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Title: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: erithwc on July 22, 2010, 12:15:53 pm
hi

is it possible to clean the front top windows using a point ladder without the ladder hitting the guttering on the tiled roof the tiled roof is the normal 3-4 tiles deep just wanted to know that i can do them before i do a leaflet drop.
i think it should be ok but i just wanted to check first.
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Scrimble on July 22, 2010, 12:39:52 pm
to do them with a ladder you will need a stand off bracket
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: erithwc on July 22, 2010, 12:51:14 pm
sorry to be a pain but will a stand off bracket fit a 3.5m midland point ladder ?
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Ian W on July 22, 2010, 03:35:23 pm
I have some like that and can use a pointer to reach the window safely. I do have some where I can't do this, but they seem to be deeper roof spans than your picture.
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: bobby p on July 22, 2010, 04:27:50 pm
i would do those using a wagtail squeegee on a short pole , from standing on a small ladder leaning agenst the lower gutter .
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Tom White on July 22, 2010, 04:35:55 pm
It's hard to be sure from that photo, but what about a pointer with a rojak ladder stopper?
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: AuRavelling79 on July 22, 2010, 05:18:58 pm
I don't know if it is the angle of the photo but the drive looks like it "falls away" from the house making ladder work extra dangerous. Don't do it.
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on July 22, 2010, 07:32:18 pm
to do them with a ladder you will need a stand off bracket


No you won't, you just need proper ladders for the job! i.e. A frame (Pointers)
You can rest the top either on the cross frame of the window or on the corner where the frame meets the brick work.



Matt
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: martinsadie on July 22, 2010, 08:03:59 pm
either get your ladder high into the corners of the window at an angle or get the ladder above the window,but the way that drive slopes i would have the ladder footed,
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on July 22, 2010, 08:10:48 pm
I back Stans comment and Toshies, definately get a Rojak pad, but get the wider of the 2 pads, this is because pointers have spliced legs and the legs at the base would be too wide for the smaller Rojak pad.
Also you cannot use a Rojak pad on gravel/millwaste etc.




Matt
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: erithwc on July 22, 2010, 08:11:37 pm
thanks for the advice i haven't done the leaflet drop let so i will have a look in the next few days
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: dazmond on July 22, 2010, 08:12:13 pm
it photos like this that makes you glad you went wfp!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D

i know i am!

if the ground looked dodgy or was slippy id use a trad pole.sod the ladders at that angle! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: mci services on July 22, 2010, 08:23:28 pm
am I the only muppet that would have before wfp just stuck the ladder up and walked along the roof ;D and if it was wet just trad pole it
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: martinsadie on July 22, 2010, 08:28:13 pm
am I the only muppet that would have before wfp just stuck the ladder up and walked along the roof ;D and if it was wet just trad pole it
looks like those red tiles that break dead easy  ;)
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: mci services on July 22, 2010, 08:32:56 pm
To be honest I always avoided this type of work but it meant I was always stuck in the council estates with all the other trad cleaners
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Jackal on July 22, 2010, 09:09:15 pm
iv got a few bit like that,you got think how are you going do it in winter when the ground is cold,wet,even more dangerous,on a couple i do i have to pull my van behind the ladder and angle it more get to the window take bit longer obviously but at least its safe
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Philius on July 27, 2010, 08:38:06 am
I have some like that and can use a pointer to reach the window safely. I do have some where I can't do this, but they seem to be deeper roof spans than your picture.

What do you do with the ones with deeper roof spans?

I've just been using a pole, but if there's a way of doing them with a ladder I'd like to know how - especially as I've been asked to quote on doing leaded windows.....

Cheers
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: EZclean on July 27, 2010, 09:28:58 am
the drive slopes away too much, get it footed.
its do-able but too risky, houses like that are made for wfp  ;)
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: EZclean on July 27, 2010, 09:33:26 am
best thing to do is tell them to get the garden put back  ;D
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Ian Lancaster on July 27, 2010, 12:55:07 pm
I used to have a job where the customer was insistent on me cleaning the windows over the bay roofs.  I told them the only way I would consider it was if they fitted rawlbolts into the wall below the bay so I could tie the ladder.  I had a long run of them and they all put rawlbolts in for me ;D
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Ian W on July 27, 2010, 05:11:22 pm
I have some like that and can use a pointer to reach the window safely. I do have some where I can't do this, but they seem to be deeper roof spans than your picture.

What do you do with the ones with deeper roof spans?

I've just been using a pole, but if there's a way of doing them with a ladder I'd like to know how - especially as I've been asked to quote on doing leaded windows.....

Cheers

A pole is the only safe option without wfp. For leaded use a cut down applicator handle and clamp your preferred cloth to it. I spray the window with a mix of deionised water and ipa alcohol which gives a reasonable clean. Use one side to clean the window and the other to clean up any streaks.
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: cat9921 on July 27, 2010, 06:25:43 pm
hi

is it possible to clean the front top windows using a point ladder without the ladder hitting the guttering on the tiled roof the tiled roof is the normal 3-4 tiles deep just wanted to know that i can do them before i do a leaflet drop.
i think it should be ok but i just wanted to check first.

Erith apologies to the customer and say that you cannot clean them because of being a  scratty tatty trad window cleaner and if they want the job done then they will have to get the real window cleaners in the ones with wash systems  ;D


Lets see if you use a trad pole then you will be leaving smears when the weather is hot...
If you walk on the roof then you could fall or break a tile........... If you use a ladder at that angle it can slide back



So why don't you get a backpack and a harris pole  ::)


Sorry to be going on about WFP..............................But thats what it was designed for..... There are jobs that should not be done trad and trying to find another way to go about it when a way has been found its just madness


All the best m8

Adders  ;D
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: richard jagger on July 27, 2010, 07:28:42 pm
Park you car in the drive and rest the ladder on the facia board and against you car at the bottom. Get rid of the pointer its crap and get a longer ladder, I do not know who thought up a pointer, stupid design. The only thing its good for is a museum exhibit. Right shoot now, but its true its like the story of the Kings new clothes.
Title: Re: traditional window cleaning question
Post by: Ian W on July 27, 2010, 09:14:41 pm
Park you car in the drive and rest the ladder on the facia board and against you car at the bottom. Get rid of the pointer its crap and get a longer ladder, I do not know who thought up a pointer, stupid design. The only thing its good for is a museum exhibit. Right shoot now, but its true its like the story of the Kings new clothes.

Why do you say that? I have 2 pointers that are used regularly. Would I go back to a regular ladder? No way.