Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Moderator David@stives on September 16, 2005, 04:21:05 pm
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i have just seen craig mawlams post on c/ps and he states that newsnight are broadcasting another article TONIGHT on the wahd and window cleaning to clear up the unresolved issues of the last program .
i bet they go on about a trad/wfp feud ,just a guess
thanks to craig for the info
dave
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What time and channel is it on?
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10.30 pm bbc2
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Watch it live via your computer
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm
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solo
any chance of you doing the download again
thanks
dave
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/review/4252114.stm
i told you it "says rags at sundown" and andrew lee (fed chairman) gets into soapy bubbles "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/review/4252114.stm
you can see the original video on there for people who do not know what it is about or missed it .
tonights programme is going to cause more controversy me thinks.
the news wants to cause war.just a case of the news making the news.
dave
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look whats on the program
Iran's nuclear capability
Chinese economy
oh and window cleaning
they must REALLY be short of news ::) ::) ::) in the real world, its only cleaning some windows ::) ::) ::)
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yes but wait for the war afterwards on the pro site
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dont worry they have already cut the program time down,I have learned ::) they wanted me to slagg off the wfps and be ladder man!I said i will not do this,all tools
are in our industry,I will not take sides, TV or no TV ,never done it in 30 years not going to now!if there was someone I think they would love it,a barney on TV :D
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Sensible deision Terry - you are right there's a place for both. My signature on this forum is 'ladderless or traditional - its whichever suits the job best'.
Regards
Sarill
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Terry
well we all know whats coming on pro`s . its not to bad on this site.do you know whats on it
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no I am not sure TV pick you and drop you,I know they have cut it down,they wanted me to be ladder man,I am not taking sides,its harmful whatever way,not needed will just have to watch,I think this will carry on,watch this space
Terry
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Yeah, they wanted me on there too, but I said no way, I'll discuss it on the forum but my fistula is not for tv.
No compromise
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dried egg ,they failed to mention it took them both 45 mins
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quote author=The Cleaner Service =]
Yeah, they wanted me on there too, but I said no way, I'll discuss it on the forum but my fistula is not for tv.
No compromise
Looks like the contents of your fistula got plastered on the windows for the newsnight trial! ;D
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I recognised reuben ,who was the traditional guy
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what you never saw was the real time they did it in shame,no news the squeegee hands on will always win,if you want a race that is,well watch this space there will be more, ;D
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Hi everyone
I am much happier with that report on News night. At least there where no lies told or Bulls**t. The WFP can do the job, just as good as traditional methods.
Now the FED have been told by the HAS as have News night, that ladder days will soon be over. Not so good for the traditional cleaner, however, you cannot put a price on your own safety people.
Well, now will be the time for the FED to close its doors and realise it is out dated and make way for a new Fed.
Andrew
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Hold on now Musky, the HSE said they'll be tightening up.
A hangman tightening up means...you are a dead man.
A jockey tightening up means his horse may still win.
A rule on ladders tightening up means safe use of ladder work...not the death of them or their users
Pj
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I think the new regs will affect employees and working on businesses rather than self employed .
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Well that's sold me WFP, egg is the hardest thing to get off and WFP did it.
Well done Reubens.
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didn`t say that squeegie was 2 mins and wfp took 2 days ;D
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Yep watch it eggain everyone, it is still a bit of a yolk, allwhite
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Egg yolk, bloody awful stuff, trad or with WFP, when it has dried on it's an absolute pig to get off, usualy means a knife.
Terry,
In a straight race of course Trad will win, but even you would be hard pressed to clean 3 georgian windows (18 panes each window) faster than a WFP, and you are the world record holder.
Initial cleaning, particularly if you have things like egg, paint, silicone or dried putty will always need to be done with trad methods, but standard window cleaning?
WFP for me ;)
This newnight program felt more balanced to me (apart from the egg test) and it did infer at the end of the article that working off ladders,...er, well the writing, if not quite on the wall, is certainly being drafted!!
Did you see that muppett up that ladder with only one of the top stiles in the corner of a window?
And people wonder why they are tightening up the Working At Height regs :-\
Mind how you go now,
Ian....with both feet firmly on the ground!
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that guy was one of andrew lees (health &safety officer of nfmw&gc)guys.
the very same bloke who said wfp could not remove soilage.
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Well done Dave for yer observations tonight. Keep yer eyes peeled and yer bum aired
Pj
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that guy was one of andrew lees (health &safety officer of nfmw&gc)guys.
the very same bloke who said wfp could not remove soilage.
Allegedly - mind you if the above is true there was egg on Andrew Lees's face - as well as the BBC's windows
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apparently one of the w/c guys from cleaning pros had been following
lees guys and taking photos .sad or what.
i use my ladder like that loads .sometimes it is the only way for some of my windows
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that guy was one of andrew lees (health &safety officer of nfmw&gc)guys.
the very same bloke who said wfp could not remove soilage.
Allegedly - mind you if the above is true there was egg on Andrew Lees's face - as well as the BBC's windows
that is why they chose that photo
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I saw the item on News Night, correct me if I'm wrong but was Reuben using Thermo reach and wash I ask this because the motive on the van was red (= thermo pure)?
If it was Then I'm looking into heating my water as I've been trying for several months now to get egg of a customers window and still can't get it all off (I would use ladders but its above a conservatory)
And although the blade was quicker than the brush the brush will always be quicker than the blade when there is more than one window above ground level.
Alan
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I watched it last night and was VERY surprised Rueben got the egg off, I've never been able to manage it with WFP even going back to it after soaking.
I think Alan is probably right, it must have been a thermopure system, which has just added several thousand pounds to your outlay!! Not many of us can afford to go down that route.
Some factual stats would be good, like how long did it take each of them and more importantly how much water did Ruebens have to use to get his clean, I bet we are talking a lot more than a standard 7 ltrs per house use.
I am not for or against either system, we use both ladders and WFP, but they are simply tools to get the windows clean and they each have their uses.
People on here seem to be falling into either one camp or the other. I'm going to make a bold statement:
"Ladders are not a safety risk, it's the people who use them that are the risk"
If used correctly ladders are as safe as any other tool.
How many people get killed or injured crossing the road each year? Is crossing the road dangerous? Have the HSE stopped people crossing every road? No! They introduced the Green Cross Code so it could be done correctly and safely. Where it wasn't safe they build underpasses or foot bridges or pelican crossings.
WFP is simply the equivalent of a underpass or footbridge, it is not the only way to do it, simply a safer way in certain situations. However, if we all complied with the Green Cross Code for using ladders there would be a fewer accidents.
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lionheart
well said.
whatever you need or personaly prefer to do the job is right as long as you use it safe
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egg on windows, similar to bird crap
soak area
do other windows that side of the house
attach unger scrapper to pole
scrape egg / bird crap
soak again
do other side of house
go back and scrub a little with brush, its gone
i ALLWAYS find it works on
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I assume he used a scraper.
it would be nice to get a comment from Reuben.
I think we are all interested with this one.
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I saw the item on News Night, correct me if I'm wrong but was Reuben using Thermo reach and wash I ask this because the motive on the van was red (= thermo pure)?
If it was Then I'm looking into heating my water as I've been trying for several months now to get egg of a customers window and still can't get it all off (I would use ladders but its above a conservatory)
And although the blade was quicker than the brush the brush will always be quicker than the blade when there is more than one window above ground level.
Alan
Thermopure to the rescue, I did use hot water as it would of took forever with cold with no time to pre-soak the window.
It took 3-4 min to clean window and frame, the hot water broke down the dirt and egg on the glass quite easy, quite a lot of time was taken on scrubbing the frame to avoid runs.
The next clean would be done in a third of the time.
It was quite nerve racking !! the scapper was used on the other window and he commented afterwards that his hands stunk of eggs.
Regards
Reuben
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;D The power of the pole,well done,Gaz. ;)
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Reuben
thaks for coming on and telling us about it
im still not buying one though ;D ;D
dave
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I saw the item on News Night, correct me if I'm wrong but was Reuben using Thermo reach and wash I ask this because the motive on the van was red (= thermo pure)?
If it was Then I'm looking into heating my water as I've been trying for several months now to get egg of a customers window and still can't get it all off (I would use ladders but its above a conservatory)
And although the blade was quicker than the brush the brush will always be quicker than the blade when there is more than one window above ground level.
Alan
Alan,
Daniel Blythen has just started a new thread on a portable water heater if you want to keep an eye on it.
Looks as if it cost about £900 but even so far cheaper than the thermo.
Regards,
Sarill
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People on here seem to be falling into either one camp or the other. I'm going to make a bold statement:
"Ladders are not a safety risk, it's the people who use them that are the risk"
If used correctly ladders are as safe as any other tool.
I would agree with that statement up to a point, comparing it to crossing the road is silly though, the analogy simply is not the same.
The ladder is inherently dangerous, sometimes no matter how careful you are, a moments inattention can result in a serious accident. Of course it can be used safely, and most of the time, just as you say, it is the user that is the problem.
Working off a ladder means working at height, if the ladder is wet, even the best shoes can slip off a rung, and we must all have had the odd heart stopping moment, even if nothing untoward happened. But it is when that little slip of the foot that you catch before it goes to far, does indeed GO to far, then it's SPLATT!! time.
Perhaps I am being a bit pedantic here, I think lionheart is basically correct, but climbing and working off ladders IS high risk, and none of us are perfect, climbing ladders day after day, week after week and year after year, you WILL get those heart stopping moments, and for some the heart stops permanantly.
Mind how you go,
Ian
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Hi All,
I have just watched the News Night report and what the E.U is trying to achieve is a good idea and is basically common sense.
When I first bought my WFP I used it on every house and it took ages. Not so much the cleaning of the windows but getting it out the car taking it round the back etc etc, Now I evaluate each house and work place. First is the safety, Is it safe enough to use ladders? then the speed thing, If there are loads of top windows then out comes the WFP, an example of this, I cleaned a factory in Farnham, All top windows were done using the ladder BUT there was a couple which putting a ladder up was too dangerous so I drove the van round to the windows left the trolly in it and cleaned them with the pole.
So to me I think its a good idea with Safety being the key issue, they are also being very clever, They are putting the onus on the window cleaner.
Thanks
Paul
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What time was this on during the programme
I missed the live show and i cannot seem to find it on the play back
If I can find it i will edit it and post as last week
Lee
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I think they havent changed it over yet ,it looks like thursdats episode on there .
it was between 20 and 30 mins during the programme
dave
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Thanks Dave
I thought i was just going mad
If its changed over later i will pick it up and post the link again
Lee
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i will keep my eye on it ;)
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"And who better to judge the two methods than......
I dont know about you but i was expecting Roy castle to turn up.
And no bloody wonder the BBC's in such a state if their employing ex window cleaners.
Still it shows theirs hope for us all!
EWEN
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Hi All,
I have just watched the News Night report and what the E.U is trying to achieve is a good idea and is basically common sense.
When I first bought my WFP I used it on every house and it took ages. Not so much the cleaning of the windows but getting it out the car taking it round the back etc etc, Now I evaluate each house and work place. First is the safety, Is it safe enough to use ladders? then the speed thing, If there are loads of top windows then out comes the WFP, an example of this, I cleaned a factory in Farnham, All top windows were done using the ladder BUT there was a couple which putting a ladder up was too dangerous so I drove the van round to the windows left the trolly in it and cleaned them with the pole.
So to me I think its a good idea with Safety being the key issue, they are also being very clever, They are putting the onus on the window cleaner.
Thanks
Paul
Sensible post, in my opinion
Pj
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oh well
looks like I am not going to get to see this weeks programme. The BBC have not yet posted friday nights show.
Will have to take every ones word for it that it shed a better light on things
Lee
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We cannot bring you the latest edition of Newsnight owing to rights restictions.
You are watching the previous edition from Thurdsay 15 September.
You may see other images at first - that is to ensure the start of the programme is not missed by the automated playout system.
The programme is broadcast on BBC Two and live on this website weekdays at 2230 BST.
that is the statement on newsnight .what rights are they on about .is it the pictures of andrew lees staff ??????
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Hello,
For those who missed it, the window cleaning item is viewable on the BBC's website at the following link:
Click Here to Open The Stream
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi?redirect=fs.stm&news=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nol_storyid=4254988)
This is only the window cleaning item, so I guess that probably the "rights issue" was to do with one of the other items.
-Philip
PS for anyone wanting to download the item, eg using HiDownload, the URL that it is streamed from is:
mms://212.58.224.140/news/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da680026a08/bb/09012da680026aa3_16x9_bb.wmv
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Thanks Philip
this looks like a job for Solo
Dave
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Here you go Dave
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lee.overton2/newsnight.htm
File captured and posted at the above webpage.
Just right click and save file.
Ps is it raining your way already or are you just skiving today? ;D
Lee
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Solo
thanks again .
it is not raining ,i am convelessing at the moment ,recovering from my operation on thursday
dave
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Dave
Hope your doing well
Have these on me
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Lee
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Thanks a bunch !!!!!
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so did I cringe at the Record Breakers clip,could have used my clip at least back in 1995 ;Dnow that was cool ;D