Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: windymiller on May 23, 2010, 12:54:41 am
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Jason: Do sponsors have control over posts on this forum?
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Of course they do otherwise Matt would still be here ;)
I think they tolerate the odd complaint or two provided it's not posted by anyone who has any influence over sales.
Matt was on here for a long time and was the man for DIY he even had his own site set up to help start ups with little money. Jeff Brimble is another master of DIY. Many new cleaners look up to these guys when they start out and tend to stick with them. Jeff was using home made poles up to eighty feet years ago for less than a third of the price of suppliers poles.
These chaps are a thorn in the side of the big suppliers but little could be done. However, Matt overstepped the mark by actually criticising Ionics (due to being drawn into arguments with an Ionics poster who seems to have vanished).
Jason then had his chance and a good reason to get rid of Matt and ban him from the site. The fact that Matt has set up another site is even more reason to keep him away from here.
Alex was another who by his own honesty and genuine friendly nature cleverly used the site to push his sales along and must have been a nightmare for the mods - he had to go sooner or later or pay to advertise. So along came 'Ewan' Designed to specifically attack gardiners products.
He's gone now along with all his posts - how strange is that?
Other suppliers have tried to use the site to sell their products - look at Glyn from Omnipole - he tried hard but had the skills of a football hooligan when it came to salesmanship. He actually seemed to work backwards and effectively put people off dealing with him.
My guess is that unless you pay the large fee to advertise then you will be banned sooner or later.
At the end of the day it's all about money.
It's been a good three years on here for me but it aint what it used to be.
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put a post up and find out :P :P
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Of course they do otherwise Matt would still be here ;)
I think they tolerate the odd complaint or two provided it's not posted by anyone who has any influence over sales.
Matt was on here for a long time and was the man for DIY he even had his own site set up to help start ups with little money. Jeff Brimble is another master of DIY. Many new cleaners look up to these guys when they start out and tend to stick with them. Jeff was using home made poles up to eighty feet years ago for less than a third of the price of suppliers poles.
These chaps are a thorn in the side of the big suppliers but little could be done. However, Matt overstepped the mark by actually criticising Ionics (due to being drawn into arguments with an Ionics poster who seems to have vanished).
Jason then had his chance and a good reason to get rid of Matt and ban him from the site. The fact that Matt has set up another site is even more reason to keep him away from here.
Alex was another who by his own honesty and genuine friendly nature cleverly used the site to push his sales along and must have been a nightmare for the mods - he had to go sooner or later or pay to advertise. So along came 'Ewan' Designed to specifically attack gardiners products.
He's gone now along with all his posts - how strange is that?
Other suppliers have tried to use the site to sell their products - look at Glyn from Omnipole - he tried hard but had the skills of a football hooligan when it came to salesmanship. He actually seemed to work backwards and effectively put people off dealing with him.
My guess is that unless you pay the large fee to advertise then you will be banned sooner or later.
At the end of the day it's all about money.
It's been a good three years on here for me but it aint what it used to be.
I didn't realise that Ewan was a Gardinerbot.
Ewan used to post about all sorts of stuff (some relevant, some not). Although I think he was wrong about Gardiner's business style, I do believe that he was stating his opinion rather than being a toady for another company(ies).
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Lad's the sun out, it's going to be 28 degrees, have a few cold one's and a monster BBQ. Chill out it's Sunday.
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Lad's the sun out, it's going to be 28 degrees, have a few cold one's and a monster BBQ. Chill out it's Sunday.
dont drink to much steve,has you know you cant handle it.
ps my phones is switch off :P
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im off 2the beach again 2day with the family ;D just chillin, crabbin & catchin some rays 8) 8) 8)
my work head will go on at 9o'clock 2morrow morn ;)
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but i am very interested in the answers tho ;D ;D ;D
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Lad's the sun out, it's going to be 28 degrees, have a few cold one's and a monster BBQ. Chill out it's Sunday.
I wish i could, i promised to tile me nieces kitchen floor today :(
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Hey Ewan, thought you had forgotten about CIU. How long did it take you to delete more than 4000 posts? Why not the other 81? Wouldn't it have been easier to delete your account and start again?
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;D ;D
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No I can't. I'm not WFP yet, so all the suppliers and mod stuff went un-noticed by me. I've noticed a change in the mood of CIU, I also lost interest abit and joined Matt's forum aswell. I've only been on here a short time, but the last 2 or 3 months have seen alot of regular posters leave or not log on for weeks.
So I can't say what has changed or why. I can only say that the friendly air of the place has thinned alot. Glad you're back though, you make the rest of us seem normal.
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Tell yourself mate, you're a member.
New CIU? Nah, who would open a forum and let it's members feel like they have to watch what they say? There are lots of forums out there, some better than others. Matt's forum only lost 1 member, that was Dave Morris, he left for his own reasons I would have thought.
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This made me smile.
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/hitlershoover.wmv
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This made me smile.
http://www.oakleywindowcleaning.co.uk/hitlershoover.wmv
ONLY SMILE??? OMG that is superb!!!! I have still got tears in my eyes from laughing.... TOTAL CLASS!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dan
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fantastic lol ;D ;D ;D ;D
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that vids been round for awhile but still makes me
laugh every time i see it
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Lad's the sun out, it's going to be 28 degrees, have a few cold one's and a monster BBQ. Chill out it's Sunday.
Dunno about chilling out. I've been working today. Did nearly half a day. Did the outsides of some commercials that can be tricky to do during the week.
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Tell yourself mate, you're a member.
New CIU? Nah, who would open a forum and let it's members feel like they have to watch what they say? There are lots of forums out there, some better than others. Matt's forum only lost 1 member, that was Dave Morris, he left for his own reasons I would have thought.
Somebody using the same name? It’s not me if that’s the case.
Yes ‘New CIU’ window cleaners having there say openly just like the ‘Old CIU’ and not the ‘Current CIU’. If you CIU what I mean. A forum with down to earth views, comments, recommendations and most importantly there own opinion about our trade from the people who count the ‘window cleaners’, some with a clue and some without a clue, throw into the mix a few suppliers and manufacturers, trade representatives and the occasional voyeur and a couple of nut jobs and you have yourself a full bodied forum.
Let me know when it takes shape.
All the best
Your well adjusted window cleaner: “Ewan”
Ewan I think your famous on here for 48 hours, your even mentioned in a poll. ;D
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You know alot about it for someone who isn't a member, can't imagine why someone else would use your ID mate. Who cares on here if another forum starts up? There are about 100,000 window cleaners in UK i would think. 19500 are members on here.
Most don't log on anymore and the avarage amount of members online each day is between 200 to 250, and half of those are carpet cleaners!!
So a forum that starts up now, and doesn't get all stroppy with it's members can't really miss, can it? :D Because this one might be the biggest, but the heads of at least 2 of it's mods are the biggest of all, and I don't mean Ian Giles.
What's that word you use so often? Complacency. That's the killer. ::)
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Since joining this forum I think there have been more posts about the forum than the cleaning.
WOW! Why is that?
If someone on here censors/deletes posts which are neither offensive, with swearing, rascist, antagonistic or plain rude then they are making a mistake; why cant the members be allowed to make their own minds up?
We are grown ups.
Im 47, an adult. I can decide for myself perfectly well which posts or conversations are appropriate and sensible or do the hierarchy here think we aren't capable of that and that we're just plain stupid?
If they can't see that they dont deserve our presence here.
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The only reason that this thread has got to answer number 26 is because the delete monster is having a kip or is on holiday. Wait untill one the general "Hauptquartier" Hauptmann von Bollokmensch reads this. For us "ze var ist over"
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Ghoot lukk!
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highly funny, glyn should have laughed at that vid the first time round,
Ouch a peanut m&m has just come up waching that lmao
,it should have a health and safety warning on it.
God my belly hurts, lol makes me cry this video, fantastic Matt B, pure class .
Total respect......
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still waiting 4 some real answers tho ::) been out all day 8) come home & still none the wiser
with wot is goin on with this place ::) u can get deleted quicker on here than u can get an answer ::)
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this place has more faces than the town clock LOL
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where the post about forum rules gone, has it been deleted
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I think someone had it with their kebab on Friday night ;)
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i laffed till i cryed is really funny ;D ;D ;D ;D
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PMSL, Phantom poster! That's what we need. ;D Bateman will be behind it though. ;)
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PMSL, Phantom poster! That's what we need. ;D Bateman will be behind it though. ;)
;D
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On another thread Ewan says how great it was to meet Ian at windex, in other words , my theory is nonsence because clearly he does exist.
The odd thing is ww says he can't remember any such meeting.
As some of you other guys have said you'd think we'd have better things to do..... well i admitt this is a bit anorakish.If the site has changed hands, and for PR reasons it's been handled a little differently this would explain a lot.
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Twighlight zone.
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why hasnt jason responded, or a least a mod
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As soon as they get back from hols, one of 'em will. ;) Got my bag packed ready.
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As soon as they get back from hols, one of 'em will. ;) Got my bag packed ready.
;D ;D ;D u me & a dozzen others ;D
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and still no answers fom the mods !!
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2busy hiding behind there key boards ;D cant wait 2c wot they reply with ;D
i bet they thought this had all gone away LOL ;D ;D ;D
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ive not seen u on the other side ??? ave u got a diff name over there ???
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Have we not been down this road before, and before and before.
Boring
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What about Dirty Den coming back from the dead, that was, well, that was something.......anyway.
Skullduggery maybe. I dont know.
Perhaps it was a conspiracy theory. Who was Moriarty anyway? He wern't in Eastenders was he?
Ewan was I bet.
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For those that find this subject "Boring" then don't read the post. For the others thinking that the likes of Matt is being paranoid for the way he's been treated then can you answer exactly what he done to deserve a ban ? The guy has giving over his time to countless window cleaners to offer advice and to try and save them a few quid. But because the order of the day on here now seems to be to steer you towards the big companies where the will happily take your money.
If like me you are on a limited budget then guys like matt and macmac(and others) are an asset, they can advise and offer help to put you on the right path without needlessly spending thousands of pounds.
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For those that find this subject "Boring" then don't read the post. For the others thinking that the likes of Matt is being paranoid for the way he's been treated then can you answer exactly what he done to deserve a ban ? The guy has giving over his time to countless window cleaners to offer advice and to try and save them a few quid. But because the order of the day on here now seems to be to steer you towards the big companies where the will happily take your money.
If like me you are on a limited budget then guys like matt and macmac(and others) are an asset, they can advise and offer help to put you on the right path without needlessly spending thousands of pounds.
HERE HERE! WELL SAID! ;) Murdie ;)
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Money talks mate.
Money comes between friends.
The root of all evil.
Some become blinded by it.
You wont get an answer, greed is ugly, simples.
Shame really, because we're expected to follow a few rules on here but they egotistically think they dont have to, bit arrogant really, rude for ignoring the thread, rude for ignoring the question, they wouldnt ignore you in the street if you asked them to clean your carpets.
It is this kind of attitude that will slowly erode this forum, a lot of damage has been done to it in the last 6 months. It used to be the place that you would recommend to someone, now the other forums get the nod.
It is a simple question IMO regarding the initial post in the thread, but an answer? No way josé.
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Ewan, these systems are designed for one thing and that is to pump pure water up a pole and onto a window. Now some may have a more powerfull pump or higher spec flow control, some may offer a hot water system or recycle the waste R/O water. But it's up to the individual to decide what is going to be best for them and by not allowing matt to champion the diy route then guys are being denied advice on this option.
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Do sponsors have control over posts on this forum?
simple answer, NO
They have a right to report a post just like anyone else though, just because they are suppliers doesnt mean they can receive worse treatment than any other member.
If you asked the question direct to admin they would have answered.
I have been on holiday, and been busy with paperwork since I got back, I don't know where Ian is, and I am prety sure Jason would of answered if he saw this post.
We are a friendly bunch who run our own businesses, there is no conspiricys, we DON'T think we are better than anyone else, we do NOT favour any supplier or give any supplier preferencial treatment.
If it were the case that certain suppliers were pulling the strings, then I would let you know.
contrary to popular belief the moderators are Humans, we do have an heart and we try to treat everyone fairly.
Thanks
Dave
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on a brighter note.... did u have a good holiday David? 8)
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yes thanks Paul
Got the tummy bug as did the rest of the hotel, got bitten to death by the mossys, nearly got divorced, and killed but everythings fine now.
a really good holiday though, would thoroughly reccommend it
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That's mute.
But based on empirical observation, take a wild guess.
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Who are the owners of CIU Dave?
wish that question was asked 3 pages ago :-\
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That's mute.
But based on empirical observation, take a wild guess.
you dont know that for sure though :P
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Ewan
Milke still owns the forum, Jason was brought in to run things and try to move the forum along financially.
that is the impression I get, but not 100% certain
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That's fair.
If you look at the economic climate there are a couple of things where there is a bit of a gold rush going on- and suppliers of wfp start ups happens to be one.
Ten grand a system, and hundreds are being sold. It's silly money, if i was in that game i would buy this site faster than you can say fill your boots.
Access to newbs and inquiring people doing some due diligence is worth a fortune because one company makes so much sence.You either spend two years on here becoming an expert, or you do the senisible thing and buy the system with the built in expertise.
The economic case for this is so overwhelming.