Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: TLC on May 22, 2010, 12:57:02 am
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Heard some stories about bulgarian and polish and other eastern european guys doin to window cleaning what they have done to car washing. Anyone seen evidence of this type of movement?
If so should we be worried? Your thoughts please......
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no in wrexham id eat em like maccy dee s ;D ;D ;D
then use bulgarians as tooth picks ;D ;D ;D
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i picked up a big house recently, the old cleaner had a polish fella working with him, the customer said that although he worked hard he just couldnt trust him to be on the property. I cant see them taking many customers really unless they work for someone else as the majority of them cant even speak english so how will they canvass ;D
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stevo u got out 4 me m8????????????
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stevo u got out 4 me m8????????????
if you need work mate then were all in trouble ;D
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They wouldn't be able to canvass, and dont think many people would want them all over their property while they were out. Plus next time your at one of the car wash places, calculate their hourly rate, don't think they would mess about undercutting WC's!
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its lucky that the east europeans havnt got a grasp on the window cleaning game, it really is . ive known a few lithuanians and once they sense money , they work like Trojans .
as said above they most likely cant get a foothold with the canvassing ,and their strange eyes means theyre often distrusted .over time those eyes will mix with our British blood but hopefully i will be retired by then ! I HOPE !!
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jeez- that means they ARE ALREADY getting in on this game
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its not just cheap foreigners, what about the cheap british, u know the type, 3 bed houses for a 5 do 6 then off pub, they will all be getting the ladders and scrim out now the sun is here, work till oct then jack it in, tehn turn up to there custys next may
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I always think if you look smart, turn up when you say you will, do a good job for a fair price....Then the customer drops you as someone will do the job for a £1 less then these customers are not worth having.
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Lots of them at it round here but they tend not to undercut, in fact they charge top price, they are grafters alright - no doubt about that.
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I've worked with & employed Polish, brazilian, russian & latvian workers and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the vast majority of them put us guys to shame. They work harder, are more reliable & more trustworthy than many local workers. Of course they aren't all like that, you do still get one or 2 bad apples, but its the same with any nationality.
I doubt they're going to "take over" any time soon though because of the prevalent attitude (as displayed here) of mistrust towards foreign workers. They do find it much harder to get work (and gaining work as a self-employed cleaner would undoubtedly be harder again), and often get paid less for doing the same job. I wonder how we'd be treated if we wanted to go to their country to work?
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they got looking busy down to a fine art-look busy when someones watching
but when you look at what they achieve at the end of the day the work is often inferior and not a lot has been done
theyve ruined there respective counties now they are doing it to ours
they can afford to work for a lower rate as there is 6 to a bed -
you wiil also spend more of your own time re-doing work and supervising there works--
a lot of people are afraid to say what they really think
they are no good for this countries economy
there are millions of illegals here putting nothing into this countries future
they are all lazy i wouldnt employ any of them
also i spent 7 years working in germany and holland
when thatcher killed the british economy
doing work that the germans and dutch couldnt
or wouldnt
even there i wouldnt employ the turks or poles to stupid and lazy
i paid my taxes there spent my money in there shops and bars--do they here
thats what we should do here only give then the jobs where a national cannot fill
that would also get all the doleites benefit scroungers back to work
ie less benefits to pay for less tax
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i don't care if they are hard working , honest- whatever , simple fact is they are taking work from british workers , have a mate who runs a valeting company , he said he is lucky to get a quarter of the work he used to, blames the cheap car washes all over the place,
i won't go to one , why give them your money, enabling them to stay?, lot's of people moan about them, then take their cars /vans to their cheap car washes ???
have a relative living in jersey , he has told me that the influx of polish workers has had a drastic effect on work there , he is in the building game,
i was there recently , and got talking to a bus driver from liverpool, he moved there over 20 yrs ago , and because of the polish invasion, is considering moving back,
and before anyone jumps on my back , i am not racist, but we as a country simply cannot withstand mass imigration
daz
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i also think all the how much for this topics on here , and bragging is making it easy for them,
daz
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im the first to omit ill send them all back home
but you cant knock them for finding a easy touch
its the governments fault and its to late to do anything about it
agencies are to blame as well particulally in the service cleaning and construction sectors
they are creaming it
why pay a brit 8 quid when a pole will work for min wage
massive margins for them---parasites
the prospective employer has to get over the language barrier etc when one turns up
they dont care
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Didnt we cover this one about 2 years ago, prior to all the Polish going home when the banks went belly up?
Its all hearsay, Id say 50% of the posts on here are generated from 'some bloke I met down the pub'.
Apparently you cant wear England boxer shorts anymore in a public place on a Sunday if you have a lib-dem council and the local chief of police is a transvestite who allows pubs to be known as Free Houses, even if the 'Free' doesnt refer to price but free choice of ale stocked. Thats what Harry-Half-Inch said last night down at The Three Dogs anyway, must be true; he reads The Sport.
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First of all e-newlands,
You are the biggest hypocrite; I would have thought working in Europe would have educated you and made you understand that after all we live in the 21 century. Obviously not!
As regards to employing foreign workers, do you think that international, multimillion, cleaning and construction companies are so stupid to employ people who are so useless as you describe? I think not, what you will find is that the reason why they actually do employ what you all describe as “foreign workers” is because they are truly hard working people and make their businesses thrive from the ground up.
Those who you refer to as “foreign workers” actually have the same rights as you and me to be over here and work. We have joined EU to be a European multi international country; however it is obvious to me that the traditional mentality of British people is getting in the way of development of this country and its economy.
At what point do the British workforce think they are above everyone else? The reason why polish and other Eastern European people come over here to work is because there is plenty of work for them. The jobs which British people won’t do! Ask anyone who wants to work as a cleaner, labourer on construction site or as an Au Pair? They all turn their nose up to it, why? Because they think they are better than that, when most of them leave school uneducated and unable to write or speak accurately.
Overall in my opinion, every employer must choose their workers by their abilities and skills not their colour of skin race, gender or age. We do live in the 21 century after all!
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Lets not turn this forum into a racist site, we are Europeans as well as being British.
sorry mate but at what point was there a racist comment? no-one is being racist here as far as i can see
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I've worked with & employed Polish, brazilian, russian & latvian workers and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the vast majority of them put us guys to shame. They work harder, are more reliable & more trustworthy than many local workers. Of course they aren't all like that, you do still get one or 2 bad apples, but its the same with any nationality.
I doubt they're going to "take over" any time soon though because of the prevalent attitude (as displayed here) of mistrust towards foreign workers. They do find it much harder to get work (and gaining work as a self-employed cleaner would undoubtedly be harder again), and often get paid less for doing the same job. I wonder how we'd be treated if we wanted to go to their country to work?
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Here here, british jobs for british workers. One of my custys told me this week that one of them was canvassing in the street i clean. Her house i price at £10, he said he is happy to do it for £3.50 - thats the problem there, not the fact they are foreign and what it will do long term - i've seen it in the construction industry and its not nice.
All these do gooders going on about EU this EU that are not helping either by paying them a pittance. Come the revolution.
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My Mother arrived in the UK in 1969 as someone who could hardly speak English, and started off working in a sweat shop making clothes. Despite the Geordie 'waster' she married, she ended up with a top quality job and made a small fortune - by being smart and working a few different jobs (four of them) at the same time in a niche market - and retired early as quite an affluent woman.
It's a class country the UK! The best country in the World!
;D
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Dash t you aint got a clue I went to germany not through choice but necessity as there was no work here I worked for both dutch and german companies as our shills were required they were advertising in the uk as they never had the skills to handle or do the works with their own labourthese eastern europeands come to the uk with no skills that are in demand all they are doing is adding to what is already a labour pool where currently there is not enough jobs for the workers I filled a labour shortage paid my taxes in germany rented a house of a german drank and shopped in german bars as well as supporting my. Family in the uk
I never once raped the state they they do
20 to a house paid from benefits free medical and health care and we even give them a few quid to go back
You aint got a clue dash t one more thing I never claimed anything whilst I was there and came home as soon as I could I also hated every minute of it ithere were many like me who decided the dole was not for them at that time
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The way I see it a country should look after its own workers first bring in from other countries if skills are neededand get rid of all the freeloaders its as simple as that
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get rid of all the freeloaders its as simple as that
I agree, but what about our own home-grown freeloaders?
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The way I see it a country should look after its own workers first bring in from other countries if skills are neededand get rid of all the freeloaders its as simple as that
So true mate
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Heard some stories about bulgarian and polish and other eastern european guys doin to window cleaning what they have done to car washing. Anyone seen evidence of this type of movement?
If so should we be worried? Your thoughts please......
where are you mate
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Dash t you aint got a clue I went to germany not through choice but necessity as there was no work here I worked for both dutch and german companies as our shills were required they were advertising in the uk as they never had the skills to handle or do the works with their own labourthese eastern europeands come to the uk with no skills that are in demand all they are doing is adding to what is already a labour pool where currently there is not enough jobs for the workers I filled a labour shortage paid my taxes in germany rented a house of a german drank and shopped in german bars as well as supporting my. Family in the uk
I never once raped the state they they do
20 to a house paid from benefits free medical and health care and we even give them a few quid to go back
You aint got a clue dash t one more thing I never claimed anything whilst I was there and came home as soon as I could I also hated every minute of it ithere were many like me who decided the dole was not for them at that time
The thing is I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously need educating and I don’t have time to do that. If you really knew how the system works and what those people have to do before they can even claim a penny, then you wouldn’t be saying this.
Most of people who come over here are 10 times more educated then many people in the UK, they are just not given a chance, because of hypocrites like yourself. Therefore they go out and find jobs they can, to support their families just like you did by going to Germany. I’m sorry but I’m not going to accept that there was only a dole option available to you. Why didn’t you get a cleaner’s job at the time and worked for the minimum wage? No you obviously thought you was better than that and therefore went to Germany so you could provide better living standards for your family. Would you work for minimum wage here and live in poverty or would you leave Britain to earn a better living?
We all like to judge, but when you put in that situation, what would you do?
It’s exactly same for those people who come over here, to earn a living and provide food for their families; it’s unfortunate that they cannot do that in their own country. Do you think they really want to live in the community full of people like you? Those who cannot accept that they help British economy and pay their taxes just like you.
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Home grown freeloaders thousands of them stop all there benefits work or starve see how many bad backs disappear over night
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The difference was my skills were needed and as I was on army bases mainly technically I was still in the uk
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The aussies have it right only let in thoes needed otherwise don't unpack your going back
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Tamson's_Bairns
:)
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Would you work for minimum wage here and live in poverty
Interesting.
Happy for them to be here on minimum wage living in poverty.
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to E newlands, - you slag off the poles for sending money home, then admit to doing it yourself?
ive only had one problem with an eastern european, who turned up to clean my custs house, was turned away thankfully, but could have been an honest mistake.
my problem isnt with foreigners, its with undercutters, and that has happened only with my fellow country men!
btw i hate bigoted bnp types!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Tamson's_Bairns
:)
;) :D
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Tamson's_Bairns
:)
;) :D
8)
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why do we need foreigion labour when we have 2million unemployed of are own work force.
and that is living in the 21 century.
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Put it this way,i was a sprayer and my wife was a flock coating operative.Both worked for the same company.me 8 years and my wife 3 years ,i worked even when i was on the sick+holidays and sometime 50+
hours aweek.I was on £12.85 p/h wife on £8.55 p/h.Soon as i had trained the polish up to do the job i was doing ,me and my wife was made redundant as well as 2 other staff .They now work for the min wage and the only english worker there is the van driver.
So i do agree british jobs for british workers first ,,if the vacancy cant be filled then it must be offered to foreign
workers.
I do not blame the foreign workers,but what happned to me is happening most places,they can afford to work for min wage as they can still claim child benifit and tax credits for their children living back home in their country
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why do we need foreigion labour when we have 2million unemployed of are own work force.
and that is living in the 21 century.
Because those 2 million people do not want to work for the minimum wage or just above and fulfil those jobs. It's easier for them to stop at home and do nothing. If all those people was forced to work then no eastern european people would come over here, as they would be non of these jobs for them to fulfil. Common sense!
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Ok, thanks for all the input guys, positive, and what i would call negative.
I believe that poles, bulgarians, lithuanians etc in general do work very hard and do a good job, thats why they make a success of washing cars. Any complaints anyone has with them being here should be directed at our government NOT with them. I think there is a huge lack of hard working brits, because it often doesnt pay to work hard with our benefits system. Stupid governments fault ofcourse. These foreign workers know the value of money and what it means to their families back home who dont have the chance to work hard or earn much. who wouldnt do this for their family if u had 2?
For those of us who do work hard and have businesses to care for,,, i think it is a concern when people are prepared to do the same job, maybe better, for much less money. If the general attitude of our custies is that they dont want foreigners on their property, and thats the only thing holding them back from getting the job done at half or a 3rd of the price, then its only a matter of time until peoples attitude changes (maybe with the help of the car washers getting people used to them)
Im not actually that worried about losing my customers, i just think things could get very competitive out there in the future.
Tim
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For the record I'm not a racist or a member of the bnp I support the greens but above all I'm a patriot and believe in looking after my own i have a black worker and I like curry what I don't like is seeing people from this country unemployed due to someone working for half the going rate and people raping this country of its assets
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For the record I'm not a racist or a member of the bnp I support the greens but above all I'm a patriot and believe in looking after my owni have a black worker and I like currywhat I don't like is seeing people from this country unemployed due to someone working for half the going rate and people raping this country of its assets
so your all for saving whales and disarming the world and saving trees, but not equal opportunity's and the right for people to work wherever they choose
i worked in bosnia for a while and some of the best workers i have ever had came from eastern europe
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Oh please, get real.
Enoch was soooo right.
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For the record I'm not a racist or a member of the bnp I support the greens but above all I'm a patriot and believe in looking after my own i have a black worker and I like curry what I don't like is seeing people from this country unemployed due to someone working for half the going rate and people raping this country of its assets
thats great, just love it ;D ;D ;D
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Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.
A loophole in EU regulations means migrants from other EU countries who are seeking work in the UK can claim state handouts for children they have left behind in their home countries.
The total benefits bill for the Treasury is likely to be closer to £50million a year when other Eastern European countries are included.
In addition, ministers refuse to reveal how much more is being paid out in tax credits. Last night, the revelations prompted demands for a shake-up of the rules, with critics complaining of a "Government-sanctioned scam" at a time when millions of British children remain in poverty.
Britain's child benefit payments of £941 per year for a first child or £629 per year for younger siblings are far higher than the equivalent paymentsin Eastern European states that are new EU members.
The Polish benefits system, for example, pays a maximum of around £160 per year in child benefit.
Investigations have found that many workers moving to Britain are fraudulently claiming family benefits in both countries, exploiting lax checks and poor information sharing between member states.
Figures released by the Treasury in answer to Parliamentary written questions from the Conservatives show that at the end of September 26,000 Polish children from 16,286 families were being paid child benefits by UK taxpayers.
That means 16,286 first-born children were receiving the full £18.10 per week with the remaining 10,000 getting the lower payment of £12.10 per week.
The figures show that the number of claimants is soaring.
In June last year, the Treasury said 14,000 families from eight Eastern European states were claiming the benefits - around 10,000 were estimated to be Polish
Open borders: More than 700,000 workers from Eastern Europe have arrived in Britain in the four years since their countries joined the EU
Three months later the figure for Poland alone had risen to 16,286.
At this rate of increase the benefits bill could more than double in a year, with thousands more Eastern European families joining in the benefits bonanza.
Although all the payments are legal under EU law, critics claim they provide an added incentive for immigrants to come to the UK.
Britain was one of the only EU states to give workers from eight Eastern European states full access to its jobs market when they joined the EU in 2004.
They were: the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Hungary and Poland.
Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU a year ago.
Ministers predicted that around 13,000 workers would arrive in Britain each year. In reality more than 700,000 have arrived, more than half from Poland.
Polish newspapers regularly run features explaining exactly how to claim benefits in the UK.
Once EU nationals have been working and paying tax in Britain for 12 months, they are entitled to the same level of state support as any British citizen, including child benefit for their children living in another EU country.
A spokesman for HM Revenue and Customs said claimants had to provide evidence to support claims for children abroad, such as a birth certificate.
It is thought that even larger sums are being paid out to Eastern European workers in tax credits - financial support provided through the tax system for those with children or on lower incomes. Ministers say, however, that total figures are "not available".
Conservative MP Andrew Selous, who uncovered the latest figures, said: "This shows there is a need for a serious reassessment of this aspect of the welfare state.
"The Government still refuses to answer how much child tax credit is paid to migrant workers whose children live abroad. They have shown no leadership or political will in trying to sort out this issue."
Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "When will Gordon Brown get a grip?
"Some 3.8million British children are living in poverty and yet £21million of taxpayers' money is going to Poland because our benefits system is such a shambles.
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Interesting topic guys :)
just enjoy :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKiyT_RjOO4&feature=player_embedded
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Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.
In Germany, if you're a soldier with children, because the Germans pay more in child benefit, you can claim the difference between the German CB and the UK CB; and it's a nice little sum, all paid for by the German taxpayer.
I was in Germany while this change took place and received nearly £2000 in backdated by three years, from the German taxpayer.
It was nice, thanks to the Germans, and we had a good holiday from it.
This rule just doesn't affect the UK, it's across the board, I suspect.
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Dash t you aint got a clue I went to germany not through choice but necessity as there was no work here I worked for both dutch and german companies as our shills were required they were advertising in the uk as they never had the skills to handle or do the works with their own labourthese eastern europeands come to the uk with no skills that are in demand all they are doing is adding to what is already a labour pool where currently there is not enough jobs for the workers I filled a labour shortage paid my taxes in germany rented a house of a german drank and shopped in german bars as well as supporting my. Family in the uk
I never once raped the state they they do
20 to a house paid from benefits free medical and health care and we even give them a few quid to go back
You aint got a clue dash t one more thing I never claimed anything whilst I was there and came home as soon as I could I also hated every minute of it ithere were many like me who decided the dole was not for them at that time
The thing is I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously need educating and I don’t have time to do that. If you really knew how the system works and what those people have to do before they can even claim a penny, then you wouldn’t be saying this.
Most of people who come over here are 10 times more educated then many people in the UK, they are just not given a chance, because of hypocrites like yourself. Therefore they go out and find jobs they can, to support their families just like you did by going to Germany. I’m sorry but I’m not going to accept that there was only a dole option available to you. Why didn’t you get a cleaner’s job at the time and worked for the minimum wage? No you obviously thought you was better than that and therefore went to Germany so you could provide better living standards for your family. Would you work for minimum wage here and live in poverty or would you leave Britain to earn a better living?
We all like to judge, but when you put in that situation, what would you do?
It’s exactly same for those people who come over here, to earn a living and provide food for their families; it’s unfortunate that they cannot do that in their own country. Do you think they really want to live in the community full of people like you? Those who cannot accept that they help British economy and pay their taxes just like you.
what about all these immigrants either waiting in france or allready on board a lorry waiting to enter our all over populated country
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You guys still debating something that is Government responsibility.
Don’t worry about it and just watch this and have a great sleep. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKiyT_RjOO4&feature=player_embedded
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what about all these immigrants either waiting in france or allready on board a lorry waiting to enter our all over populated country
Let’s not mix Eastern European workers with asylum seekers, as Eastern European’s are EU member and those who are waiting in France are non EU immigrant who are not allowed to work here when they first arrive. Those are two different types of immigration. So they have nothing to do with taking over British jobs etc.
Before Eastern European’s started coming over here to find better life, there was more people leaving this country than non EU immigrants entering. So it was not an issue at all. Those people are truly in need and come over here because as a civilized wealthy country who has introduced human right we are (british) responsible for helping those people.
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You guys still debating something that is Government responsibility.
Don’t worry about it and just watch this and have a great sleep. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKiyT_RjOO4&feature=player_embedded
well that video was a load of mince and i cant see why it was posted
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i spose the people who slag off bulgarians are more than happy to buy their cheap houses in their beautiful country?
im sure the bulgarians are very happy with us driving up their house prices!
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Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.
A loophole in EU regulations means migrants from other EU countries who are seeking work in the UK can claim state handouts for children they have left behind in their home countries.
The total benefits bill for the Treasury is likely to be closer to £50million a year when other Eastern European countries are included.
In addition, ministers refuse to reveal how much more is being paid out in tax credits. Last night, the revelations prompted demands for a shake-up of the rules, with critics complaining of a "Government-sanctioned scam" at a time when millions of British children remain in poverty.
Britain's child benefit payments of £941 per year for a first child or £629 per year for younger siblings are far higher than the equivalent paymentsin Eastern European states that are new EU members.
The Polish benefits system, for example, pays a maximum of around £160 per year in child benefit.
Investigations have found that many workers moving to Britain are fraudulently claiming family benefits in both countries, exploiting lax checks and poor information sharing between member states.
Figures released by the Treasury in answer to Parliamentary written questions from the Conservatives show that at the end of September 26,000 Polish children from 16,286 families were being paid child benefits by UK taxpayers.
That means 16,286 first-born children were receiving the full £18.10 per week with the remaining 10,000 getting the lower payment of £12.10 per week.
The figures show that the number of claimants is soaring.
In June last year, the Treasury said 14,000 families from eight Eastern European states were claiming the benefits - around 10,000 were estimated to be Polish
Open borders: More than 700,000 workers from Eastern Europe have arrived in Britain in the four years since their countries joined the EU
Three months later the figure for Poland alone had risen to 16,286.
At this rate of increase the benefits bill could more than double in a year, with thousands more Eastern European families joining in the benefits bonanza.
Although all the payments are legal under EU law, critics claim they provide an added incentive for immigrants to come to the UK.
Britain was one of the only EU states to give workers from eight Eastern European states full access to its jobs market when they joined the EU in 2004.
They were: the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Hungary and Poland.
Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU a year ago.
Ministers predicted that around 13,000 workers would arrive in Britain each year. In reality more than 700,000 have arrived, more than half from Poland.
Polish newspapers regularly run features explaining exactly how to claim benefits in the UK.
Once EU nationals have been working and paying tax in Britain for 12 months, they are entitled to the same level of state support as any British citizen, including child benefit for their children living in another EU country.
A spokesman for HM Revenue and Customs said claimants had to provide evidence to support claims for children abroad, such as a birth certificate.
It is thought that even larger sums are being paid out to Eastern European workers in tax credits - financial support provided through the tax system for those with children or on lower incomes. Ministers say, however, that total figures are "not available".
Conservative MP Andrew Selous, who uncovered the latest figures, said: "This shows there is a need for a serious reassessment of this aspect of the welfare state.
"The Government still refuses to answer how much child tax credit is paid to migrant workers whose children live abroad. They have shown no leadership or political will in trying to sort out this issue."
Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "When will Gordon Brown get a grip?
"Some 3.8million British children are living in poverty and yet £21million of taxpayers' money is going to Poland because our benefits system is such a shambles.
Brilliant advert for leaving the EU.
what about all these immigrants either waiting in france or allready on board a lorry waiting to enter our all over populated country
Those people are truly in need and come over here because as a civilized wealthy country who has introduced human right we are (british) responsible for helping those people.
Brilliant.
Charity begins at home.
Did anyone watch TV during the run up to the election? When people were asked up and down the country what the main issues were that they would like to see addressed, what was they said again, oh yeah immigration, must be a few on here that see it differently.
Wake up smell the coffee
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i spose the people who slag off bulgarians are more than happy to buy their cheap houses in their beautiful country?
im sure the bulgarians are very happy with us driving up their house prices!
I don't know about Bulgaria but a lot of Eastern European countries have laws preventing foreigners from buying property. I know Poland has although the EU has told them they have to change that.
The point is that we are as free to move to their country as they are they are to move to to ours. We could all buy a nice house out there and Easyjet back and forwards to work Monday to Friday like they do.
I like the eastern Europeans, they have a very positive attitude to life and get on with it. Much better than our own bone idle benefit chavs who I really would like to see kicked into touch.
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ive been to lithuania a few times and in the cities are some very big ,brand new shopping centres,bigger than u.k. ones ,flashy places with huge 3storey aquariums . but strange thing is,i never saw ANYBODY buying stuff in them. i hear the recession has hit em hard and after the Soviets pulled out the industry went with it . then again,the industrys ALL GONE from here too hasnt it !!
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Put it this way,i was a sprayer and my wife was a flock coating operative.Both worked for the same company.me 8 years and my wife 3 years ,i worked even when i was on the sick+holidays and sometime 50+
hours aweek.I was on £12.85 p/h wife on £8.55 p/h.Soon as i had trained the polish up to do the job i was doing ,me and my wife was made redundant as well as 2 other staff .They now work for the min wage and the only english worker there is the van driver.
So i do agree british jobs for british workers first ,,if the vacancy cant be filled then it must be offered to foreign
workers.
I do not blame the foreign workers,but what happned to me is happening most places,they can afford to work for min wage as they can still claim child benifit and tax credits for their children living back home in their country
that is where are country is going wrong ::)
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The thing about having a global economy is that it means exactly what it says. Eventually prices and wages average out till they are at the same level everywhere.
Money is like water in that respect.
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they got looking busy down to a fine art-look busy when someones watching
but when you look at what they achieve at the end of the day the work is often inferior and not a lot has been done
theyve ruined there respective counties now they are doing it to ours
they can afford to work for a lower rate as there is 6 to a bed -
you wiil also spend more of your own time re-doing work and supervising there works--
a lot of people are afraid to say what they really think
they are no good for this countries economy
there are millions of illegals here putting nothing into this countries future
they are all lazy i wouldnt employ any of them
also i spent 7 years working in germany and holland
when thatcher killed the british economy
doing work that the germans and dutch couldnt
or wouldnt
even there i wouldnt employ the turks or poles to stupid and lazy
i paid my taxes there spent my money in there shops and bars--do they here
thats what we should do here only give then the jobs where a national cannot fill
that would also get all the doleites benefit scroungers back to work
ie less benefits to pay for less tax
very much similar experiance of east european workers
you left off the aggression and life threats whenrrefusing to pay them as they were on price work and didnt complete a single job satisfactorily
they have been coming to this ccountry for years now and there wouldnt be any complaints if they were as good as they would have you believe
they are cheap labour and nothing else
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Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.
A loophole in EU regulations means migrants from other EU countries who are seeking work in the UK can claim state handouts for children they have left behind in their home countries.
The total benefits bill for the Treasury is likely to be closer to £50million a year when other Eastern European countries are included.
In addition, ministers refuse to reveal how much more is being paid out in tax credits. Last night, the revelations prompted demands for a shake-up of the rules, with critics complaining of a "Government-sanctioned scam" at a time when millions of British children remain in poverty.
Britain's child benefit payments of £941 per year for a first child or £629 per year for younger siblings are far higher than the equivalent paymentsin Eastern European states that are new EU members.
The Polish benefits system, for example, pays a maximum of around £160 per year in child benefit.
Investigations have found that many workers moving to Britain are fraudulently claiming family benefits in both countries, exploiting lax checks and poor information sharing between member states.
Figures released by the Treasury in answer to Parliamentary written questions from the Conservatives show that at the end of September 26,000 Polish children from 16,286 families were being paid child benefits by UK taxpayers.
That means 16,286 first-born children were receiving the full £18.10 per week with the remaining 10,000 getting the lower payment of £12.10 per week.
The figures show that the number of claimants is soaring.
In June last year, the Treasury said 14,000 families from eight Eastern European states were claiming the benefits - around 10,000 were estimated to be Polish
Open borders: More than 700,000 workers from Eastern Europe have arrived in Britain in the four years since their countries joined the EU
Three months later the figure for Poland alone had risen to 16,286.
At this rate of increase the benefits bill could more than double in a year, with thousands more Eastern European families joining in the benefits bonanza.
Although all the payments are legal under EU law, critics claim they provide an added incentive for immigrants to come to the UK.
Britain was one of the only EU states to give workers from eight Eastern European states full access to its jobs market when they joined the EU in 2004.
They were: the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Hungary and Poland.
Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU a year ago.
Ministers predicted that around 13,000 workers would arrive in Britain each year. In reality more than 700,000 have arrived, more than half from Poland.
Polish newspapers regularly run features explaining exactly how to claim benefits in the UK.
Once EU nationals have been working and paying tax in Britain for 12 months, they are entitled to the same level of state support as any British citizen, including child benefit for their children living in another EU country.
A spokesman for HM Revenue and Customs said claimants had to provide evidence to support claims for children abroad, such as a birth certificate.
It is thought that even larger sums are being paid out to Eastern European workers in tax credits - financial support provided through the tax system for those with children or on lower incomes. Ministers say, however, that total figures are "not available".
Conservative MP Andrew Selous, who uncovered the latest figures, said: "This shows there is a need for a serious reassessment of this aspect of the welfare state.
"The Government still refuses to answer how much child tax credit is paid to migrant workers whose children live abroad. They have shown no leadership or political will in trying to sort out this issue."
Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "When will Gordon Brown get a grip?
"Some 3.8million British children are living in poverty and yet £21million of taxpayers' money is going to Poland because our benefits system is such a shambles.
couldnt agree more
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dont worry about losing work to foreign workers
if you do a good job at a reasonable price you will maintain your work. if you are easy to get on with and popular with your customers they wont drop you to save a couple of quid a month
those the employ them are exploiting them
they work very hard for their money= they are paid less than they are worth
they work long hours at a moments notice and stay on to finish jobs= again being stitched up
they never complain= you can abuse their rights all you like and if they complain you will sack them
cant get british workers to do the same for the money= too right you cant. im highly skilled, motivated, personable , can work under pressure and get the job done to a high standard and on time
you wont employ me as I want more money than you earn and you cant afford me
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dont worry about losing work to foreign workers
if you do a good job at a reasonable price you will maintain your work. if you are easy to get on with and popular with your customers they wont drop you to save a couple of quid a month
those the employ them are exploiting them
they work very hard for their money= they are paid less than they are worth
they work long hours at a moments notice and stay on to finish jobs= again being stitched up
they never complain= you can abuse their rights all you like and if they complain you will sack them
cant get british workers to do the same for the money= too right you cant. im highly skilled, motivated, personable , can work under pressure and get the job done to a high standard and on time
you wont employ me as I want more money than you earn and you cant afford me
i don't worry about losing my work to them , i am well established (over 20 yrs)
it is other sectors i worry about, i think a lot of the do gooders on here would be more
than happy to open the flood gates to them , would they be quite so welcoming if they
took their work , and also work off their family children ect , i think some people need to get real
daz
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dont worry about losing work to foreign workers
if you do a good job at a reasonable price you will maintain your work. if you are easy to get on with and popular with your customers they wont drop you to save a couple of quid a month
those the employ them are exploiting them
they work very hard for their money= they are paid less than they are worth
they work long hours at a moments notice and stay on to finish jobs= again being stitched up
they never complain= you can abuse their rights all you like and if they complain you will sack them
cant get british workers to do the same for the money= too right you cant. im highly skilled, motivated, personable , can work under pressure and get the job done to a high standard and on time
you wont employ me as I want more money than you earn and you cant afford me
Brilliant mate, a man with the courage of his convictions.
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I would like to add, that my wife speaks fluent English, French and of course Bulgarian. My employee speaks perfect English and Bulgarian.
They can both spell perfectly in English.
But that`s only one word. And not that hard to spell anyway.
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I would like to add, that my wife speaks fluent English, French and of course Bulgarian. My employee speaks perfect English and Bulgarian.
They can both spell perfectly in English.
But that`s only one word. And not that hard to spell anyway.
Top comedian ;D
Does anyone of you clean foreigners windows? Or do you just clean for British companies and home owners?
(http://)
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Ive read all of this nonsense about foreign workers {Eastern Europeans} being better, working harder than their British counter parts.
What crap, the fact is that they can afford to live here and work on minimum wage because they get additional assistance that we dont , such as subsidised housing, vouchers for food and clothing , assistance with buying motor vehicles plus the other tax benefits.
I've had them drive up when im working and ask "how much" at first naively I would tell them. They drive off and then lo and behold start up. Now I tell em £60 minimum just for a laugh.
As for this Global Economy balancing things out, dont make me laugh. Go and have a look at India, where they do work hard , for mainly big UK, European and US Companies for relative peanuts.
Wake up and smell the Coffee people. This countrys been destroyed by the Labour Govt that the British people voted in in 1997. Can it be restored? Nah doubtfull as it would be unlawfull to do so. Clever little buggers werent they. You get what you deserve.
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Ive read all of this nonsense about foreign workers {Eastern Europeans} being better, working harder than their British counter parts.
What crap, the fact is that they can afford to live here and work on minimum wage because they get additional assistance that we dont , such as subsidised housing, vouchers for food and clothing , assistance with buying motor vehicles plus the other tax benefits.
I've had them drive up when im working and ask "how much" at first naively I would tell them. They drive off and then lo and behold start up. Now I tell em £60 minimum just for a laugh.
As for this Global Economy balancing things out, dont make me laugh. Go and have a look at India, where they do work hard , for mainly big UK, European and US Companies for relative peanuts.
Wake up and smell the Coffee people. This countrys been destroyed by the Labour Govt that the British people voted in in 1997. Can it be restored? Nah doubtfull as it would be unlawfull to do so. Clever little buggers werent they. You get what you deserve.
well said that man
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40% of all murders done in uk last year were by people of non anglo saxon stateus
true i read that in the sun or news of the world.
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Ive read all of this nonsense about foreign workers {Eastern Europeans} being better, working harder than their British counter parts.
What crap, the fact is that they can afford to live here and work on minimum wage because they get additional assistance that we dont , such as subsidised housing, vouchers for food and clothing , assistance with buying motor vehicles plus the other tax benefits.
I've had them drive up when im working and ask "how much" at first naively I would tell them. They drive off and then lo and behold start up. Now I tell em £60 minimum just for a laugh.
As for this Global Economy balancing things out, dont make me laugh. Go and have a look at India, where they do work hard , for mainly big UK, European and US Companies for relative peanuts.
Wake up and smell the Coffee people. This countrys been destroyed by the Labour Govt that the British people voted in in 1997. Can it be restored? Nah doubtfull as it would be unlawfull to do so. Clever little buggers werent they. You get what you deserve.
well said
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You notice the guy who put up the "Sun Reader" bit, has now deleted that post, if you were quick enough to read it.
Just for the record I'm not a "Sun Reader" well not for the news anyway, just the sport.
I am the grandson of economic migrants, who were exploited at the time of arrival, but stuck with it, didn't send money back to "the old Country" who totally assimulated , had sons who became Royal Marines, and set up businesses.
They came here when there was a genuine shortage of British Labour, and whilst therefore I can not claim to be 100% Anglo Saxon, if that actually matters, I love our country, and don't like people fiddling it, or exploiting it. IMO it is You who happily employ these guys on minimum wage, because you say they are better than the British workers , that are the guilty ones, who are the exploitationists who don't give a damn.
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slavery is slavery no mater weather there negros or slaves if you deplor the 1700s
the 2000 are just as bad ;
think about this next time you vote labour
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looking at the amount of input from members its a subject that people clearly feel strongly about but what are the government going to do -----------NOTHING
the country is in a state where else can you get a pizza delivered quicker than you can get a ambulance
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Just for the record I'm not a "Sun Reader" well not for the news anyway, just the sport.
more like page 3 ;)
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well 10 years ago i was a land worker and so was all my family then in came the afghans then a few years back in came the poles latvians etc etc. the truth is the farmers reckoned that the brits wouldnt do the work and the poles would blah blah. anyway now the farmers have to pay min wage they are seeing how lazy the feckers really are. i worked with a few last year and not a patch on the brits and i mean lazy thieving untruthfull slimy scum. get em out end of we cant live in thier country
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Look the simple answer would be to tie the uk to a ship and tow it back to the sub continent where it belongs ;D
If you go around colonising the sh#t out of far off places then you get what you deserve a country populated by your own greed.
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The UK is in such a state because of it's leaders not the majority of its workers...perhaps the direction of dissatisfaction is being lost on the wrong people?
Most will make noise, whether in the pub or just in general moaning but for the most part Britons tend to moan, whinge and gripe about it all and then do nothing about it...you have yourselves to blame.
Personally I used to be proud to be English but England does make that increasingly difficult.
I do strongly believe that the UK could be a great nation once again but alas I fear it should be put down like the dying dog it is.
R.I.P U.K
Dave - Happy not being a UK resident.
ps If there were such a thing as a global passport...I'd opt for one of those.
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When you say you think the UK could be a great nation once again, could you clarify that please?
Do you mean win the world cup again or rule the empire once again or import navvies to build roads. I mean what makes you think those days were any better than now?
I expect the usual bunch of ignorants moaned in those days too (ay, it wernt like this in ma daze yor no, I remember when Henry the efth used to chop of der eads if day moand joost 1 two menee times!)
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Great nation...sorry meant ok nation....perhaps I meant that it would be able to stand on it's own feet hold it's head high and not be the USA's bitch...
You would have to be blind to think the UK is anything other than very ill...it's the laughing stock of the world still living on past glories.
All the while UK plc continues to be a gravy train for the privilaged few it'll just continue to be yet another mediocre state...I mean even the eurozone countries laugh at it...
Personally the country should be grateful that others come to the country to work.
Whatever happens I'm glad I'm not a resident in the UK...nice for a holiday but lets face it...you're screwed.
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When you say you think the UK could be a great nation once again, could you clarify that please?
Do you mean win the world cup again or rule the empire once again or import navvies to build roads. I mean what makes you think those days were any better than now?
I expect the usual bunch of ignorants moaned in those days too (ay, it wernt like this in ma daze yor no, I remember when Henry the efth used to chop of der eads if day moand joost 1 two menee times!)
very true ;D ;D
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Great nation...sorry meant ok nation....perhaps I meant that it would be able to stand on it's own feet hold it's head high and not be the USA's bitch...
You would have to be blind to think the UK is anything other than very ill...it's the laughing stock of the world still living on past glories.
All the while UK plc continues to be a gravy train for the privilaged few it'll just continue to be yet another mediocre state...I mean even the eurozone countries laugh at it...
Personally the country should be grateful that others come to the country to work.
Whatever happens I'm glad I'm not a resident in the UK...nice for a holiday but lets face it...you're screwed.
;D
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Surely, isn't this
I do strongly believe that the UK could be a great nation once again
Quite simply, this........?
still living on past glories.
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when talking about foreign labour remember that when an employer says "they have a good work ethic" what he really means is "they work for peanuts" foreign labour is a euphemism for "cheap labour" and basically that is it.
There is no doubt that mass immigration is fueling poverty in the UK, if we were out of the EU we would be a wealthier and healthier country.
As for Eastern europeans being good honest grafters, 100's of millions of pounds are being stolen by migrant benefit thieves, a gang of Romanian gypsies have appeared in court in London accused of stealing £3.6million in benefit fraud, there is also a village in Romania which depends on money stolen in benefit fraud in the UK for its survival,money stolen from the UK taxpayer has been used to build 100 houses in the village there is also loads of top of the range cars with UK plates, this is in a place that used to be a donkey and cart economy.
When you consider the social fall out from all this migration, such as people trafficking, prostitution, crime, one in five murders are committed by foreigners , the costs out weigh the benefits, of course there are a minority of the population who are doing very nicely out of this debacle, So instead of constantly extolling the virtues of unrestricted migration people should get their heads out of the sand and see what is really happening.
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the government need to grow some balls and do something about it
if people stopped employing them theyll go home or claim even more benefits
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I can see there are a number of British patriots on this forum! Those who go out shopping looking for cheapest deals , without thinking that every item of the clothes they wear is manufactured in china, If you were patriots why not go to local Taylor and ask him to make you all of your clothes? Why not buy only locally produced food from local farmers etc, well, well, well, if you all was what you call “patriots” that’s what you would have been doing, but I bet many of you don’t! So when you say things like immigrant exploiting our country for benefits, surely that’s what we are all doing to the other countries? I just can’t believe how shallow you people are, the nation which has exploited people for as long as it’s been going now all of a sudden crying over 2000000 immigrants. This is why like Dave Anderson said UK is a laughing stock of the world still living on past glories. I don’t know how many times I shall say this, 21 century here we come!
It’s about time people in this country open their eyes and start seeing what’s happening around them. UK is no longer a powerful country and many other countries are growing at the rate we never will.
My rant is over for today, you guys have a nice evening eating Spanish/Mexican meat for your supper, drinking German beer and have a relaxing cup of tea, grown & produced in India and of course it’s world cup soonn so don’t forget to put your English flags out, end of the day you are BRITISH PATRIOTS ;D
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I can see there are a number of British patriots on this forum! Those who go out shopping looking for cheapest deals , without thinking that every item of the clothes they wear is manufactured in china, If you were patriots why not go to local Taylor and ask him to make you all of your clothes? Why not buy only locally produced food from local farmers etc, well, well, well, if you all was what you call “patriots” that’s what you would have been doing, but I bet many of you don’t! So when you say things like immigrant exploiting our country for benefits, surely that’s what we are all doing to the other countries? I just can’t believe how shallow you people are, the nation which has exploited people for as long as it’s been going now all of a sudden crying over 2000000 immigrants. This is why like Dave Anderson said UK is a laughing stock of the world still living on past glories. I don’t know how many times I shall say this, 21 century here we come!
It’s about time people in this country open their eyes and start seeing what’s happening around them. UK is no longer a powerful country and many other countries are growing at the rate we never will.
My rant is over for today, you guys have a nice evening eating Spanish/Mexican meat for your supper, drinking German beer and have a relaxing cup of tea, grown & produced in India and of course it’s world cup soonn so don’t forget to put your English flags out, end of the day you are BRITISH PATRIOTS ;D
Some good points I read there....on my laptop.....made in China ;D
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I can see there are a number of British patriots on this forum! Those who go out shopping looking for cheapest deals , without thinking that every item of the clothes they wear is manufactured in china, If you were patriots why not go to local Taylor and ask him to make you all of your clothes? Why not buy only locally produced food from local farmers etc, well, well, well, if you all was what you call “patriots” that’s what you would have been doing, but I bet many of you don’t! So when you say things like immigrant exploiting our country for benefits, surely that’s what we are all doing to the other countries? I just can’t believe how shallow you people are, the nation which has exploited people for as long as it’s been going now all of a sudden crying over 2000000 immigrants. This is why like Dave Anderson said UK is a laughing stock of the world still living on past glories. I don’t know how many times I shall say this, 21 century here we come!
It’s about time people in this country open their eyes and start seeing what’s happening around them. UK is no longer a powerful country and many other countries are growing at the rate we never will.
My rant is over for today, you guys have a nice evening eating Spanish/Mexican meat for your supper, drinking German beer and have a relaxing cup of tea, grown & produced in India and of course it’s world cup soonn so don’t forget to put your English flags out, end of the day you are BRITISH PATRIOTS ;D
If people want to buy foreign goods they do it out of choice, when it comes to immigration we wern't given a choice, most people are completely opposed to all this immigration for very legitimate reasons, they perceive it as detrimental to they and their families well being.
We were told by Blair that we need immigration or the economy would go down the tubes, well we got immigration and the economy still went down the tubes, the thing is how many big issue sellers or carwashers does this country need.
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I can see there are a number of British patriots on this forum! Those who go out shopping looking for cheapest deals , without thinking that every item of the clothes they wear is manufactured in china, If you were patriots why not go to local Taylor and ask him to make you all of your clothes? Why not buy only locally produced food from local farmers etc, well, well, well, if you all was what you call “patriots” that’s what you would have been doing, but I bet many of you don’t! So when you say things like immigrant exploiting our country for benefits, surely that’s what we are all doing to the other countries? I just can’t believe how shallow you people are, the nation which has exploited people for as long as it’s been going now all of a sudden crying over 2000000 immigrants. This is why like Dave Anderson said UK is a laughing stock of the world still living on past glories. I don’t know how many times I shall say this, 21 century here we come!
It’s about time people in this country open their eyes and start seeing what’s happening around them. UK is no longer a powerful country and many other countries are growing at the rate we never will.
My rant is over for today, you guys have a nice evening eating Spanish/Mexican meat for your supper, drinking German beer and have a relaxing cup of tea, grown & produced in India and of course it’s world cup soonn so don’t forget to put your English flags out, end of the day you are BRITISH PATRIOTS ;D
If people want to buy foreign goods they do it out of choice, when it comes to immigration we wern't given a choice, most people are completely opposed to all this immigration for very legitimate reasons, they perceive it as detrimental to they and their families well being.
We were told by Blair that we need immigration or the economy would go down the tubes, well we got immigration and the economy still went down the tubes, the thing is how many big issue sellers or carwashers does this country need.
And that's what p*sses people off.
You will never win with the liberal type who want the flood gate left open, its not even that they are missing the point - why, because they employ them on the minimum wage to live here in poverty - and that was their own words.
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when it comes to immigration we wern't given a choice, most people are completely opposed to all this immigration for very legitimate reasons, they perceive it as detrimental to they and their families well being.
We were told by Blair that we need immigration or the economy would go down the tubes, well we got immigration and the economy still went down the tubes, the thing is how many big issue sellers or carwashers does this country need.
I remember a good few years ago our ol' mate Tony Bliar talking on the box one day about our multicultural society.
I thought, what multicultural scoiety? This is new, multi-cultural? They havent mentioned this before. Scheming peckers.
It was at that point my distrust in Labour began. Bunch of lilly livered, softie, nancy nanny state poofters.
Kick em all out thats what I say.
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i reckon this topic needs a pole in out or you can have my job
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when it comes to immigration we wern't given a choice, most people are completely opposed to all this immigration for very legitimate reasons, they perceive it as detrimental to they and their families well being.
We were told by Blair that we need immigration or the economy would go down the tubes, well we got immigration and the economy still went down the tubes, the thing is how many big issue sellers or carwashers does this country need.
I remember a good few years ago our ol' mate Tony Bliar talking on the box one day about our multicultural society.
I thought, what multicultural scoiety? This is new, multi-cultural? They havent mentioned this before. Scheming peckers.
It was at that point my distrust in Labour began. Bunch of lilly livered, softie, nancy nanny state poofters.
Kick em all out thats what I say.
Are you going to apply to do their job.
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had some eastern euros give me a quote on my house yesterday (van in garage) quoted me £7 for my 4 bed detatched with consevatory. So I let him do it, took him 1 1/2 hrs paid him by cheque.
When I asked to see his insurance details he shouted something at me, so I told him not to come back.
Shame he done a good job.
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I can see there are a number of British patriots on this forum! Those who go out shopping looking for cheapest deals , without thinking that every item of the clothes they wear is manufactured in china, If you were patriots why not go to local Taylor and ask him to make you all of your clothes? Why not buy only locally produced food from local farmers etc, well, well, well, if you all was what you call “patriots” that’s what you would have been doing, but I bet many of you don’t! So when you say things like immigrant exploiting our country for benefits, surely that’s what we are all doing to the other countries? I just can’t believe how shallow you people are, the nation which has exploited people for as long as it’s been going now all of a sudden crying over 2000000 immigrants. This is why like Dave Anderson said UK is a laughing stock of the world still living on past glories. I don’t know how many times I shall say this, 21 century here we come!
It’s about time people in this country open their eyes and start seeing what’s happening around them. UK is no longer a powerful country and many other countries are growing at the rate we never will.
My rant is over for today, you guys have a nice evening eating Spanish/Mexican meat for your supper, drinking German beer and have a relaxing cup of tea, grown & produced in India and of course it’s world cup soonn so don’t forget to put your English flags out, end of the day you are BRITISH PATRIOTS ;D
If people want to buy foreign goods they do it out of choice, when it comes to immigration we wern't given a choice, most people are completely opposed to all this immigration for very legitimate reasons, they perceive it as detrimental to they and their families well being.
We were told by Blair that we need immigration or the economy would go down the tubes, well we got immigration and the economy still went down the tubes, the thing is how many big issue sellers or carwashers does this country need.
And that's what p*sses people off.
You will never win with the liberal type who want the flood gate left open, its not even that they are missing the point - why, because they employ them on the minimum wage to live here in poverty - and that was their own words.
you hit the nail on the head mate, all these liberals are middle class with secure incomes,they believe that people who get their hands dirty for a living earn to much.
Thats why they welcomed the arrival of the polish plumbers ect. It is the working class who are being undercut by this migrant flood
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it was probably have a nice day you nice english person and thankyou for topping up my 500 quid a week benefits----------or maybe it involved you and a large root veg
did you take his number im always up for a great job at bargain prices
it will also make me feel at better person knowing ive helped one of our little friends
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when it comes to immigration we wern't given a choice, most people are completely opposed to all this immigration for very legitimate reasons, they perceive it as detrimental to they and their families well being.
We were told by Blair that we need immigration or the economy would go down the tubes, well we got immigration and the economy still went down the tubes, the thing is how many big issue sellers or carwashers does this country need.
I remember a good few years ago our ol' mate Tony Bliar talking on the box one day about our multicultural society.
I thought, what multicultural scoiety? This is new, multi-cultural? They havent mentioned this before. Scheming peckers.
It was at that point my distrust in Labour began. Bunch of lilly livered, softie, nancy nanny state poofters.
Kick em all out thats what I say.
Are you going to apply to do their job.
Dont be silly I have my own, you should ask the 1.5 million doleys that question.
I presume you're refering to the job vacancies in the immigration dept that the Labour government filled with illegal immigrants. Or the govt quangos that waste billions of pounds of tax payers money, like The Milk Development Council.
Did you know it was estimated in 2005 that there were 529 "useless" quangos that either did very little or duplicated each other. So dont bother talking in riddles about who should fill job vacancies, we need to sort our own corner out before we start marketing ourselves as UK B&B (All foreigners welcome!)
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the local council were meeting down here yesterday on the agenda was a discussion on what colour the lamposts are to be ---tossers
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Looking at job centre vacancies on the net, under most vacancies it said "we are particularly interested in employing workers from other european countries" i would have thought a statement of this nature could be deemed as racist
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What it all comes down to is this, immigrants and people on benefits are much more likely to vote labour. Thats why New Labour turned a blind eye all those years and allowed the immigrants to vote. ::)
We are all working men, Labour should be our party and supporting us and our jobs and families. But they were not. Instead of being the party for the working man Labour has become the party for the NON working man.
Virtually all the labour safe seats are in high immigrant areas or Scotland and Wales.
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[quote author=laddermonkee link=topic=101909.msg869394#ms. Or the govt quangos that waste billions of pounds of tax payers money, like The Milk Development Council.
Did you know it was estimated in 2005 that there were 529 "useless" quangos that either did very little or duplicated each other. So dont bother talking in riddles about who should fill job vacancies, we need to sort our own corner out before we start marketing ourselves as UK B&B (All foreigners welcome!)
QUANGO was the name of a famous wrestler back in the 1970s . he was often on WORLD OF SPORT on saturday afternoons,up against the likes of MICK McMANUS, cATWEASLE etc
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Looking at job centre vacancies on the net, under most vacancies it said "we are particularly interested in employing workers from other european countries" i would have thought a statement of this nature could be deemed as racist
It`s not as bad as saying the Jews, Pakis and Darks are no longer available for abuse, as you did.
Vince,
Wasn`t it the Conservatives, Thatcher in particular, that wanted this country to have a free market economy? This cheap labour is part of the free market concept.
Thatcher also weakened (if not smashed) the unions. Far fewer immigrants would be getting jobs if the unions had more control.
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the local council were meeting down here yesterday on the agenda was a discussion on what colour the lamposts are to be ---tossers
At least they're doing something rather than whining like a little spoilt brat!
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Looking at job centre vacancies on the net, under most vacancies it said "we are particularly interested in employing workers from other european countries" i would have thought a statement of this nature could be deemed as racist
Can you post a link of that up? I'd be interested to see that.
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Looking at job centre vacancies on the net, under most vacancies it said "we are particularly interested in employing workers from other european countries" i would have thought a statement of this nature could be deemed as racist
It`s not as bad as saying t he Jews, Pakis and Darks are no longer available for abuse, as you did.
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I only said it because it used to be true i didn't say i condoned it.
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im moving to warsaw
im charging a chicken per window when the going rate is a least 2 - thats what the local gippos charge
im straight down the council office and get myself a nice shed
them im going to get 20 of my mates to share it
im leaving the kids and misses here and have a benefit claim up for them back home
i think ill register on the dole see what i can get as well must be worth a few goats
may as well get some dental work done and a new set of bins for my eyes out of their health service
i hear there a cow up for grabs and a free flight home in a few months when i want to see the misses and kids
i come back next month register under another name and start again
what a lovely life suckers
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What it all comes down to is this, immigrants and people on benefits are much more likely to vote labour. Thats why New Labour turned a blind eye all those years and allowed the immigrants to vote. ::)
We are all working men, Labour should be our party and supporting us and our jobs and families. But they were not. Instead of being the party for the working man Labour has become the party for the NON working man.
Virtually all the labour safe seats are in high immigrant areas or Scotland and Wales.
Good post vince.
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im moving to warsaw
im charging a chicken per window when the going rate is a least 2 - thats what the local gippos charge
im straight down the council office and get myself a nice shed
them im going to get 20 of my mates to share it
im leaving the kids and misses here and have a benefit claim up for them back home
i think ill register on the dole see what i can get as well must be worth a few goats
may as well get some dental work done and a new sets of bins for my eyes out of their health service
i hear there a cow up for grabs and a free flight home in a few months when i want to see the misses and kids
i come back next month register under another name and start again
what a lovely life suckers
This post really shows how intelligent you are.
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Looking at job centre vacancies on the net, under most vacancies it said "we are particularly interested in employing workers from other european countries" i would have thought a statement of this nature could be deemed as racist
Can you post a link of that up? I'd be interested to see that.
yeah i'd love to see this too ;D
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dash t ---you are so easy to wind up
chill out
any come to me looking for a job ill give them your number
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e newlands, if what you say is true? It is ironic that you resent quite vocally what you were. An economic refugee. Priceless. ;D
Is a tad hypocritical as well, when you were provided for by another country because of how things were here.
But at least you have lived in similar shoes, so what you think on this has more weight than others who put up 'us first' posts.
I ain't a liberal, but i can't be part of this us and them mentality. Unless its government or apparatus of the state. I like the idea of plenty of foreigners being here. And they don't have anywhere near the advantages of us who were born and bred here.
I know its a generalisation, but people who see foreigners legally allowed here as a threat i generally write off as victims of this world. There is blame that has to be attached to others for all woes they have suffered. Or heard about 3rd hand down the pub.
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I'm an immigrant! It's class, but where do I get all these benefits from?
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I can't be arsed to get into a debate about it but I have no real problem with immigration. It would probably be a good idea to slow it down until unemployment drops again though.
I do realise that being against immigration isn't necessarily an indicator of racism. However, I do reckon some people try to use it as a mask for their racism as it can be a way of promoting racism while appearing to be a reasonable person.
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dash t ---you are so easy to wind up
chill out
any come to me looking for a job ill give them your number
Anytime, I need about 15 extra people for June, July and August and before you say anything I don’t pay them minimum wage or below, plus when I say my company is ethical I don’t mean that I employ illegal immigrants for minimum wage, it means I employ anyone who is capable of doing the job correctly, be a great representative of my company and someone who I can rely on at all times. Whether they British, Asian, Eastern European etc etc. In return I pay them a good, respectable wage, so they can live a good life not a life of poverty.
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one for m dew
the difference between me and them i was wanted and needed by the respective governments where i worked germany oman and saudi
there own people where incapable of servicing their countries needs
i didnt get into thoes countries unskilled i was there to fullful a void in the market that why i took the big dollar
people coming here are not required as there is sufficient homegrown labour
coming here undercutting are forcing a drop in rates are not doing anyone any good
its not my problem germans do not hold the skills and arabs are arabs lazy and stupid
all the current batch of eastern euros were getting are poorly trained who do not hold the skills or produce the quality that would be expected in the uk
again i say it i never claimed a penny and always contributed
the local economy
can this be said of them
the two situations are totally different
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one for m dew
the difference between me and them i was wanted and needed by the respective governments where i worked germany oman and saudi
there own people where incapable of servicing their countries needs
i didnt get into thoes countries unskilled i was there to fullful a void in the market that why i took the big dollar
people coming here are not required as there is sufficient homegrown labour
coming here undercutting are forcing a drop in rates are not doing anyone any good
its not my problem germans do not hold the skills and arabs are arabs lazy and stupid
all the current batch of eastern euros were getting are poorly trained who do not hold the skills or produce the quality that would be expected in the uk
again i say it i never claimed a penny and always contributed
the local economy
can this be said of them
the two situations are totally different
Brilliant mate, dont bite mate, like i said you will never win with these liberal types, they employ them or should i say exploit them.
They pay minimum wage although now some are saying they pay above minimum wage, yeah right maybe stretching to £7 per hour,
thats gonna keep them off the poverty line eh!
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one for m dew
the difference between me and them i was wanted and needed by the respective governments where i worked germany oman and saudi
there own people where incapable of servicing their countries needs
i didnt get into thoes countries unskilled i was there to fullful a void in the market that why i took the big dollar
people coming here are not required as there is sufficient homegrown labour
coming here undercutting are forcing a drop in rates are not doing anyone any good
its not my problem germans do not hold the skills and arabs are arabs lazy and stupid
all the current batch of eastern euros were getting are poorly trained who do not hold the skills or produce the quality that would be expected in the uk
again i say it i never claimed a penny and always contributed
the local economy
can this be said of them
the two situations are totally different
Brilliant mate, dont bite mate, like i said you will never win with these liberal types, they employ them or should i say exploit them.
They pay minimum wage although now some are saying they pay above minimum wage, yeah right maybe stretching to £7 per hour,
thats gonna keep them off the poverty line eh!
I guess you are referring to my post, yes I am the liberal type, I believe in people’s equality, especially those who try hard to make a living. I DO NOT EXPLOIT ANYONE AND NEVER WILL.
Do you have a slightest idea of what it takes for someone to move to other country to find a better life? Do you know what difficulties those people face every step of the way? No you obviously don’t! All I can say “You can't educate pork”!
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ive got a saying to
a turd is still a turd
no matter how much you polish it
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An intellect rivaled only by garden tools.
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one for m dew
the difference between me and them i was wanted and needed by the respective governments where i worked germany oman and saudi
there own people where incapable of servicing their countries needs
i didnt get into thoes countries unskilled i was there to fullful a void in the market that why i took the big dollar
people coming here are not required as there is sufficient homegrown labour
coming here undercutting are forcing a drop in rates are not doing anyone any good
its not my problem germans do not hold the skills and arabs are arabs lazy and stupid
all the current batch of eastern euros were getting are poorly trained who do not hold the skills or produce the quality that would be expected in the uk
again i say it i never claimed a penny and always contributed
the local economy
can this be said of them
the two situations are totally different
Whichever way you present it, you were an economic refugee. You went for the cash. Nothing wrong with that though. It is ironic that it was ok for you but not for others coming here doing the same.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree though. Its the government who wants them (just the same as you were wanted) and its them who are responsible for it.
I've never lost a job to a foreigner doing it cheaper either.
Instead of the woe is us posts, use the situation to our advantage. Domestic custoemrs would take some convincing, but throw them on commercial work. Pay them peanuts for doing what could well be your cream work.
Everyone wins.
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last one from me on this subject
could not give a job to a immigrant when there is someone from the uk more deserving no matter what the financial gain
but thats just me
the end
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E newlands...whether you admit to it or not, you are a racist and making sweeping statements about other races in a negative way is unbelievably ignorant. The Nazis did exactly the same thing with the jews.
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All I have to say to this topic is that , you should be proud to be British in a positive way and that is that so many people come from all over the globe to this country to contribute to this country, and to make this country better and more stronger and that your people (BRITISH) accept them to come and every one can learn from each other from different culture and back ground.
That you should be proud to be BRITISH in a positive way that when you go to any country in the world, those people from other countries respect you as a BRITISH.
So stop being negative towards another human being doesn’t matter where that person come from.
I hope this will help you feel more free. :)
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All I have to say to this topic is that , you should be proud to be British in a positive way and that is that so many people come from all over the globe to this country to contribute to this country, and to make this country better and more stronger and that your people (BRITISH) accept them to come and every one can learn from each other from different culture and back ground.
That you should be proud to be BRITISH in a positive way that when you go to any country in the world, those people from other countries respect you as a BRITISH.
So stop being negative towards another human being doesn’t matter where that person come from.
I hope this will help you feel more free. :)
I'm neither proud nor ashamed to be British. In fact it seems to be an irrelevance to me. It's just a bit of dirt that sticks up above the water on a planet just like all the other bits of dirt that stick up. I'm more interested in trying to live my life with mutual respect to and from all parties.
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Come on Guys this post is not got any substance woth talking about we need to speak to our MP s about these feeling.Not fight with each other.After all we are all British and we should be proud of what we have achieved.