Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Darranvps on August 07, 2010, 10:36:08 am
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I had a new facelift 1000 ltr twin RO fitted yesterday!
When we drove it back from their depot last night, we immeadiately began to fill it up, ready for work Today.
You can imagine my horror when I started filling it, the waste water pipe exploded off giving me, the Van and Dobson a shower! That was at 9.30 pm. So I went to bed p***ed off!
I woke early this morning to investigate and found out I only needed to add another jubilee clamp (good job I had some ;D) tighten it up and fill up. After filling for an hour or two I set off to do a small factory near home.
Set up the hose, got the pole ready, switched on the pump and BANG! the hose that goes into the DI tank hadn't been tightened properly and I recieved a lovely cold jet of water right in the face!
Anyway I tightened it up and got going.
After looking the system over I can see I have plenty of things to tighten up properly. Seems they are all the same no matter who makes them! (Ionics too!)
So what have I learnt.......
Next time, just build my bloody own and forget these lot who "think" that they can manufacture a good system.
I will have to reconfigure where the DI Tanks, pumps and flow controllers are situated - Crazy!
As anybody else had these problems.
I also want to find out if anybody has got one of there hot water add on thingys - is it any good?
Do you know where they get them from- what make etc are they?
It would be better if I buy directly and get Dobson to fit one for me......
Enough moaning I'm going to get ready and go out on the beer......
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i once watch gardiners fit a system and it leak and to fair to alex he stripped it all out to tighten a clip that was in the middle of it all, took him most of the day
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I bought an Ionics pro-5 4 1/2 years ago and when I got home in leaked like a colinder! I luckily I dont live too far away so I could drop it back.
Have to say, I haven't had much problems since. Its still going strong.
Adie
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I also want to find out if anybody has got one of there hot water add on thingys - is it any good?
Do you know where they get them from- what make etc are they?
alrite darren when i went to facelift russell told me he just got the pdf off the internet of ionics thermopure system and learnt how to build one himself
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can you beelev that a mane who sade ionci all the way now slaging them 8) 8)
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I also want to find out if anybody has got one of there hot water add on thingys - is it any good?
Do you know where they get them from- what make etc are they?
alrite darren when i went to facelift russell told me he just got the pdf off the internet of ionics thermopure system and learnt how to build one himself
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Their hot water system is totally different.
Ionics use a Webasto Setup
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Why would you have a Facelift system fitted when you are so into Ionics ?
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Got to keep tabs on the competition somehow. I bet they've got Gardiners poles in the workshop and vice versa.
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It does not add up
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He might have experienced the Third rate customer service provided by them.
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I had a new facelift 1000 ltr twin RO fitted yesterday!
When we drove it back from their depot last night, we immeadiately began to fill it up, ready for work Today.
You can imagine my horror when I started filling it, the waste water pipe exploded off giving me, the Van and Dobson a shower! That was at 9.30 pm. So I went to bed p***ed off!
I woke early this morning to investigate and found out I only needed to add another jubilee clamp (good job I had some ;D) tighten it up and fill up. After filling for an hour or two I set off to do a small factory near home.
Set up the hose, got the pole ready, switched on the pump and BANG! the hose that goes into the DI tank hadn't been tightened properly and I recieved a lovely cold jet of water right in the face!
Anyway I tightened it up and got going.
After looking the system over I can see I have plenty of things to tighten up properly. Seems they are all the same no matter who makes them! (Ionics too!)
So what have I learnt.......
Next time, just build my bloody own and forget these lot who "think" that they can manufacture a good system.
I will have to reconfigure where the DI Tanks, pumps and flow controllers are situated - Crazy!
As anybody else had these problems.
I also want to find out if anybody has got one of there hot water add on thingys - is it any good?
Do you know where they get them from- what make etc are they?
It would be better if I buy directly and get Dobson to fit one for me......
Enough moaning I'm going to get ready and go out on the beer......
Poor Dobson :'(.
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I had a new facelift 1000 ltr twin RO fitted yesterday!
When we drove it back from their depot last night, we immeadiately began to fill it up, ready for work Today.
You can imagine my horror when I started filling it, the waste water pipe exploded off giving me, the Van and Dobson a shower! That was at 9.30 pm. So I went to bed p***ed off!
I woke early this morning to investigate and found out I only needed to add another jubilee clamp (good job I had some ;D) tighten it up and fill up. After filling for an hour or two I set off to do a small factory near home.
Set up the hose, got the pole ready, switched on the pump and BANG! the hose that goes into the DI tank hadn't been tightened properly and I recieved a lovely cold jet of water right in the face!
Anyway I tightened it up and got going.
After looking the system over I can see I have plenty of things to tighten up properly. Seems they are all the same no matter who makes them! (Ionics too!)
So what have I learnt.......
Next time, just build my bloody own and forget these lot who "think" that they can manufacture a good system.
I will have to reconfigure where the DI Tanks, pumps and flow controllers are situated - Crazy!
As anybody else had these problems.
I also want to find out if anybody has got one of there hot water add on thingys - is it any good?
Do you know where they get them from- what make etc are they?
It would be better if I buy directly and get Dobson to fit one for me......
Enough moaning I'm going to get ready and go out on the beer......
Isn't this the same bloke who was very rude about people who build their own systems.
Stating that people who built their own were probably dole cheats who only earnt enough money to keep them in the pub. Very satisfying to read this comment.
;D
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I used to make my own systems back in 2002 ish?
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Why would you have a Facelift system fitted when you are so into Ionics ?
Can't I switch and try different systems?
Maybe you have assumed I am so into Ionics because I haven't slated them.
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He might have experienced the Third rate customer service provided by them.
I experienced it long ago!
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What system was it before (pre 1000l) what van is it in and how many men do you intend to use it?
I'd love 1000l but had to settle for 800l because of size of van required to fit on my drive (I have mwb tranny on it already).
The people who fitted mine are the best in the business- denver tanks-.
I used to be DIY,(I wasn't very good at it), far less down time now.But..... just as you were able to quickly fix and amend your system because you probably have more knowledge than the fitters, three years of my DIY gave me the know how to tell the pros how a perfect domestic system should be fitted.
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What system was it before (pre 1000l) what van is it in and how many men do you intend to use it?
I'd love 1000l but had to settle for 800l because of size of van required to fit on my drive (I have mwb tranny on it already).
The people who fitted mine are the best in the business- denver tanks-.
I used to be DIY,(I wasn't very good at it), far less down time now.But..... just as you were able to quickly fix and amend your system because you probably have more knowledge than the fitters, three years of my DIY gave me the know how to tell the pros how a perfect domestic system should be fitted.
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You will have to give me the contact details for Denver Tanks.
My van is a Puegeot Boxer MWB - High Roof.
I had a 400 litre Pro-7 Thermopure in it before I had the 1000 litre system fitted.
I think that some of the systems would be better off with a tank - fitted and instead of the components fitted to the tank - such as filters, battery, pumps, controllers etc, they are better off elsewhere in the van - thus saving valuable space, etc.
We are going to move some bits about a bit, and put them into convenient places so as to make it easier to use etc
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Always made my own systems, least i know everything is done properly.
Its not that hard, tank, pure water in, battery pump reel hose and a few connectors in between ;D
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So did we sensai,
I have two feeds from the tank.One goes to a heater and splits to two reels with seperate pumps varistreams (and 110 ah batteries).The other goes to a third pump varistream, which is either for a third operator or a quick fix in the event of problems.
I have two back to tank tap feeds.This helps depressurise overnight, diagnose system faults without going to the pole tap, and if reels are frozen the hot water will defreeze them in a few minutes by pressuring up and down a few times.
My reels are roof mounted, your van would be too big for this, but i bet there is an equally elegant solution.I want one of these vans in the future, the fiat version, and will no doubt come up with something.
Denvers number is 01604 875075
Heres a glimpse of my syste
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Wheres the pic?
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I love the hose reel - re winder. Fantastic!
I once fit a similar blue 1100ltr tank to a Merc Sprinter back in 2003.
We mounted Twin RO setup onto the bulk head, twin pumps down the side of the van, all fitted up with John Guest fittings etc.
How are you producing hot water?
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I use a lpg heater.
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What system was it before (pre 1000l) what van is it in and how many men do you intend to use it?
I'd love 1000l but had to settle for 800l because of size of van required to fit on my drive (I have mwb tranny on it already).
The people who fitted mine are the best in the business- denver tanks-.
I used to be DIY,(I wasn't very good at it), far less down time now.But..... just as you were able to quickly fix and amend your system because you probably have more knowledge than the fitters, three years of my DIY gave me the know how to tell the pros how a perfect domestic system should be fitted.
Apart from the tank, what else is pro' made/fitted which equates to less down time?
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It's just opinions, but all of the diy people i know that have gone pro think it's better.If you are really, really, good, with an engineering background there is probably not much in it.But even a top engineer hasn't got our knowledge(gained by dropping b@@@cks) of whats needed.
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Well this was my DIY attempt...couldnt fault it
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As said, any probs i knew what it was and could fix it the same day as most of the stuff was bought locally
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It certainly looks the part
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Very tidy.
If you did it again there are probably a couple of things you would do differently, and even that version could be improved on later.It's a process of development and this depends on how interested you are in either a system that gets the job done or the perfect system.
My idea of a perfect system is a big van with three operators and not a second wasted, but i don't expect that matches yours.
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I forgot to mention i've got drawers for trad tools and roof stowage for ladders.
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It's just opinions, but all of the diy people i know that have gone pro think it's better.If you are really, really, good, with an engineering background there is probably not much in it.But even a top engineer hasn't got our knowledge(gained by dropping b@@@cks) of whats needed.
Most of that would be "buyer justification syndrome"
I think you're wrong, you don't need to be an engineer to make a superb/perfect DIY system. Can you explain why a pro' installed tank makes you work quicker?
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He might have experienced the Third rate customer service provided by them.
I experienced it long ago!
A Short While ago you were singing and dancing about ionics, The only system to own etc. You used to sell them and Knew how good they were.
Yet you have experienced the Third rate customer service a long time ago
???
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He might have experienced the Third rate customer service provided by them.
I experienced it long ago!
A Short While ago you were singing and dancing about ionics, The only system to own etc. You used to sell them and Knew how good they were.
Yet you have experienced the Third rate customer service a long time ago
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Looks like I am not alone in noticing your inconsistent postings. ;D
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It's just opinions, but all of the diy people i know that have gone pro think it's better.If you are really, really, good, with an engineering background there is probably not much in it.But even a top engineer hasn't got our knowledge(gained by dropping b@@@cks) of whats needed.
Most of that would be "buyer justification syndrome"
I think you're wrong, you don't need to be an engineer to make a superb/perfect DIY system. Can you explain why a pro' installed tank makes you work quicker?
I actually enjoy fittng my own vehicles, it's not complex.
Apparently if DarrenVPL (visible panty line) builds a system that clever, but he thinks if someone else does it they are a peasant, fool. You are part of the reason I stopped visiting this forum. I popped my head round the door again as it were, and have just reminded myself what a waste of time this is. I'm off
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Firstly i often make inconsistent posts, so what, he's not in a court of law.
Now the person who asked about pro systems.It's a matter of my system being better than yours by increments, small details in themselvee but lots of things that add up.
My tank only runs out when it's empty- it is unaffected when low by slopes
I have Back to tank pressure relief feeds- lots of benefits with that
I have two feeds(with taps) from the tank.Nearly everything has a tap on it.
I have roof mounted reels because it makes the work faster
I have three pumps
lots of kit is stowed in a very small van
I work with side doors open and it looks good to clients
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Firstly i often make inconsistent posts, so what, he's not in a court of law.
Now the person who asked about pro systems.It's a matter of my system being better than yours by increments, small details in themselvee but lots of things that add up.
My tank only runs out when it's empty- it is unaffected when low by slopes you have an extra 20 ltrs then
I have Back to tank pressure relief feeds- lots of benefits with that so do I, quick diy job
I have two feeds(with taps) from the tank.Nearly everything has a tap on it. Another very simple diy job
I have roof mounted reels because it makes the work faster Can't see how?
I have three pumps Anyone can add pumps, I could have 10!
lots of kit is stowed in a very small van So have most people
I work with side doors open and it looks good to clients Anyone with side doors can do the same, 99% of customers aren't the slightest bit interested anyway
There's nothing special there though slumpbuster, unless I'm more clever than I realise? Apart from your diy electric reels & a skid tank it's all run of the mill. I'm not being funny but struggling to see where the killer punch is?
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It's just opinions, but all of the diy people i know that have gone pro think it's better.If you are really, really, good, with an engineering background there is probably not much in it.But even a top engineer hasn't got our knowledge(gained by dropping b@@@cks) of whats needed.
Most of that would be "buyer justification syndrome"
I think you're wrong, you don't need to be an engineer to make a superb/perfect DIY system. Can you explain why a pro' installed tank makes you work quicker?
I actually enjoy fittng my own vehicles, it's not complex.
Apparently if DarrenVPL (visible panty line) builds a system that clever, but he thinks if someone else does it they are a peasant, fool. You are part of the reason I stopped visiting this forum. I popped my head round the door again as it were, and have just reminded myself what a waste of time this is. I'm off
This is Why the another place.co.uk is growing.
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Firstly i often make inconsistent posts, so what, he's not in a court of law.
Now the person who asked about pro systems.It's a matter of my system being better than yours by increments, small details in themselvee but lots of things that add up.
My tank only runs out when it's empty- it is unaffected when low by slopes you have an extra 20 ltrs then
I have Back to tank pressure relief feeds- lots of benefits with that so do I, quick diy job
I have two feeds(with taps) from the tank.Nearly everything has a tap on it. Another very simple diy job
I have roof mounted reels because it makes the work faster Can't see how?
I have three pumps Anyone can add pumps, I could have 10!
lots of kit is stowed in a very small van So have most people
I work with side doors open and it looks good to clients Anyone with side doors can do the same, 99% of customers aren't the slightest bit interested anyway
There's nothing special there though slumpbuster, unless I'm more clever than I realise? Apart from your diy electric reels & a skid tank it's all run of the mill. I'm not being funny but struggling to see where the killer punch is?
There is no killer punch it's slightly better in every aspect.You can't have more than two pumps off one feed.When i say lots of kit in a small van i mean loads and loads more kit than you've got in yours. ;D
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I'm only joking.Parts like the stowage are still diy but the ideas have to come from somewhere.If Ionics saw mine they'd bin theirs and ramp the prices up to reflect the added value.
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Firstly i often make inconsistent posts, so what, he's not in a court of law.
Now the person who asked about pro systems.It's a matter of my system being better than yours by increments, small details in themselvee but lots of things that add up.
My tank only runs out when it's empty- it is unaffected when low by slopes you have an extra 20 ltrs then
I have Back to tank pressure relief feeds- lots of benefits with that so do I, quick diy job
I have two feeds(with taps) from the tank.Nearly everything has a tap on it. Another very simple diy job
I have roof mounted reels because it makes the work faster Can't see how?
I have three pumps Anyone can add pumps, I could have 10!
lots of kit is stowed in a very small van So have most people
I work with side doors open and it looks good to clients Anyone with side doors can do the same, 99% of customers aren't the slightest bit interested anyway
There's nothing special there though slumpbuster, unless I'm more clever than I realise? Apart from your diy electric reels & a skid tank it's all run of the mill. I'm not being funny but struggling to see where the killer punch is?
There is no killer punch it's slightly better in every aspect.You can't have more than two pumps off one feed.When i say lots of kit in a small van i mean loads and loads more kit than you've got in yours. ;D
And that's the point, yours has come at a considerable cost, financial outlay for what it seems is largely the same as a decent total diy set up! ;)
Depends how you view/appreciate necessary expenditure I suppose.
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By way, i dont think my 2 man DI setup came to much more than £1000 all in.
I just dont see how these compaines are charging so much, or why you pay them. Yeh ok fair enough some people aint got a clue where to start and theyre out to make money. But as i said...its realy not that hard!
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By way, i dont think my 2 man DI setup came to much more than £1000 all in.
I just dont see how these compaines are charging so much, or why you pay them. Yeh ok fair enough some people aint got a clue where to start and theyre out to make money. But as i said...its realy not that hard!
it makes some peoples head spin right round ;)
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It must do dude, my head would certainly be spinning right round if i bought a Ionics system that does exactly same job as mine
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I think sometimes its the hassle as well. i have fitted my own systems before as they were so much cheaper than installs. but after getting a pure freedom fitted this time around i wouldn't fit my own system again. for the extra 300 quid it cost me to have it fitted as opposed to buying it all in seperates. its a no brainer for me
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I must admit, Pure Freedom do have it pretty much nailed, nice pirce nice systems.
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slumpy so you work with side doors open?are your clients/custies impressed?
i must admit quite a few of mine have been impressed by my 50L freedom trolley! ;) ;D ;D ;D
a lot of my custies are seeing the benefits of me using wfp second time round!(less spotting or none at all!!)
im like a "new age" modern day window cleaner compared to a lot of the other windys near me!most are not even slightly interested in wfp and are sticking with the ladders!! ::) ;D ;D ;D
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You've been through the trad versus wfp, now you are meeting pro V Diy.
This is what you will do Dazmond.You will buy a van that is too small, with a system that isn't big enough, then you will uprgrade.Then you will decide you need a two man op and upgrade again.
This will cost you money and time.
From what the others say freedom seems a good choice.Spend money to make money.