Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: wcs. on August 22, 2010, 12:51:45 pm
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it dries much quicker and it dont half impress custies 8)
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I 2 don't see why people say that as well ::)
The problem with me is in the summer my tank gets very warm from the sun and with the hose on the pavement it warms the water up .... Its only luke warm but thats what most people that have hot systems have it anyway as any hotter then they run the risk of cracking glass..
and I see no difference in the cleaning ::) ............ But us cold systems have to remember is that fellow WC not suppliers but fellow WC say its better and because they have the system then they should know ;D
Adders
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Ewan, we don't answer this anymore.I'd prefer it if you all used cold.
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yeah me too
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does running hot water through a pump damage the pump
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Hot is better because ionics says so...what more of a reason do you need?
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thats good enough for me
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thats good enough for me
but your a danish scouser,not a great mix for common sense
and should be ignored at all costs ;D ;D
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After finally installing my heater last weekend (its been stood in the shed since january) i have spent the week using hot water about 50c. I have used it on windows facias and a conservatory roof.
On the facias and con roof the hot water was definately a big help with a flocked super light brush it easily removed most marks from the facias (just a few rust marks i had to remove by hand), On the con roof the green that usually takes loads of scrubbing did seem to come off alot easier.
Cleaning windows that are cleaned regularly with wfp with hot water did not seem to make that much difference apart from them drying much quicker, it was possibly slightly quicker on baked on bird poo but im not convinced it made a great deal of difference.
For the full week of work i used approx 15-18 litres of diesel so not cheap but i have not insulated the hot system yet and know i wasted alot of heat energy by heating the air in the back of my van.
Im glad i have the option of hot water now but i don't think i will use it all day every day. The biggest benifit i can see to hot is that the windows dry quicker allowing you more peace of mind when walking away from a job. However some windows that usually come up great with cold wfp did not with hot, i believe this to be caused by the bristles being softer and more flexable with the increased temperature and being able to work their way into gaps of the window frames that cold bristles would not reach and therefore disturbing prevously unseen and untouched dirt. Also heard a few creaks which i think seemed to come from the pvc expanding with the heat so was aware of not leaveing the hot water on certain windows for too long.
Tomorrow i plan to use cold water to see weather i find myself missing the hot as i can see my only really needing it to heat the tank during cold weather, and to clean first cleans ,facias and con roofs.
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thats good enough for me
but your a danish scouser,not a great mix for common sense
and should be ignored at all costs ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D you know me to well ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Ptwt
After finally installing my heater last weekend (its been stood in the shed since january) i have spent the week using hot water about 50c. I have used it on windows facias and a conservatory roof.
On the facias and con roof the hot water was definately a big help with a flocked super light brush it easily removed most marks from the facias (just a few rust marks i had to remove by hand), On the con roof the green that usually takes loads of scrubbing did seem to come off alot easier.
Cleaning windows that are cleaned regularly with wfp with hot water did not seem to make that much difference apart from them drying much quicker, it was possibly slightly quicker on baked on bird poo but im not convinced it made a great deal of difference.
For the full week of work i used approx 15-18 litres of diesel so not cheap but i have not insulated the hot system yet and know i wasted alot of heat energy by heating the air in the back of my van.
Im glad i have the option of hot water now but i don't think i will use it all day every day. The biggest benifit i can see to hot is that the windows dry quicker allowing you more peace of mind when walking away from a job. However some windows that usually come up great with cold wfp did not with hot, i believe this to be caused by the bristles being softer and more flexable with the increased temperature and being able to work their way into gaps of the window frames that cold bristles would not reach and therefore disturbing prevously unseen and untouched dirt. Also heard a few creaks which i think seemed to come from the pvc expanding with the heat so was aware of not leaveing the hot water on certain windows for too long.
Tomorrow i plan to use cold water to see weather i find myself missing the hot as i can see my only really needing it to heat the tank during cold weather, and to clean first cleans ,facias and con roofs.
Thanks for a very informative balanced perspective - I for one will look forward to your next post.
I do not have a hot system but have noted the experience of other posters on this subject. Some state that hot helps them work faster. I could probably agree that this is very feasible, but is it that they are 'scared' of cracking a customer's glass with hot and so spend less time on it, or does it cut through the dirt better is the question?
I once tried putting hot water from the boiler at home into our trolley and cleaned the front windows of our house. The windows definitely dried quicker, and despite a high tds of the water (254) the only spotting was at the bottom section of both windows where the rinse water took longer to evaporate. The top of the windows was totally spot free on both our downstairs windows. I found this experiment quite fascinating.
I am personally interested in warm water to help keep the hoses more supple in winter and hence easier to work with.
Hi Darren
does running hot water through a pump damage the pump
The Shurflo pump specs from Williamson say that a Shurflo pump will work with water up to a temperature of around 77 degrees C maximum.
Spruce
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Even below the max temp, hot water through a pump will shorten its lifespan.
My heater is fitted after the pump :)
I find hot better/quicker on maintenance cleans too, but a lot of my work is 8 weekly and there's cobwebs & spider spots to melt through.
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i met another windie today had a lovely ionics thermopure
system big 1000 litre tank
we started about the same time on the houses and he was no
quicker than me in fact he was slower the windows didnt dry
any quicker and the results wasnt as good as mine
then again im fussy :)
and the worst thing was he had tricoflex on his hose reel :o
anyway he was a nice chap and told him i would find out
which was the best hose to use for his hot water system
answers gratefully recieved :)
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I’m not questioning the better cleaning ability of warmer water itself. If you have the dishes to clean warm water and Fairy liquid is better than cold water alone.
Thats not what you tried to say a month ago.
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Ewan u must be smoking crack. Saying hot water takes longer To get a window clean that cold.
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i have known about hot water systems for a good few years now, but after many years of no problems with cold wfp, i thought why would i need to spend more money on a hot system, ok bird crap takes a bit longer to scrub of, thats about it, thats all the benefit i see hot water removing a bit quicker, also if it is below freezing point,i just dont work until it defrosts later during the day,
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Hot is brilliant for cobwebs & spider nests which you find on maintenance cleans on a daily basis.
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I know I won't convince you Ewan, but personally if I'm on a job & the gas runs out & I'm stuck with cold, I do find it slower & harder to clean, and I'm less confident in the results. The confidence it gives is enough for me,.. that alone makes it worth every penny.
Customers are impressed & being hot has won me the odd job too,...
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I think you have all missed the big answer. Ask the question again in another four to five months when your pipes are freezing and your brush has set solid.
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I think you have all missed the big answer. Ask the question again in another four to five months when your pipes are freezing and your brush has set solid.
It is an advantage,.. but not the ultimate solution.
While I did work a few days last winter where I wouldn't have been able to without heat,.. there is always the problem of water freezing on the ground. Putting salt down slowed me down, & I had to be careful what jobs I picked,.. but at least I earned something!
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i only had two days just before xmas when my pipes
froze and only lost 7 days over winter anyway so
no advantage again im afraid :)
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Hot water cleans better than cold. You might not need it to clean but prefer it.
If you use cold then ok but why do you have question hot water users?
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"I think you have all missed the big answer. Ask the question again in another four to five months when your pipes are freezing and your brush has set solid."
Thing is, a £12 aquarium heater off e-bay will keep you working for a fraction of the price, so cant really justify having a hot water system just for working when its freezing.
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All I have to say is HOT,HOT,HOT, ;) ;D
Oohh and go for Ionic thermo pure , we have had this system for more than 5 years, and its been great system to work with and still going.
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i met another windie today had a lovely ionics thermopure
system big 1000 litre tank
we started about the same time on the houses and he was no
quicker than me in fact he was slower the windows didnt dry
any quicker and the results wasnt as good as mine
then again im fussy :)
and the worst thing was he had tricoflex on his hose reel :o
anyway he was a nice chap and told him i would find out
which was the best hose to use for his hot water system
answers gratefully recieved :)
how do you know his windows did not dry any quicker than yours ?
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Yes, but detergent with hot water cleans better than hot water alone. So why don’t you use a detergent for maintenance cleans?
Maybe it’s because it doesn’t need.
You see the point I’m making, the original question is about your using heated water for maintenance cleans, why?
Some say with hot they work quicker and the windows dry quicker but you disagree; fair enough.
But are you now asking why not add detergent to hot water to be quicker still? Perhaps you should have included that in the title, if you wanted a better response to that bit. It maybe to do with the extra rinsing required but I can`t answer that.
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As for the colder days of the year having a system that prevents freezing is good, but that has nothing to do with cleaning the windows, just keeping the wfp system working.
It has everything to do with the OP, if you re-read it it says is hot better, if it keeps the sytem working in cold weather then yes of course its better. You are a box of frogs pal.
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i met another windie today had a lovely ionics thermopure
system big 1000 litre tank
we started about the same time on the houses and he was no
quicker than me in fact he was slower the windows didnt dry
any quicker and the results wasnt as good as mine
then again im fussy :)
and the worst thing was he had tricoflex on his hose reel :o
anyway he was a nice chap and told him i would find out
which was the best hose to use for his hot water system
answers gratefully recieved :)
how do you know his windows did not dry any quicker than yours ?
because i was stood there chatting to him for at least half hour :)
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As for the colder days of the year having a system that prevents freezing is good, but that has nothing to do with cleaning the windows, just keeping the wfp system working.
It has everything to do with the OP, if you re-read it it says is hot better, if it keeps the sytem working in cold weather then yes of course its better. You are a box of frogs pal.
bit irrelevant anyway isnt it..i mean i could be wrong but doesnt
hot water freeze quicker than cold something to do with supercooling
of the molecules or something.
if true your system would be lovely and hot but wouldnt it
be a total waste of time by the time it hits the glass ???
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bit irrelevant anyway isnt it..i mean i could be wrong but doesnt
hot water freeze quicker than cold something to do with supercooling
of the molecules or something.
if true your system would be lovely and hot but wouldnt it
be a total waste of time by the time it hits the glass ???
In some specific conditions hot will freeze quicker,.. these conditions aren't found in window cleaning.
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bit irrelevant anyway isnt it..i mean i could be wrong but doesnt
hot water freeze quicker than cold something to do with supercooling
of the molecules or something.
if true your system would be lovely and hot but wouldnt it
be a total waste of time by the time it hits the glass ???
In some specific conditions hot will freeze quicker,.. these conditions aren't found in window cleaning.
did a bit of googling and apparently because of the supercooling
when the water hits freezing air it can freeze almost instantly
why wouldnt that happen in window cleaning ??? not trying
to be a pain just curious :)
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Using the system on the few days of the year when it’s to cold to clean, is not what the thread is about.
Apart from Nathanael mentioning it’s good to get rid of cobwebs & spider’s nest, which you can still do with a cold system. Are there no other reasons to use heated system on regular window clean?
mind your business im asking a question! ;D ;D
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I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Safe to say that hot water is no better than cold water for cleaning windows, due to the fact that as soon as hot water hits cold air it becomes cold anyway.
And as far as I am concerned hot water systems are less fuel efficient and so it makes them less environmentally friendly. :-\
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Warm water claens better , its a fact.
but i dont need it to make windows cleaner.
From a squeegie, to a pole spirting pure water...
Thats good enough for me !
Stop bloody complicating things.
Christ.!
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Safe to say that hot water is no better than cold water for cleaning windows, due to the fact that as soon as hot water hits cold air it becomes cold anyway.
Are you sure about that?
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did a bit of googling and apparently because of the supercooling
when the water hits freezing air it can freeze almost instantly
why wouldnt that happen in window cleaning ??? not trying
to be a pain just curious :)
I thought the external temp had to be below -20 and the water in a very tall thin container?
All I can say is that in my experience the water has never flash frozen on me!!
Fuel efficiency is something to think on,.. you do burn more fuel, but personally I find I complete more work,.. does that even things out?
As for the hot water getting cold as soon as it hits the air,.. thats just rubbish because I can see the steam on the windows, so the glass is defo getting warm!!
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did a bit of googling and apparently because of the supercooling
when the water hits freezing air it can freeze almost instantly
why wouldnt that happen in window cleaning ??? not trying
to be a pain just curious :)
I thought the external temp had to be below -20 and the water in a very tall thin container?
All I can say is that in my experience the water has never flash frozen on me!!
Fuel efficiency is something to think on,.. you do burn more fuel, but personally I find I complete more work,.. does that even things out?
As for the hot water getting cold as soon as it hits the air,.. thats just rubbish because I can see the steam on the windows, so the glass is defo getting warm!!
cheers for answer was just curious :)