Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Klean07 on July 22, 2010, 08:17:51 am
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I used to have a friend help me untill recently who used to come with me once or twice a week. But for some unknown reason I can earn same amount or more if I work on my own.
Whats your take on this?
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your friend must be useless ;D
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klean you prob spend too much time chatting!tea breaks etc! ;) ;D ;D
seriously if you arent making more money AFTER you ve payed his wages then your not working him hard enough!!also he ll be nowhere near as quick as you if he s not cleaning full time!
i stick to cleaning on my own these days.
also you tend to be too soft if its a friend working with you in my experience.now i always say no if a friend wants work.
i find keeping friends/family away from my business is the best bet!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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you can earn more money but with two u've always got someone to foot the ladder when needed :)
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Do you mean the total is Less with two than one or that after you have paid him your cut is less?
I have had up to 3 guys working with me in the past but now mostly work alone as in order to make a profit from them you have to pay them low wages.
how much were you turning over and paying him?
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You must be paying him to much
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I used to have a friend help me untill recently who used to come with me once or twice a week. But for some unknown reason I can earn same amount or more if I work on my own.
Whats your take on this?
Much more money with two, if not, your doing it wrong it’s easy to understand how you should do it. But I wont bother posting, because you get the same few numptys jumping in posting there ballistic-ally stupid comments.
oh cmon your not that bad...a little overbearing...maybe!!
but a numpty you are going way to far :)
oh sorry!! i thought you were talking about yourself :-[ ;D ;D
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i never thought i would earn alot more when i first took some one on, i did itto aid motivation and for saftey and new i would at least cover the wage but didnt really think about doubling turnover etc , however even traditionally we sometimes almost double a normal day for me on my own and that is just with someone doing downstairs, i think the added speed makes me move alot faster and just gains momentum , on average though it is at least 50 - 75% more, if i had wfp i would expect to do double every day as i could easily do a house each rather than ups and downs, it just means planning the work and training them right
breaks become twice as expensive as you are now paying for unproductive time rather than just not working so chatting and brews etc get expensive!! so stopping work is a big no, even dinner i try miss or just stop for a quick break, my worker has the option of dinner or finishing early, i carry on working either way
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yes .iv worked on my own .untill my misses helped me .she does bottom windows ,collect money .chats to custies .which i would b doing .if i was on my own .so i can carry on regaurd less .with no hold ups .
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when i work in a pair the turnover goes up by 50 to 75% on certain work it does go up 100% but only on large jobs as soon as you start travelling the money earned decreases
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Day to Day run of the mill domestic houses will never work out double.
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yes agreed the only time i do double is on a couple large commercial and we dont work together
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when i work in a pair the turnover goes up by 50 to 75% on certain work it does go up 100% but only on large jobs as soon as you start travelling the money earned decreases
DONT TRAVEL THEN YOU SCOT :P :P :P :P
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I used to give him a third of my daily income. He was also a very good worker and used to fix things when they were broken etc.
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Interesting subject.
i often think of getting a part time lad,
I am split in my thoughts though...
Do i want him to make my working day easier and simply cover his wage?
Because that is what i think will be the case,
or do i do the same, and go hell for leather working our arses off , and use the lad as a way to go forward with both of us pushing on, for new customers etc....
and take it from there,
in other words, taking the giant step of progressing and growing and employing ?
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I find i earn marginally more with someone but definitely not twice as much.
You've got to factor in the time it takes to set up and put away for two as opposed to one. It also depends on the types of property you're cleaning.
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I recon I earn 75% more with a extra person,
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Interesting subject.
i often think of getting a part time lad,
I am split in my thoughts though...
Do i want him to make my working day easier and simply cover his wage?
Because that is what i think will be the case,
or do i do the same, and go hell for leather working our arses off , and use the lad as a way to go forward with both of us pushing on, for new customers etc....
and take it from there,
in other words, taking the giant step of progressing and growing and employing ?
how much will you pay the standard rate is 50 - 70 or 80 if special a day
you are doing something wrong if a lad with you cant pay his own wage and a bit more on top
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Interesting subject.
I would be interested to know how you find the paperwork side of things, and scheduling if your all doing seperate jobs?
Or is it more on an angle of two people being at the same property?
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Ive found they cover what i pay them...so not really worth it, but on flip side, a easier day and company. Yes somedays id coin it, some other days you wouldnt, averages itself out really.
I work alot on my own these days its just easier, work harder but no one to worry about, especially when no ones in and you have to give them the bit of cash you had.
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So is it more they physical side of the job, you have two men on one house - its quicker?
So therefore if its quicker you can fit more jobs in?
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So is it more they physical side of the job, you have two men on one house - its quicker?
So therefore if its quicker you can fit more jobs in?
Its not quicker,.. the jobs themselves might take less time, but the travelling between them & the setting up/packing away doesn't so you have much more down time in a 2 man team. Unless you have great earning jobs or are paying a low wage, its rarely worth working in a team of 2 for residential window cleaning.
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You would think logically that two men take a quicker time, therefore opening up window of opportunity to fit more houses in.
I think marketing wise it would have to be quite strategic, balancing between collecting and trying to build your round up
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Nooooo
Nobody has it wrong, it just depends on how you manage your business
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Well i'm agreeing with ewan for a change, Nahtaneal has the correct logic, but he's talking about something else.
I assume this thread is about one person versus one person plus a helper.Nathaneal is talking about three people or more.
Didn't understand what you mean't about collecting Kate.
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Simple logic dictates that a 2 man team will not complete double the work in the same time-frame.
If one is the boss & one is the helper and money is split accordingly, a 2 man team can be more profitable for the boss than working alone,.. but in my experience the income boost isn't large enough to make up for the extra hassle of employing in many cases.
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is your work compact nat? if it is not then I would agree but good compact round and then it works
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Suppose it boils down to time management.
I dont know when the working day stops for you guys, Im biased of course because we run a no paperwork system, so dont know how long all you guys spend on paperwork and sorting the next days schedule out, entering payments, finding out collections etc.
How many hours extra do you think is taken up by sorting things like that when the working day is over?
Just think maybe that time could be converted into potential canvassing time?
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Paperwork is minimal when you use George or WCP,... they're cheap too!