Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: alansavvi on August 19, 2005, 07:06:16 pm
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Given that the only training courses on the market are run by Ionics/ BWCA, I thought about the possibility of starting my own training courses. When the HSE meet with representatives from our organization, who are they going to meet? Well it looks like, the Fed, BWCA and PWC. Not really representative!
Knowing that the HSE are into training, I'm sure that with only one very well protected commercial company actively training, this may cause concern.
So with this in mind, I would like you to post comments about what sort of training would benefit you. It could be the basics, using WFP, health and safety, all the way to business set up, tax issues, growing your business, sales presentations. You tell me?
I assure you, I will not gaurantee anything I cannot deliver!!!
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How much can you hide from the accountant would be a start ;D ;D
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I confess....
I still need a bit of Potty training.
It's a boy thing
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Where ya from cleaner east anglia's big area
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The thought police are coming for you, my boy 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Where ya from cleaner east anglia's big area
Hey don't crowd me man, I aint ready.
Stay cool, nowhere near you :P :P 8) 8)
Pj
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Train me how to pull supermodels.
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Need a towbar first :-\
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Good so now that the children have responded, maybe there are hundreds out there , the silent majority that would like training?
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Pride comes before a crash >:(
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Not going to lock horns with you, my friend.
Friday night let the jacks out of their boxes, sad we chose nothing better to do.
Confuse education with entertainment - (or something like that), so someone once said.
A valuable feature of any training programme is humour. Raises the endorphin in the brain, makes the electro chemical impulses more receptive to new ideas, and increases retention.
As usual with clowning - it goes too far, someone is always a target.
We don't all have the same 'savoir-faire'.
As for a useful contribution:
So far I cannot comment on Wfp as I'm not there...yet. For the rest, you say you've been in a business havily regulated which doesn't help business. So you are probably right to be anticipating tighter regulations on our work. It seems inevitable that as this business increases, and it is mushrooming, attention will focus more and more. So training workshops will also increase.
One of the main things that has appealed to me for the past nearly 20 years w/c is the freedom from legislative shackles, also it was such a relief when I started, to be out in the open, away from pressure sales, training boffins, demanding targets, just me and the next happy customer. So my starting point for your post is nostalgic.
As a popular song says "They called it Paradise, I don't know why? To call some place Paradise and kiss it all goodbye". Window cleaning business used to be so easy, that was the appeal, I know I'm wrong, but I'd like it to stay that way. If it gets too tough, I'll look for something easier..Maybe I'll become a trainer!! Yes I can teach.
You said keep off personal comments. These are my personal comments. As you may, or may not have read..I had a heart attack a couple of years back. I've now got heart disease and diabetes, no don't feel sorry for me, I'm fine, but it has been a life changing experience. I still get a little heated at times, but I keep off stress, when things start taking me down that road, I turn away. Nothing is that important.
All these sayings: 'some people live to work, others work to live' and so on.
Not to the point, or entirely a positive view of what training I want. I'm more in the category of: Hey maybe someone should be paying me 40k to train others!
Any help?
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Given that the only training courses on the market are run by Ionics/ BWCA
Wrong IOSH training courses by the Fed which is now comulsory to be a member.
I thought about the possibility of starting my own training courses.
OK so what qualified you to be instructor?
When the HSE meet with representatives from our organization,
who are they going to meet? Well it looks like, the Fed, BWCA and PWC. Not really representative!
Wrong there will be a Window Cleaning Company
Knowing that the HSE are into training, I'm sure that with only one very well protected commercial company actively training, this may cause concern.
Wrong more than one
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Hhmmmm no offers for me yet!
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well if this carries on it'll be time for the children to come out to play again!
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John
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more than one ? who`s the other ?.
the course the fed offer is nothing to do with window cleaning .
they offer health and safety training ,or ladder safety training.
c,mon explain yourself.
put up or shut up
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A window cleaning company from wales, the course has everthing to do with window cleaning, its done by the Window Cleaning Fed.
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I like the industry the way it is so you like the 6 to 10 deaths a year, I have seen at first hand what it does to a family and loved ones.
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I like the industry the way it is so you like the 6 to 10 deaths a year, I have seen at first hand what it does to a family and loved ones.
What are you on about, where did mention that i like the industry the way it is, or deaths? I posted this thread to see how others felt about progress.
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I like the industry the way it is, but this goverment does nothing better than regulate, EU come to mind.
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the only thing i could find on the fed web site was a mention about health and safety training.
you would think they would do more .
they have been around long enough
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I like the industry the way it is without needless regulation, why suggest that i like deaths, cant you understand the point i am trying to make, what have you got against new training, your new to this forum are you connected to anything that we ahve been discussing, get the feeling you have vested interests?
Again, reveal yourself!
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I am sure everyone can now make up there on minds, but that is the problems with forums a little info and your qualified to run the industry, I dont come on here to attact just inject some realism, like it or not, but I am sure you can make up your own minds. I will come back from time to time to make sure we all keep it real ;)
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John
Thanks for your wisdom, what would we do with out you?
Failed to answer the questions, only leads to suspicion!!!
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Same could be said about you & my questions?
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Answer all your questions mate, dont knock things, makes you look stupid!
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where is this other training company then i cant find it any where.
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Answer all your questions mate, dont knock things, makes you look stupid!
Well atleast he uses his real name and does not hide behind a made up one, perharps if you used your real name you might get a better responed.
Justin
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how do you know it is not his real name i wish i had a name like that
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I am for an independent but govt sponsored training body - they do it in the construction industry - if, according to churchill insurance, we are in the most dangerous of occupations, then money should be on the table to give free or subsidised training
The existing training may be good but that would only be by happy coincidence
You could maybe start something via business link or whatever you local service is called
But please do not end up like so many trainers in all industries who think that they just have to charm a room full of hopeful people and then ask them to split up into groups of four and do a flip chart...arrrggghhh!
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I would like some scrim training ;D ;D.
Seriously , if some one would have offered training when i first started i would have gone on the course like a shot.
I could do with some wfp training .And see if i could learn any more shortcuts with the squeegie even though i am good .
I still am amazed when i think of something quicker and think why did i not think of that before .
Even after 7+ years i am still learning.
so if there was any other courses i would seriously consider them.
I may also go on the remaining courses at the bwca ,but i think i may not be welcome .
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i have mostly been drinking john smiths
not that gin stuff it makes me cry
its all right for cats though its a proper girl thingy`s drink
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i didnt right that mr moderater , what is another name for a cat .
now you are getting a bit harsh
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Well I would like to address you with your real name instead of the fake name you hide behind. If you was serious then you would use your real name and maybe get a serious answers/debate.
Also best to get the facts right before you accuse people of stuff they dont do ie Phil Hanson does not run/own this forum. Also I Dont think its a good idea calling Ironic system owners Sheep either.
Many Thanks
Justin
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Justin
you are obviuosly new to this, new to window cleaning? Or are you connected with the establishment in any way?
Just to keep you happy, my name is Bob.
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I am back to keep it real ;)
Firstly never did get a answers to my questions, so have enclosed below, kettle and black spring to mind with regards to sheep clothing with you behind fake name, it would all so seem that you don’t know the first thing about this forum run by Philip Hanson?, yes you are so well informed about are industry and it would seem many of your relpys on here to your post, don’t take you serious
Fantastic response so far! How can you keep them away? !!!
I confess....
I still need a bit of Potty training.
It's a boy thing
The thought police are coming for you, my boy 8) 8) 8) 8)
Train me how to pull supermodels.
Pride comes before a crash >:(
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Given that the only training courses on the market are run by Ionics/ BWCAWrong
IOSH training courses by the Fed which is now comulsory to be a member.
I thought about the possibility of starting my own training courses.
OK so what qualified you to be instructor?
When the HSE meet with representatives from our organization,
who are they going to meet? Well it looks like, the Fed, BWCA and PWC. Not really representative!
Wrong there will be a Window Cleaning Company
Knowing that the HSE are into training, I'm sure that with only one very well protected commercial company actively training, this may cause concern.
Wrong more than one
Joh Conroy (my real name ;))
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Not new I just know the facts, which seams to me and others you dont.
Good Luck in you New Venture looks like you have loads of people crying out for the training by reading this thread.
Justin
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Wrong IOSH training courses by the Fed which is now comulsory to be a member
Since when??????
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NOW, think you better give them a ring (Just Keeping it real) ;)
John Conroy (real name) ;)
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NOW, think you better give them a ring (Just Keeping it real)
Wrong
Have application for renewal in front of Me and all they want to know is who are my insurers for public liability...
Black and white is real to me.....
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http://www.nfmwgc.com/documents/Application_July05.pdf
Fed application form is this real enough...
no mention of IOSH course as a condition to join
it states section (2) page 2 in very small print that one must be attended within 12 months of joining.
Do they push this point ???
first I,ve seen of it...
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thewindowcleaner1 has at least attached a link to back up his post.
this thread has proved unpleasant reading, it isn't so much a debate as an arguement.
If you are going to make claims, offer proof, add links such as thewindowcleaner1 added to his own reply, this will at least substantiate-or at least go some way to doing so-the thrust of your reply.
If you are going to continue this debate the please start to back up your claims or the thread will be locked.
Ian
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JUST KEEPING IT REAL ;)
(http://img363.i.us/img363/9262/scan4rz.jpg)
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this thread has proved unpleasant reading
I must agree,
I personally would like to see more training in more area,s relating to window cleaning all aspects,from starting up to H&S, if it's run or sponsored by a company so what as long as it delivers lets face it large company sponsorships keep cost down.
Alan
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http://domaincheck.co.uk/checker/whois.php?domainname=cleanitup&subdomain=1
Belongs to….
http://www.express-cleaning-supplies.co.uk/aboutus.html
Which is Owned by…
http://domaincheck.co.uk/checker/whois.php?domainname=express-cleaning-supplies&subdomain=1
Which belongs to Mike Boxall alot of people will tell you this as well. No where do I see Phil Hansons name.
As for Express Cleaning Selling Ironics systems I see one item, but they are starting to sell Ominpole’s Stuff soon.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10139.0
Phil Hanson Does own PWC, thou it does not have his name there but a lot of people will back me up on this.
http://domaincheck.co.uk/checker/whois.php?domainname=professionalwindowcleaner&subdomain=1
As for Ironic Systems owners being Sheep I cant prove that.
That’s the Facts, your turn Mr Soda.
Justin
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WOW :D best read had in month's and the post's are not personal, as long as we keep to the facts, then there is lot be learn from topic's like this (being a long standing member)
Andy
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I have not attacked it once, All i have done is prove facts with backup. Why dont you answer the questions put to you?
Also I dont have any vested interest in BWCA or anyother training company, but plesae prove this with FACT if you think I have.
Me I dont care if you do it or not, I just started stating FACTS and asking you to use your real name instead of hiding behind a fake one.
All the best and I am not going to responed again to this post, but I wish you luck.
Justin
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case dismissed your honour
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I thought about the possibility of starting my own training courses.
That would be good, you got the money, time and qualified, if so I would come on your courses, with you being a window cleaner :)
Andy
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Thank you andy!
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thanks ok, whats your plans for your training centre, what accredittion will the centre have and how will be the internal verifier and what will be his qualifications
Andy
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give the guy a break ,he will probably cross that bridge when he gets to it.
the question is what training would you like to see.
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Like you said Case Dismissed your Honour
So easy to sit and type...I thought about the possibility of starting my own training courses.
Good luck if he does get it off the ground, if he does I will make a promise here and now will be the first one on his courses :)
Andy
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the qualifacation you may need is no big one either, one school years one night a week.
you dont need that with some colleges.
you have to lay out a bit of money to sort out the accreditation, but that would soon be returned
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How does using my real name add or take away from what could be a serious debate?
Think about this all who read this thread, wouldnt you like a say in how this industry is lead, or will you leave it to a cosy little elite group of "you scratch my back, I will scratch yours" gang?
I cannot belive ive missed this thread ;)
Mr Soda, you are a star, and i mean that, the above bold line says it all
Dont knock the "GANG" though, they will all be out to get you, you will even have abusive e.mails from a certain drunk :)
oh and the name thing is handy, they can then say "johns a good window cleaner, he says he is"
Oh to be a "pro"
they are so cool <swoon> alot like "T Birds" from Grease
Oh they allso make me laugh so much it hurts sometimes, you know's it, your a pro ::)
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a good debate never goes away
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Heh heh this thread is rather amusing I must say Mr Caustic Soda.
The training that I think we need is a specific window cleaning abseiling qualification. At present, window cleaners have litle choice but to go for IRATA as its pretty much the only one that's widely recognized. And, though it is very good and well respected, it is primarily designed for those involved in the off-shore industry, and many window cleaners say its too in-depth for what they need.
Rope-access is becomming more important in window cleaning, especially as buildings in our towns and cities become taller. I think a specific rope-access window cleaning course would be great, but it would have to have the proper recognition (and of course conform to the new British Standard for rope access) if it were to be of any use.
-Philip
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I must clear up one thing though, since you mentioned me by name, I don't run this forum or have anything to do with it other than being a humble member like your good self. I used to be a moderator here, but ah... well thats all in the past. Tosh and Ian have taken up that mantle now, and they're doin fine.
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thats c**p that is ;D