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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Martin ccs on July 29, 2010, 07:29:56 pm
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with more and more customer packing the gardens with crap and making it a nightmare to get to hose around the houses i was thinking of getting a backpack for some houses.
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theres no point wearing it m8 just carry it its much easier!
put it where you need it,its lighter than a 25 litre water barrell and much easier to carry!
with more and more customer packing the gardens with crap and making it a nightmare to get to hose around the houses i was thinking of getting a backpack for some houses.
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with more and more customer packing the gardens with crap and making it a nightmare to get to hose around the houses i was thinking of getting a backpack for some houses.
Better solution to drop the crappy work with all the obstacles etc. and concentrate on work that requires van/tank setup.
A back pack and/or barrels is just laughable - jamming all that int he back of the car or van even. And what's worse is that the customer is the one who'll be laughing at you.
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i think your wrong pal,its called improvising and backpacks look cool m8!
certainly looks better than a bucket and a ladder!Thats laughable!
with more and more customer packing the gardens with crap and making it a nightmare to get to hose around the houses i was thinking of getting a backpack for some houses.
Better solution to drop the crappy work with all the obstacles etc. and concentrate on work that requires van/tank setup.
A back pack and/or barrels is just laughable - jamming all that int he back of the car or van even. And what's worse is that the customer is the one who'll be laughing at you.
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Improvising looks amateurish - because it IS amateurish.
Still, you can lead a horse to water, but that don't mean it'll drink. ::)
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am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
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like others have said mate pick up and put down far easier than having on your
back and far quicker for when you are refilling.
ignore the snobs,people dont generally stop me in the street
because they find it funny they are normally curious to how it
works i pick loads of work up this way.
far more than when i was just trolling hose about,nothing
to see so no interest.
if you have loads of commercial work stick to a van system
but on domestic i find i am far quicker and happier im not
unhooking microbore every few mins from every little obstical
going :)
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am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
i think they call it tunnel vision ;D ;D
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like others have said mate pick up and put down far easier than having on your
back and far quicker for when you are refilling.
ignore the snobs,people dont generally stop me in the street
because they find it funny they are normally curious to how it
works i pick loads of work up this way.
far more than when i was just trolling hose about,nothing
to see so no interest.
if you have loads of commercial work stick to a van system
but on domestic i find i am far quicker and happier im not
unhooking microbore every few mins from every little obstical
going :)
yes thats what im looking at doing regards the work - can mount for big jobs, trolley for big easy access jobs and a backpack for all the smaller domestic houses
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am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
How do you know a van mount isn't the answer? Just because you have a van mount? Not good enough, Martin.
A back pack will still have it's own problems, it's just the truth that a van mount will faaaar and away outperform a silly backpack in the short, mid and long run.
No system is perfect, but why throw money away on a piece of nonscience? Sorry, nonsense.
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am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
If you do decide to dump - Pass em this way I am local ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
In all honesty I prefer a trolley for the work I have over the Van mount - so much easier and yes there are jobs a backpack is easier to get on with but in the main I found capacity a problem unless it was for certain jobs.
My main point though was ignore SSWC - he was just being a snob and trolling ;D What he hasn't realised is some of those best paying jobs are suited to Trolleys or backpacks more than a van mount - Oh well his loss ;) 8)
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like others have said mate pick up and put down far easier than having on your
back and far quicker for when you are refilling.
ignore the snobs,people dont generally stop me in the street
because they find it funny they are normally curious to how it
works i pick loads of work up this way.
far more than when i was just trolling hose about,nothing
to see so no interest.
if you have loads of commercial work stick to a van system
but on domestic i find i am far quicker and happier im not
unhooking microbore every few mins from every little obstical
going :)
yes thats what im looking at doing regards the work - can mount for big jobs, trolley for big easy access jobs and a backpack for all the smaller domestic houses
NO! NO! NO!
What all that clobber?!!! Stick with the van mount and stop trying to complicate your work life.
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am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
How do you know a van mount isn't the answer? Just because you have a van mount? Not good enough, Martin.
A back pack will still have it's own problems, it's just the truth that a van mount will faaaar and away outperform a silly backpack in the short, mid and long run.
No system is perfect, but why throw money away on a piece of nonscience? Sorry, nonsense.
backpack = no 30 - 50 m of hose snaking round a garden getting stuck around stuff.
yes a van mount is the best way but sometimes the hose is a pain!
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am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
If you do decide to dump - Pass em this way I am local ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
In all honesty I prefer a trolley for the work I have over the Van mount - so much easier and yes there are jobs a backpack is easier to get on with but in the main I found capacity a problem unless it was for certain jobs.
My main point though was ignore SSWC - he was just being a snob and trolling ;D What he hasn't realised is some of those best paying jobs are suited to Trolleys or backpacks more than a van mount - Oh well his loss ;) 8)
What a foolish post to make. Trolling? Er, I don't think so, mate. I've tried the old trolley/backpack lark, but when I got my van mount (yes, Reach & Wash) I never looked back.
YOUR LOSS, BUT KEEP IT UP.
Over & Out.
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Then learn to adapt. If I know there are obstacles, I gather up in a hoop all my loose hose and carry it to the far side of where I'm going.
When done, disconnect hose from pole hose and walk back, and reel in from van. Unlikely then to catch on 'owt.
Backpack - unreliable, heavy, limited supply of H2o.
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And to answer that - it's called investment - Some work is more suited to both trolley or backpack. The purchase will pay for itself - hardly throwing money away! am talking about my round not some crappy wc round, houses from £20 + so no rubbish work. so def not dump work.
just more n more pots, tables, swings ... in the way.
a hose will get stuck on something - doesnt matter if it comes from the van or trolley! i have a van mount and a trolley.
why is it everyone says get a van mount to nearly ever question? when half the time that isnt even the answer?!
If you do decide to dump - Pass em this way I am local ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
In all honesty I prefer a trolley for the work I have over the Van mount - so much easier and yes there are jobs a backpack is easier to get on with but in the main I found capacity a problem unless it was for certain jobs.
My main point though was ignore SSWC - he was just being a snob and trolling ;D What he hasn't realised is some of those best paying jobs are suited to Trolleys or backpacks more than a van mount - Oh well his loss ;) 8)
What a foolish post to make. Trolling? Er, I don't think so, mate. I've tried the old trolley/backpack lark, but when I got my van mount (yes, Reach & Wash) I never looked back.
YOUR LOSS, BUT KEEP IT UP.
Over & Out.
Seems like it to me!!! As I tried explaining different work requires a different approach (ever cleaned a shopping centre roof? Trust me a trolley comes in far more useful than a van mount). Even "reach and wash" sell trolleys - for a reason.
Think about it eg Terraced housing - Van mount is no use if accessed by an alley! A backpack or trolley will be quicker end of. I am not saying they are the be all and end all - far from it and they might not suit your work but that does not mean you should just dismiss them as you have (and made yourself sound a little stupid with the brand name dropping - sounding like a sucker for their advertising quotes. ;D ;D ;D ) I don't wish to argue but don't just assume a van mount is the answer to everything because in reality it is not ;)
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Then learn to adapt. If I know there are obstacles, I gather up in a hoop all my loose hose and carry it to the far side of where I'm going.
When done, disconnect hose from pole hose and walk back, and reel in from van. Unlikely then to catch on 'owt.
Backpack - unreliable, heavy, limited supply of H2o.
lots of tools out there for our job one doesnt necessary suit every
job and if the guy wants to cover all bases fairplay.
but you keep your blinkers on and keep down that road of
tunnel vision ;)
roger! roger! over and out!! ;D ;D ;D
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I do echo that, 999, but still say listen to experience. Some goods above, but some desperate grasping at the hopes of unusual commercial jobs or terraced housing, the latter of which are the least best paying anyway.
I'm not going to get into a slagging off of kit and that, and I don't appreciate being called a 'trol' either, so I'll leave it there, and up to the OP to make his own choice.
Cheers ears.
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I do echo that, 999, but still say listen to experience. Some goods above, but some desperate grasping at the hopes of unusual commercial jobs or terraced housing, the latter of which are the least best paying anyway.
I'm not going to get into a slagging off of kit and that, and I don't appreciate being called a 'trol' either, so I'll leave it there, and up to the OP to make his own choice.
Cheers ears.
ive read all the post above mate nobody has called you a trol ???
if you are referring to trolling mate its just an expression for
pulling something behind you normally i would be trolling when
im fishing on a moving boat with the line and bait following behind.
the expression just seemed to fit.
no offence was meant and i hope i have left you a little more
well informed ;) ;D
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ive got van mount but think a back pack could be good idea , some times my hos gets cought on every thing were as a backpack would be easyer.
only the pole hose with a backpack isnt it?
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I do echo that, 999, but still say listen to experience. Some goods above, but some desperate grasping at the hopes of unusual commercial jobs or terraced housing, the latter of which are the least best paying anyway.
I'm not going to get into a slagging off of kit and that, and I don't appreciate being called a 'trol' either, so I'll leave it there, and up to the OP to make his own choice.
Cheers ears.
Not really unusual commercial - rather well paying actually ;) Agree though prehaps the terraced housing was not the best example. As for the experience bit - you dont realise who you are talking too! I don't mean to sound like I am blowing my own trumpet but I have work for clients that include every major builder, a shopping centre with 125 shops where we do the lot as part of there lease contract, Land rover Jaguar's Gaydon plant, The land rover experience in malvern, Eastnor castle, some NHS contracts, 1200 residential customers, Several retail chains and a load of nursing homes. I think I am more than qualified to know what I am on about and as I said earlier the point was that a trolley or backpack has it's uses as does a van mount.
As for the Trolling bit - Gary 999 has explained but the ;D was a clue I was only joking with you lighten up - If I really did offend you then I apologise ;)
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ive never tried a backpack or van mount but im happy with my 50L pure freedom trolley for now.i have 30m of extension hose and find i can clean 2-3 houses without moving the trolley.i have a lot of very compact 3 bedders (150 nearly all next door to each other)as well as bigger 4-5 bedders/a few commercial etc.
i use the trolley as a mini van mount for the odd stand alone job.
a backpack seems too small for me with only 15L-18L CAPACITY.i think i would rather drop the job if i cant get at the windows with my trolley and extension hose.
regards
dazmond
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2 houses without filling backpack m8,and it goes everywhere,no getting your trolley out your van then putting bootles on getting pole etc struggling to drag the trolley and carry pole.
just carry backpack in one hand pole in the other easiest tool around,its great for akward houses any every round is different!
ive never tried a backpack or van mount but im happy with my 50L pure freedom trolley for now.i have 30m of extension hose and find i can clean 2-3 houses without moving the trolley.i have a lot of very compact 3 bedders (150 nearly all next door to each other)as well as bigger 4-5 bedders/a few commercial etc.
i use the trolley as a mini van mount for the odd stand alone job.
a backpack seems too small for me with only 15L-18L CAPACITY.i think i would rather drop the job if i cant get at the windows with my trolley and extension hose.
regards
dazmond
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I have used the back pack on my back martin it is easy enough to reach round and turn it off and its only heavy for the first half of the house anyway. I wouldn't want it on my back all day everyday but for the occasional house no problem. I do know a guy on another forum whos lads use them on their backs all day as they find it the quickest way to work
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when i first went wfp, i got a backpack, i tried it on my back an bugger me it was awkward, best thing to do is carry it and then put it down to work, honestly it was really hard work on my back and id imagine taking it on and off all the time to re-fill will really annoy you
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my thoughts exactly ste!how do you fill your backpack clee?sub pump from tank in the van?
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Tip a 25 litre barrel in takes 30 arcs to fill.2 houses a fill
Great for akward houses probably use 2 or 3 a day use my clone trolley rest of time but can't wait to get van system set up so I won't need trolley and picture bottles in my van.
my thoughts exactly ste!how do you fill your backpack clee?sub pump from tank in the van?
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All sins are forgiven! :)
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Been using a Shurflo backpack for many years. Now on a lightweight trolley with short length of hose. Works a treat in awkward situations. I just wheel it round with me - easy!
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95% of the time im van mount but the backpack does have its place for the few hard to access jobs. i wouldn`t put it on my back tho. i carry it but think i might put it on a lightweight trolly. i only use it for a few hours a month
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back pack is good for very fue jobs ,but when i do use its brill ,£99 WCW ,cary it not on your back ;D ;D
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Use it along with a van mount for awkward jobs. And I'd carry it in one hand by it's handle/straps..
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I started WFP 9 months ago and went through a very difficult winter firstly by using one of those 60 ltr trolleys you may have seen on Cleaning Spot which doesn't feature a pump. It had a pressurised vessel which supposedly sent water to top of my pole. It didn't work well. So I used my shurflo backpack strapped to the trolley ditching the pressure vessel. The trolley was always gettin stuck down the side of houses, so I started carrying my backpack and refilling from 25 ltr containers. I am now heartily SICK of the sight of the containers and the time and effort it takes to refill the B/P.
I will now be gettin a van and stickin a tank in it and only using the B/P when needed. Don't get me wrong but both the Shurflo and the WCW B/P are good at what they do but I think my life as a 50 odd year old W/C will be a lot easier not luggin Heavy weights around.
As for terraced houses, never done one and never will.
PS they shouldn't be called Backpacks as you would have to be Arnie Swarzenegger to lug one of those around all day.
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I meant to say lug around on your back!
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I have van mount and wouldn't be without my backpack. Carry it though as other have said, unless you're built like the hulk !!
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I have van mount and wouldn't be without my backpack. Carry it though as other have said, unless you're built like the hulk !!
I'm not built like the Hulk, but I dont have a problem wearing the backpack on my back. No trailing hoses or having a trolley to move, I tried using it on a sack truck, but got fed up of dragging the truck round the house ect.
Having said that, I am looking to get a van mount in the next month or so and using the back pack for those jobs that it was really intended for.
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with more and more customer packing the gardens with crap and making it a nightmare to get to hose around the houses i was thinking of getting a backpack for some houses.
Better solution to drop the crappy work with all the obstacles etc. and concentrate on work that requires van/tank setup.
A back pack and/or barrels is just laughable - jamming all that int he back of the car or van even. And what's worse is that the customer is the one who'll be laughing at you.[/color]
What utter b******s, I've never had a customer look at me using a back pack and laugh ??? I've had plenty say what a great thing that pole is ect and if I ever encounter one that does snear or sn****r I'll just chuckle to myself that they are the ones paying me to clean there windows and it's really quite easy ;D
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I wear my backpack most of the day on my back, I find it easier to have it on my back. only draw back is the limited amount of water though.
I have a van mount system and a backpack for terraced houses.
Matt
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with more and more customer packing the gardens with crap and making it a nightmare to get to hose around the houses i was thinking of getting a backpack for some houses.
Better solution to drop the crappy work with all the obstacles etc. and concentrate on work that requires van/tank setup.
A back pack and/or barrels is just laughable - jamming all that int he back of the car or van even. And what's worse is that the customer is the one who'll be laughing at you.[/color]
What utter b******s, I've never had a customer look at me using a back pack and laugh ??? I've had plenty say what a great thing that pole is ect and if I ever encounter one that does snear or sblack person I'll just chuckle to myself that they are the ones paying me to clean there windows and it's really quite easy ;D
i second that (what utter b******s) when my van mount faild 1 day i was glad i had a back pack so i could still carry on working.
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been using a backpack for ages so have tried wearing the bugger but only gives me a bad back so i put it on a trolley from homebase collapseable jobby try that mate and strap your resin vessel at the back of it
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when you where all sat at home in the winter when your van mount where frooze,me went out with backpack and a limted amount of water 175 ltrs,so wfp the tops and trad the bottoms.
i still worked most of the time,
yes i wear the pack on my back and i do have a back problem,but find it worst when i have to carry it and leaning over to one side,
i also do a few houses that i have to walk though to clean back,old cottages,that make it worth my while when you see the backs,
i use the shurflo p/k and never had a problem,use on speed 2.
i see it as another tool that i have in the van todo that type of job, ;) ;)