Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Bob Robertson on June 30, 2010, 08:32:44 pm
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Whats the latest with the C.L.E.A.N association? its gone a bit quiet on here after the launch.
Bob
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ANswers on a postcard ;D
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Bob,
I was wondering that. Last I heard they'd had a good take up from the launch so was expecting to here of its success.
Simon
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Find a cleaner section on there site is still empty for W.Yorks.
John
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I may be wrong but if you put CLEAN unto google it does not show up.
If you put in NCCA it does
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i just typed in carpet cleaning associations and got this
any one a member
http://www.pcuca.org/
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Looks like its american derek.. ;D
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Judging by the fact none of CLEAN's members or admin have said anything id guess all has gone pear shape.
Richie.
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I don't think it has gone pear shaped yet, but the silence is deafening and I'm surprised no one has said anything. I only asked what the latest was.
Bob
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I think Steves on holiday. Not sure about the other founders.... Steve was the only one that spoke about the association :-[ Maybe its like the fight club... lol
Tony
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Tony
Thought it was pete and steve being the moderator, anyway I wish them all well
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As an interested party, I haven't heard much either..... But as The Smiths once wrote.... "These Things Take Time"
;)
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Both on hols at the moment I think
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The NCCA has only 3 full time staff (on admin work etc) and you expect miracles from them
so what chance CLEAN to do anything spectacular in such a short time with no full time staff.
I reckon Pete & co will have been working as hard as they can behind the scenes whilst working for a living and providing for their families day to day needs.
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They should call Pete the human dynamo ;D
He should slow down a bit, although i think he is on holiday at the moment for a much deserved rest.
::) do you think he took his boiler suite with him ::)
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Pete is on holiday at the moment for as you mention for a well deserved rest.
The guys associated with clean are all very busy so I assume its simmering on the back boiler for the time being. As Joe mentioned earlier trying to do this in their spare time is a lengthy and time consuming process.
Bet he did take his boiler suite heard his missus likes it ;D
All the best,
Jason.
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How long has it been going, I've never heard of it, is it worth joining and how much is it.
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How long has it been going, I've never heard of it, is it worth joining and how much is it.
- 5mins
- you wouldn't have
- no
- a rip off!!
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Remember people watch out for new posters with negativity towards various things as they could be other cleaners who hold a grudge!!
Out of good manners you wouldn't voice an opinion after only a handful of posts, would you Simon?
Shaun
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Simon[/b]
Shaun
Is Cleantom the Simon I know of, Shaun. Looking at his details:- Male - yes..... Southampton - potentially yes........Age 40 - No way
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Alias's come in different names and ages Frans, I used to do it to get into pubs when I was 16, now I can't stand the bloody brown stuff.
Shaun
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Go for the greeny/amber or red stuff - a whole new world will open up to you Shaun ;)
regards
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Shaun,
If you're suggesting that I am Cleantom then why not have the moderators check out his IP address?
Perhaps Cleantom could expand on his profile and publish the name of his business etc.
If you look at his last posts you will see that he posted at 1.56pm on 29th June when I was on the motorway on the way to Southampton, I'll happily post a copy of my M6 toll receipt if you like.
Simon
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I've never understood about IP addresss' are they the address that is registered when the the person joins or where they are posting from at that moment in time?
I joined at CIU with a different service provider and address that I log on with now. I also post from different computer at different address ( when on holiday etc) so IP address don't prove anything
people also share log on details.
anyhow back to the subject.... I also think its a bit strange none of the clean founders have posted a reply ???
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Not be the first time you've dual posted on different names, infact I can remember you posting in one name and signed off in another then there's no credibility to your posts.
Shaun
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I joined the British carpet cleaners association instead. More transparent , and less hassle and messing about.
This is a quote from the website , how much more straightforward can it be?
Hello and welcome to the British Carpet Cleaner's Association.
Why a new asscoiation?
We have found the NCCA to be very rigid in their thinking, expensive and not many carpet cleaner's are or want to be involved with them. We are also aware that there is a another association called CLEAN starting out but that costs a considerably amount of money too.
The BCCA will have an annual fee to be registered but it will be very minimal.
Our website will give consumers a choice of our members when requiring carpet cleaning works carried out.
You will not have to go through any training course or exams, all that our association will require is your business details, proof of insurance and details of the equipment and training you have done, if any.
You will then be put into a catergory within our website of the level of experience you have obtained and the equipment you use.
All members will receive an annual association certificate, along with a membership card (to show customers), BCCA stickers for your vehicle or equipment, plus other incentives that we are working on.
We will post further information in due course, in the meantime please enjoy the forum (which will eventually be attached to our website)
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Jason
I had a email from the BCCA about joining, thought great filled in the details etc had an email confirming and a link, i clicked the link, nothing happened so i googled the British carpet cleaners association all that came up was the NCCA ???
That was about a week ago
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the problem with all these associations is they think these forums ( truckmounters, CCDO cleantalk CIU etc) are the an open pathway to the majority of British carpet cleaners, but I bet not even 5% of all the carpet cleaners in the Uk actually read these forums.
unless they find a way to get in touch with the other 95% then they will be doomed to fail
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Not be the first time you've dual posted on different names, infact I can remember you posting in one name and signed off in another then there's no credibility to your posts.
Shaun
I've posted from the m6 before using my phone and that has a different ip to my home, and the point being "me thinks the lady doth protest to much" especially as the lady has a past history of it.
I haven't been here for months and what do I find, Shadows and Lies, black, black, they keep me in the cupboard and feed me pins!
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I've recently had e'mails from a new forum for carpet cleaners but unable to access it ...........
british carpet cleaners forum
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So how much is CLEAN then, I dont mind paying if you get werk off it.
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I joined one a years ago on Ebay
Fitted my Criteria 3 years experience been on industry training courses, code of conduct.
No Directors
No membership fee
I think there were about 60 members
Then I lost contact with guy running it.
Liked it because it was simple
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i joined T.A.C.C.A. the approved carpet cleaning association about 6 months ago and since joining my business has gone from strength to strength. ;D
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Customers don't care if you belong to a trade association, as long as your competitive and do a good job.
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Shaun,
You may wish to reflect on the fact that by accusing me of masquerading as CLEANTOM you have in effect destroyed any credibility the guy will have in the future because you haven't judged me, you've judged him and so destroyed his enjoyment of this forum. Anyway, that's your problem.
Clearly we are two people who for whatever reason just don't get on, so let's just leave it at that, shall we.
From now on I won't be responding to any posts you make and I suggest you do the likewise with mine.
All the best,
Simon
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Customers don't care if you belong to a trade association, as long as your competitive and do a good job.
Fair comment, I often ask customer's if they've heard of NCCA.... They look at me as if I'm mental ;D
I think prospects are happy enough when you offer your portfolio of work carried out, containing proof of insurance, (including treatment risk) it seems to put their minds at ease.... Having said that, if I had a few hundred quid to waste, I'd join the NCCA :D
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Sherco & Colin
but I have had the exact opposite experience to you two.
I have had customers ring me because I am a member of the NCCA.
there are always two sides to a story.
and Colin, yes I have had customers who have not heard of NCCA, but by the time I have finished telling them I have got the job.
The trouble with NCCA, CLEAN, BCCA, TACCA and any others, is that there is just too many.
My advice to CLEAN was to approach NCCA and see if they could join forces, but they havnt.
All that happens is that peoples energy, enthusiasm, money etc is not focused... so nothing/no one achieves great success.
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Sherco & Colin
but I have had the exact opposite experience to you two.
I have had customers ring me because I am a member of the NCCA.
there are always two sides to a story.
and Colin, yes I have had customers who have not heard of NCCA, but by the time I have finished telling them I hav
The trouble with NCCA, CLEAN, BCCA, TACCA and any others, is that there is just too many.
My advice to CLEAN was to approach NCCA and see if they could join forces, but they havnt.
All that happens is that peoples energy, enthusiasm, money etc is not focused... so nothing/no one achieves great success.
By what you're saying.... There's no point in joining any of them really!
I appreciate it works for you Joe, but I'd really need to see a lot more evidence that the NCCA would benefit my business....
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i joined T.A.C.C.A. the approved carpet cleaning association about 6 months ago and since joining my business has gone from strength to strength. ;D
I joined the Portable Owners & Operators Forum and for some reason it did nothing for my business. :(
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i joined T.A.C.C.A. the approved carpet cleaning association about 6 months ago and since joining my business has gone from strength to strength. ;D
I joined the Portable Owners & Operators Forum and for some reason it did nothing for my business. :(
;D ;D ;D P.O.O.F.... Very good!
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I'm surprised Dennis, others are also chasing the pink pound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5C1G6GbBDg
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I'm surprised Dennis, others are also chasing the pink pound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5C1G6GbBDg
Start the Prowler Owners & Operators Forum as well then. ;D ;D ;)
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So how much is CLEAN then, I dont mind paying if you get werk off it.
Here you go, although I'm not sure how long the link will be up before some jobsworth reports it to a mod and it gets deleted.
http://www.cleanassociation.org.uk/join.html
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Thanks Neil
Sounds OK but I think I will wait and see how it goes.
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I joined the British carpet cleaners association instead. More transparent , and less hassle and messing about.
This is a quote from the website , how much more straightforward can it be?
Hello and welcome to the British Carpet Cleaner's Association.
Why a new asscoiation?
We have found the NCCA to be very rigid in their thinking, expensive and not many carpet cleaner's are or want to be involved with them. We are also aware that there is a another association called CLEAN starting out but that costs a considerably amount of money too.
The BCCA will have an annual fee to be registered but it will be very minimal.
Our website will give consumers a choice of our members when requiring carpet cleaning works carried out.
You will not have to go through any training course or exams, all that our association will require is your business details, proof of insurance and details of the equipment and training you have done, if any.
You will then be put into a catergory within our website of the level of experience you have obtained and the equipment you use.
All members will receive an annual association certificate, along with a membership card (to show customers), BCCA stickers for your vehicle or equipment, plus other incentives that we are working on.
We will post further information in due course, in the meantime please enjoy the forum (which will eventually be attached to our website)
Now I think about it its the name of the organization i joined 4 years ago on ebay.If this is new might have to speak to lawyers as i had liftime membership
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Here you go, although I'm not sure how long the link will be up before some jobsworth reports it to a mod and it gets deleted.
??? ???
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I failed to understand refrence to Moderator
Due to the fact Mike , Doug and myself had joined in debate.
Only place i feel publising CLEAN may fall foul is they have a Forum.
But its not as if lead members are pushing it
So in fairness i better mention NCCA
and ScCCF or whatever who I believe do not charge to join
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Dont forget
T A C C A ;D
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Or the Y.M.C.A you have to be fair .......oh i have missed this forum !!!
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Really :o
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Clinton which organisation is TACCA is it any good? All these organisations I've never heard of, must have been living in a cave.
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I failed to understand refrence to Moderator
Due to the fact Mike , Doug and myself had joined in debate.
Only place i feel publising CLEAN may fall foul is they have a Forum.
But its not as if lead members are pushing it
So in fairness i better mention NCCA
and ScCCF or whatever who I believe do not charge to join
Tut tut Ian :) it's the s c s f 8)
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Ian
If an organisation is free to join, what are they able to do without any form of income?
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Ian
If an organisation is free to join, what are they able to do without any form of income?
Sell your details?
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Thought that cant be done under data protection act.
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Joe, so if CIU sold the forum they would have to wipe the database clean would they?
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Morn wynne ;)
Yes think the tacca was the one derek was looking into launching i think mate..
Good luck anyway wynne :)
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Wynne
I thought you meant "sell your details" as in selling my details onto other commercial businesses for them to bombard me with there selling matter via post or email or text etc. That is what I think is not allowed under the data protection act.
If the owners of this forum were to sell the forum for someone else to carry on in a similar manner and in accordance with the data protection act then I think that would be ok.
So what did YOU mean by "sell your details".??????????
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I failed to understand refrence to Moderator
Due to the fact Mike , Doug and myself had joined in debate.
Only place i feel publising CLEAN may fall foul is they have a Forum.
But its not as if lead members are pushing it
So in fairness i better mention NCCA
and ScCCF or whatever who I believe do not charge to join
Tut tut Ian :) it's the s c s f 8)
Joe supprised you are not a member of S.C.S.F
It was started several years ago by some members from The General Cleaning Section
But also covers Carpet and Window Cleaning
They have negotiated discounts with some suppliers.
Have a Cleaning Firms Directory on Web
I believe they have beeb instumental in getting one or two cleaning contracts
However I am sure Arthur who is one of the key players coud tell you more
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I failed to understand refrence to Moderator
Due to the fact Mike , Doug and myself had joined in debate.
Only place i feel publising CLEAN may fall foul is they have a Forum.
But its not as if lead members are pushing it
So in fairness i better mention NCCA
and ScCCF or whatever who I believe do not charge to join
Tut tut Ian :) it's the s c s f 8)
Joe supprised you are not a member of S.C.S.F
It was started several years ago by some members from The General Cleaning Section
But also covers Carpet and Window Cleaning
They have negotiated discounts with some suppliers.
Have a Cleaning Firms Directory on Web
I believe they have beeb instumental in getting one or two cleaning contracts
However I am sure Arthur who is one of the key players coud tell you more
Someone suggested to me when we first set up that if we charged a membership more people would be interested. Which might well be the case as a directory, referals and details of work all over the UK with no membership costs might seem strange to people, but that's what we do for free with no agendas ;)
Then there's the trauma scence cleaning section which has got membership costs:
We get a mention in cleaning matters... http://www.cleaning-matters.co.uk/stories/articles/-/newsletters/2010/april/newly_formed_british_bio_recovery_association/
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Arthur have you been watching a reality show on Virgin about a company called Crime Scene Inc
Who clean up dead bodies crime scenes etc in USA
They pick up 100s of dead bodies a week.
Apparently if you do it wrong all the skin comes off.
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Thanks Ian I was thinking of having my tea, I think I'll give it an hour. ;D
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Arthur have you been watching a reality show on Virgin about a company called Crime Scene Inc
Who clean up dead bodies crime scenes etc in USA
They pick up 100s of dead bodies a week.
Apparently if you do it wrong all the skin comes off.
Trauma cleaning isn't something i fancy doing Ian.....Have you ever done any?
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I was asked to clean up after an attempted suicide slit wrists by Social Services just after we went on Matts course in Nottingham with Richard from Chemspec
Only problem was I think family was paying
Phoned Richard at chemspec he said Carpet should be destroyed and disposed off by registered company
His advise was as I was not qualified not to touch it.
I believe a rival firm just went ahead and cleaned carpet etc at standard price
If i remember rightly there was no mention of suicide when I took call to go and have a look
I advised Social Services to get a Trauma company in.
On a personal level My Wife and I cleaned up after her Sisters Sucicide in Canada
Slit wrists
My wife and her mother also had to clean up after her brother shot himself in the head and blew his brains out also in Canada
Its not the blood its the flies and maggots and smell
I was talking to a Customer who works at the local Cremetorian , and asked who deals with dead bodies in trauma situation and she said it was still local undertaker.
She told me about her friend who went to a flat for a dead body two weeks old still in the bath yes the skin fell off.
Enjoy your breakfast
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Hi
Yep, sadly (so far) it is still not regulated in this country and people will clean this all up for £10 p/h.
I just lost another one yesterday, blood all over the hard floor, vomit all over the sink and diaohhrea all over the toilet, quoted and lost 1/2 an hour later as apparently social Services will sort it?
Hopefully it will get regulated shortly and we can then proceed in a professional manner?
Regards
Martin 8)
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Apparently if you do it wrong all the skin comes off.
A bit like casseroled sausages! :-X
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Forgot I posted this before I went on Holiday. Still surprised that there is no reply from any founders or members. Maybe they were on holiday all at the same time and missed the thread! ;D
Bob
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Someone said they were getting sum publicity going and paying some PR guru?
When I do a search I can't find any reference to it. From a google point of view it probably was a bad acronym to use as I think clean is quite a competative word.
Has anyone seen any press releases, directory entries, links from other sites etc? They did have a couple of article in trade mags I think.