATE, HENCE THE RATHER QUICK CLEAN. Pack stuff away, and collect dosh = 45 minutes.
Did I mention that included a tea, and also a toilet break? ;D ;D ;D
I mostly use drifoam for backs, sides of chairs, running over them with the pad, and sometimes where your back comes in contact with the sofa.(I`m sure theres a name for it, but can`t remember) if it`s not too dirty. I would like to trial the dryfoam machine but it is rather expensive.
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i vac suite, the pre spray with m-power, the clean suite with dry fusion cristal machine, then at the end usually 30 mins, use the dry fusion machine to vacuum off any residue or foam. The chemical used in machine is cristal foam upholstery detergent, but use any good dry foam detergent. Can use a mitt on when suite is clean at back or sides. The machine is very much like von schrader esperit machine, its not a bucket and sponge type system.
Wonder if dry fusion have any videos
idealrob
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Gary the thread is a week old and I forget the ins and outs and can't be bothered to keep re reading it and also get confused with the posts from other forums I visit so don't take offence.
I think it's a great method one I keep wanting to revisit, I used to have a foaming sprayer which used to spray an aired cloud of shampoo, the idea of a foaming machine is that it whips up the foam with air which in turn keeps the shampoo suspended and less wet.
I would be interested in seeing a video of this method manual and with a machine.
Shaun
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Morning Shaun
I use the Yorkshire product, not because it's a lot cheaper to buy but because it's as good if not better than others. Chemspec's latest products may be as good and I'd love to try some of the stuff I rad about on the US forums, but I like the Chemblend product.
I find the bonnet mitts ....saturated then wrung out by hand ....to be capable of as good as or better than HWE on most suites, not flat weaves, although I often find areas on flat weaves that respond well to the method of cleaning.
I DON'T use machines as I find the mitts are quicker to use and easier to use. The method IS physical and NOT for wimps. Also, it dies out your hands and can be pretty hard on the skin as the mitts tend to rub quite a bit on the palms.
Purists will say it does'nt extract the soil like HWE which is true, it doesn't suck it out but bonnets DO collect a lot dirt and having used it for several years I can assure you it does NOT attract resoiling in fact seems to inhibit resoiling for longer than HWE products.
I played around with small o/p machines but the action of taking the bonnet off, rinsing, soaking, wringing out, re attaching to be too time consuming compared with just doing it by hand.
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No worries shaun, just thought you were at a delicate age when more stuffs falls out your brain than stays in. ;D ;D
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I have a feeling it never went in !
I have a small Op hand buffer but it doesn't work as well as I hoped on upholstery as it shakes around too much where a more rotary system spins on the spot better I came to the conclusion that it was the circular motion isn't big enough for Ops of this size 6" and it just vibrates more than spins.
Shaun
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I tried using a professional car buffer, but found more flew off, and it wasn`t practical.
Shaun, did you ever try/see in action the machine solutions were selling, that attached to a drill?
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Never saw it in the flesh, I'd have to recommend the minitex for a slow rotation, I'd like one of these, you could attach a spray nozzle between the 2 heads.
Shaun
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I came acros a twin headed machine a couple of years ago but never took note at the time....might try to find it again.....
There's an 11" o/p machine I'd considered importing but wasn't sure about the sales potential. Would be brilliant on stairs but probably too big for suites.
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That looks like the twin headed one I mentioned
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First time I've noticed it to be 240v bit pricy though £350
Shaun
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Cleaning another suite today. Guy comented how the other 3 had flew out the door after being freshened up. He now knows what second hand suites to buy that will clean up ok. Everyones a winner ;)