Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: derek west on June 28, 2010, 02:00:21 pm
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could it be coming from anywhere or are they prone to a certain place, trying to find the leak now but can't seem to find the source.
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hi Derek
have you spoke to Martin at hm?
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found the source, its the main gasket at the back of the engine. thanks for the calls guys.
yeah spoke to martin, looks like a trip to cornwall is on the cards. i hate that drive.
might try and nick the bolts up first to see if that cures it, long shot but then its a long drive. :)
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Derek
Could you not do it yourself?
1. Drain oil from engine
2. Unbolt engine from mounting and move it back to allow access
3. Unbolt crankcase cover, undoing bolts in opposite sequence.
4. Remove old gasket and fit new one
5. Whilst there fit a new crankcase bearing (housed in the crankcase cover) for the crankshaft
6. Put crankcase cover back on and do up bolts in opposite sequence to retain flatness when tightening (supposed to be at a certain Nm but generally quite tight to very tight is perfect.
7. Move engine back in to place and bolt to floor again.
8. Put oil in (hey, may aswell change filter too).
9. Be safe in the knowledge that you have saved a whole day, and a load of wonga ;D
Mark
p.s. failing that why not ask Dave Ingram?
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oooooohhhh dave! good shout.
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HM have a service place in Oxford www.mpmscleaningequipment.com
Shaun
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Too far for Derek Shaun, albeit closer than HM. Dave would be first port of call, if not then DIY, then Oxford and lastly HM.
I think Derek would actually lose 2 days what with staying over in cornwall.
Mark
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set off 3 am, get there for 8.30, maccies brecky, HM for 9.0am, nick johns spare car, hit the beach for some surfin. maccies for dinner, back to HM for 1.00pm. head home, maccies for tea, home for 8.00pm ;D
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I agree Dave is would be first choice but I'm not sure how he is for time and also spares, he's fixed more TM's than you can shake a stick at but he is a busy man.
Shaun
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set off 3 am, get there for 8.30, maccies brecky, HM for 9.0am, nick johns spare car, hit the beach for some surfin. maccies for dinner, back to HM for 1.00pm. head home, maccies for tea, home for 8.00pm ;D
You forgot maccies for supper!
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set off 3 am, get there for 8.30, maccies brecky, HM for 9.0am, nick johns spare car, hit the beach for some surfin. maccies for dinner, back to HM for 1.00pm. head home, maccies for tea, home for 8.00pm ;D
You forgot maccies for supper!
thats just greedy and unhealthy plus i'm trying to watch my figure, ;D
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Only 2.5 hours to Oxford from yours Derek.
Shaun
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Had this prob with my 4.0 with 22 hp engine. this is a complete engine removal job. couplings of and remove crankcase cover completely. the casket will be hard and in places stuck like rocking hourse £"!! you need to spend time to remove this completely and cleanly. fit new gasket in place and use some kind of high temp silicon gasket sealer on both sides of the gasket. This will not only strengthen the joint but also allow the gasket to be held in the correct position while replacing the crankcase.
There is a sharp bend on one side of the crankcase where this seal blows and it does not seem to fit there properly either so in my opinion the sealer is essential.
You must make sure the timing marks are aligned correctly inside too.
You will NOT be able to do this correctly without completely removing the engine. change the oil filter and replace oil etc and refit engine.
If you are not mechanically minded and don't have a good selection of tools i would go to HM!
Cheers Goron
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If I ran a tm I would replace it every 2 years .
Even going to Cornwall and back in a day will make the following day gruelling , will cost 150 plus to get there and back , plus repair cost , plus a days lost earnings at least . Surely the total cost is the thick end of a grand by the time it is sorted.
I cannot see how it can be viable having that kind of liability hanging over ones head.
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Need some sun tan lotion then Derek you could be there for some time.
Shaun
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Gorons right, but the timimg marks would only need checking if the camshaft pops out, or moves when removing the cover. Very straightforward though.
Good luck Derek, let us know how it goes.
Mark
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How old is your machine Derek?
Shaun
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martin said its a 3 hour job, but i'd get a service while i was there so 4 hours.
my machine is 2 and a half years old.
my mechanical days are over, had a fair few engines and gearboxes out in my time, with a haynes by my side but think i'll leave it to the experts now, besides, ive just had a manicure ;D
sun tan lotion?, man up lad, you'll be using a glide next ;D
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Derek,
Take it to Chemspec in Bailden, West Yorkshire. An engine is an engine regardless of who made the unit, they'll do a good job for you.
Cheers
Pete
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Now I like Chemspec alot but I wouldn't mess around I'd go straight to Cornwall, it'll be done and dusted and you can get back to work and it'll feel like brand new again.
Shaun
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Sounds like yiou need a B&S master technician, guaranteed work , much less travelling and a smaller hourly rate. Check the Briggs website
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Only trouble with them is that you have to book weeks in advance as I've tried that before and it's the garden season so they may have their heads in a ride on lawn mower.
Dave do you think having a Butler van driven TM is the way ahead?
Shaun
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Derek, I suggest you give Porthcurno a visit, it's a very nice beach and the totty down there will make your eyes pop out ;D
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Only trouble with them is that you have to book weeks in advance as I've tried that before and it's the garden season so they may have their heads in a ride on lawn mower.
Dave do you think having a Butler van driven TM is the way ahead?
Shaun
I am waiting for an answer back from the DVLA ref this , if the van could be classified as plant , then there would be ........... no road tax , no MOT and best of all could run on Red diesel , volumetric concrete mixers, cranes, truck mounted cherry pickers, recovery trucks and many other items work this way.
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In theory you should have less problems but the biggest problem I have when my TM goes down is getting someone local to have a look at it let alone fix it, there are quite a few that will touch American import vans.
Shaun
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Chemspec & Alltech are much closer. Both have deal with truckmounts and could easily do the job for you. The machine isnt under warranty now so no concerns there.
Shaun, why wouldnt you take it to another company? Your a yorkshireman and as tight as a ducks arse so your supposed to advise people to save money ;D
Richie.
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You can't use a van-powered TM in the UK because it is illegal to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running :)
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You can't use a van-powered TM in the UK because it is illegal to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running :)
Not any more , lots of precedents and examples are available .
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Derek,
I never realised that an oil leak on a Boxer was contagious but mine has just gone down with the same thing.
Fortunately, I've got old man Ingram on my door step and he's coming out this afternoon to look at it.
What a star.
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JasonL
I'm with Jim on this.
If the precedents you mention are what you included in a previous post ie volumetric concrete mixers, cranes, truck mounted cherry pickers, recovery trucks............. you will realise in each of those cases the operator is there with the vehicle.
I used to spec vehicles for purchase by North West Water, some had pto equipment like tippers, cranes/loaders, sludge tankers, gulley suckers - all of these had the operator in attendance.
I think, but will stand corrected, that leaving your car unattended with the engine running is an offence.
Same with a truck.
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I owned a volumetric mixer last year ,, drove it on my car licence , no mot , tax and on red diesel , I left it on road with the engine running.
The key phrase is "mobile plant" as opposed to a "road vehicle", if I can get DVLA/VOSA to agree that such an item is plant then it is all good. I do agree that a vehicle is not allowed to be left unattended with the engine running on the road.
I have approached it from the angle that the machine would be used to extract water from a building, eg in a flood, but that some cleaning will take place .
I dd the same thing with trailer mounted driers 10 years ago , and was granted a tachograph exemption on weight due to it being used in water industry for emergency reasons. The new style VOSA are especially helpful and very open to talking.
Did you know that the limousine industry actually changed the law with regards construction and use /liscensing recently ? Thier trade association is what the NCCA ETC could be .
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Hi Jason,
Keep us posted on this as the outcome could obviously have significant enhancements for us.
Daz
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Chemspec & Alltech are much closer. Both have deal with truckmounts and could easily do the job for you. The machine isnt under warranty now so no concerns there.
Shaun, why wouldnt you take it to another company? Your a yorkshireman and as tight as a ducks arse so your supposed to advise people to save money ;D
Richie.
Richie HM warranty machine for 3 years as long as they do repairs.
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i have to agree with shaun about briggs dealers, i have 3 briggs authorised dealers around me and i won't take my 427 to any of them now, last one i trusted with it set the spark plugs twice the gap it should have been and i was around 2 months struggling to get it run correctly until martin at hm sorted it, i would take it to hm and know that it is being repaired correctly,
colin
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The likes of the AA , RAC & the Police have there vehicles fitted with a device called RUNSTOP. It lets the driver take the keys out and leave the engine running while they are beside the road with all there lights on. This stops the battery on the van going flat and lets the driver put the person who is being rercovered get warm, with out the risk of the car being stolen.
The RUNSTOP has been approved by Police & Insurers.
Richie.
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All I have to now convince the man from VOSA is that the van is not capable of carrying a load , and is exclusively for plant. More research will be carried out in Vegas in September .
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There was a guy in Pontefract who imported a direct drive TM in a US van although I don't know how legal it was but if it does become legal or is legal then you may have opened it up for HM to import the Salsa and my favourite the Butler system.
Shaun
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My brother has a CDS in his garage in North Carolina ,, looking at fitting it to a rear wheel drive transit .
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Apparently the only van it will work in the UK is a Mercedes can't remember who told me this though may be John Gotts.
Shaun
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I have been told , toyota, transit , iveco , or transit , rear wheel drive versions only
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You can't use a van-powered TM in the UK because it is illegal to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running :)
whats the dif between a oil delivery truck and a cement mixer both running when pumping out and especially oil truck pipe can be 100ft to the tank