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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cannon on August 05, 2010, 07:20:43 pm
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Please take a look at my website and give me your opinions and criticism, dont hold back i can take it! :)
What sort of ratio of hits/calls are other people getting from there websites??
http://www.carpetcleaners-sunderland.co.uk/
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dont hold back i can take it! :)
Who did your leather training? Because you can't protect leather in the same way as Scotchguard etc. That was a re-dyed sofa in the pictures, do you actually do that sort of thing?
There are numerous other pictures across your site i have seen elsewhere in the last few days, so are they libary pictures or copied? So are the words all your own?
Overall the site is bright and likable to potential customers but I'm a little concerned about possible copyright issues.
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Is that not a picture of one of the moderators cleaning leather?
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i'll go first then.
not personal enough, when i book someone i like to see them personally. it looks too distant. too (i suppose in a bad way) professional.
but then i'm now classed as a carpet cleaner and don't see things from a non carpet cleaners eyes. i think your best sticking your site on a knitting forum or womans weekly forum, you'll get far better feed back than from us lot who aint got a clue anymore. we're too obsessed with the subject and knit pick at things that probably have no relevance to how well your site would do.
okay, second then
neil there all library photos with permission from mike ;)
okay 3rd then FFS
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Ditch the stock photos and get your own before and afters - and a picture of yourself, trust me it works.
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Karl Put a picture of your face on the website.Remember most of our customers are women so even if you are not so handsome at least you are there for all to see.Regards Alan(swindon)
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Beat you to it Alan ;D
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neil there all library photos with permission from mike ;)
There's some on this page and more on other pages http://www.cleanfootprints.co.uk/image-gallery.htm and they claim they are absolutely genuine :o
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Yeah pictures need sorting its top of my list. Infact ill get onto it tommorow you fellas have spurned me on now.
I was keen to get a website done and just asked for some pics to be put on as i had none. I now carry camera everywhere and im building up some good pics.
With regards to personal pic ive just recieved my new smart as a carrot uniform, so i can now arrange a picture shoot. I was thinking pic of me standing by some of my equipment maybe with my daughter. should i be waving? :) and should i have something done professionaly or do it myself?
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Cookie cutter... looks like JasonL's ::)
I'd get rid of the link pointing to the person that designed it at the bottom of the page for a start! Thats one big footprint google will notice
Also, change all the photos.
Did you write that text? If no, put it through CopyScape and watch how many sites your text appears on... You want to be atleast 80% unique.
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Text was all mine and im quite pleased with it, however i did look at other websites for inspiration and ideas.
Even though im quite pleased with the text, ill take onboard anyones opinion on how to improve it or what works better.
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Cookie cutter... looks like JasonL's ::)
I'd get rid of the link pointing to the person that designed it at the bottom of the page for a start! Thats one big footprint google will notice
Also, change all the photos.
Did you write that text? If no, put it through CopyScape and watch how many sites your text appears on... You want to be atleast 80% unique.
An independant designer or the web design company will usually always include a link on a site, its the norm and it wont do the sites ranking any harm whatsoever, Karl wont be able to get rid of it because he hasnt built or uploaded the website. He has paid someone who knows what they are doing to do it for him. BTW: like the http://www.cleanfootprints.co.uk site :) good stuff!!!
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Cookie cutter... looks like JasonL's ::)
I'd get rid of the link pointing to the person that designed it at the bottom of the page for a start! Thats one big footprint google will notice
Also, change all the photos.
Did you write that text? If no, put it through CopyScape and watch how many sites your text appears on... You want to be atleast 80% unique.
An independant designer or the web design company will usually always include a link on a site, its the norm and it wont do the sites ranking any harm whatsoever, Karl wont be able to get rid of it because he hasnt built or uploaded the website. He has paid someone who knows what they are doing to do it for him. BTW: like the http://www.cleanfootprints.co.uk site :) good stuff!!!
Who says it needs to be there? who said its the norm? If Cannon paid for the site creation then the site is his and has full say on what goes on it sonny jim! And if you know anything about PR and how it effects serps, then you'd know that any link pointing away from homepage will reduce the PR of the site :) Plus, the creator of that site has a bad habbit of using the same Joomla templetes with all the carpet cleaning websites he creates. Sooner or later the G is going to slap all those cookie cutters from the top 10 :) mark my words.... its only a matter of time.
Google hates dupliaction of scripts, layouts and temepletes! thats why they preform poorly in ranks for other, more competative niches (i.e. none local carpet cleaning keywords!)
I have first hand experance in this as i had a network of 37 sites all interlinked using 7 IP address (7 hosting accounts! thats a big deal and thought i'd of been invincible wit that many!). Was getting loads of traffic, took one year for google to spot the artificial link wheel i had created and dropped ranking drasticly! lost all revenue from those sites! Luckly i have more whitehat sites out there ;D
Cannon, do yourself a favour mate. Get Mark to remove his link. He'll do it, or atleast he should!
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Cookie cutter... looks like JasonL's ::)
I'd get rid of the link pointing to the person that designed it at the bottom of the page for a start! Thats one big footprint google will notice
Also, change all the photos.
Did you write that text? If no, put it through CopyScape and watch how many sites your text appears on... You want to be atleast 80% unique.
An independant designer or the web design company will usually always include a link on a site, its the norm and it wont do the sites ranking any harm whatsoever, Karl wont be able to get rid of it because he hasnt built or uploaded the website. He has paid someone who knows what they are doing to do it for him.
I question that......
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Cookie cutter... looks like JasonL's ::)
I'd get rid of the link pointing to the person that designed it at the bottom of the page for a start! Thats one big footprint google will notice
Also, change all the photos.
Did you write that text? If no, put it through CopyScape and watch how many sites your text appears on... You want to be atleast 80% unique.
An independant designer or the web design company will usually always include a link on a site, its the norm and it wont do the sites ranking any harm whatsoever, Karl wont be able to get rid of it because he hasnt built or uploaded the website. He has paid someone who knows what they are doing to do it for him. BTW: like the http://www.cleanfootprints.co.uk site :) good stuff!!!
Who says it needs to be there? who said its the norm? If Cannon paid for the site creation then the site is his and has full say on what goes on it sonny jim! And if you know anything about PR and how it effects serps, then you'd know that any link pointing away from homepage will reduce the PR of the site :) Plus, the creator of that site has a bad habbit of using the same Joomla templetes with all the carpet cleaning websites he creates. Sooner or later the G is going to slap all those cookie cutters from the top 10 :) mark my words.... its only a matter of time.
Google hates dupliaction of scripts, layouts and temepletes! thats why they preform poorly in ranks for other, more competative niches (i.e. none local carpet cleaning keywords!)
I have first hand experance in this as i had a network of 37 sites all interlinked using 7 IP address (7 hosting accounts! thats a big deal and thought i'd of been invincible wit that many!). Was getting loads of traffic, took one year for google to spot the artificial link wheel i had created and dropped ranking drasticly! lost all revenue from those sites! Luckly i have more whitehat sites out there ;D
Cannon, do yourself a favour mate. Get Mark to remove his link. He'll do it, or atleast he should!
Hey cool it pal, i'm not your sonny jim! I have an opinion so please respect it.
It is the norm for an external link to be on a site, its just like an advertising link and believe me it doesnt do any harm for a sites ranking.
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I'll take my own word for it :) i know what i'm talking about :o
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I'll take my own word for it :) i know what i'm talking about :o
Yea from what ive seen of your past posts you do seem to know alot about everthing tony ;D
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oooo how exicting a stalker! ::) its great knowing everything paul, you should try it sometime... 8)
Sorry for hyjacking the thread Cannon
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NOW THATS ENOUGH THE PAIR OF YA GO TO BED BAD BOYS BAD BOYS ;D ;D ;D
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Links away from the page will NOT reduce SEO, Tony. Links IN to the website will greatly enhance SEO over directly entered URLs.
Agree that template (or temaplete whatever that is) sites fare worse than original HTML content.
You do always have a certain attitude of "I know more than you!" about you Tony. Insecurity perhaps. Have a bit more modesty and manners and people may just listen too what you're saying when you DO know what your ranting about.
Dean
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The only time the search engines dislike templates is for identical "thin" afilliate sites where the only change is people cut and pasting their afilliates links. They do not see providing a whole page of almost identical sites as good search service.
Google seems to like Templates. They even provide their own for people to use...
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/templates-now-available-in-google-sites.html
If they did penalise templates, they would hit thousands or millions of Wordpress, Joomla and other CMS sites. As wordpress sites represent a whole spectrum of users (and more importantly, encourage two way interaction) they are not going to do that.
Dean, just a small point...
Links away from the page will NOT reduce SEO
Maybe it would if the link was to dodgy site like porn or gambling. Don't think Karl is doing this though ;D
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"You do always have a certain attitude of "I know more than you!" about you Tony".
You mean he's cocky and arrogant. ;)
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Google seems to like Templates. They even provide their own for people to use...
I don't know if they actually like them but it hasn't done any of mine any harm.
All of mine are templates because I don't have the time or inclanation to learn a 'new' language, and I like to be able to sit here and change anything I want within minutes, (not waiting in a que of website owners waiting the website expert to change things).
Whilst on the subject off identical sites, I've done that too with some of my minor ones, and again it didn't have any effect on positioning.
Then there's the subject of SEO. I've used various on-line SEO checks and none of them have said the same thing about any particular given site, hence why I think that no-one knows the secret of how google ranks sites. I've compared mine against some competitors in the same area, using the same tool. Theirs will show 'infringements' but will be one or two places above mine.....work that one out!
The only guarentee of getting right at the top is to do google adwords and put something like £4 against each click.
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I had a message in the dashboard of one of my wordpress sites today. It said so far, since the end of July, there have been over 11 million downloads of Wordpress 3.0.1.
I would imagine that the vast majority of wordpress sites use either free themes (effectively templates) or even the bog standard blue default one.
Google seems to love wordpress based sites. I can't see your joomla site being a problem either Karl.
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mark asked me to do these photos for him ( I must be the most viewed person on the web) he hired a professional photographer and paid for a venue.
the reason he did this was carpet cleaners were supplying him with really crap photos which they had taken themselves, they made their websites look home made.
unless you are a keen photographer don't take your own photos, do you think Tescos or ASDA use their checkout staff to take thier promotional photos? of course not. they hire a professional
take a picture of yourself but use (if given the option) the photos offered, the customer don't care someone else 2oo miles away uses the same photos, they will never see them anyway.
don't forget in the end what you want is the 1st page of google you can have a all singing & dancing website, but if it on page 9 no one will see it.
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Yea, Mikes right about photos, and its the same for website layouts, themes and design, just because we see the same cc pics and similar txt and layouts on cc websites (we are bound to its a cleaning forum) Its never going to concern the customer, because someone in Northwich isnt going to search for a cc in Newcastle. Even if they did see two similar sites, do you think they would lose any sleep over it ???
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Hello Deano! ;D
And who are you then?? a troll that lerks in the background maybe, pintchin ideas without contributing? or someone hiding thier identity? How do you know so much about me? from my forum posts? ha
Things can easly be misinterpreted on forums like these, but for your information yes i am cocky and arrogant but i also have a caring side and helped people out when and where i can!! on here and other forums....
Sometimes my replys on here are short or whatever, so what! The vast majority are helpful comments! I've not got time to dewell on my reply before hitting "post" as i'm a busy guy! I've got 17 websites to run (all doing very nicely in the serps :)) aswell as a busy, thriving carpet cleaning business! Here, maybe that what makes me arrogent! Damn, my bad...
AND, incase you didn't read what i wrote in a post in this thread. LINKS AWAY FROM ANY WEBPAGE WILL LOWER THE PR OF THAT WEBSITE! and in turn will have a direct impact on serps! simples ;) honestly i'm right about that.. and yes, you did state the obvious by saying that links in to a site will enhace seo. My granny could tell you that too :)
But i'll be honest now.... that wee link on that site probably wont do any harm to Cannons site! as compition for his keywords are minimal. There i said it! I just dont like cookie cutter templetes where you pay a so called "web designer" £200 for him to fill out a form!
And i do know full well what i am talking about thank you very much.
Keyplus, is that prochem disagreement we had a months ago still buring inside??? have a word....
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Well I have one of those cookie cutter sites. Doing nicely thanks .
I asked if I could have the passwords to edit some of the text. It is much more than filling in a form , I would need to read a book first in order to edit it . I would rather pay someone, because I can earn more simply working whilst the web designer edits it.
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I'm with Tony on this bit.
There is a huge difference between a web designer and a web marketer.
I would never let a web designer anywhere near my internet marketing stuff.
The web marketer is the architect, the web designer is the bricky (no offence to brickys intended).
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Ive just gettin a book jason, its called joomla for dummys lol. Its another language! This internet website stuff is mind boggling.
Im very happy with the site aswel its ranking nicely and has paid for itself allready. I was just after views on the content as theres people on here who know alot more than me on what works etc.
Im trying to monitor visitors to my site and how many calls i get from it. what sort of response rate should i be getting. Hope this makes sense someone should know what i mean.
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Hi Jason
I dont mean to be a pest as you seem a nice chap who's posts i always always enjoy reading and look out for :)
But your a perfect case and point! Example, search for the keywords you'd really want i.e. carpet cleaners bournemouth and carpet cleaning bournemouth. Your not even on page one, your at the bottom of page 2! With your domain name thats shocking! A website with proper structure and built with seo inmind should be atleats top 8 without any links!
I've had a look at your competitors and put thier site through some software and you should easly be dominationing! In fact, I recon i could get number one spot in a matter of weeks! ooops there's me being big headed again ;)
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Tony
im in a similar position for the keywords CARPET CLEANERS SUNDERLAND and CARPET CLEANING SUNDERLAND im about half way down page 2. The site hasnt been up long, about 5 weeks, so i was hoping it would rise with time or is this not the case, has it reached its potential and needs some additional work?
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After five weeks it should be well indexed so its "probably" reached its potential mate.... IF nothing else is done with it!
You've already got a good domain name, so on site and off site seo is needed. I.e. work on the site and getting links to the site!
p.s. your doing well in the local business listings :)
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Tony, I wouldnt mind seeing and would look forward to seeing a few examples of the 17 websites you have stated you run, or have built/designed.
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what happens when everything you need to do to get on the first page of google is already being done by the companies already occupying those places?
with more companies getting websites at some point it must become impossible to get that allusive first page ranking.
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im in a similar position for the keywords CARPET CLEANERS SUNDERLAND and CARPET CLEANING SUNDERLAND im about half way down page 2.
This is off your page script
<base href="http://www.carpetcleaners-sunderland.co.uk/" />
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<meta name="robots" content="index, follow" />
<meta name="keywords" content="" />
<meta name="author" content="Administrator" />
<meta name="description" content="Sunderlands Leading Family Owned Carpet, Upholstery, Leather Cleaners- Sunderland Based" />
As far as I can make out you need to get your SEO sorted.
Description is fine
Author you can get some key words in there like Sunderland Carpet Cleaner
Keywords, well there aren't any and that's where the problem is
These things can be changed in the control panel
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Thanks Neil
think ill give mark a ring or have a good couple of reads of my book JOOMLA FOR DUMMYS first before i start tampering.
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Key Words? does google give a monkeys fig about the keyword meta tag
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/keywords-meta-tag-in-web-search/
Follow this link the guy isnt a carpet cleaner he works for google
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Hi Jason
I dont mean to be a pest as you seem a nice chap who's posts i always always enjoy reading and look out for :)
But your a perfect case and point! Example, search for the keywords you'd really want i.e. carpet cleaners bournemouth and carpet cleaning bournemouth. Your not even on page one, your at the bottom of page 2! With your domain name thats shocking! A website with proper structure and built with seo inmind should be atleats top 8 without any links!
I've had a look at your competitors and put thier site through some software and you should easly be dominationing! In fact, I recon i could get number one spot in a matter of weeks! ooops there's me being big headed again ;)
Feel free ! , I am getting 3 or 4 calls a day from the site now , would love to be first page though.
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Jason, would you buy a site of me if i get it to number one? postion 1 on page 1 i mean, not just page one. Working all weekend but will make a start tomorrow night.
Westy, I'd love to mate but cant release my secrets :) plus the majority of my sites would get me kicked of this site lol
Mike, SEO is a huge industry! its and it'll be an ever ending battle of getting top postion! Theres millions of niches, types of business and locations in the world that seo companies can thrieve for years.
Cannon, you need to mention your keywords in the content of your site! i.e your text. In the first 100 charactors idealy as google reads the first 150 charactors to see what the site is about. Also, all your images need alt tags with your keywords.
Your site title and descriptions need filled out with, you guessed it keywords! Try and stick to 2 - 3 keywords only!
You also need H1,H2 and H3 tags.
Right enough seo class for one night lol
Tony
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Tony, I wouldnt mind seeing and would look forward to seeing a few examples of the 17 websites you have stated you run, or have built/designed.
Westy, I'd love to mate but cant release my secrets :) plus the majority of my sites would get me kicked of this site lol
Yea whatever tony just post the links to the sites you have built eh :-\ please show this forum your work.
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Paul, Understand that these sites that i own (never sold any or my services) took alot of research and the niches and keywords took up to 5 days in some cases to research! To make sure there was a market worth while to go after! I dont want to release the niches, keywords, ad placement, content, ideas or anything for that matter that can pontentialy jeopardize my sites performance or/and gain more competition! I dont know who is looking at this forum, now or the furture!
So no i cant share my sites, i'm sure you understand that but if you think i am talking hooey then thats fine too. I'm not selling my services so its not important that people believe me.
Of course, i'm more than happy to help out with website stuff on here :)
Geeesss think i need to think about commenting on things in the future! ::)
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Paul, Understand that these sites that i own (never sold any or my services) took alot of research and the niches and keywords took up to 5 days in some cases to research! To make sure there was a market worth while to go after! I dont want to release the niches, keywords, ad placement, content, ideas or anything for that matter that can pontentialy jeopardize my sites performance or/and gain more competition! I dont know who is looking at this forum, now or the furture!
So no i cant share my sites, i'm sure you understand that but if you think i am talking hooey then thats fine too. I'm not selling my services so its not important that people believe me.
Of course, i'm more than happy to help out with website stuff on here :)
Geeesss think i need to think about commenting on things in the future! ::)
Whatever Tony, I and others can make our own assumtions from your very weak reply. Your help with website stuff... think I'll pass mate.
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my very weak reply!?!? ah! my detailed reply was pretty indepth actualy if you understood internet marketing, maybe too indeph for your brain to cope with... Your a bit of a rude little twrip aren't you? a twirp that doesn't want to be told that he's wrong but i'm sure you've been told that before eh :-* night night
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Tony are your website already viewable on the WWW? surly any competitor will already be aware of them and not need to join a carpet cleaning forum to view them they can just search your chosen field and your websites will be thier at the top.
but you don't have to show any its your choice( but it would make Westy eat humble if you did)
could we perhaps look at your carpet cleaning website because if you are willing to give advice on other websites then its only fair you show us how they should be done.
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Hi
Well done looks fine. need to sort
title out
need more town name on the page
and your offer is below the fold
Try getting more of you on the page
Its really nice to see that you know that an offer is important well done. its a good offer. you could add call today for a quote and get free bottle of spotter. this is called "call to action"
great URL I had not thought of this way of doing it.
Also think why people have carpets cleaned. spillages, events, etc by addressing this in your text you make a connection with the prospect.
you can hyperlink your text to other pages about say wine spillage. goggle loves this as it look at the words that are being used for the link and then the words that on the page it links.
the more you do this on the main page and then pages that are linking to each other you are creating what is call a silo. make sure you put no follow tags on any other link on that page that does not relate to that subject. this way you focus the PR of your pages and don't leak it out.
Good luck
Ian Harper
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what happens when everything you need to do to get on the first page of google is already being done by the companies already occupying those places? with more companies getting websites at some point it must become impossible to get that allusive first page ranking.
Mike,
It's a competitive business. You need to keep on doing more than your competition to promote your site. I've got a site in the USA that is just getting onto page 2 after about six months promotion. Getting on to page 1 will be loads more work as that is where the fierce competition is.
Tony are your website already viewable on the WWW? surly any competitor will already be aware of them and not need to join a carpet cleaning forum to view them they can just search your chosen field and your websites will be thier at the top.
I can understand the reluctance. Myself (or anyone else with the right software) could check out the niches to see if they are profitable. The next step would be to reverse engineer the sites, checking the on site SEO and more importantly, the backlinks. The next step would be to create a site (or buy an existing one) and come up with a slightly better linking strategy to outrank Tony.
On a darker side, there are people who hack sites and insert their own afilliate links instead, effectively hijacking commissions.
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Guys
Sometimes the direct approach can be expensive or take time but just think about all those sites that google targets for its adwords that have a link to our market.
Let me explain. you must have dropped leaflets in the past and had a customer that used your service because of that leaflet. well its the same in these other markets. your sites are about cleaning not about fun stuff. its like the things they sell at the checkouts. people have everything they need but what about those things they are not at the top of any list but they will be needed.
Sorry that I am a not just saying it, but you know my view on lurkers.
A lot of these other places are much easier to win say top goggle slot, or cheaper clicks.
Respect
Ian Harper
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theres alot of wannabee web designers on here who think there clever slaggin off marks sites. when your startin out in carpet cleaning you need someone who can get you a site up at the cheapest possible price, then if ya wanna throw a bit more money at it to get it to number one, thats up to you. most of marks sites (depending on competition) get first page within a month or so and 2 jobs later youve got your money back. mark provides a basic package at a low price for start up carpet cleaners. giving them a foot on the ladder when money is tight due to start up costs. once your up and running, theres plenty of web designers out there who will take a few grand off you and design you a better one with better seo, but to be honest, were just carpet cleaners and a £200 site is plenty for us. i'd love to see all these wannabees build a site with all the bollox they keep saying mark misses out on for £200, ( build it, redesign it cos someones not happy, change this, change that and seo it in 3 hours) shootin your mouth off is easy when you don't have to make a living out of it.
£200 gets you a half page in a glossy classified, or 2 to 3 months in the local paper, all with limited wording. or £200 get you a half decent website and a web address you can market to give people further info on your company.
if youve got time to build your own and you know what your doing then fine, do it yourself, but if your busy pushing your business, out leafletting, designing adds, and most importantly carpet cleaning and know f$%k all about web design and how to host them etc..., then get mark to do a site for you, it'll be the best £200 youve spent.
marks sites might not be everyones cup of tea, but there good for start ups and therefore good for ciu. give the guy a break FFS.
if he was charging £1000's then yeah, but he aint, £200 measly f%$kin quid gets you a half decent site and hosting for a year.
whats the fu$kin problem.
rant over.
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Got to agree with you derek and i too would get one form mark or someone like kevin loomes who did a great site for me..
Dont think i wold bother with anyone else mind you!
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Spoken like a true poet derek can i second that ;D
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Il third it too ;D
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I would buy one from anyone who offered them at £200 , imagine 5 sites on page one for a grand!
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Well I think it looks fine. Had a look at some of the others and they don't seem any better. :-\
Do web sites pull in much work for you guys? I think if you live in a big city it might work but there is no substitute for getting off you backside and go looking for work. You don't need a computer science degree to do that.
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Tony
Its not hard to find your site. Your based in Edinburgh, I googled carpet cleaning Edinburgh. The top site has its owners name on it who is called Tony . It may well be that there are 2 CC's called Tony in the same place, I could be wrong!
Bob(Sherlock)
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Sherlock Bob ;D
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Here you go!
http://www.dirtmaster.co.uk//about-us.html
top of google , not amazing content , ok though , top of google , not to be sniffed at.
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Tony are your website already viewable on the WWW? surly any competitor will already be aware of them and not need to join a carpet cleaning forum to view them they can just search your chosen field and your websites will be thier at the top.
but you don't have to show any its your choice( but it would make Westy eat humble if you did)
could we perhaps look at your carpet cleaning website because if you are willing to give advice on other websites then its only fair you show us how they should be done.
Yea if thats the one, no humble pie then Mike, Tony didnt build it ;D
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Hi Guys
Always difficult with websites, ask a hundered people and get a hundred different answers.
I notice this is ranking on page 2 for carpet cleaning sunderland which is a start but will need to be on the first page to actually bring in much work. Sunderland is quite a competitive internet town and it won't be easy
I believe the most important thing is getting a high ranking and then when the potential custy clicks on your site they can find how to contact you.
For most people carpet cleaning is about as interesting as synchronised swimming and they will not hang around for ages trying to find who you are and what your tel no is, make them clear.
Cheers
Doug
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Its good to have an organic listing on page one. But google is a business and makes money from adwords. They are placed in the most prominent position on the page, SEO companys will always rave on about organic listings being better to get your business. IMO adwords works better, although it is beneficial for any type of business to have both listings displayed on page one, obviousley for finance reasons for any business its better for the potential customer to click on the organic listing cause its free. Good seo can cost far more than a decent adwords campaign. Money talks.
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So, Westy , for me in Bournemouth, how do I go about setting up and operating adwords , are there companies who will do it for me ?
I have heard nightmare stories of people running up multi thousand pound bills in days , and of people spending a few hundred for no return.
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google will set it up for you jase, cost ya £5 for setting up the whole campaign and they stay with ya for a month to see how its going, then just set ya budget and your away, turn it on and off with a click of your mouse. peasy
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I ran 4 AdWords campaigns for carpet cleaning & powerwashing cost me £40 a month.
basically if anyone within 15miles of my postcode typed anything to do with carpet, upholstery, leather cleaning & powerwashing I would appear at the top
it didn't pay for it self :-\ :-\
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Adwords are a compete waste of money IMO I've tried it with several products that i sold via an affilate program and had no luck. You really need to know what your doing and can be costly quickly! I've never tried it with my carpet cleaning business but from what i have heard from other local businessmen and woman it sucks for them too..
Organic listing and local buisiness listing are the vital ones. ( the ones that appear next to the map) Alot of people are getting "ads sponsored by google" blind and wont bother clicking on them and would rather check out the proper listings, thats what i have found from my experances and testing.
And on a darker note, there are loads of competitors that will constantly click on your ads (costing you money!!) get their friends to click OR use a proxie server (alot easier than it sounds), constantly changing thier IP address , then click on your ads (google wont be able to detect click fraud that way....
But dont let that put you off Jason, go a head and try it. Like Derek said, its easy to set up and monitor. Here's the link http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/ads/ then click on Adwords on the left of the screen.
The offer of a seo'd, feeder site is still there too....
Good posts by Ian and Garry! Like Garry said, I dont want to give out my niches, keywords and way of working away! Took me a LONG time to achive what i have.. As tempting as it is Mike :) lol
Weldone, you caught me lol If i wasn't working today and seen Mikes post earlier i'd of happly shared my carpet cleaning site. Like Bob said, not exactly Taggert legue detective work! lol
My site is pretty pish if i am honest, its built purely for seo and its dated! Its 5 years old, been modified twice in that time! I have a list of things that i want changed/added/taken away!! but just not had the time in the last few months to get round to it.
Westy, i did build it! do you think i would of paid for that! lol The chap that owns the hosting/design company (Paul) is a good friend of mine, and when he started up a couple of years ago i was his first hosting clients plus i gave him a link on my site as it had a PR4 at the time (now a pr3) to boost his link juice. My site is 5 years old, and the link has only been there 2ish years.
Tony
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Long as you get work from it tony thats good.
Jason why dont you get in touch with kev loomes hes great at the seo etc and websites mate..
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tony
you say youve got a list of things that need doing on your site but not had time to do it, yet you seem to think that mark should be doing all that and building the site for £200. don't understand mate. i've quite enjoyed some of your posts over the months but slating someone who gives value for money for newbies who aint got a clue about web design is out of order mate. we've all got mouths to feed, and your words may just lose mark a few jobs, unjustly imo.
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Im trying out adwords at the minute and im still undecided. Personally whenever i search for anything i dont usually bother with the sponsored links, dont know why, but i normally skip past them. It is concerning that a competitor can click away and use up your daily budget. Having said this im gonna give it a decent try and experiment a little, ive just changed the wording today.
Jason its dead easy and you set a daily budget.
I like google maps and i have a good listing for CARPET CLEANERS SUNDERLAND. but not for any other keywords such as CARPET CLEANING SUNDERLAND. If anyone has some tips on google maps that would be great.
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Hi Guys
Organic listings are worth having as they are free apart from the SEO, which you can do a lot of yourself.
I was talking to my partner about this the other day as she was researching holidays and she said she doesn't use the sponsored listings because they're not very good.
However some have used adwords effectively and it's no different to Yell or newspapers, you have a budget and check your return to see if it's worth it.
Obviously Google want to make money but are clever enough to realise that searchers want good quality relevance and organic will always be best for this.
I have hundreds of high rankings spread across a lot of sites which generate lots of leads, works for me!
Cheers
Doug
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you say youve got a list of things that need doing on your site but not had time to do it, yet you seem to think that mark should be doing all that and building the site for £200. don't understand mate. i've quite enjoyed some of your posts over the months but slating someone who gives value for money for newbies who aint got a clue about web design is out of order mate. we've all got mouths to feed, and your words may just lose mark a few jobs, unjustly imo.
Derek,
Happily, I don't think this will affect Mark's business at all.
Virtually all carpet cleaning web marketing is local service based. In other words, it's targeting a local market with less competition so you can get away with duplication of site layout and content.
Most search terms are a keyword phrase (say, "carpet cleaning") with a geographical modifier (say, "sunderland").
As Mark himself says, a local site with half decent on-page optimisation (which most people on here refer to as SEO) will be enough. The problem comes if there is a bit of competition, as Karl is experiencing in the north east.
Then, you move beyond just on page stuff to "proper" web marketing. That's where you really have to put the time in. One site I have been involved with has had over 300 hours of work put in (totally different market).
I was talking to someone who is in the private health niche and you need over 15,000 backlinks to scrape onto page one in the UK. in carpet cleaning you do not need anywhere near this amount of commitment
In nineteen times out of twenty, Marks £ 200 sites are good enough to rank well.
I've stated before on here that I think he is barmy to charge just £ 200. If however, both he and his clients are happy with that, then fine.
I personally feel he will continue to have a queue of customers wanting his services.
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I ran 4 AdWords campaigns for carpet cleaning & powerwashing cost me £40 a month.
basically if anyone within 15miles of my postcode typed anything to do with carpet, upholstery, leather cleaning & powerwashing I would appear at the top
it didn't pay for it self :-\ :-\
??? Why are you still using adwords then Mike? Just checked carpet cleaners hull and you have a sponsered listing, and before you or any one asks no I didnt click on the link.
So, Westy , for me in Bournemouth, how do I go about setting up and operating adwords , are there companies who will do it for me ?
I have heard nightmare stories of people running up multi thousand pound bills in days , and of people spending a few hundred for no return.
Hi Jason, as has been said its very easy to set up. It will only cost you as much as you want it to cost you, if you need any help just give me a shout.
I stand by what I have said, its good to have both listings. Google wouldnt be the business it is today without adwords, hundreds of millions of people use it worldwide, that speaks for itself.
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my very weak reply!?!? ah! my detailed reply was pretty indepth actualy if you understood internet marketing, maybe too indeph for your brain to cope with... Your a bit of a rude little twrip aren't you? a twirp that doesn't want to be told that he's wrong but i'm sure you've been told that before eh :-* night night
Hey Tony only just noticed this very uncalled for post from you. The only little twirp I can see is the one who has taken his picture in a mirror (see below) My brain is fine pal and I am old enough and wise enough to know when I am wrong.
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westy it shouldn't have shown you don't live within 15miles of my home ??? ??? I'll check my settings.
I enabled the campaigns yesterday to give it another shot
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westy it shouldn't have shown you don't live within 15miles of my home ??? ??? I'll check my settings.
I enabled the campaigns yesterday to give it another shot
I'm in Hull with my Blackberry ;D Only Jokin Mike, yea it did show here in sunny cheshire.
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my very weak reply!?!? ah! my detailed reply was pretty indepth actualy if you understood internet marketing, maybe too indeph for your brain to cope with... Your a bit of a rude little twrip aren't you? a twirp that doesn't want to be told that he's wrong but i'm sure you've been told that before eh :-* night night
Hey Tony only just noticed this very uncalled for post from you. The only little twirp I can see is the one who has taken his picture in a mirror (see below) My brain is fine pal and I am old enough and wise enough to know when I am wrong.
Yip thats me! ;D
What else am i suppose to do! Everyone else has... Its a forum after all and good to show your face :)
Derek, your probably right but hardly think it'll cost mark any sales. Just think a site without seo is like a Ferrari without wheels, a wedding without guests, a cup of coffee without the cup....... Here, whats happend to your name n all that?
Mike, giving a good offer on the Adwords ad will boost the success rate. A bit like leaflets i suppose.
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There is a huge difference between a web designer and a web marketer.
I would never let a web designer anywhere near my internet marketing stuff.
The web marketer is the architect, the web designer is the bricky (no offence to brickys intended).
Just re read this and realised it might have a dig at certain people...
If Kev or Mark are reading this, I was not referring to you. I meant the airy fairy types (the ones I sometimes have to work with).
I meant the sort who want to produce a graphic masterpiece and to hell with the thing actually making money. The sort who put white type on a black background and think it's cool.
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Tony your opinoins verge on aragonce to say there is zero Seo on these sites is untrue
I have over one hundred satisfied customers all making money from a negligable investment
If all forms of advertising gave the same returns our sites give carpet cleaners they would be
a lot of very rich carpet cleaners out there.
We have many instances of cleaners actualy turning a profit on the sites before they have
even been finished.
I could name over 20 of our customer who from a £150 - £250 investment have seen comeing close
30 x 40 times income from there intial investment have one who as had nearly £40,000.00 on is and
and hes has add about 9 months
We have always said we can provide additional Seo packages for the sites and at £235.00 leaves a lot of budget
to do this and no tony we dont do this ourselfves but one of the most respected SEO companys in the Uk
Is employees are earning High End 5 figure salaries.
And by the way tony if you new anything about joomla its not just filling in a form it takes about 15 hours to build one of our sites
I find your comments insulting. - As you would if I said all you do is a vac a carpet - anybody could do that
I Know your not suposed to make personal critisms of people on this baord - but some honest advice and some of the old timers on this board will advise the same - dont be arragont in business eventually it turns round and bites you
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I Know your not suposed to make personal critisms of people on this baord - but some honest advice and some of the old timers on this board will advise the same - dont be arragont in business eventually it turns round and bites you
You should take yout own advice Mark....
There is no seo on the sites i have seen Mark, simple as that really. Just an ugly seo'd URL and interlinking of all the sites on the same IP address i take it? This is also called a link farm and google dont take too kindly to it or at the very least wont pass on any link juice.
Yes, I give you the fact that for £200 people get a site. But like i said before, a site without seo is like a ferrari without wheels etc etc some got lucky with thier site appearin the the top 10 as there is no compition what so ever!
15 hours to build a joomla site!! ??? are you hard coding everything from scratch? If its a temeplete with customer provided content then i cant see it taking longer than an hour. Sorry but the truth hurts i know.
Right, had enough of this thread lol its like getting blood from a bloody stone i tell ya! its logic man!
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tony the only reason your site ranks is not great seo
its your dodgy black hat blog linking campaign hiding your url in as many unrelated blog posts as posible
very naughty and unethical
I would never try to rank a site like this
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tony the only reason your site ranks is not great seo
its your dodgy black hat blog linking campaign hiding your url in as many unrelated blog posts as posible
very naughty and unethical
I would never try to rank a site like this
No.
It is ranked where it is because (according to the most current alghorithm) Google regards it as the most relevant site for that keyword search. This is against stiff competition from Robert Watson and Fraser (Tre Allen).
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Tony if check the back links on this site
you have hid a link to your site in over 150 plog posts
what you did is find a blog on any subject
and reply hiding your site url in the text
No clever SEO just back link scamming
there is very little seo if any its table design with no tags on images
not great content
If you get away with this great I hope you keep there for ever and a day
and make a fortune.
And to bury this myth about our links network
this as been approved.
Its Relevant sites conecting to releivant sites
Google actualy see this as an hub and thats from google direct
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tony the only reason your site ranks is not great seo
its your dodgy black hat blog linking campaign hiding your url in as many unrelated blog posts as posible
very naughty and unethical
I would never try to rank a site like this
No.
It is ranked where it is because (according to the most current alghorithm) Google regards it as the most relevant site for that keyword search. This is against stiff competition from Robert Watson and Fraser (Tre Allen).
I take my hat off to you Garry ;D finaly, someone that actualy makes sense! :)
If you actualy think about the achivement of out ranking aged sites and sites that have a ton of links fromm .co.uk and releted site! Its a big deal! plus the fact that i dont even have one single keyword in the domain name! Big pat on my back! 8)
Mark/John, a backlink is a backlink is a backlink! Its no more blackhat than what you have done! i.e. intnerlinking sites that are on the same IPs! Infact this is the biggest blackhat method out there!! If i could be bothered i'd go and digg out a few bookmarked forums with these very words!
I've been creating websites and been on the internet marketing/SEO/web creation scene/forums since i was 13! I'm 27 now so thats alot of years! I know what i'm talking about... Think its time you spit out those sour grapes now Mark/John.
I'm sorry if i've offended your service, but I (along with a few other people on here in previous threads) have pointed out errors in these site, lack of seo is one of them.
Why dont you add some seo to the site you create? it wont take long! maybe another hour to the website making stage.
I did say i wasn't going to comment anymore but couldnt help myself specialy after two posts of codswallop..
Why dont we just call it truths?? I've got enough problems to worry about. We'll just think it differently and thats that. It would be boring if everyone tought the same :D Anyways, you shouldn't be here! your not a carpet cleaner! JOKING ;D .....or am I......
Tony