Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Nick Wareham on June 22, 2010, 09:31:37 pm
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My decision to get a van mounted system has been sped up by the news that VAT will go up in Jan, so I figure that by buying before then I'll save a bit of money.
The question is what do i go for?? I currently use a purefreedom trolley, which I rate highly and would recommend to anyone. However, I am not certain I would get a pure freedom van system.
I like the look of Ionics for van mounts, clearly it is good kit, but I don't much like the look of the price tag. I see they have put a banner for this Pure2o company on here now. Can't quite work out what it is, seems to be quite a bit cheaper than ionics, but is the same company?
Has anyone had any dealings with Pure2o, or had a pure2o system. Have to say, the prices are much more to my liking, and seems to be similarish to ionics systems.
confused! ???
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Have a look at the gardiners website fella, can't go wrong !
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do it yourself mate..you will literally save thousands
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do it yourself mate..you will literally save thousands
I would, but I simply don't have the skills. I know I would mess it up so its something I'd rather pay for.
Have a look at the gardiners website fella, can't go wrong !
Do you have a link please?
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Do a google search for diy wfp mate ;D
It really isnt difficult, all you need is basic skills and tools and you will be surprised at how easy it is
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i second the DIY method.
sooooo easy even i managed it!
Darran
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i second the DIY method.
sooooo easy even i managed it!
Darran
well thanks for the honesty, but i really dont want to go down the diy route, just not something i want to do.
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Go pro.
DIY is not worth it. Too much time fixing things and bodgeing. If you had an engineering background maybe.
But your decision making is useless.
First decide what size system and what type of van and why, and then look for the best deal for what you want.
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All you need to accomplish is to pump water from a tank to the end of a brush - Why spend thousands ???
Andy
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Go pro.
DIY is not worth it. Too much time fixing things and bodgeing. If you had an engineering background maybe.
But your decision making is useless.
First decide what size system and what type of van and why, and then look for the best deal for what you want.
LMFAO....what engineering background do you need to fix a pump (already come with wires and a diagram) to a battery and to a tank that has been fixed through the floor into the chasis....engineering background.... ::)
Go and waste a couple of thousand pounds of your hard earned money....you will probably get some nice stickers though.... ;D
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I think you'll find lots on here who can't afford basic equipment!
If you read through the posts many are new start ups obviously.
I started DIY and still have DIY and probably saved £2500 on my system. However, in hindsight over three years later the only thing I would change would be the fitting of a crash tested tank.
Most of us can lash a tank in the back of a van with straps, metal bands or whatever but how safe is it? None of us know.
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Have a look at the gardiners website fella, can't go wrong !
Hi They are the same company.
Basically Pure 20 is how they used to build kit when they were called Over The Top!
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My first attempt at a home made system back in 2002. We used Twin 4040 RO's and a booster pump, it certainly filled a 600 ltr tank quickly!
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My decision to get a van mounted system has been sped up by the news that VAT will go up in Jan, so I figure that by buying before then I'll save a bit of money.
The question is what do i go for?? I currently use a purefreedom trolley, which I rate highly and would recommend to anyone. However, I am not certain I would get a pure freedom van system.
I like the look of Ionics for van mounts, clearly it is good kit, but I don't much like the look of the price tag. I see they have put a banner for this Pure2o company on here now. Can't quite work out what it is, seems to be quite a bit cheaper than ionics, but is the same company?
Has anyone had any dealings with Pure2o, or had a pure2o system. Have to say, the prices are much more to my liking, and seems to be similarish to ionics systems.
confused! ???
Hi Nick,
it took me nearly a year to decide what system.
I had all the the companys to do me a free demo, all the systems looked great and worked as they should, but the price always stopped me buying from Ionics, brodex etc... I was quoted anything up to £8500
In the end I choose purefreedom, they don't give demos but the price was £2000 for a two man 650l ro set up, when i went to have system fitted I was surprised it looked and worked great.
The day before I was meant to have system fitted my van was in an accident, it was wrote off in the end, this made me difinately think I made the right decision not to go down the diy route, purefreedom bolt to chassis and give a engineers report for insurance companys
I would definately recommend purefreedom and if you are anywhere near Essex area you are more than welcomed to have a look at the system.
Thanks
Darren
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2nd Home made system late 2002. I would however say I now just buy ready made systems.
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It’s not a waste of a couple of thousand pounds! If you can’t afford that amount of money on a wfp system should you be window cleaning for a living.
I honestly think there are a few on here who can’t even afford basic equipment.
Who would they be then....
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Gardiners is a crash tested system, for about the same money, of course all is dependant on final specs of both systems.
Gardiners is built for window cleaners by window cleaners, would rather my hard earned go in their direction.
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Gardiners is a crash tested system, for about the same money, of course all is dependant on final specs of both systems.
Gardiners is built for window cleaners by window cleaners, would rather my hard earned go in their direction.
Don't you think Ionics and Facelift are window cleaners too :P
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i doubt the head honcho of ionics is out scrubbing windows :-\
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i doubt the head honcho of ionics is out scrubbing windows :-\
He used to though! Now he just employs.
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It’s not a waste of a couple of thousand pounds! If you can’t afford that amount of money on a wfp system should you be window cleaning for a living.
I honestly think there are a few on here who can’t even afford basic equipment.
Who would they be then....
Anyone who can’t justify spending money on standard equipment, the only real reason for that is you’re not making enough money window cleaning. DIY your equipment to save money isn’t the answer and won’t solve that problem.
You do talk a load of crap Ewan.
I have a diy set-up that does the job as any pro set-up....does that mean i dont earn enough money to afford a new system??? ;D ;D
What a bafoon
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You accuse me of talking crap, yet you get upset at the mere mention you may not be earning enough because I think some people who do DIY don’t have the money.
There has to some people who do the DIY for financial reasons.
If you have been window cleaning for a few years especially using wfp and you still question whether to buy a piece of standard equipment because of the price, something is wrong. Whether you like it or not, agree disagree, I don’t care. But I bet in most cases it comes down to money.
I am interested in why you believe that those who choose to go diy only do so because you think they cannot afford it....what is this based on?
Do you believe that all industries go down the route of just buying the most expensive equipement because they should if they are making money...i dont,i believe that businesses make a judgement on their spending to suit their needs and requirements at the time...you are obviously someone who believes that money talks....well in the domestic window cleaning market it doesn't,customer satisfaction and service is paramount not how a window cleaner delivers water to a brush head.
Rant over.... ;)
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diy tank and fit what £300?
Pro fit tank with cage £2500?
Big difference.
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i doubt the head honcho of ionics is out scrubbing windows :-\
He used to though! Now he just employs.
What's his cleaning side called?
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Stainless steel cage fitted properly by engineering company in Essex....£350
Would pure freedon/ionics/pure2o or any of them be able to do that?
It's not about being a skinflint and not buying "PROPER" equipement,it's also about using your money to gain value from it.
Anyway im out of this one now :)
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Supply and fit? Surely not.
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i doubt the head honcho of ionics is out scrubbing windows :-\
He used to though! Now he just employs.
What's his cleaning side called?
Its not for me to say, but if you know where the manufacturing side is based it isn't too difficult to find the cleaning side.
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diy tank and fit what £300?
Pro fit tank with cage £2500?
Big difference.
I priced a diy yourself set up, can't remember how much, but god knows where you get £300 from,
so i paid £2000 for purefreedom 2 man set up, money well spent, with out the hassle of doing yourself
Darren
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Ioinics all the way.
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Tank and straps and a few bolts = £300 ish.
I have a static system so we are not talking about the ro. Only a tank and securing it. Check the price on the banner above for a tank, cage and fitting.
http://www.pure2o.co.uk/systembuilder.html 600ltr system
http://www.tankshop.co.uk/acatalog/650_Ltr_Baffled_Water_Tank.html
so, for an extra £2000 or more you can have a cage and have it bolted in. Which is why so many go down the diy route.
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Guys, i didnt mean to start a war.
My heart is not in DIY, so no matter what I wont be doing that. I think spending about £2056 on a properly installed and tested 400 litre tank is probably going to be money well spent. The fact that it is after all ionics i think is a good thing not a bad one.
I already have a 300GPD RO unit, that I currently use, so I just need the tank and pump. I am also toying with the idea of getting a 4040 RO at the same time, but maybe I'm getting ahead of myself and should add this later on.
For the record, me not choosing DIY is because I am not very competent with it, and really dont even want to try. Safety is another issue as somebody said.
Anyhoo I emailed them, I'll no doubt get a reply this week with some advice about it.
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I love DIY,.. my whole system is DIY & its is designed perfectly to suit my needs.
It did however take a lot of time & effort to get the tank cage made & installed,.. and though I've done the best job I could & I'm happy with its safety, I wouldn't crash it into a wall to prove the point.
DIY is fine if you REALLY know what you are doing,.. but for all but the most competent I would defo recommend a crash tested tank at the very least. It costs more undoubtedly, but you get peace of mind. My next system will prob be a Gardiners one if funds will allow.
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Have a look at the gardiners website fella, can't go wrong !
Hi They are the same company.
Basically Pure 20 is how they used to build kit when they were called Over The Top!
No they are not - Your thinking of Ionics ;)
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i doubt the head honcho of ionics is out scrubbing windows :-\
He used to though! Now he just employs.
I even remember him saying that he used to clean by abseiling.
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Ioinics all the way.
to the bank
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I've had a reply from pure2o:
Thank you for your email. I'd be glad to help you decide what would be your best option.
Depending on the model, a Transit Connect has sufficient payload and space for either a 300 or 400L system. I would recommend you look for a T220 or T230, rather than a T200. This way you can carry 400L of water.
Secondly, I assume you live in a hard water area since you are using an RO system with your trolley. However, if you intend to fill directly into your van system, then it would mean that you would have to connect your van to fill for about 10 hours per night - this might be a problem if it also your main method of transport.
From what you have said, I think there are 2 practical options:
1: Get a 400L Pure2o delivery only system which is filled using your 300GPD unit connected for about 10 hours per night:
400L Pure2o Delivery System with:
single 7L DI Vessel
Automatic Shut-Off
Auto Compensating Flow Controller
£2,538 incl VAT and fitting
2: Get a full 400L Pure2o RO-DI system (this will fill in approximately 2-5hours depending on pressure)
400L Pure2o RO-DI System with:
4040 HF5 Reverse Osmosis unit with Prefilters
twin 7L DI Vessels
Automatic Shut Off
Auto Compensating Flow Controller
£3208 incl VAT and fitting
As you can see from the options above, the cheapest way to proceed is to simply use your 300GPD unit to fill your Pure2o system directly, but this will mean the van must fill for about 10 hours per day which may be inconvenient.
I would recommend getting the Pure2o RO-DI system, as this is by far the most convenient to use. Having all of the water treatment in the van is a significant advantage, meaning that you can fill up wherever there is access to a tap. This might be important, for example, if doing a large commercial contract where water consumption is high.
The price I have quoted here of £3208 is for a reasonably well specified system, fully fitted (Swindon) and inclusive of VAT, but I'd be happy to discuss what optional extras are available, and what they cost.
Please feel free to call me on 01793 574 936, or I'll be happy to call you if you want to send me your number.
Many thanks
Jason
PS You can also get an instant quote with the various options yourself by visiting this link http://www.pure2o.co.uk/systembuilder.html
Nick Wareham wrote:
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> I am interested in getting on of your systems.
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> I already have a 300GPD RO system that I use with a trolley, but I am looking at a 2005 fiat doblo van. Could you please tell me what the various options are.
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> Could you also tell me how much more a 4040 ro membrene would be.
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> Nick Wareham
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just wondered is worth buying a reach and wash system for domestic work.
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I fitted my 400 litre tank into my transit. Yes it was because I could not afford to get a pro one. Yes it saved me money. BUT it was a right ball ache fitting the tank securley, My mate has a workshop with a pit in, If it was not for this it would of been even worse to do. DIY is not my cup of tea, but needs must at the time, Hopefully in the future if/when i need another system I will have enough money for a pro fitted one. Pure freedoms seem to be a very good deal.
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only been going since November so hopefully will not need one yet ewan! ;D But maybe in a few years when van needs replacing