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Title: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Doug Holloway on July 28, 2010, 04:43:42 pm
Hi Guys

I have been asked to clean quite a large area of ceramic tiles and am thinkig of buying a tool for the TM

What would you recommend and how much do you charge per square metre

Thanks
Doug
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 28, 2010, 04:57:39 pm
Hi Doug, We use the SX-12 and SX-7, Both great tools and very easy to use :D, Price wise it can vary from £3 - £5 sq/mtr depending on condition of tiles/grout and amount of grout, IE: smaller tiles equal more grout ;D, Hope that helps

Funny enough we done a video of some tile and grout cleaning we done on Friday, Check it out if you like ;), You can get some great results :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM_4qN_mZSE
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: MAX Carpets on July 28, 2010, 05:24:23 pm
Who supplies sx12?
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Colin Day on July 28, 2010, 05:32:51 pm
Alltec I think...
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Doug Holloway on July 28, 2010, 05:37:27 pm
Hi Gary

Thanks for that, your video looks impressive.

If it's as easy as it looks then I think I'll get an SX-12 and go from there.

I was thinking of buying a Rotovac 360i but don't want a jack of all trades tool, what do you think?

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Mike Halliday on July 28, 2010, 05:41:08 pm
Gary nothing on that video makes it specific to you, anyone could steal it. You need to go into YouTube edit and put some captions or annotation onto it with your company name.

I think the small print of YouTube allows anyone to download and use any video and by uploading a video you agree to this.
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: derek west on July 28, 2010, 05:54:27 pm
ceramic tiles?

enviro and sx12 all the way. i know most use a rotary brush but think about the grout lines, "enviro gets in there deep boy" ;D
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Mike Halliday on July 28, 2010, 06:01:28 pm
sx12 £700 + vat

I have a clean tech spinner 12inch  does exactly the same job but half the price ( not as sexy looking though)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 28, 2010, 06:07:59 pm
Hi Gary

Thanks for that, your video looks impressive.

If it's as easy as it looks then I think I'll get an SX-12 and go from there.

I was thinking of buying a Rotovac 360i but don't want a jack of all trades tool, what do you think?

Cheers

Doug

We purchased ours from Woodbridge Commercials, Cant remember how much as it was a few years ago now, The video shows the easy bit ::) most of the hard work is brushing in the solution and doing the grout lines with the grout brush, If you havent got one of these they are well worth in investment.

I cant comment on the 360i as ive never used one but the SX-12 is so easy to use id highly recommend it :D
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Doug Holloway on July 28, 2010, 06:11:26 pm
Hi Guys

Not as sexy as Derek, I don't believe it.

Gary have you tried the Envirodri as a 'grout brush?

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 28, 2010, 06:48:55 pm
Hi Guys

Not as sexy as Derek, I don't believe it.

Gary have you tried the Envirodri as a 'grout brush?

Cheers

Doug

No Doug have not tried the Envirodri as a grout brush, We use these and plenty of man power, Expensive for what they are but they work great.

http://www.cleanstore.co.uk/products/Product.asp?ID=3483&?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=comparsionshopping

Im pretty sure ive got a few new ones left so if you want one give us a shout ;)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 28, 2010, 06:51:26 pm
Gary nothing on that video makes it specific to you, anyone could steal it. You need to go into YouTube edit and put some captions or annotation onto it with your company name.

I think the small print of YouTube allows anyone to download and use any video and by uploading a video you agree to this.

It was only a quick video so not to bothered, Want to get some proper ones sorted for the new website so it was just a test run but as the results were good I thought id stick it up, Thanks for the tip tho and ill be sure to do this on the next one  :)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Andrew Briscoe on July 28, 2010, 08:36:57 pm
I use one of these for tile and grout, its very thin and flimsy,
i put it on rotary with a normal pad in between.
It has 1 cm grooves in it, i find it gets into the grout lines better,
exspensive for what it is, but has made me a good few quid
and its still going strong.

http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?productID=596

you can also get it in grey, supposedley very good for cpt aggitation.

Andrew
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 28, 2010, 09:02:17 pm
I use one of these for tile and grout, its very thin and flimsy,

The ones we use are certainly not flimsy, Can put your whole weight behind it and get right into the grout :) Although I do only weigh just over 10 stone ;D, We do however use the rotary on big open areas 8)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Andrew Briscoe on July 28, 2010, 09:04:44 pm
Gary, i mean they are flimsy when in your hand, great on the floor under rotary
with 14 st on it too  ???

Andrew
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: wynne jones on July 28, 2010, 09:05:50 pm
Me mrs uploaded some videos for the drifting club and some joker nicked them and put them on another site.

Turns out putting it on their site the club ranking went from nowhere to the first page on google RESULT LOL

Vid looks good mate, wish I could aferred one myself looks a dodle.
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: sherco on July 28, 2010, 10:20:43 pm
I use one of these for tile and grout, its very thin and flimsy,
i put it on rotary with a normal pad in between.
It has 1 cm grooves in it, i find it gets into the grout lines better,
exspensive for what it is, but has made me a good few quid
and its still going strong.

http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?productID=596

you can also get it in grey, supposedley very good for cpt aggitation.

Andrew
I tried these pads, waste of money in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 30, 2010, 07:23:55 pm
What did you end up with Doug?  :)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 30, 2010, 07:40:18 pm
Gary,
Nice video.
What had you done to the floor prior to rinsing it with the SX-12, chemical wise, I mean or is it just straight high pressure doing the cleaning?
Is it a TM providing the pressure and vac?
What's the market for this kind of cleaning - domestic -commercial and how do you go about marketing it?
Sorry for all the questions.

Simon

Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 30, 2010, 07:53:55 pm
Gary,
Nice video.
What had you done to the floor prior to rinsing it with the SX-12, chemical wise, I mean or is it just straight high pressure doing the cleaning?
Is it a TM providing the pressure and vac?
What's the market for this kind of cleaning - domestic -commercial and how do you go about marketing it?
Sorry for all the questions.

Simon

No worries Simon ill do my best to help :D

Floor was pre-treated with a acid based cleaner, Moped on and left to dwell, Grout lines were done with a grout brush then extracted with the TM (our new one ;D) at high pressure and with plenty of heat.

The market is very good for this type of cleaning, We've been doing it for approx 5years now and have found our best marketing technique is just doing a free sample on the back-end of a CC job, Once the customer see's the outcome its a guaranteed job, They all seem to think their hard floors dont get dirty ???, Its also very enjoyable to do as its easier than CC and some of the results are amazing ;)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 30, 2010, 08:00:27 pm
Still no pictures of your new toy, erm Truck Mount?

Simon
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 30, 2010, 08:16:57 pm
Still no pictures of your new toy, erm Truck Mount?

Simon

I didnt want to put any up yet as it still a "work in progress" as were still waiting on a few more parts, Heres a teaser just for you though ;D

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c315/gazkart/DSC00820.jpg)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c315/gazkart/DSC00814.jpg)

Excuse the mess in the last picture, It was a long day :-[
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 30, 2010, 08:30:31 pm
Gary,

Very nice, not as beautiful as my Titan tho ;D
Simon
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 30, 2010, 08:33:19 pm
Gary,

Very nice, not as beautiful as my Titan tho ;D
Simon

Its not the beauty that matters, Its all about the performance ;D

Its still a work in progress, Once its all set up ill get some proper pictures up :P
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: derek west on July 30, 2010, 08:46:16 pm
wheres the glitter ball hanging from the ceiling. ;)

very nice by the way, i might be just a tad envious. ;D
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 30, 2010, 08:50:51 pm
wheres the glitter ball hanging from the ceiling. ;)

very nice by the way, i might be just a tad envious. ;D

Were still waiting on the LED roof lighting to be fitted so that'll have to be your glitter ball ;D, Appreciate the comments tho :D
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Doug Holloway on July 31, 2010, 03:46:25 pm
Hi Gary

I haven't bought anything yet, been too busy CC these last few days but thanks for your advice, very useful.

Is that the Picketts Lock centre, I used to spend half my life there as a kid?

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 31, 2010, 03:54:30 pm
Hi Gary

I haven't bought anything yet, been too busy CC these last few days but thanks for your advice, very useful.

Is that the Picketts Lock centre, I used to spend half my life there as a kid?

Cheers

Doug

It certainly is Doug, You know it well then ;D, The inside is something else, Never have I seen anything like it before. If you need anymore info just ask ;), Ill do my best ;D

Also Doug, Was it you we met on a job in Stamford Hill probably a few years ago now, We were working about 2 houses away from each other :D, IIRC you had a Bane Clean machine?
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Doug Holloway on July 31, 2010, 04:10:44 pm
Hi Gary

Haven't been there for 20 years!

That's an awesome looking machine, at 68 hp must be about as powerful as there is the UK.

What sort of pressure do you clean at with the SX12?

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on July 31, 2010, 04:22:32 pm
Hi Gary

Haven't been there for 20 years!

That's an awesome looking machine, at 68 hp must be about as powerful as there is the UK.

What sort of pressure do you clean at with the SX12?

Cheers

Doug

Ohhh not you then, Someone else with a yellow van then ;D

On that particular floor we ran at 1800psi, The grout was in great condition other than a few little areas but the dirt was properly ground in and we had a huge area to cover so bumped up the pressure abit, The normal psi range is from 800 - 1600, It also depends on what type of dirt and grease cleans up better with heat so lower the psi and general dirt better with pressure so raise the psi, Always check the condition of the grout before you start as loose bits can blow out, Its not very common for that to happen though ;)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Mark Lawrence on July 31, 2010, 10:23:49 pm
sx12 £700 + vat

I have a clean tech spinner 12inch  does exactly the same job but half the price ( not as sexy looking though)

Do you have a link for this Mike?

Thanks

Mark
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: murky on August 01, 2010, 01:52:53 pm
Me too,

I looked at the Woodbridge site for one but there site is unfathomable, great if you want a sprocket for the wheel of your Henry, nothing but pushing a hard floor course, no spinners for sale at all any where, surely even they can realise if you want a course you would want a spinner! and vice versa.

While I admit that Altec sell their hard floor spinner for £700 plus, it seems dear for what it is and I know they have to make a profit and thats cheaper than Hydramasters. But I cant help but think they would sell a lot more if the price was more reasonable.

Thats why we are looking out for a more reasonably priced one, arent we?

Murky
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on August 01, 2010, 02:32:13 pm
Me too,

I looked at the Woodbridge site for one but there site is unfathomable, great if you want a sprocket for the wheel of your Henry, nothing but pushing a hard floor course, no spinners for sale at all any where, surely even they can realise if you want a course you would want a spinner! and vice versa.

While I admit that Altec sell their hard floor spinner for £700 plus, it seems dear for what it is and I know they have to make a profit and thats cheaper than Hydramasters. But I cant help but think they would sell a lot more if the price was more reasonable.

Thats why we are looking out for a more reasonably priced one, arent we?

Murky

Give them a call fella, I agree the web-site is crap to be honsed but they are pretty good on the phone and usually the cheapest by far ;)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Dave_Lee on August 01, 2010, 03:54:58 pm
I have the same van. Does your have double side doors?
Dave.
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Mike Halliday on August 01, 2010, 04:51:35 pm
http://www.tech-clean.co.uk/wall_floaters.html  but no price or picture.

I'll look on my computer and see if i can find any
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Mike Halliday on August 01, 2010, 05:01:33 pm
just took this one,

like i say not as flash as some you can buy but I've cleaned acres of flooring with this.
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on August 01, 2010, 06:16:34 pm
I have the same van. Does your have double side doors?
Dave.

It certainly does, Means we can pull the hoses out either side, Very handy ;)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on August 01, 2010, 06:19:07 pm
just took this one,

like i say not as flash as some you can buy but I've cleaned acres of flooring with this.

Looks like it will do the job :D but is it not abit hard moving that around with the suction? I have to pull ours with both hands sometimes as it sucks onto the tiles so much :o
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Mike Halliday on August 01, 2010, 06:24:02 pm
it has a brush skirt which stops the vacuum  locking it down onto the floor.

I actually use this tool to do out side powerwashing. at 3500psi I need to stick a 10k wieght on it to keep it from taking off :o :o
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on August 01, 2010, 06:33:00 pm
I actually use this tool to do out side powerwashing. at 3500psi I need to stick a 10k wieght on it to keep it from taking off :o :o

Bloody hell bet thats fun :o
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus) on August 01, 2010, 06:42:13 pm
Gary

When are you going to put photos of your shiny new van on the website ?
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Cleanbright UK on August 01, 2010, 06:53:52 pm
Gary

When are you going to put photos of your shiny new van on the website ?

As soon as its all finished ;D, Still abit of work going on yet but should be very soon 8)
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: murky on August 02, 2010, 12:38:11 pm
Spoke to Woodbridge.

Their hard floor spinner is £605 plus VAT, its made by Mytee.

To be fair to them he apologised and said its not on their site and directed me to the proper site.

Murky
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: Joe H on August 02, 2010, 02:43:11 pm

To be fair to them he apologised and said its not on their site and directed me to the proper site.
Murky

Which is ?????????
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: murky on August 03, 2010, 03:55:28 pm
Sorry Joe, wake up at the back there.

                               'Mytee'

I dont know how to do it so it shows up as a website.

Murky
Title: Re: Ceramic Floors
Post by: derek west on August 03, 2010, 04:08:36 pm
right click your browser where the address is and then left click copy, then right click in post and right click paste.

peazy