Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: geefree on July 01, 2010, 11:09:16 pm
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Some people come on here just to wind people up or , blatantly lie.
Why say they can clean x amount of houses in a day when they quite obviously cant?
Why say they earn x amount , when its clear they dont ( if you look back on their earlier posts)
i know things are possible, but generally earnings and topics like that should be taken tongue in cheek,
After all what right minded person would brag on a nationwide forum , what they earn?
Does that not say it all ?
A good business man never tells all and sundry how much he earns, nor how he became successful.
He leaves that admiration for others to wonder,!
Lets hear less of earnings talk please, its not good for anyone,
And it also gives out confusing signals to the new starters on here.
Who are likely to believe it ;)
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Some people come on here just to wind people up or , blatantly lie.
Why say they can clean x amount of houses in a day when they quite obviously cant?
Why say they earn x amount , when its clear they dont ( if you look back on their earlier posts)
i know things are possible, but generally earnings and topics like that should be taken tongue in cheek,
After all what right minded person would brag on a nationwide forum , what they earn?
Does that not say it all ?
It's probably got something to do with low self-esteem and child hood insecurities; or something. Just feel sorry for them.
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hey up gazza
you no for a fact that i do 60 houses daily with a minimum of £20 , thats why you started cause you seen how well i was doing .
hows dean going on mate ?
all the best
dave
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Hey Dave lol.
Right ., ;)
He is doing fine, canvass canvass and some more ;)
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Some people come on here just to wind people up or , blatantly lie.
Why say they can clean x amount of houses in a day when they quite obviously cant?
Why say they earn x amount , when its clear they dont ( if you look back on their earlier posts)
i know things are possible, but generally earnings and topics like that should be taken tongue in cheek,
After all what right minded person would brag on a nationwide forum , what they earn?
Does that not say it all ?
It's probably got something to do with low self-esteem and child hood insecurities; or something. Just feel sorry for them.
Which is pretty much the same as attention seeking isnt it Tosh!
Should we feel sorry for you in that case?
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Which is pretty much the same as attention seeking isnt it Tosh!
Should we feel sorry for you in that case?
Yes, mate. I need all the sympathy I can get these days!
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Telling porkies is the one biggest requirement of joining this forum. Join in make youself look big, pretend you are earning millions, pretend you are an expert then forget yourself by asking the most dumb question imaginable. loads do it. ;D
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Hey Dave lol.
Right ., ;)
He is doing fine, canvass canvass and some more ;)
where you canvassing , my neighbour bought that work i told you about and hes been canvassing in the same area most of this week and picked up quite a bit of work there . give me a ring tomoz mate and i will put you onto a area where they aint seen there wc for over 3 months and its unlikely they will as hes gone working full time at mokton coking plant at royston .
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I understand that people exaggerate, but you read how many cleans some do in one day,.... and some will say they earn all the money in the world.....
but hey, who am i to disagree , and for all i know it could be true,
But i really dont think so at all , and you get tired of reading it
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Cheers dave , will do
Thanks for that. ;)
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Just because someone posts big numbers it doesn't make them a liar. Fair point many threads are riddled with porkies, but as for x amount of houses in a day, well those guys that were cleaning windows 15 years back for £2:50 a time had to clean a lot just to make a wage. Some of the longer serving cleaners will know that 40, 50, 60 places a day is hard work but possible by trad methods let alone wfp.
It also depends on the work, I've had rows and rows of terraced houses in the past and not had to move the motor once in the day, but if you are moving for every 2 or 3 houses and they are semi's or detached then of course maybe 25 is going to be an upper limit.
Simon.
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It was the big numbers being bandied about on here that inspired me to look at my working practices.
Numbers of jobs done or ££££s earnt don't really mean much though, without the descriptions of how they were achieved.
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I don’t think you will ever stop people bragging about their earnings, it’s the natural "mine is bigger than yours" instinct in some.
I have a mate who turns over millions, (no he is not a window cleaner) he drives a Bentley and a Lambo, everyone knows he is loaded, yet every time I see him all he can talk about is himself and how good he is. It annoys everyone around but he can’t help himself.
In this trade it is not restricted to this forum, perhaps the rot sets in when certain big suppliers say "buy our big shiny van full of our top of the range (and very over priced) equipment, and then all you need to do is drive around and the work will come to you. EARN THOUSANDS!!!
At least on here when someone puts something about big earnings it’s only a matter of moments before someone puts them down.
Who is there to tell the newbie’s about the load of rubbish the suppliers come out with?
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If I were to say how much I earnt on my top two days ever, most people might think I was lying. But that's the point - it was only two days - both of which contained my top earning accounts when I was really up for grafting and worked a very long day. If I tried to repeat that too regularly, I would end up a physical wreck.
Ironically, on my highest earning day ever I did about 0.7 of one job. On my second highest I did five jobs. The most jobs I ever did in one day was 28 quite some years back. I did them trad and they were poorly paid jobs so the total for the day wasn't so good really.
So it's not necessarily about the quantity of jobs but the quality. N.B. I didn't post any financial numbers but that wouldn't matter anyway as I've nothing to hide.
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if we urn that much how come one just robed a bank on nationl news ;D ;D ;D
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a liar is just a liar,
also they don't have a life outside forums
to sum them up, bum-pots!!
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the best ones are the ones who come on here saying they make X an hour pick up custy in there sleep then ask how to canvess 2 weeks later under a new name
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;D
or you never hear of them again.
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Maybe the tax man needs to read some of these over inflated incomes.
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Really,?
What , with all the dole boys, i really dont think so,
Its time the government clamped down on the waste of space non tax paying drop outs.
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It ain't just on here that they tell lies. Wife goes on a gardening forum and they are always coming out with rubbish bout waht they earn
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You get my drift though , i think.
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Thats my way of thinking too,
I sometimes sit back and think what i have achieved alone, and i do feel a little proud,
But i have worked hard to get the image i wanted, and the tone i wanted to give out,
To be more professional than the beer money crew.
Hoping that , it would set me aside out there , from them, and also to give my customers a little more confidence in window cleaners in general.
After all, we are wandering all over their property when they are out.
Professionalism , courtesy and image are all important.
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the tax man knows a average of what a wc earns, even if you do not hand a tax return in they till make one for you by taking some one else tax return and using it as yours so you get to pay the same tax as them
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Well, the average wage for a windowcleaner was published as £14000 a year or two ago.
Looks like I won't bother with my tax returns any more ::)
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Well, the average wage for a windowcleaner was published as £14000 a year or two ago.
Looks like I won't bother with my tax returns any more ::)
i do the same thanks dave ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Couldn't find it here http://www.careerbuilder.co.uk/Article/CB-166-Job-Search-20-Jobs-That-Pay-%c2%a320-Per-Hour/?ArticleID=166&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=66acf71e2f854688af8fd44ec1274e3b-331526609-wt-6
Must be aiming too low.
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14000 grand a year isnt bad for a part time business, like a lot of us do,
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£14000 wasn't my figure.
Don't forget Ewan if you are really stupid you can try claiming for lunch breaks too.
Of course no-one is that that stupid to think that's possible are they? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Unfortunately me and several others I actually have to pay tax. This is because we make a fair bit of money. My van initially cost me £6500 plus tank and fittings. Now unfortunately for me my profits still exceeded the capital expenditure by a fair margin. My start up costs were in excess of £10,000. I was still employed in the print trade - £35,000 pa. and I declared an earning from my window cleaning business. Hence I had to pay a hefty amount in tax and have done ever since.
I can only assume your business turnover is so poor that you can avoid tax, either that or you are operating a £30,000 van with a bucket in the back whilst claiming you are unemployed ::)
£14,000 was a figure quoted in a national newspaper (not mine). The joke was that £14000 is a very poor wage and would be fine by me if the tax man thought that was what I earnt.
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By the way, we'd all love to know how to claim for food we eat. Please explain. ;D
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I pay my window cleaners a starting salary of £13'500 rising to £17'680 once they have gained enough experience and can go out on there own.
My best is on £21'000, but he also helps out in the office, organises the vans etc
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By the way, we'd all love to know how to claim for food we eat. Please explain. ;D
Under subsistence rules - imagine that I am working a job (perhaps a school) miles from home so that it is uneconomical to go home for lunch and that it makes sense for me to continue working through to finish a job. Or it is a summers evening and we say "look lets work thru to nine pm and push off so we don't come back tomorrow and we'll send one of the guys to get McDonalds". Or I go and buy some fish and chips to keep me and my workers going. I can claim that as subsistance.
But if I make up packed lunches for all my guys with ingredients from my weekly shop then I cannot claim that as it is pre-planned and comes from my own family weekly shopping.
Overnight stays count too and any brekkies or lunches I buy associated with them - so if I've got a two day job and stay overnight to complete it then the premier inn bill and meals can be claimed as subsistance.
The balance comes between what food and drink I take from home (not claimable) and what I buy out to "keep me going".
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;D bit buggered when you have to drive home and fill the van back up with water though.
That's it then, no more sarnies for me and no tax to pay next year! Can't wait. :)
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;D bit buggered when you have to drive home and fill the van back up with water though.
That's it then, no more sarnies for me and no tax to pay next year! Can't wait. :)
Which is why a prepared person would take a trailer with another 400L of water with him.
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I pay my window cleaners a starting salary of £13'500 rising to £17'680 once they have gained enough experience and can go out on there own.
My best is on £21'000, but he also helps out in the office, organises the vans etc
Not a bad wage for an employee, dreadful wage for a sole trader though if you are talking gross income.
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Malc, do you do that? Pull a trailer too?
I've been looking at vans again and the set up you have with the Doblo with that little engine must be near perfect for a sole trader. Cheap tax ,cheap van superb economy and easy to park for residential work. I've looked into the larger VW Transporter vans, but for a sole trader they don't make much sense to me.
400l should be adequate - pop home lunch time to top up. Tow the rest for the bigger commercial work.
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>Dave Willis - I have a trailer ready to put a 250L in should I win a big enough contract - but 95% of the time my 425L lasts all day. When it doesn't I go back for more.
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The Owner of Ionic makes about £10,000 a week that’s ‘a fair bit on money’
How much does your boss pay you to post on here ?
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Unfortunately me and several others I actually have to pay tax. This is because we make a fair bit of money. My van initially cost me £6500 plus tank and fittings. Now unfortunately for me my profits still exceeded the capital expenditure by a fair margin. My start up costs were in excess of £10,000. I was still employed in the print trade - £35,000 pa. and I declared an earning from my window cleaning business. Hence I had to pay a hefty amount in tax and have done ever since.
I can only assume your business turnover is so poor that you can avoid tax, either that or you are operating a £30,000 van with a bucket in the back whilst claiming you are unemployed ::)
£14,000 was a figure quoted in a national newspaper (not mine). The joke was that £14000 is a very poor wage and would be fine by me if the tax man thought that was what I earnt.
It never adds up with you and like minded others, you like to make out you earn ‘a fair bit of money’ whatever that means, always ready to brag although conservatively about earnings and go on to say you business never cost you a penny to operate or build up, what a load of rubbish. ::)
Yet when any one tries to post about ‘business’ you jump down there throats and make out there empire building or trying to be the next Alan Sugar.
Who do you think you are kidding; you’re a window cleaner talking to other window cleaners on a forum.
I have already posted £500 a week is not a lot of money, double that up to £1,000 a week and it still not a lot of money.
The Owner of Ionic makes about £10,000 a week that’s ‘a fair bit on money’
Bit of a silly comparison, if you go down that route then we can all think of people to whom 10k a week would be peanuts! ::)
1k per week is a lot of money for a sole windy with little overheads! remedial!
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Well, the average wage for a windowcleaner was published as £14000 a year or two ago.
Looks like I won't bother with my tax returns any more ::)
It sounds like that includes quite a few people who have other work and just do shining part time.
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Unfortunately me and several others I actually have to pay tax. This is because we make a fair bit of money. My van initially cost me £6500 plus tank and fittings. Now unfortunately for me my profits still exceeded the capital expenditure by a fair margin. My start up costs were in excess of £10,000. I was still employed in the print trade - £35,000 pa. and I declared an earning from my window cleaning business. Hence I had to pay a hefty amount in tax and have done ever since.
I can only assume your business turnover is so poor that you can avoid tax, either that or you are operating a £30,000 van with a bucket in the back whilst claiming you are unemployed ::)
£14,000 was a figure quoted in a national newspaper (not mine). The joke was that £14000 is a very poor wage and would be fine by me if the tax man thought that was what I earnt.
If someone has money behind them to live on, it's quite possible to spend enough of the profit on the business to avoid tax. However, it would need to be pretty rapid expansion in order to spend enough to keep avoiding it. I suppose tax would become an issue at the point someone decides they don't want to spend on any more growth. personally, I need my income from window cleaning in order to live but that's not the case for everyone.
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Time to leave this thread for me. I have been totally honest with you Ewan, I have nothing to hide, I haven't bragged about my earnings, I have never mentioned how much I earn and never will on any forum.
I've told you how much my business cost to set up - I never spent any money on leaflets and did very little doorknocking. I told you I earn a fair bit of money - enough to pay tax on. That's all I've told you.
Diy? that's some kind of dig that doesn't bother me, yes i've diyed fishing poles in the past and brushes - so what? I tend to use professional equipment these days because I prefer to have more robust kit. Nothing wrong with diy if you choose to go that way. I have a DIY gutter vacuum too simply because it's almost identical to the genuine article anyway and was much cheaper to build at the time even using top quality carbon tubes instead of heavier inferior aluminium ones.
What else would you like to know? I'll give you my address and telephone number if you like - I am real.
It's a shame you choose to hide behind your computer screen and refuse to use a proper name or any business details.
As the title says - Why tell porkies ???
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Imagine if all you were on here to do was put down DIY because it effected your job. Imagine if you worked for a producer of WFP set-ups or pure water systems. What if your company spent loads of money advertising on-line and in a forum. If everyone got the idea that the company you worked for was overpriced and the same set-up could be had for a fraction of the price. Would you be worried?
Why do you think a person in that position would pretend to be a window licker cleaner? Now you can see what sort of person you're up against. It doesn't matter what you say, people like that will say they claim their sandwiches back off their tax and they can charge 35 quid for scraping an egg on some poor gits window
To see that some Walter Mitty's are about. ;D Just Google the Walter Mitty Syndrome, there's your answer. It's Ewan all over ::)
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Why was my last post deleted ?
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Why was my last post deleted ?
LOL, they only delete stuff on here after lots of thought and discussions ;D ;D ;D It's a very difficult decision, so I've been told. ::)
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Why was my last post deleted ?
LOL, they only delete stuff on here after lots of thought and discussions ;D ;D ;D It's a very difficult decision, so I've been told. ::)
It was Deleted inside 5 minutes
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Someone needs to look at whoever is deleting posts !
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Spencer
Did it contain swearing ?
I havent deleted any apart from obvious bad language.
What was the post about, remind me ?
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Imagine if all you were on here to do was put down DIY because it effected your job. Imagine if you worked for a producer of WFP set-ups or pure water systems. What if your company spent loads of money advertising on-line and in a forum. If everyone got the idea that the company you worked for was overpriced and the same set-up could be had for a fraction of the price. Would you be worried?
Why do you think a person in that position would pretend to be a window licker cleaner? Now you can see what sort of person you're up against. It doesn't matter what you say, people like that will say they claim their sandwiches back off their tax and they can charge 35 quid for scraping an egg on some poor gits window
To see that some Walter Mitty's are about. ;D Just Google the Walter Mitty Syndrome, there's your answer. It's Ewan all over ::)
What’s the point of you?
Your don’t even use wfp
You're not even a window cleaner ;D ;D ;D
Oh! Deleting your posts again Ewan? ;D If the C.P.S. ever charges you for being a window Licker cleaner, your case would be dropped, due to lack of evidence. ::)
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How Bizarre - every ewan post deleted?
Had to get rid of them before the boss logged on first thing this morning I suppose.
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How Bizarre - every ewan post deleted?
Had to get rid of them before the boss logged on first thing this morning I suppose.
Who's his boss then Dave? National Car Parks? Because he isn't a window cleaner, that's for certain. ::)
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It's certainly curious ... not only has Ewan done a big delete on this thread but my "where have Ewan's posts gone" thread has been deleted too!
Could cozy be on to something here? An Iconics plant? Ooooh - interesting ...
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Some people come on here just to wind people up or , blatantly lie.
Why say they can clean x amount of houses in a day when they quite obviously cant?
Why say they earn x amount , when its clear they dont ( if you look back on their earlier posts)
i know things are possible, but generally earnings and topics like that should be taken tongue in cheek,
After all what right minded person would brag on a nationwide forum , what they earn?
Does that not say it all ?
A good business man never tells all and sundry how much he earns, nor how he became successful.
He leaves that admiration for others to wonder,!
Lets hear less of earnings talk please, its not good for anyone,
And it also gives out confusing signals to the new starters on here.
Who are likely to believe it
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Dreamers will allways be dreamers.
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Ewan, You need to stop drinking afer 9 o'clock, you have to be at work tomorrow to make the tea. Off you go to bed and dream about actually being self employed like the real window cleaners on here.