Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: james44 on August 07, 2010, 02:50:59 am
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Why are people so against uk commercial cleaning!
I say fair play to them, for anybody who have a vision as to where they want to be and they are getting there good luck to them,
who would not like to be were they are, opening up depots all over britain and having the backing of a dragon, i know i would but some seem to sneer at the mention of them why?
all you seem to see on this forum is that they wont do this/ that how can they make this and that pay, hell if you are all that good then why is it them and not you opening up depots across britain.
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they wont last 2 minutes unless they do dial a clean :D
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they wont last 2 minutes unless they do dial a clean :D
maybe you should give Duncan a call and tell him he's made a big mistake investing in them :D
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I'm starting to think James you hve some thing to do with them your always going on about them?
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there is nothing wrong with UKCC give it ten years they will have franchises all over the country and most of the commercial work tied up, and the ones they do sub out wll be crap pay as i know they are cheap to start with they charge something like 50p a window
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Whats the reason behind this post, is there a reply on another thread about them that ive missed ???
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they have just got 350 BUPA hospitals
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Good luck to them I say.
They will soon get big enough to sell up and go sit down and enjoy the sun somewhere...........
We will be still plodding along dreaming........
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They are a disease. ;)
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they have just got 350 BUPA hospitals
i had an idea it was them. if thats the case then i really hope they come on this site now and again
becouse i wish you and that slimey scotsman all the bad luck in the world.
as for you lot who post on here about how they deserve a pat on the back
how much work have they taken from you by undercutting.
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its not undercutting, we cant blame uk commercial. bupa put out to tender and there were 3 nationals who were shortlisted.
next time it could be uk commercial who get 'undercut', such is the way of tenders.
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its not undercutting, we cant blame uk commercial. bupa put out to tender and there were 3 nationals who were shortlisted.
next time it could be uk commercial who get 'undercut', such is the way of tenders.
lets be honest i cant see that happening with duncan in charge, the deal was probably done on the golf course months ago
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its not undercutting, we cant blame uk commercial. bupa put out to tender and there were 3 nationals who were shortlisted.
next time it could be uk commercial who get 'undercut', such is the way of tenders.
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ok fair enough, not what im hearing from the managers where ive lost the work.
you can understand how anyone would react when you have to lay someone
off. but on the other at £60 a building across the board there welcome.
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Some people are just jealous of success and hate the fact they are still stuck where they are. I suppose that is human nature.
Personally Im not jealous but I am envious of them. Good luck to them and fair play for having the balls. They are a company to look upto and alot can be learnt from them, so those of you that 'dislike' them for what they have achieved, turn it around and look at how you can learn from them. Don't waste your energy on negative thoughts!
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They are welcome to the chain, houshold name contracts. Let the big boys fight over them & continue to hammer the value of their work down! ;)
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its not undercutting, we cant blame uk commercial. bupa put out to tender and there were 3 nationals who were shortlisted.
next time it could be uk commercial who get 'undercut', such is the way of tenders.
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ok fair enough, not what im hearing from the managers where ive lost the work.
you can understand how anyone would react when you have to lay someone
off. but on the other at £60 a building across the board there welcome.
sorry to hear about the lay off.
how do you know it's £60 a home?
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/www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2010/07/25/dragon-slayer-tony-earnshaw-driven-by-ferrari-fantasy-79310-26920075/
This is why i say good luck to them!
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EZ i had been cleaning for them for the past 5 years. i guess most will hear different and so on.
but £60 each + exp is what im being told. anyway well go out get some more
my man will have his job back in a couple of weeks.
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The only problem that I might have with such companies is the tendency to "bump" work.
It can be irritating to quote for work or to lose work to companies that miss windows while regarding that as part of normal service. Also, some of the seemingly less critical H & S stuff may be skimped or left out completely.
I do clean all the windows for which I quote (if that's not possible for some reason then I tell them) and I do try to carry out H & S stuff in a responsible manner. Additionally I make a decent effort to scrub and rinse properly (particularly on lower frequency work) which can make me a bit slower than some.
I'm not saying that UK Commercial Cleaning either bump work or skimp on H & S. I just don't know enough about them to say such a thing. However, I do know that it happens quite a bit in our industry.
I have some larger jobs where I could reduce the price and do them in less time. However, I wouldn't want to put my name to such work. Nor would I wish to skimp on the 10- 15 minutes it sometimes takes to try making trailing hoses etc safe for the public. Obviously you can't cover everything. I've even had someone walk into me while I was cleaning a shop front because they were walking along playing with their mobile. I've also had someone trip over a warning sign. However, you have to try to be responsible and that can add time to a job.
I doubt that I have too much work that the big boys would be interested in but there are some jobs that might catch their eye.
So long as they don't bump work or skimp on H & S, then good luck to them. That's business.
If you employ a load of people it can be possible to provide the service more cheaply than a sole trader because the margin on an individual job is far less directly connected to the wages of the boss. The boss only needs a small margin on each job to live well from them. I suppose it's a bit like the corner shop versus Tescos. However, the quality of the service can suffer badly if adequate controls are not in place.
Currently I prefer to do all the work myself to ensure, as well as I can, that I give a decent service and earn OK from it. That may not always be my business model but for now, it's the one that is best suited for me.
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its easy to say you have no problem with them until you start loosing work because they put in a quote that is silly and bringing our average hourly rate down. ready lost one gym to them. like ocs ect, the have no interest in the customer or cleaning windows, they are just paid workers regardless.not good for our industry at all in my opinion
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yep i posted on here a few weeks back i hate that greed thing as he seid on the den [i could have carried on earning £5000 a month but i want more] :o i hope they crash and burn so to speak.
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its easy to say you have no problem with them until you start loosing work because they put in a quote that is silly and bringing our average hourly rate down. ready lost one gym to them. like ocs ect, the have no interest in the customer or cleaning windows, they are just paid workers regardless.not good for our industry at all in my opinion
Well I did qualify it regarding standard of service, quality of work etc.
Unfortunately some companies just don't care if the window cleaner brushes off the sills, scrubs the framework when necessary, skips half the windows every other visit etc. They just look at the price.
Personally, I offer better than that and it sounds like you do too. I've found that giving the proper service does pay off in the longer term but it sometimes costs work on the way to getting there.
I bet you replace the lost work with better work within a year. It may not be just one job but could be a number of smaller ones.
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yep i posted on here a few weeks back i hate that greed thing as he seid on the den [i could have carried on earning £5000 a month but i want more] :o i hope they crash and burn so to speak.
Yep, Duncan & the other dragons think it's ok for them to belittle & talk down to others but they, themselves won't tolerate it! They might be rich but that isn't a measure of what kind of person they are. Hypocrites!
I agree with you, crash & burn! ;)
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Why are people so against uk commercial cleaning!
When you say 'people' i'll guess you mean sole traders or small buisness who post here? Its relativeley easy to understand why many people do not like them, and its laws of economics. The same laws of economics that are preached in this book that every budding entrapanuer seems to want to get their hands on....How to think and grow rich. (http://www.selfstartersweeklytips.com/tagr.htm)
The investment return by the dragons has to be repaid, in order to expand nationally UK Commercial cleaning can do a more 'competetive rate'. To operate a more competetive rate they have to operate 'efficiently'. 'efficiently' in all reality in this context means cheaper.
If you look at a scenario nationwide, instead of multiple sole traders operating profitable 'buisness' (for themselves) it becomes a scenario of fewer national operators running a profitable buisness, to the exclusion of local operators. An effect not dissimilar to a pyramid scheme, thats how economics works.
Anyone who has taken a relativeley low paid job with them will be gratefull for the employment and any relatively profitable operator who has been displaced by them will be scornfull of them.
Hope that helps your understanding.