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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Moderator David@stives on September 16, 2005, 11:10:02 pm
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Re: Who Owns The pwc magazine
Current Appointments Report for:
THE PROFESSIONAL WINDOW CLEA
Created: 16/09/2005
Company Register Information
Company Number: 05454390 Date of Incorporation:17/05/2005
Company Name: THE PROFESSIONAL WINDOW CLEANER MAGAZINE LIMITED
Registered Office:
MA
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Status: Active
Nature Of Business (SIC(92)): None Supplied
Mortgage: Number of Charges: ( 0 outstanding / 0 part satisfied / 0 satisfied)
Previous Names
No previous name information has been recorded over the last 20 years.
Key Filing Dates
Accounting Reference Date: 31/05
Last Accounts Made Up To:
Next Accounts Due: 17/03/2007
Last Return Made Up To:
Next Return Due: 14/06/2006
Last Bulk Shareholders List: Not available
Current Appointments
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DIRECTOR: MAWLAM, CRAIG
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Niiiceee
Did you use one or two hands?
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copy and paste
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yes the cats on the streets now,no more hide and seek,its ok philip you can come out now ;D
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You cant hide nuffin these days with the net
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At least it's unbiased :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
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Hello everyone, and I apologise for my recent absence from the forum, especially when questions about the magazine are being raised. I have been away for a few days, but I will address these issues now.
The apparent contraversy raised initially by Bryan Dolby (in, what is my opinion an attempt to divert attention from the Federation's own situation) in who actually owns Professional Window Cleaner Magazine.
When the magazine was launched back in February of this year, I made no secret of the fact that the initial stages of pubication were being supported (and funded) by the British Window Cleaning Academy. I am very grateful to Craig Mawlam for this support, and I can tell you that without it there would simply be no magazine.
Following the launch, PWC was very well received by readers, and it's clear to me that window cleaners have been crying out for a source of information on their trade. However, while other "general" cleaning magazines are funded entirely by advertising, the window cleaning industry is a very different animal.
Indeed, after the first issue was out, it was clear that a major restructuring of the magazine was necessary, and of course, the medium term funding of the magazine was an issue which needed attention. I'm sure that members of the forum would be quite suprised to know just how much it costs to produce a single issue of PWC.
In view of this, The BWCA, well Craig actually, was so keen to see that the magazine was a success, that he agreed to support the magazine in its early stages beyond the first issue. Again, I can assure everyone here that if it were not for this generous support, there would be now no magazine.
To facilitate this, a seperate publishing company was formed, "The Professional Window Cleaner Magazine Ltd" and it is the documents of this company that have been posted here, and you will notice, quite rightly, that Craig is a director. As his funding is supporting the publishing of the magazine in these early stages, this is appropriate, and has never been hidden. The documents of the company have been a matter of public record for some months now, and indeed if you wanted to hide something - forming a limited company is exactly the wrong way to go about it. Anyone can pay the £1 download fee and obtain the company documents, as rightly they should.
Although this arrangement is entirely new for the window cleaning industry, it is not at all new for magazine publishing. Mobile Choice, for example, which is now Britian's leading Mobile Phone magazine was sponsored in its erly stages by The Link (The mobile phone shop).
The real question to ask is, does this mean that Craig Mawlam has an influence over the content of PWC? And here is the answer:
As you might expect, you will see adverts from Ionic Systems, The BWCA and Pure2o - but you will also see adverts from direct competitors to Ionic, including Tucker Pole Systems, Outreach Systems and Clena Systems. Aside from these, I have also invited (and continue to invite) other pole supply manufacturers to advertise, in addition to other types of supplier (for example Hand tools and Hydraulic Platforms). I have not invited Brodex to advertise, for reasons that many on this forum will know.
When the Daily Mirror printed fake photographs of Iraqis being tortured, in the storm of contraversy that followed, it was Piers Morgan, the Mirror's editor that was held responsible, NOT the directors of Mirror Group Newspapers. The point I'm making is that I am wholly responsible for the content of PWC, and I am the person responsible for its policies. Readers can use their own judgement to see if it is a magazine they want to read or not, and I am very pleased to say that, though I am not perfect, it is received well, and enjoyed by those who get it.
I even referred to this arrangement in the June issue of PWC, in the editorial section, page 5:
"in order for us to continually produce a high-quality magazine, it has meant we have needed to completely restructure our publishing operation. We are also accepting the ongoing support of The British Window Cleaning Academy"
But then, as neither Sean nor Bryan subscribe to PWC, I can understand that they would not have all the facts at their disposal.
So, as Paul Risbridger has rightly pointed out, I have made no secret of this, and the fact that Bryan and Sean have chosen to raise this issue at a time when the Federation is being criticised, in my opinion, tells you more about Bryan, Sean and the Federation than it does about PWC.
While we're on the subject of directors, I find it particularly fascinating that Sean should bring it up. Although you, Sean, repeatedly refer to yourself as the sales director of Brodex, I have the current appointments report for Brodex Ltd in front of me, (which I have just downloaded from the Companies House website), and you are not on it. You are not a director of Brodex, and are you aware that it is a criminal offence to claim the office of a company that you do not hold?
-Philip
PS Out of respect for Mike Boxall and this forum, if anyone has any other questions to do with the magazine, I'll be happy to answer them by email.
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Vell done gruppenfuhrer david@St. Ives!
So now we know who owns it - but does the editor have free rein to run it without interference from the owner? (Did the editor of the Daily Mirror run that without interference from owner Cap'n Bob aka Robert Maxwell?)
Oink flap! Oink flap!
What's that I hear?
OINK FLAP! OINK FLAP!
Oh, it's a flying pig.
Modified to add - this was posted at about the same time as Philip Hansons post above and hit the board before I saw his post. Other than this modification it is exactly as originally posted. (Publish and be d a m n e d)
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still a good magazine though .
i have filled in 2 subscription forms for them to get in touch so i could pay .
but all i get is the version with squeegies everywhere for free.i have tried to pay a couple of times in the past.
good reply philip . i didn`t start the owner issue i just picked up on it and i like to share with my fellow posters
dave
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i have modified the title of this post ,as i dont want to stir things up it was meant for information purposes only as i think we should know these things when we are reading something
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Hi David,
Sorry - that post was not aimed at yourself. I copied and pasted it.
As I say, in fairness to Mike and his forum, I will be happy to answer any questions about PWC by email.
-Philip
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Nice reply Philip.
I really can not see the point in raising the funding of PWC I have read all three issues to date and find them both informative and intresting.If the mag needs support in the early days what's the problem?
Sports teams and other enterprises seek out sponsorship deals but it don't mean that thay are controled by the sponsors,
From what I've read on this forum there seems to be a witch hunt going on against Ionics and PWC,
Ionics are not the only WFP supplier but they seem to have a well structured bussines that goes out and chases new customers (like we do) is that wrong?
PWC to date has produced in my opinion a good easy to read information mag (better and cheaper than any I,ve recieved from the fed) so what if they are sponsored by Ionics what I,ve read to date has been sensible articles full of useful information.
Instead of this lets find the dirt I would have though it would have been in all our intrests to send constructive idea's and thoughts to PWC to help it become even better not try and trash it before its had chance to show what it can do for our trade.
Thats my rant over (baby woke,went back to sleep and left me awake with now't to do)
Alan
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my 2p
it was clear from day 1, and philip did say that the first issue was funded by ionics (or a branch)
seems PWC and ionics isnt in the "in gang" anymore
who cares if they own it or not, people seem happy with the mag, i dont read the ad's, i dont even watch ad's on TV
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Hi Everyone,
The reply from Philip is more than enough. At the end of the day, it does not matter who is director of what company or who is funding it.
Personally, I take my hat off to Craig at Ionics, for investing his money and supporting the magazine and giving our trade a good informative magazine.
As for Philip, keep up the good work.
Andrew
P.s. No, I have not subscribed, however I have received the free subscriptions and I will be subscribing next month.
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Cor you love copy and paste dont you David. Are all your posts nicked. :o
Justin
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JUSTIN
No not at all have a look through my post history and you will see i have my own mind .
i have so far copied
1) this one and that is obvious
2) one funny car story
3) a wfp explanation letter ,which i stated i copied off the bear and modified it and gave to the group.
that is it . so are there any more snide comments mr ruggles
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Just to lighten things up and get back to the thread topic.............
Hi Everyone,
The reply from Philip is more than enough. At the end of the day, it does not matter who is director of what company or who is funding it.
Personally, I take my hat off to Craig at Ionics, for investing his money and supporting the magazine and giving our trade a good informative magazine.
As for Philip, keep up the good work.
Andrew
P.s. No, I have not subscribed, however I have received the free subscriptions and I will be subscribing next month.
Excellent reply from Andrew. I subscribed and have got more from it than I ever did with 4 years of window Talk. For me as long as it drops through my letterbox and its useful who cares !!!
Sarill
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I get more from this site than any magazine.
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Your not alone David.
I think most people on this site would say the same. Its just a shame that decent thread topics descend into personal digs at people/companies.
I'm all for a good laugh and a realy good constuctive debate but one word answers directed at people/companies just because their views arn't shared is totally uncondusive to the forum.
Having said that and I repeat " I could not have taken the leap to wfp if it had not been for this site and some key people on it " so am with you on its value to us w/c's.
Hope you are healing, reagrds,
Sarill
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Cor you love copy and paste dont you David. Are all your posts nicked. :o
Justin
david, looks like your not in the gang either ::) ::)
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I have never hidden the fact that I am involved in PWC, however I would be grateful if one of the moderators or the nice Mr David Morris would remove my wife' details and our home address from his post.
Many thanks
Craig Mawlam
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Craig i was doing jyst the same while you was typing , have a look on what i wrote on pro`s
i have nothing against you sorry i did not think, look at the time of posting
dave
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thanks for the e.mail
i can now see the picture
started by a member of the "gang" over at pro's, funny how sean is still having a go, even after all this time
seems people really are jealous of what ionics have built (and i am no fan)
whats wrong sean, still bitter that your systems STILL aint as good as Ionics
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oh and i notice in philips post he mentions the fed and bryan
Hmmmmmm interesting indeed
whats that about ?? ?? ? ??
are the PWC or ionics thinking of starting a rival fed, perhaps a feds thats in this decade, not stuck in the times when people used bikes instead of cars and vans
where a member of the board slates WFP on national TV
a new upto date fed, sponsered by ionics, it just might work, at least ionics are striving to succed not just living in the past, some1 to promote the trade in a modern light
what about it craig, you thinking of starting a FED, if not, why not ?? ?? ?? ??
oh and before any1 says anything, im not a fan of ionics or any of the system makers
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Cor you love copy and paste dont you David. Are all your posts nicked. :o
Justin
david, looks like your not in the gang either ::) ::)
No i am not in the gang they wont let me in as i just speak my mind and what i see, sometimes without thinking first
must be something to do with being human
i have no one to side with . you have to be either pro something eg
the fed ,bwca, ionics,wfp, brodex,anti ladder,ladderr only,anti wfp,anti fed,.anti ionics, anti brodex
i either get ignored or slated or upset someone or get some loony picking up and saying well done dave ,welcome to my world when i open my mouth.
because you need to be in a gang over there and i have not decided which one i want to be in yet.
i am my own man and speak my own mind .if someone does me a good service i tell everyone. and try to stay away from witchhunts ,thats why i am sorry i started this thread,i just didn`t think .time to stay away from politics
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dave
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gary glitters gang .we had bettere watch you mate ;D
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does sean from brodex not use CIU now ? ? ? ? ?
was he banned and stil banned ? ? ? ? ? ?
Philip, if you read this, dont let them grind you down, its not worth it
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matt
have you seen this one
http://www.another forum.co.uk/?board=win_clng_issues;action=display;num=1126902152;start=45#45
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fixed
http://www.another forum.co.uk/?board=win_clng_issues;action=display;num=1126902152;start=0
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replace another cleaning forum with cleaning pros it changes it when i copy it
dave
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i dont know why it does that . i thought it was all pally pally around here. ;D
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David, the word filter was changed to stop anotherforum from advertising on this site.
The background is: This site pays to advertise, then anotherforum members were trawling this site to recruit for their own site free-of-charge. Apparantly it gets very quiet there at times and they were looking for new blood.
Graham knows. He's just been winding you up.
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Tosh i thought that .
i dont think you are in any danger of losing anyone from here ,the other place is so damn political and have lost all sense of humour and goodwill to fellow w/c s .this is the only place you can post without causing ww3 .i think we should send graham over there .he would go down a treat.
chears
dave
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Topic locked boys, it's veering way off line and becoming pointless.
If you wish to discuss other topics, start another thread.
Regards,
Ian