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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Steven Shoreditch on August 12, 2010, 07:20:54 am
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200505833398&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_500wt_1154
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Theres one on gumtree for sale £4000 in glasgow
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Are they really £13.500 new?
I bet this guy didn't buy it new.
But he says it's as new.
Then he says it's made 40,000 litres of pure!
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no they r not pal, its 12k brand new i just had home visit last week, and thats a hot wash too, i offerd him 4 k cash he refused, he wants five k
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Hi, what size van would be needed for the system? Thanks Matt
A: Hi Matt Transit Connect, Peugeot Expert, Citroen Despatch etc Simon
how small is his van? if this is too big for it
sounds like a startup who realised wc isnt for him
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And then you need to pay for fitting.
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I think that's why ionics don't advertise them in the latest brochure. I'm told they didn't sell that well. Darren you worked for ionics why did you move to face lift?
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Thanks Darren good to talk to you the other day.
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Darran, if you sold it on for £3100 with all those problems that even you couldn't fix it, sounds like the poor guy was ripped off. (No offense intended).
He in turn is trying to rip us off.
Too much ripping off seems to be going on here.
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welcome to the world of wondow cleaning ;D
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Fair play - what fascinating replies, esp Darran, thanks.
Steer clear chaps is the message.
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I sold it cheap - so it could be repaired ;D
Point is Darran £3100 is not cheap to most of us.
If you could not fix it with your knowledge of designing and installing systems how could it be worth anyone elses time or money to do so when they lack your level of expertise?
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so you couldn't fix it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Therefore the current seller can't fix it, and unlikely that anyone else will.
Sheesh, eBay!
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christ talk about over complicating a job make any wonder a lot of lads cant be arsed changing from trad to wfp . some will actually believe they need all that rubbish to produce water
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now that poor guy got you ripoff good how sad that we are all window cleaner on here and we should help out ever 1 not con them out of 3100£ that a hell of a lot of money pure cold on you
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and the original buyer ,the bulgarian , he too got ripped by the sounds of it paying for a machine to get fixed but it wasnt. very unethical all round
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there's a lot of rip off merchants on here!! >:(
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Yeah, look at how much some windys expect to be paid for cleaning a sheet of glass, for example. ::)
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It'd be dead easy to fix,.. replace the Ionics resin cartridge with a standard DI & disable the RO-bak function,.. sorted!
At that price, even with problems its not a bad deal for what it is.
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£3100 for a dodgy system. I'd want a fully working system with all the trimmings for that amount
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It'd be dead easy to fix,.. replace the Ionics resin cartridge with a standard DI & disable the RO-bak function,.. sorted!
At that price, even with problems its not a bad deal for what it is.
If you read Darranvps posts he has had several goes at fixing it without success and if he is to be believed has an in depth knowledge of wfp systems e.g. desingning system for Facelift.
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It is only a rip off if the seller didn't tell the buyer about the problems with the equipment, it is up to the buyer to use his own judgement as to whether the equipment is value for money.
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To that end I think we can all see that's not worth £3100 let alone £5k.
If anyone does buy it, can you please post the experience here?
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My system, poles, van and all equipment didnt cost £3100 :o
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Its been relisted at a more reasonable price guys.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508294323#ht_500wt_1154 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508294323#ht_500wt_1154)
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I noticed this on ebay and was very tempted until I have just read Darrens comments on here.
We have two Ionics systems, a Pro6 650ltr Thermopure and a Pro5 650ltr cold system, both bought second hand with vans.
The only problems I have ever had with them is one of the level sensors went off, £22 to replace and a pump had to be replaced on the cold system (£100 ish).
The Ionics DI cannisters last us around 6 months at a water reading of 280ppm in our area.
The Thermopure is a tremendous system and I would buy another without blinking if the price was right and it was all in good condition and working order.
Guess I may give this one a miss! Cheers for your honest comments Darren, did you con him out of £3100 or not, probably not as it's a good set up and the Pro7 filter should be able to be bypassed to turn it into a standard Pro5 Thermopure
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Its been relisted at a more reasonable price guys.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508294323#ht_500wt_1154 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508294323#ht_500wt_1154)
yes but its listed as fully working and no problems and recently serviced by Ionics, thats what you call a deliberate con as the guy knows it needs a fair bit of money spent on it to get it working normal again.
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I sold it to him for 3100 pounds just over a week ago.
It has problems so be careful, it will need a lot of cash spending on it to get it right.
It automatically backwashes the RO - but it doesn't work.
Each day we used it we had a problem with it, battery not charging, hoses bursting, DI RESIN NEEDS CHANGING EVERYTIME YOU FILL - and they cost about 90 pounds!
Buyer beware unless you want to spend a lot on it, and be prepared to onsite fix it EVEYTIME you use it.
So i take it this is the item you were selling Darranvps?
I cant see any details there of how the system has problems,quite the opposite in fact.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=105323.0#msg897904
Yes indeed buyer beware ::)
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So this system really had been doing the rounds!
Ian Roch - what's a 'Pro5'? IS that like a cold version of the Pro7?
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So this system really had been doing the rounds!
Ian Roch - what's a 'Pro5'? IS that like a cold version of the Pro7?
the pro 5 for me is the best system and certainly most popular system made by Ionics, I have the pro 5 thermapure and it is a really good system, the pro 7 is supposed to be zero RO but thats where the problems start.
I bought mine after speaking to a window cleaning contracter from the midlands who had 2 pro 5s and a pro7 but told me to get the pro5 as they where having problems with their pro 7 and were gonna sell it and get another pro 5
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I see.
So this one on ebay MIGHT be worth something, just not as a Pro7?
I think I know the answer to that one! I doubt the seller will want to admit that it's got problems, even if it was good as a Pro5 only.
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I can understand why the Pro7 uses a lot more resin,.. the RO-Bak filter can't be very effective and probably pours a huge TDS back into the membrane. As suggested, turning it into a pro 5 would prob be the perfect solution.
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Hi Guys
I am the buyer and thought I had better defend myself.
This is the original advert from window cleaning resources:
Posted on 26/07/10
Region: South East England
Condition: Used
Product: Water Fed Pole Equipment
Description: Ionics Pro-7 Thermopure 400 litre system. 3 years old Serviced by Ionics in March 2010 Excellent condition, we are selling due to upgrading to a 1000 litre system. Best offer over 3,500 pounds
Price : £3,500
Contact Details : Darran Smith - 07766 243171 - [Send Email]
Now Darren:
Please define "excellent condition"
As you can see from Daniel Worgans post he was annoyed he didn't get £4200!
Now I'm not technical person. I have an Escort 55 with a pure20 250L cold system and thought this would be a chance to upgrade.
I bought it in good faith from a person who now freely and publicly admits it was faulty.
My van fit exactly in the space in front of the garage so when I saw how big this thing was and I would need a significantly bigger van, that I would have to park in the road outside a neighbours house I decided to sell it.
I would not have put it on ebay at that price had I been told the truth.
I am an honest principled person.
I am therefore changing the description to reflect the facts and reducing the price.
I know most of you guys are fair minded so ask yourself "Who is the victim here?
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why not just get your money back of Darren ? if he said it was in excellent condition and sold it to you on that basis then you have a right to your money back
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i e mailed him and said il give him 4 k cash, glad i never now, din u c it working forst budor what??
how much u want for it , il be happy for some spares only, ring me, 07891104494, intrested
cheers
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It would be nice to have that in English...
Fair play to the current seller coming on here and explaining his side of the story.
And Prolly say good luck and hope you can sell it. Why not replace your existing van system?
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Hi Guys
I'm back. Now I have the facts I have relisted with an honest description and even a link to this discussion. The price is £2995.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508517649&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_922
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thats a fantastic gesture and a fantastic price even for a system that needs a lot doing to it, however I still feel that Darren should take it back from you and return your £3,100
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thats a fantastic gesture and a fantastic price even for a system that needs a lot doing to it, however I still feel that Darren should take it back from you and return your £3,100
Or else it's the most cynical Sale of the Century and you're a mug for suggesting otherwise.
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Who's the cynic here?
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I wonder if Ionics have have got in touch with all the people and offered some compensation because of this design fault ::)
Or did they just offer another system and get more money off the people that have already spent thousands on their systems ::)
I hope you get your money back pristinewindows
Adders
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I don't mean to flog a dead horse but you wrote, It has problems so be careful, it will need a lot of cash spending on it to get it right.
What does that mean then.
Lee
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To Darren / Pristine Windows .... Just a suggestion as this is going the way of "he said / they said / he said" perhaps SSWC should lock the thread and sort it out offline in the real world ??
Just my opinion lads ? :-\
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It's not on eBay anymore.
Check it:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508517649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1154 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200508517649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1154)
And I too would like to see an answer from Darran, TBH.
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OK Jokes over
I have been offline for a few days and things seem to be getting out of hand.
The system does work OK - I was peed off at you for saying that you really wanted it and then tried to sell it and make a huge profit
Simon have you even tried it yet?
All you need do is plug it into the mains water and mains electric and you will see for yourself it works perfectly.
Take it to Ionics and get them to check it over, if anything - (other than posible damage in transit) - is wrong with it I will recompensate you for any repairs they have to make, this does not count filters,(which should all be fine) but any other part etc
You cant advertise the system as a sound system in good working order,and then once sold tell people not to buy it because it needs a lot of work to get it up to scratch,and then go back again and say the system is a good system in full working order???
Whats all that about then?
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OK Jokes over
I have been offline for a few days and things seem to be getting out of hand.
The system does work OK - I was peed off at you for saying that you really wanted it and then tried to sell it and make a huge profit
Simon have you even tried it yet?
All you need do is plug it into the mains water and mains electric and you will see for yourself it works perfectly.
Take it to Ionics and get them to check it over, if anything - (other than posible damage in transit) - is wrong with it I will recompensate you for any repairs they have to make, this does not count filters,(which should all be fine) but any other part etc
You cant advertise the system as a sound system in good working order,and then once sold tell people not to buy it because it needs a lot of work to get it up to scratch,and then go back again and say the system is a good system in full working order???
Whats all that about then?
I can if I want :D
Don't look too good on you Darran.
How do you explain your advert?
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he's joking, and it is quite funny.The stuff about bulgaria was brilliant.