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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: C-N-C on June 12, 2010, 03:35:49 pm
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Hiya guy's
Hope ya all okay ;)
Thanks to all you guys for the advice on getting a 40/40 ro system.....
The only problem is,WOT 1.... ;D
Heres a few links...please have a look and let me know wot is best for me-thank you ;)
My water is 500+ & i use a merlin wot takes it to 60 now,im spending all my profit on resin :'(...use to be 35 from merlin???anyway its time to give up the ghost & get a better system for hard water :D
Anyway here they are guy's....any help much appreciated...i was thinking 5 or 6 hundred pounds (ish)
1 http://www.ro-man.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=235&osCsid=d751e0e9d51dbd46c9ee9e3e91ae06e8
2 http://www.gapswater.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww.gapswater.co.uk%2f&WD=40&PN=copy_of_Reverse_osmosis_kits.html%23a1111#a1111
3 http://www.window-tools.com/window-cleaning-water-treatment.htm
I carnt think ov anymore,but anyone who dont mind pointing me in the right direction i will be mostly greatfull.....
Some of these companys use diffrent 40 membrains etc...i just aint got a clue..LOL :-[
Osmonics Desal AK4040TF low energy 4" x 40" membrane.
& all kinds...im just not that clued up yet...
Anyway any help from you guy's will be much appreciated
Thank you in advance
Kindest regards
Justin :)
P.S here is my last post about same problem---http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=102531.0#msg872198
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Personally id get the HF5 from gaps, ring June up from there and tell her your situation and she will tell you exactly what you need as she know her stuff...........
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Personally id get the HF5 from gaps, ring June up from there and tell her your situation and she will tell you exactly what you need as she know her stuff...........
Hiya RWC ;)
Thank you mate,im going to phone now c if its open today!!!
The hf5 looks a better ro,more money,but ya get wot ya pay for man...
That is NOW my first choice @ this moment in time,THANK YOU MAN!!
Let ya know wot result i get ;)
Kindest regards
Justin ;)
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Hiya man
Closed today.... ::)
Thank you R W C ,i will still phone her monday
Kindest regards
Justin ;)
Anyone suggest what other system could be best for me?
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Omnipole do a pumped 200 gpd RO unit fro £275 (wihtout pump £200).
They produce water more slowly than a 4040 but the water quality will be just as good. Perfectly OK for a static system (for 1 man) and the membranes are cheaper to replace. If your water pressure is 50psi or above you should not need a booster pump.
If your water is hard you have 2 options:
1. Replace membranes more often (perhaps every 6 months)
2. Use a water softener which will greatly extend life of membranes.
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I have the 4040 from RO Man, and the pump that they recommend. I have had it for around 3 years now, still has all the original John Guest pipes and connections and comes all set up on a PVC Board. This comes with 20 inch pre-filters. This has been run 5-6 days every week.
I also have the new HF5 4040 from June @ Gaps water, had this for 9 months now. I chose the 10 inch pre-filters with this system as June recommended this. You have to assemble the system yourself, which is very easy to do, it comes with instructions just in case. I bought a PVC board and mounted it all on this and screwed it to the wall. I bought a cheaper pump for this system, was around £140.00.
Both set ups do the same thing, but i would say the HF5 produces the water quicker, cant say this for certain as i haven't timed it, but seems a lot quicker, and the water pressure into the Gaps HF5 is slightly lower than the pressure into RO man one.
I would of bought another RO Man system, but they wouldn't sell me one, as about a month later they shut down. Always had great service and advice on other things from them. This also goes for the service and advice from June @ Gaps, she really knows her stuff, and always has time for a chat to help you out.
Unless RO Man have updated the RO filter, then i would go for the HF5 from Gaps, and buy a decent pump. Not sure if Gaps do booster pumps now, maybe worth asking.
;D
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I have just bought the HF5 from GAPS and will be installing it on Monday. I think June told me that the system works better without a pump in my case (I have water in pressure of approx 50psi)
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I have just bought the HF5 from GAPS and will be installing it on Monday. I think June told me that the system works better without a pump in my case (I have water in pressure of approx 50psi)
Yeah that will be perfectly fine, mine is only 25-30 psi without a pump. You could always add a pump if you wanted to produce the water quicker.
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Hiya guy's
Verry intresting to read ya post's ;D
DD that sounds great man ,but i like to produce water a lil bit faster & changing membrains every 6 mts puts me off a lil bit....i will deffo look at that system....but heard a lot about the 40/40 @ the minute man ;)
Thank you fella,i appreciate the post man......
Hiya niceandclean mate ;)
Great input man....realy goood info for me man...
I would of bought another RO Man system, but they wouldn't sell me one, as about a month later they shut down.
was onto ro man & he still tradeing :o guy called roy going to sort me out....must be back in trade man....
Also niceandclean the 40/40 ro from ro man looked nice,attached to board ,tds meter built on...etc,but you say the 10" pre-filters you added,is that the blue sediment & carbon pre filters as i have two ov them spare??
Basicly i think i might go with the system from gaps
,but is it just the 40/40 membrain what makes this system what it is???could i not just buy houseing & membrain & im rocking or should i just pay for the full system??? & stop being a tight sod.... ;D
Thank you for your time niceandclean I appreciate ya help mate ;)
dont know wot to say now steve posted before i finished...LOL ;D
Hiya steve...good look fella wid da new setup man ;)
Im verry intrested in how ya go with it ;D
Gaps seems to have a good rep...its new to me i always used a merlin & needed booster pump to get the sod to 40psi min....but had it @ 70psi with booster...my psi is 20 :o
Been told water board keep it that low to prevent leaks.....(probaly bulls*it)..LOL
I ALWAYS thought you NEED high psi to run a ro...great stuff ;)
IMy tap tds is bout 500(ish) & water from merlin 60+... :'(
I need rid ov them dirty chemicals guy's....
big"THANK YOU" guy's...ya help is verry much appreciated
Kindest regards
justin
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk (http://www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk)
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I have 20 inch pre filters on the RO Man system, and i have 10 inch on the Gaps Water one.
RO Man shut down for a while, think it was due to family issues/illness? But they are fully up and running again.
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I am thinking about getting a 4040 too, I currently have a trolley system.
I looked around, and the cheapest i found was, suprisingly, ionics, £300 for a HF5 4040 membrane. (or more like £367 including vat and delivery but still)
http://www.ionicshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=230
still not sure the 4040 is the right one for me though.
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I have 20 inch pre filters on the RO Man system, and i have 10 inch on the Gaps Water one.
RO Man shut down for a while, think it was due to family issues/illness? But they are fully up and running again.
Hiya niceandclean mate ;)
forgot i'd even posted last night man...LOL...VODKA... ;D
Thank you for all your input mate...ya sound man ;)
I think im going to phone ro man about his 40/40 system & ask if it is the HF5-4040 membraneas everyone gives that a good rating,or maybee thats just the type ov ro,in that case he will have a giggle at me...LOL ;D
Just the ro mans system looks ideal,and tidy,think it comes on a board with flush kit on(i think) ;D
Thank you again niceand clean
Kind regards
Justin
I am thinking about getting a 4040 too, I currently have a trolley system.
I looked around, and the cheapest i found was, suprisingly, ionics, £300 for a HF5 4040 membrane. (or more like £367 including vat and delivery but still)
http://www.ionicshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=230
still not sure the 4040 is the right one for me though.
Hiya Nick mate...you in same boat as me then eh?...LOL
YA know mate.....i have 2 10" spare housings etc & i wondered if i should just buy the 40/40 membrain & houseing then add the 10" filters myself???????
If its just the 40/40 membrain that does all the work.....wot about just buying that???????
HMMMMMMM.....not sure tho 8)might feck summit.........wot do ya think man??
Kindest regards
Justin ;)
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The beauty of the RO Man system is it arrives in a big box, you fix the board to the wall, and just attach water to it.
And yes it has a flush kit on it.
My TDS averages around 370 out of the tap, and after RO after 3 years it averages around 12.
;D
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The beauty of the RO Man system is it arrives in a big box, you fix the board to the wall, and just attach water to it.
And yes it has a flush kit on it.
My TDS averages around 370 out of the tap, and after RO after 3 years it averages around 12.
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Hiya niceand clean man ;)
the ro man sound like the one for me mate...no disrespect to june from gaps,but,i will still have a chat to her & ro man.......
Just cannot be bothered fixing & playing about with more ro stuff man....its used up all my time latley...i blame merlin.....
i also think iv got a water softener in line if the price is right ...dont want to change them 40/40 membrains for at least 9 years...LOL ;D
Ya got a good RO niceandclean mate.....when i first bought my merlin it produced 35-40ppm and bin that way for years...even higher tds now & i just changed membrains...ya done well fella ;)
Hope to talk to ya soon dude
Ya sound man
Take care
Justin
www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk (http://www.clean-n-clearwindows.co.uk)
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I am thinking about getting a 4040 too, I currently have a trolley system.
I looked around, and the cheapest i found was, suprisingly, ionics, £300 for a HF5 4040 membrane. (or more like £367 including vat and delivery but still)
http://www.ionicshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=230
still not sure the 4040 is the right one for me though.
get one and you will never look at a domestic one again like 100gpd..300gpd so much time saver it makes no sence to pinch pennies on this IMO time is money.
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Hiya window washer dude ;)
YEP...yeah right man...
Going to go for the hf5 membrain,but full set up with flush kit etc from ro man probaly or gaps...gunna phone them now mate....
Everyone says that is the dogs.... ;D
Going to get the full set up as its got flush kit,built in tds etc.....easy work for me man ;D
Thank you mate
Kindest regards
Justin ;)
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as window washers says
HF5, BEST THING I EVER BOUGHT FOR MY BUSINESS
guess water pressure and tds determins how fast it produces pure, but for me 50 psi, 300 ish tds, 650 ltr tank filled in 3 hours without a booster pump
Simon
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Hiya guy's
Im going for the RO MAM 40/40... :)
Just bin talkin to roy from ro man & he said i need @ least 100psi to work system......EH!!!!! :o
I told him i needed a 1 for 30 ish psi & he said he will sort it out.....
Just waitin for him to ring back...hope he does......
Must be diffrent types of 40/40 membrains then eh?
Kindest regards
Justin
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If you only have a running pressure around 30psi you will need a booster pump for the RO to work well no matter which RO you choose. Otherwise production rate will be slow, waste high and water quality low.
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Hiya dd mate
i do expect to buy a small booster pump,but im sure some new 40/40 membrains run on low psi.......
I will still get a booster,but the 1 i got now is massive & load man....
Thank you mate
Kindest regards
Justin ;)
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If you only have a running pressure around 30psi you will need a booster pump for the RO to work well no matter which RO you choose. Otherwise production rate will be slow, waste high and water quality low.
The HF5 will work on 30psi, but i was told when i bought my RO Man system i needed at least 45psi. I would still add a booster anyway even if you go for a HF5.
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If you only have a running pressure around 30psi you will need a booster pump for the RO to work well no matter which RO you choose. Otherwise production rate will be slow, waste high and water quality low.
The HF5 will work on 30psi, but i was told when i bought my RO Man system i needed at least 45psi. I would still add a booster anyway even if you go for a HF5.
Hi again niceand clean......
I thought so man....good stuff in,it!!!!
I will buy a booster pump just to push it up a lil bit man....
Thanks again dude
Kind regards
Justin
P.S..http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=103288.0
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Here is my HF5 set up from Gaps. As you can see its very easy to set up. If you have 30psi as normal working pressure, you would probably be better to go with the HF5, then if your booster pump packs up, you can still produce water.
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Won't upload my JPEG for some reason? Sorry?
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LOL.......
I thought "were" :)
Thank you anyway niceandclean ;)
Just bin talking to lady @ gaps & she recons ...better not useing booster,not good for membrain....... ;)
Think i will order 1 tommorow,but im sure she recomened the hf4 for some reason....
Thanx again dude...ya sound man
Justin ;)
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If your working pressure is 30psi, she was probably trying to save you some money on a booster pump.
I would go for the HF5, its a bit more money than the HF4, but a better membrane.
I have emailed you that pic. Hope it helps.
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could i see too please?
nick.wareham@rocketmail.com
cheers!
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could i see too please?
nick.wareham@rocketmail.com
cheers!
Sent
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Niceandclean can you send me a copy please and ill try and upload it for you ;)
info@sajwindowcleaners.co.uk
Cheers
Stuart 8)
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Niceandclean can you send me a copy please and ill try and upload it for you ;)
info@sajwindowcleaners.co.uk
Cheers
Stuart 8)
Sent, thanks.
:)
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Here is niceandclean R.O setup
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w82/stuartcastles/get-attachment-4aspx.jpg)
Stuart
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Thats great guy's ;)
Thank you ;)
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peace ;)
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could i see too please?
nick.wareham@rocketmail.com
cheers!
Sent
nice and clean where did you get the john guest fitting from that go into the watee and in feed of ro also the ones that go in and out of the prefilteres, one more where did you get the pressure guages ?
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nice and clean where did you get the john guest fitting from that go into the watee and in feed of ro also the ones that go in and out of the prefilteres, one more where did you get the pressure guages ?
All from Gap's.
:)
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Hiya guys ;)
Got me system HF5 today exac the same as your setup nice&clean....LOL ;D
iv now got it up & running this time of night...ha ha...
Quite as out man.....i use to hear the big booster pump running loud as anything,plus hear water going to drain fast a anything......... ;)
Peacefull area now.....LOL ;D
Am i right in beliving this system works by turning waste outlet tap closed a bit @ a time
until u get the psi & tds you want?????
I ran water through system from tap & nothing came out of pure water pipe from ro...all was going to waste,until i closed waste water tap a lil bit,then...wham ,it fired up ;D all psi gauges rose to 30psi......i hope im right in this ???
Anyway ppm is nowdown to 32ppm......LOL....i love it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Have i ran this okay? or have i made a mistake in waste tap???
Thank you guy's & kind regards
Justin....the 40/40 man :D
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Here is niceandclean R.O setup
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w82/stuartcastles/get-attachment-4aspx.jpg)
Stuart
Hiya n&c mate....
wots your psi gauge reading on that pic ov your ro man????
my tds dropped to 29ppm now..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
wont sleep tonight now....get up early and tiun it straight on....probaly water flowers with water...LOL ;D
Kindest regards
justin ;)
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I have a booster pump on the system, but the first gauge is about 60 psi, and the out is 65-70 psi.
What is the tds from your tap? Your tds from the RO should be a lot lower than 29ppm? Mine at the moment is 10ppm.
The waste tap, you need to find the pure/waste ratio, i measure this into a jug, but anything will do, ie a bowl. Should say how to do all this on the instructions that you got from Gap's.
Are you going to use a pump on the system?
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Hiya nice andclean mate ;)
so you'v got a booster pump eh,mate! ;D
I turned water supply on & not a single bar ov pressure man....it was ALL going to drain & not a single drop from pure water ro outlet :'(
So i read instructions ,again..lol....and it told me to close waste tap slowley at first....That was it man.. ;D..psi rose a bit.....water running from pure outlet,seemed to be working a bit......
so i closed waster valve a bit more(as instructions said)and psi rose to 30 psi (thats with the waste nealy closed completely)& producing 32ppm @ first,then dropped after a hour or so to 29ppm.....you can imaging,even at that tds...i was happy ;D
So thats how i had to get system running......n&c mate...
Does this sound right to you man?????
Basicly i close waste water valve(not completley)& that rises pressure & makes system work.......???
Thank you my 40/40 brother....LOL
Take care dude
Kind regards
Justin
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What is your tap tds? Mine is around 350ish
Have you set up your waste ratio?
If you look at my waste tap, its almost closed, obviously the leaver down is flushing mode.
I think the tds out still seems high for a new RO? What order have you got the pre-filters?
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hiya agian n&c... ;)
my tap ppm is 500(ish)
not sure wot waster ratio is man :-[
did turn waste tap nealy right off until water @ its best ppm mate...the lever like yours n&c...
also mate,i think i have to carbon filter first,then the,i think sediment after that.....does this sound okay...??
I do have a verry hard water man :'(
Maybee system working okay....june said before i bought it,with my high tds water,i might get 30ppm.....was she spot on?????? :o
Just like to know iv got it working okay dude or if i would improve it somehow,pump etc...?????....
Thank you for ya time again man
Take care
Justin ;)
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QUICK POST ;D
RO water down to 12-14... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dconnnected di wid new resin.......im loving it guy's......
post morro
Take care
Justin ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Hiya fellas....All is just about sorted now....tds 12-14ppm...LOL....LOL....LOL
just attached 3/8 pipe to outlet ro,did have hozepipe....only problem is now is ya wont get a hozelock garden connector on a 3/8 pipe ::)need to attach di via hozelock......
Suppose i could jubilee bit 1/2' hose to 3/8 pipe.........then attach hozelock ???
Would work tho,but it'd be nice n tidy to get a connector,3/8pushfit one end & hozelock the other :)
Anyone know who could possibly sell them....looked @ john guest,but not sure guy's
Any help is appreciated....
Take care
Justin ;)