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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: roundbuilder on May 27, 2010, 10:42:20 pm
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???I scrub then rinse which i thought was the norm. What the hell does rinsing on the glass mean or is it what i already do
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its keeping the brush on the glass when rinsing, rather than lifting the brush off a couple of inches then rinsing off
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Whats do people on here think of the green unger brush?
ive not used many diffrent brushes but had Gardiners superlite used it a few times could not get on with it.
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Whats do people on here think of the green unger brush?
ive not used many diffrent brushes but had Gardiners superlite used it a few times could not get on with it.
you sellin it lad ??? ;D ;D ;D
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???I scrub then rinse which i thought was the norm. What the hell does rinsing on the glass mean or is it what i already do
Scrub is not the word I would use to describe the cleaning of regularly cleaned window. I think of it more like moving a dirt particle, and letting the water wash it down and off the bottom of the glass. All the work the brush really has to do is move the particle from it's original position, and the water that follows will take care of the rest.
Rinsing on the glass means keeping the brush on the glass, and dear knows why anyone would want to work any other way.
Does anyone know who started rinsing with the brush off the glass in the first place? I mean someone must have came up with the idea first. Or should I ask anyone who rinses with the brush off the glass, what made you start doing this? Did the person supplying you with your system tell you that was the procedure? Or was it the local window cleaner that showed you his system, and showed you how to use it?
Peter
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???I scrub then rinse which i thought was the norm. What the hell does rinsing on the glass mean or is it what i already do
Scrub is not the word I would use to describe the cleaning of regularly cleaned window. I think of it more like moving a dirt particle, and letting the water wash it down and off the bottom of the glass. All the work the brush really has to do is move the particle from it's original position, and the water that follows will take care of the rest.
Rinsing on the glass means keeping the brush on the glass, and dear knows why anyone would want to work any other way.
Does anyone know who started rinsing with the brush off the glass in the first place? I mean someone must have came up with the idea first. Or should I ask anyone who rinses with the brush off the glass, what made you start doing this? Did the person supplying you with your system tell you that was the procedure? Or was it the local window cleaner that showed you his system, and showed you how to use it?
Peter
I rinse on and off the glass.
When I started I found rinsing off easier and a better finish defo more so on first cleans.
I think alot depends on the brush you use if rinsing on and confidence that it will be ok.
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I would love to rinse on but i have no confidence.
What about the dirt on your brush, surely there is an affect on the quality?
I know you do a lot of comercial stuff Peter and i can understand you rinsing on in that situ, but would you recomend rinsing on on houses mate?
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Dirt on your brush?
Dont you clean it, flick any crud off, doesnt water run through the bristles to rinse them off too, dont you hand clean it every now and then anyway?
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Dirt on your brush?
Dont you clean it, flick any crud off, doesnt water run through the bristles to rinse them off too, dont you hand clean it every now and then anyway?
It does with fan jets, not so much with pencil jets.
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I would love to rinse on but i have no confidence.
What about the dirt on your brush, surely there is an affect on the quality?
I know you do a lot of comercial stuff Peter and i can understand you rinsing on in that situ, but would you recomend rinsing on on houses mate?
A window is a window whether it is on a commercial building. a house, a foot off the ground, or 60 foot up, they are all the same, and should be cleaned to the same standard.
When the brush is working on the glass it is the same as the window being rinsed with the pure water. Now supposing your brush is dirty before you start cleaning the window, which it isn't but lets say it is, as soon as the water starts to flow through it the brush along with the window is being cleaned. The brush bristles don't absorb or hold dirt, all they do like I said earlier is move a particle from it's fixed position, and the water will wash it away.
There is a few things that will stick to the brush one of them being spiders webs, and when they do they stay on the brush until you pull them off, they don't smear over the glass like they do with the applicator and soapy water. They don't even cause a problem if you leave them on, just pick them off after a few windows. Another thing is leaves and organic matter, and a quick flick of the bristles with your hand while the water is running, will knock any off the brush.
Peter
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i wos in london last week end and two lads wer washing 40 ft and rinceing of the glass with a flocked ovel , next day i wos waking passt and wife says it wos this ofice thay cleaning look at the mess youd never gess they wor cleaning that yesterday
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my thoughts after some years is if using fan jets due to over spray and higher flow rate need to make them work properly rinse in on the glass works well due to flow rate and no risk of hitting vent, i use no four an half on my flow control with fan jets it flows down the glass nice,
use in 1.5mm pencil jets on setting two an a half on flow control its a good rinse i found pencil to be my first choice i rinse off the glass or tilt brush an rinse, with pencil you do save more water than fans slower to work with than fans but it is controllable around vents and i think its a better finish not by much but fans sometimes can leave the odd little bit behind but maybe when dry you wouldn't see them its only due to wet glass is that you see them,
i use both i use fans for 30 plus foot and rinse on due to height, an use 1.5mm pencils for normal daily use even if its slower its not a race, its down to personal thing really some like it one way some like it the other way an some like to be awkward
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???I scrub then rinse which i thought was the norm. What the hell does rinsing on the glass mean or is it what i already do
Scrub is not the word I would use to describe the cleaning of regularly cleaned window. I think of it more like moving a dirt particle, and letting the water wash it down and off the bottom of the glass. All the work the brush really has to do is move the particle from it's original position, and the water that follows will take care of the rest.
Rinsing on the glass means keeping the brush on the glass, and dear knows why anyone would want to work any other way.
Does anyone know who started rinsing with the brush off the glass in the first place? I mean someone must have came up with the idea first. Or should I ask anyone who rinses with the brush off the glass, what made you start doing this? Did the person supplying you with your system tell you that was the procedure? Or was it the local window cleaner that showed you his system, and showed you how to use it?
Peter
Hi Peter.
I usually rinse "off" the glass except when it would cause too much physical strain not to (e.g. high work or work at awkard angles).
I've not put this to the test but the info I was given indicated that spotting could occur more easily (particularly near the tops of the panes) unless the pure water hit the glass after the bristles. This may well have been true with the brushes I used back then but perhaps not so now. Some brushes I have used tended to retain "bits" - particularly the Bentley ones. I no longer use these anyway. I found that sometimes these bits could remain on the glass near the top unless they were flushed with a quick extra rinse off the glass.
With some jobs I rinse with one end of the brush on the glass to support it - in a way that makes the water hit the glass after the bristles.
Now, with early possible symptoms of carpal tunnel syndrome brewing, I'm looking at ways of easing the strain on my body. So I'm going to start rinsing with brush on the glass and see how it goes.
Would you say that me using microbore may be working against me due to having a lower flow rate than half inch hose? My feeling is that rinsing on the glass is better done with a high flow rate.
I would appreciate your input on this as I am looking at adapting the way I work (again :) ).
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Agree with peter,
I thought you were all experianced window cleaners?
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Who phoned dial-a-twit?
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I knew nothing about wfp, so when i purchased my trolley It was Andy at Purefreedom showed me to rub window then rinse off with the brush off the glass, ive never done anything else, i thought it was the norm, but i'll try anything to make me life a tad easier. :P
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Thanks for the info Peter
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using my sl-x at height is no problem rinsing off the glass, its so light, but if it happens to be very windy, i rinse on, but i do rinse of 95% of the time
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It looks like it could be Pure Freedom that is responsible for so many people rinsing with the brush off the glass, but I bet someone showed Andy to do it that way in the first place.
peter
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Who phoned dial-a-twit?
;D ;D
daz
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i rinse brush on with 2mm pencil jets and a high flow , a good brush and a high flow is the key to rinsing brush on, however on some problem windows that bead badly , i raise brush just off glass to rinse, and on first cleans i also rinse brush off, once you get used to it , it is really quick, i also clean my brush when needed on a lower part of frame , before moving brush to top of window to clean as normal, i only need to do that if sills are particulary dirty.
daz
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Rinse brush off.......you must be joking ;D
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Who phoned dial-a-twit?
Your the twit rinsing of the glass lol
Here`s how to use a water fed pole link below!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_srS3QRPnE&feature=channel
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Rinse off as much as possible for me. Even rinsing off I don't believe wfp is the perfect method of cleaning. If you've got fan jets on the top of the brush then I see no need to lift the brush 'cos pure water will always be the last thing on the glass.
I've only ever used pencils.
Of course if your going around blading the glass anyway then it makes no difference - might as well use a bog brush, a dirty one at that. ::)
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might as well use a bog brush, a dirty one at that.
Would that be rinsing on or of the glass ;D
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Who phoned dial-a-twit?
Your the twit rinsing of the glass lol
Here`s how to use a water fed pole link below!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_srS3QRPnE&feature=channel
Maybe, but at least I don't blade it afterwards.
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guys you need to remember, when we all started years ago, there was no light poles, it was mainly all heavy glassfibre poles, and rinsing off the glass was a killer at height, now that poles are getting so light, what is the issue with rinsing off the glass, if you feel comfortable doing this, why not, but what i would recommend is rinsing on the glass, if you work above 30ft as gravity makes the pole heavier, sl-x or not,
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but at least I don't blade it afterwards.
No you don`t paul so how do you deal with a problem window because no matter what method you use you will get them!
If by blading solves that problem am i being stupid!
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guys you need to remember, when we all started years ago, there was no light poles, it was mainly all heavy glassfibre poles, and rinsing off the glass was a killer at height, now that poles are getting so light, what is the issue with rinsing off the glass, if you feel comfortable doing this, why not, but what i would recommend is rinsing on the glass, if you work above 30ft as gravity makes the pole heavier, sl-x or not,
I certainly don't have an issue with people rinsing off the glass. If people want to take longer and make things harder for themselves, then that is entirely up to themselves. I will every now and again though suggest to people that there is an alternative way that will save them time and water. Usually after a topic like this there is at least one person who gives the alternative a try and likes it enough to change over for good.
Answer me this one though Jouk, are the windows you clean above 30 foot cleaned to the same standard as a window cleaned at 15 foot? Anyone else that changes their rinse habit due to height feel free to answer.
If the answer is yes to the question above, then I rest my case.
If the answer is no then you are doing your customers a disservice, and you really should be changing your technique so that all windows are cleaned to the same high standard, whether they are on the ground or above 30 foot.
Peter
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might as well use a bog brush, a dirty one at that.
Would that be rinsing on or of the glass ;D
;)
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peter, since i have used the sl-x, which is a very stiff pole, i can get good scrubbing power, yes my work at 30ft is very good, also i take a bit longer to clean them if they really are dirty, i also send the young lad up and give me the thumbs up if they are good, if not, i do it again, its true what you are saying, it does take longer above 30ft, what i should have said, was, i rinse off on all domestic work, above 25ft i rinse on the glass, reason i rinse of the glass on domestic, is i do the frames, becouse i use pencil jets, i get into all the corners to flush the dirt down the side frames, rinsing on the glass misses all these parts, if you dont do frames, then this is ok