Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mci services on May 21, 2010, 10:17:37 pm
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in fact if someone wants him you can have for free ::)
good points
he can clean a window wfp or trad equally well
bad points is
he misses windows, he gets his mum to phone in sick, he doesnt see bird muck, he constantly does not remove spiders webs from frames(i think he scared) he generally just gets on my nerves, he never has fAgs, he is always skint, when he has a nick in a blade he doesnt just change it he comes whining to me that his squeegie doesnt work. aggghhh the list goes on
anyway i have never sacked anyone any pointers ;D
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lol!
can i have him? :)
btw sounds like my wife!
sacked her a few times!
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oh and hes also ocd he washes his hands 1000 times a day and if i wee in a spare bucket in van he will spend ten minutes cleaning it, he will use half a barrel of pure water to remove a smidge of dog muck from a hose :'(
dirty windows ltd yes please take him :D
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Theres no way i would employ, too much headwork!
unless its your biz, people dont care about quality of service.
well unless there on loads.
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Theres no way i would employ, too much headwork!
unless its your biz, people dont care about quality of service.
well unless there on loads.
i don't actually think thats true. There are plenty out there like that, but i have a couple of guys that take on board the comments and seem to want to do a good job.
Its just a case of finding them i think. Then once you have them you need to treat them right
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Stu, if you have never sacked anyone, you have the perfect opportunity to get some practice without feeling bad. As previous post you could always practice sacking wife first. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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keep him iv got one jus the same fancy a swap ;D ;D
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my wife will not work for me ::) my 15 year old son gets sacked regular ;D he fills my van up after work and puts everything on charge for his pocket money.
nah to be serious though should i just say its not working out financially and give him his notice or just tell him ive had enough and sack him for being useless and risk him trying to take to a tribunal for not doing the whole written warnings etc
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on monday give him 2 written warnings lol n his notice
1 was fr last week which was typed up
with this weeks lol ;D ;D ;D
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In future employ an a self employed basis then you can finish him for any reason and cant be taken to tribunal. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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my wife will not work for me ::) my 15 year old son gets sacked regular ;D he fills my van up after work and puts everything on charge for his pocket money.
nah to be serious though should i just say its not working out financially and give him his notice or just tell him ive had enough and sack him for being useless and risk him trying to take to a tribunal for not doing the whole written warnings etc
seems you have been employing the same staff I had ;D
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glad its not just me ;D
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think lesson is dont employ kids they cant hack hard work and if they can they wan more for nothing and get there mum to call in sick lol
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jus give him a hiding lol ;D ;D ;D or pay him
a penny a pane ;D ;D ;D
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How long have you had him ? Now i'm know where near the stage if employing, but when I was in my last job I used to hire and fire and it can be tricky, but what we used to do was take them on initially on a 6 month probation period and at any point within that time if it wasn't working out I would just tell them that they had failed there probation and why. But once you get beyond that point you do have to start documenting there errors and giving them a writing copy of any warning and why there getting it.
All joking aside it is one of the hardest things I've had to do is fire someone, especialy if they are decent people that are crap at there job or continualy let you down.
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my brother in law came working for
a company i once worked for on my gang
he stood in door ways shiveringing whilst we
were working
he lasted one n alf hours ;D ;D ;D
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ive being doing my sums and i really could just do without him, drop a bit of work or sell it and i would be far better off. theres one street i do that i go do the bungalows trad while he does the house wfp and when collecting tonight i had to let her off with payment as when she showed me the bedroom windows above the con they were filthy. i think he was just to lazy to get the bigger pole out the van i guess. and by the looks of the windows they hadnt been cleaned in months
just read your reply murdie i have had him on the books from november last year
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give him an ali shuffle wham
bam yr out lol
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give him an ali shuffle wham
bam yr out lol
running over people works for me, if they try to get up just reverse ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Take them on as young as poss and mold them in to mini mes. lol
That way you get the employee you want. Only draw back is driving licence/Van insurance.
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if you can tear their fingers of mobile
phone id agree ;D ;D
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Take them on as young as poss and mold them in to mini mes. lol
That way you get the employee you want. Only draw back is driving licence/Van insurance.
i agree in a way and that was my thinking, also agree with cammy on getting the mobile out there hands ;D
ive taught hundreds of young lads in the army but teaching a halfwit from central scotland with no threat of jail or punishment is proving a wee bit harder
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stu tell em ow it is or show em
where the bus stop is full stop !!!!!!!!!!!! ;D at end of the day its yr liveihood at stake ;)
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Take them on as young as poss and mold them in to mini mes. lol
That way you get the employee you want. Only draw back is driving licence/Van insurance.
i agree in a way and that was my thinking, also agree with cammy on getting the mobile out there hands ;D
ive taught hundreds of young lads in the army but teaching a halfwit from central scotland with no threat of jail or punishment is proving a wee bit harder
arrrr I to use the carrot and stick method. My time served it worked wonders. Give them reward (don't need to be ££££) and if that don't work, WACK THEM WITH THE F.ING STICK!
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just get rid and blame it on the recession. legally u cant employ anyone for 6 months or so ( or some tosh like that) but u can get help from the huge 'self employed' sector. will he actually take you to court? as if.
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aye you are right mate i just got me going tonight when the house owner showed me the windows and when i looked at the con it was covered in webs, she wasnt bothered about that but i was, the thing is he can clean a window
but again its my lively hood i should be worried about not his
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If he is as bad as you make out then the fact that he has missed out windows on a house on more than one ocasion could be construed as "gross missconduct" and an automatic sacking. You would need to get in touch with him in writing (text or e-mail will do) giving at least 48 hours notice. The letter should state that you are inviting him to a disaplinary meeting regarding his conduct. If you have evidance of his poor work practice ie maybe a photo of these windows he's missed then I would produce these and see what he comes up with. If he's a young lad I would even allow him to have a parent or guardian present during the meeting (but only as a witness they cant talk for him). Once you've had the meeting tell him you'll be in touch by letter to determin the outcome, give it a day or so and post a letter telling him he's dismissed.
But if you want to keep it simple and you think there is no danger of him trying to take you to a tribunial then you could just miss out the meeting part and type up a letter saying that he has missed windows on a number of ocasions and that it is whoely unaceptable so you have no choice but to let him go.
Or if you do not intend to fill his position in the next 6 months tell him due to the current economic climate you have to kay him off.
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stu,if you were in the army and taught young kids i guess you were at least a junior nco,mate give him a good bollocking for the missing windows (shouting about one inch from his face as i used to get)that will either buck his ideas up or he'll walk there and then job done! :D
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Stu Mac,
just get shut - forget employment law crap.
He sounds like half the idiots ive had working for me in the past.
By the time youv'e worked it out , the idiot will more than likely have lost you work, CERTAINLY your customers will definatly be thinking it and looking for any excuse to cancel.
Get rid asap !
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Stu Mac,
just get shut - forget employment law crap.
He sounds like half the idiots ive had working for me in the past.
By the time youv'e worked it out , the idiot will more than likely have lost you work, CERTAINLY your customers will definatly be thinking it and looking for any excuse to cancel.
Get rid asap !
archer r u busy busy
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iwhen he has a nick in a blade he doesnt just change it he comes whining to me that his squeegie doesnt work.
That's Wor Lass to a 'T'! I've kindly explained that there's always plenty of spare blades and she should not make a fuss, just change it.
After I explained this about 1000 times (I always exaggerate), she sometimes even changes the blade without whining to me about it first.
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Training is a two way street
Is the trainee who can't understand or is it the trainer who can't train
Nobody comes to work to be useless, at least these people show some kind of initiative
How good are we all when a custy slags our work , do we apologise listen and learn or drop them like a ton of bricks
Man management is hard it takes a certain attitude patience and support. Just because you can tell when something needs changed not everybody knows. Have you shown how, explained the importance and showed him the benefits of looking after his equipment or have you just called him stupid lazy etc
Would you like your employee to come on here and tell us what you can and can't do???
Guys you are taught not to blame your tools well your employees are only as good as you make them too
These employees are the face of your business, invest your time in them and reap the benefits
or another way to look at it is if he or she is useless ask yourself this
WHO WAS IT WHO HIRED THEM ?
Gordon
Gordon
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Training is a two way street
Is the trainee who can't understand or is it the trainer who can't train
Nobody comes to work to be useless, at least these people show some kind of initiative
How good are we all when a custy slags our work , do we apologise listen and learn or drop them like a ton of bricks
Man management is hard it takes a certain attitude patience and support. Just because you can tell when something needs changed not everybody knows. Have you shown how, explained the importance and showed him the benefits of looking after his equipment or have you just called him stupid lazy etc
Would you like your employee to come on here and tell us what you can and can't do???
Guys you are taught not to blame your tools well your employees are only as good as you make them too
These employees are the face of your business, invest your time in them and reap the benefits
or another way to look at it is if he or she is useless ask yourself this
WHO WAS IT WHO HIRED THEM ?
Gordon
Gordon
Agree with what ytou Sya Gordon, but when you are not with them, this is when if a problem will happen it happens, because the boss aint there they think they can speed up skimp on work ect, they seem to forget we get told about this, either by way of canceling or a customer calling to say theres a problem, you can teach most people anything, if they do what you say all the time the challenge would be one, sadly many seem not to.
Ian
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Gordon i agree 100% and in hindsight i wouldnt have posted this, i did try to delete but i cant. I was really annoyed on Friday night when i posted this. i had a long chat with the lad today and he has taking the points on board i hope. In fact he even picked up a new customer today with a bit of friendly banter with a neighbour of an existing customer.
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fingers crossed u got it sorted now m8 ;D just make sure u keep on top of him m8 ;)
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fingers crossed u got it sorted now m8 ;D just make sure u keep on top of him m8 ;)
hope so mate now i am going to lock this topic till it disapears