Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on July 01, 2010, 08:54:22 pm
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ive been and collected a few custys tonight and checked some of the windows.most were ok but 2 in particular were awful!i could see quite a bit of spotting even though it was cloudy(lounge windows as well!!).one custys didnt even notice and just payed! the other wasnt in and im sure ill get a few more complaints ::) ::)
im dreading going back to some houses!! ::)
im spending longer than trad and double rinsing,water is 000,its just so frustrating sometimes!im spending longer faffing around at night filling up/tightening hose connectors etc.doing me nut in today!!
im rinsing brush off(3in off the glass)/i clean brush regularly after every house with my hand.
the windows were plastic "wood effect" ones.
will a lot of these spotting problems go away after a few cleans cos after all im a window cleaner!!!if their not clean than i aint happy!!
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they will go after a while, probably had a crap wc before you came along lol
some windows just need washing again
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Daz - sorry mate it's just down to rinsing, you may find you clean them then return after doing the other windows and going over again.
you need a high flow rate and only lift off 1/2 inch or so.
Do you know the weather forcast ??
just wondering....
cause if the wind changes i'm sure WFP will be king again.... ;D
Darran
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Your doing great.
There's usually a reason.Spots at the top might mean dirty seal. Run a cloth over it with your finger.Anywhere water can be trapped and come down later is a problem.
You left faults when you were trad, train lines and drips down the edges.
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the windows were plastic "wood effect" ones.
I think one of the downsides to this type window frame on first cleans is that you cannot easily see when the frame is scrubbed clean, on white its relativley easy, or easier anyway. I'd probably concentrate on scrubbing the frames more. I don't want to go into a high flow debate but sometimes if you rely on a high flow rinse you take the chance of continually flushing dirt out the frame and seal.
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daz hold the brush as close to the glass as you can especially at the top, saying that its your first time round with wfp so its inevitable you will have the odd problem with dirt coming from the top seal.
i converted some work a few months back and on the second time round i had two old boys demanding i didnt clean with that big pole as it was rubbish. i convinced them i would do it again and when i finished the street i would come back and check. i walked the whole street and low and behold they were right the windows were a right mess. so i sorted it out trad and on the next visit i kept the brush on the glass and gave the seals a really good scrub then again i walked round and knocked the two doors and they agreed they were perfect.
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cheers lads ill hold the brush nearer the glass when im rinsing.
im finding the windows that bead and run down into little rivers a problem sometimes.should i gently brush and rinse to chase the water away in a zig zag motion?(eg brush on?)
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ive had my flow on 60 (pure freedom flowcontroller)
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im using pencil jets as well.im sure fan jets would be better but the brush manufactures usually only have them in pencil!!why?? ???
im not really liking pencil jets yet all my brushes have them!! ::) ::)
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Rinse on you ol' woman ;D
Rinse on, high-flow rate cant go wrong.
I rarely bother to check even first cleans nowadays. Did one today, with wooden framed sash-windows.
High flow, brush on.
What else can you do?
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pencil or fan if you use a mono brush and keep it on the glass with a high flow it makes no odds.
i have no idea how high a flow is 60 on the pure freedom as i dont have one.
daz you have an eye for spotting the problems and trust me you will find the solution sometimes it takes a while but you will get there
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so you think SOD IT! steptoe!and just rinse on with high flow?
forget about fan jets?and just do as above and to hell if they sack me cos im no longer a good window cleaner due to this over-hyped heap of crap water brush thingy?? ;) ;D ;D ;D
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im sick of having to pull away and rinse off!im using a supalite dual trim flocked but some of you say its ok to rinse on?
ill have my supalite dual trim mono by tommorrow or monday and that will become my main brush.
sod it im going to rinse on for all windows now!!less strain at height!! ;) ;D ;D
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so you think SOD IT! steptoe!and just rinse on with high flow?
forget about fan jets?and just do as above and to hell if they sack me cos im no longer a good window cleaner due to this over-hyped heap of crap water brush thingy?? ;) ;D ;D ;D
Mind where the jet (fan or pencil) goes, so you dont draw crud off the brickwork or upper frame/vent etc, scrub and rinse rinse rinse.
You rinse more, better and more thoroughly with a higher flow rate. Keep the brush on to save your muscles and to prevent too much splashback.
Its simple Daz, you're the one complicating it.
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im sick of having to pull away and rinse off
Who told you had to do that?
The fears in your head?
Look where your head got you ;)
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i couldnt agree more with albert/steptoe/aka somebody else just rinse on and get on with it and it will all come good
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im using pencil jets as well.im sure fan jets would be better but the brush manufactures usually only have them in pencil!!why?? ???
im not really liking pencil jets yet all my brushes have them!! ::) ::)
Fans are not better than pencil jets, you get the water where you want with pencil jets, with fans it goes everywhere (fans do sound rather nice though, but for results more so for a new person pencils without a doubt
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with fans it goes everywhere
No it doesnt.
Cant you hold a pole still or something? What twaddle.
With a normal fan jet you'll have two spray bands each about 4" wide, depending on how far from the glass you are.
If you rinse on or with just one end of the brush on and the other off you'll have a far far finer spray of water hitting the glass, it is because of this that rinsing with fans is superior to rinsing with pencils.
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a few guys said always rinse off!!im gonna leave brush on/high flow tommorrow and see what happens.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................CLEAN WINDOWS HOPEFULLY!!!! ;D ;D ;D
my head is constantly weighing everything up but usually when i finally make up my mind its the right decision after much deliberation!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks lads!!
dazmond
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a few guys said always rinse off!!im gonna leave brush on/high flow tommorrow and see what happens.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................CLEAN WINDOWS HOPEFULLY!!!! ;D ;D ;D
my head is constantly weighing everything up but usually when i finally make up my mind its the right decision after much deliberation!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks lads!!
dazmond
Daz, if you do that you'll be starting a thread tomorrow titled 'Thanks to Albert Steptoe, he knows what he's talking about'
Shall I start it now and you can just comment on it tomorrow? ;D
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with fans it goes everywhere
No it doesnt.
Cant you hold a pole still or something? What twaddle.
With a normal fan jet you'll have two spray bands each about 4" wide, depending on how far from the glass you are.
If you rinse on or with just one end of the brush on and the other off you'll have a far far finer spray of water hitting the glass, it is because of this that rinsing with fans is superior to rinsing with pencils.
I have used both, I do better with pencil jets, and when rinsing on pencil jets won hands down, rinsing off there is no comparison fans are messy no twaddle just a fact of life imo
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Theyre messy in the hands of someone who isnt competent admittedly. ;D ;D
Never had any complaints so far.
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a few guys said always rinse off!!im gonna leave brush on/high flow tommorrow and see what happens.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................CLEAN WINDOWS HOPEFULLY!!!! ;D ;D ;D
my head is constantly weighing everything up but usually when i finally make up my mind its the right decision after much deliberation!!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks lads!!
dazmond
Daz, if you do that you'll be starting a thread tomorrow titled 'Thanks to Albert Steptoe, he knows what he's talking about'
Shall I start it now and you can just comment on it tomorrow? ;D
and hopefully this poor guy dont listen, as I can see in three weeks a post i'm losing customer, wheres that steptoe geeza Arold!!!!!!!
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That explains it, youve used fans and lost custys as you wern't up to using them.
Like I said you have to be competent. ;)
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thats just your opinion window washers high flow pencil or fan does the same job although i find fans quicker and always brush on
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thats just your opinion window washers high flow pencil or fan does the same job although i find fans quicker and always brush on
of cause it is only my opinion, I know how to use both, I prefer pencil jets.
Steptoe I am not lowering myself to you :P both should you want some pencil trainign I will gladly show you how to do it correctly and at speed, fans imo are slow on most work I have trailed both and this is what I found. I guess it is a case of each to there own. :-*
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You're already lower WW if you're using pencils ;D
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You're already lower WW if you're using pencils ;D
;) ;D and I love it :-*
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Dazmond, first clean spotting is the norm, you'll find ways to reduce it, you will never eliminate it. You will never be perfect either. Many think they are but it doesn't happen.
What you will find is the point where you know you can get away with it, the point where a customer won't notice the faults - you always will see something wrong on every pane if you look for it.
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Dazmond, first clean spotting is the norm, you'll find ways to reduce it, you will never eliminate it. You will never be perfect either. Many think they are but it doesn't happen.
What you will find is the point where you know you can get away with it, the point where a customer won't notice the faults - you always will see something wrong on every pane if you look for it.
Dave, whilst I can agree with you a bit, if you can find fault on all work your doing, you need to look at how your doing it fella, I am shocked sometimes at just how good water fed pole is, with no flaws in the work at all, not every time granded but on the most part yes.
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All I can say is that my standards are far higher than yours. Either that or your vision must be impared. There is no way on gods earth you will get perfection on a first clean. Dazmond is quickly realising this and learning fast.
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ive also cleaned a lot of first cleans the last few weeks that have come up absolutely spotless!
its just the odd few windows here and there that make me feel uneasy as i am the window cleaner who hasnt done his job properly!!!! ::) ::) ::)
im used to getting windows bang on first time trad!different ball game with wfp!!! >:( ;D ;D
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You'll get better, just got to work out the problem areas yourself. Try different brushes and varying techniques then just when you think you've got the hang of it try a minging commercial job. :o
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Like I said, some think they are perfect. Sad really ::)
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Like I said, some think they are perfect. Sad really ::)
I'm not perfect nor did I say I was am pretty close though to be honest :-*
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All I can say is that my standards are far higher than yours. Either that or your vision must be impared. There is no way on gods earth you will get perfection on a first clean. Dazmond is quickly realising this and learning fast.
Dave are you saying that WFP cannot clean a window perfect or is it just on first cleans ::) I only say that because I can get a perfect finish with WFP :D ( not on first cleans )
I am not saying if you went round and looked at all my work you will not find the odd mark or 2 because you will and lets face it what trad cleaner can say they never leave an odd scuff mark or two ::)
WFP is not perfect but you can get most windows clean to a good standard even yours i'll bet ;D
Adders
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First clean Spotting ....................................... remember ::)
God this forum is full of numpties!