Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on August 03, 2010, 09:36:12 pm
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iv been asked to go and quote my first big hotel hoping to get it as it will be a nice job for portfolio and bring in a nice return
as i say i need some tips and hints how to get it
what frequency do hotels tend to go for??
how much per window would people charge on average??
what questions would people be asking to sound more professional??
any extras i could offer to for them to choose me?
any help would be appreciated thanks
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is it that big one in liverpool. I wont say the name of the hotel
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no i dont do any work over there its not huge a 100 room hotel i think but its a nice one
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Easiest way to sort out your quotes mate, look at the job forget how many windows how high how awkward just step back and think how long it will take me to do it, and put in an hourly quote your happy to be working for, keep it simple because thats all it is ;)
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no i dont do any work over there its not huge a 100 room hotel i think but its a nice one
ok mate I just know of a hotel in liverpool desperate for a window cleaner
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i know i can work out how long houses take me etc but when it comes to commercial not mastered it yet iv done primary schools that i think will take us all day n we have blitzed them, what do people do say u sent 2 lads working and it took 5 hours for outs only what price would you charge for commercial domestics £30 an hour is a nice price what price for commercial for 2 lads on the job
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no i dont do any work over there its not huge a 100 room hotel i think but its a nice one
ok mate I just know of a hotel in liverpool desperate for a window cleaner
u not from the area then to do it?? i was stayin down in cardiff at weekend and the premier inn north was rotten email me the info if ya not goin for it yaself
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nah I am in scotland I have sent you the link
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when I price up large commercial my rate per window drops by about 50% as it really is that much quicker to do when you dont have to move from the one location, I probably would go that low for internal though and find out how that is going to work with guests etc as that could be real pain, also time of day for external as they wont want guest being disturbed early morning and if parking is a problem etc
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that link cant be found what are those links anyway do u have to subscribe to it
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that link cant be found what are those links anyway do u have to subscribe to it
ok sorry mate I will just copy and paste the text to you, yes I have a free listing with them but never had any work in my area come up.
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no i dont do any work over there its not huge a 100 room hotel i think but its a nice one
ok mate I just know of a hotel in liverpool desperate for a window cleaner
stu is that the one on the other site ?
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yes ste m
richy you need to sign up to www.freeindex.co.uk
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its ok richy ill sub it to you as i know the owner ;D
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its ok richy ill sub it to you as i know the owner ;D
you got it then mate that was quick :D it only came up this afternoon
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You can't know the owner that well if he's looking on the Internet for interested cleaners. 8)
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Ive looked on the other forum and on Freeindeex and I can't see this job anywhere
Can anyone help me out?
Cheers
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ye he was just making sure that my price was as good as i said it was, i charged him £10 for the outside and £15 for the inside . reckon ill have it finished in 30 minutes, ive got one of those magic pole things ;D
Anyway back to topic, richy price it up on time mate and make sure you have the poles and equipment to clean it properly, give them the full speel about risk assessments and method statements as well mate cos they love this sort of stuff (if you need any help with these give me a bell, gav has my number)
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Ive looked on the other forum and on Freeindeex and I can't see this job anywhere
Can anyone help me out?
Cheers
theres more than two forums mate ;) I would send the link but it sounds as some one has it so I will bow out, don't want to cause a scouse price war
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there is more than 2 forums as well, i know of loads, although to be honest i think the ones i go on may not be work safe ;D
here you go mate, i aint one of those 'this is my patch' sort ;D
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&q=Hope+Street+Hotel&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=Hope+Street+Hotel&cid=0,0,4292503519205643158&ei=ABpYTN-vAYjw0wTP1PzqCA&ved=0CC4QnwIwAQ&hnear=&ll=53.400744,-2.970874&spn=0,0.001679&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.400908,-2.97079&panoid=WG68CX4g1khhgQQ8tpPoaA&cbp=12,245.97,,0,-17.5
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;D looks higher round the side
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and its got a courtyard sort of affair at the back, its bigger than you think, most of the lower floor is not the hotel though its the restaurant, may end up with that as well due to using wfp
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I used to do the Hilton Hotel in Newport. Ruddy nightmare it was because I'd priced low. Nice job; they used to feed us and we had free drinks (non alcoholic mind); nice people too.
But the low price killed us; so we had to 'give it back'.
So my advice is not to price low to get the job.
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its ok richy ill sub it to you as i know the owner ;D
just spoke to the owner he said he requires a PROFESSIONAL window cleaning service ;D ;D ;D ;D
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when I price up large commercial my rate per window drops by about 50% as it really is that much quicker to do when you dont have to move from the one location, I probably would go that low for internal though and find out how that is going to work with guests etc as that could be real pain, also time of day for external as they wont want guest being disturbed early morning and if parking is a problem etc
i have a hotel on the books that doesnt let us start before 11 this makes reach and wash impossible as the traffic is too bad at that time and its on a very busy street in city. So it has to be abseiled i should have worked this out at quote but found out too late so i dont make alot on it so do check everything out 1st
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When quoting hotels, factor in the extra time it will take if rooms are occupied. You can find yourself doing one room on the 3rd then up to 5th down to 4th etc until all rooms have been vacated. If it is a pole job, not all the windows will be closed, so you may have to walk round with someone knocking and closing them. (then relying on guests to keep them closed) also, as already mentioned they generally will have a later start time.
On the + side, possible free brekky.
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If it's more than a 3 hour job then I usually work out a price in terms of half days.
eg. Can you do it all in one morning? - Quote half your daily target.
More than a morning - then quote your daily target.
If you finish early and have time to do a couple of jobs before the day is out it's a bonus.
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what would u say a good day rate is for myself and 2 lads??
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Half 8 to half 3, £350, that works out at £200 for you and £75 a piece for your lads.
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Half 8 to half 3, £350, that works out at £200 for you and £75 a piece for your lads.
that doesnt make sense you would not be making a profit from your lads and would be pointless having staff
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what would u say a good day rate is for myself and 2 lads??
it's a question that only you can answer. We don't know how much you pay your staff, your overheads, how much work you have on at the moment etc...... All of which should effect your pricing.
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Why not ? all 3 of my lads are self employed and work half 8 till half 3 and get paid £75 a day wheather they work or not, and they are all well happy and worked for me for years.
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they might be happy but you arent making a profit from them if you were to charge like that
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So i,m earning £350 from a days work and they are getting paid £150 and theyre making me no profit, are you stupid or something or are you another forum millionaire :-\
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no i am not stupid or a millionaire but if I can do 150 a day on my own then for three men working on a large job should be able to 450 and yes you pay out 150 and your left with 300 instead of 200 that you could have earned on your own. whos stupid now
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yawn yawn keep pushing your brush mate you,ll get there in the end.
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yawn yawn keep pushing your brush mate you,ll get there in the end.
ok let me explain this way if you take a daily rate on a large job that takes three men a day and for whatever your 2 lads cant be there and you have to do it on your own. you will take three days to complete so 350 isn't that great any more.
any way I will leave it that as how everyone prices is up to them
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I agree with stu. If he were to charge £200 + £75 + £75 = £350 as a day rate he is earning £200 for the day for himself and not profitting from his staff. Surely the reason to employ and take on the extra stress and mither is to earn extra money that you couldn't by working alone?
Wheras if you employ 2 lads at £75 a day and can turn over £600 as a team... Well that's a different story and I'm sure that's what ronaldo means.
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Wheras if you employ 2 lads at £75 a day and can turn over £600 as a team... Well that's a different story and I'm sure that's what ronaldo means.
thats my point and i agree although thats not what he is saying
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The original poster asked the question of what to charge to do the job, i answered him and as always with the forum crap, people jump striaght down your neck, i would be happy to go and work for that for a day just as i,m happy to go and earn double that but its still a days work, but after 15years 3 vans 2 nifty lifts and one of the biggest domestic rounds in Worcestershire i,m still stupid and not earning enough, never mind i,ll just try a bit harder.
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The original poster asked the question of what to charge to do the job, i answered him and as always with the forum crap, people jump striaght down your neck, i would be happy to go and work for that for a day just as i,m happy to go and earn double that but its still a days work, but after 15years 3 vans 2 nifty lifts and one of the biggest domestic rounds in Worcestershire i,m still stupid and not earning enough, never mind i,ll just try a bit harder.
ok mate I take your point and I did not mean jump straight down your back, I never ever wanted to be a poster that does exactly that. As it gets right on my nerves. but you were the one who called me stupid because I did not agree on how you came to day rate for three men. I am not saying that rate is to low or high I will keep mine to myself. A bit of advice I got on pricing commercial though was to work how long everything would take one man. so if I thought a job would take 3 days they would get 3x my min hourly rate and if I can throw three men at the job and complete in a day I would make more money using that method than yours, but then again I would not get the job because you would get it with your method
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We all have a point Stu but sometimes its awkward to get it over properley, best bit of advice i,ll give you is, if your happy to earn a set amount and you go to work smiling it doesnt matter what anyone else earns just keep enjoying what you do. ;D
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We all have a point Stu but sometimes its awkward to get it over properley, best bit of advice i,ll give you is, if your happy to earn a set amount and you go to work smiling it doesnt matter what anyone else earns just keep enjoying what you do. ;D
;D that will do for me
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Employing is about
a making mire money
b making life easy
c both
Now employing comes with problems and expense so this should be consider when pricing, so stu I totally see your point and Ronaldo I don't see yours.
Richy to answer your question it's about learning so price maybe less than you thought to get it and learn from this job.
I learnt by overpricing(not purposely) and getting them
but doing in half the time I thought.
Richy be profesional sell your self and
even be cheeky and try and get some info it all helps
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Charge your hourly rate as if doing it on your own. Whatever you pay your lads is up to you. If one day you have to do it on your own, you're covered. If you get 3 lads to do it you're making profit.
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Yes, I agree with AJ. Charge whatever that you would have charged, and then let some one else do the job.
When you do business like ronaldo, it destorys the marked price. Good for him, not good for the market.
Were having big problems with people running a business like that in my area, you can not compete with prices like that.